Most shocking Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs (according to CNN.com)

where do coaches fit into this amazing analogy

Think this was a conscious choice on BOC's part

It may have been. I'm reminded of the way Muddy Waters was recorded by Chess in the late '40s. His live show was undoubtedly much louder, more raucous and more rockin' than what got recorded, because Chess didn't let him use his live band and insisted on him playing acoustic tracks without drums, because that's what they thought would sell. It may have worked at the time, but now when you listen back to that era, you wish you could hear what his live band sounded like instead.

New York Dolls... were doing some of the same things as Alice Cooper but a trillion times better.

Emphasis on "some of." (Also, I love the Dolls, but no they weren't.)

haha i just punkd myself

btw jon lewis is bringing some street prog GG knowledge

Let me apologize to Jon Lewis--I used to own Gentle Giant's double-live, and yes, they had some catchy songs. There was one I really liked--"Playing the Fool"? Anyway, they've just become kind of a quick and easy punchline for me over the years; if it's the '80s, I use Doctor & the Medics, the '60s Freddie & the Dreamers. But you're right.

seriously though, next time you listen to the dolls keep that "minute too long" thing i said, a friend told me that and i've never been able to ignore it, like the tracks are just too long

xpost I usually use Triumvirat for this purpose.

Gorge breaks it down:

Rick Moody defends Gentle Giant

With all this talk about prog and epics maybe it's time there was a GENTLE GIANT ALBUMS POLL

Emphasis on "some of." (Also, I love the Dolls, but no they weren't.)

Um, yes they were. (Wow, that was easy.)

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/alicecooper-golf.jpg
can't we all just get along?

Jesus, Rodney's aged.

is there a good johanson pic in the "show me pictures of men that look like old lesbians thread"?

ugh what the hell is going on in here

Heh that Rick Moody Defends GG thread is pretty nice. And the Sherman Hemsley payoff is super whoa! Thanks for linking it xhuxk.

gentle giant ruled, and alice cooper stomps on the dolls in pretty much every category

plus as woeful as some late period alice is, if you contrast it against the output of buster poindexter i am pretty sure where the points are going to fall

We've found a point of agreement, Bigalow; next to David J., Alice practically looks like GQ fodder these days.

"alice cooper stomps on the dolls in pretty much every category"

So true. The Dolls weren't Sandy Koufax, they were Bo Belinsky.

watching phish play genesis' "watcher in the skies" to an audience of iggy pop and meryl streep was certainly a WTF moment. no-one appeared to be having a good time.

I like the Bo Belinsky connection--he was married to Mamie Van Doren, and no one captures the spirit of the Dolls better than Mamie Van Doren--but I must issue forth with a very resigned sigh and vacate this madhouse for a while.

Before you go, Clemenza, one thing: leave the gun, take the cannoli.

xp But at least one musical artist was more Mamie Van Doren-like than the Dolls:

http://www.discogs.com/Mamie-Van-Doren-State-Of-Turmoil/release/1225710

Mostly German Old Used 45s That Metal Mike Saunders Mailed To Me

Bill--te salute!

I prefer the dolls but c'mon ppl if there's one thing every rock nerd learns young it's "don't even start with ppl who are really into alice cooper" -- it's like asking your dad what he thinks about the president: you really wanna spend the rest of the evening hearing the answer?

I didn't put you through college to sit here and listen to this bullshit!

M@tt I could kiss you for making me lol so hard

remove the lol from that sentence and we're talkin.

why don't you come over here and remove it yourself big boy

let's not turn this into a Rush thread guys

I thought J0hn and matt were quoting KISS lyrics again.

just sounds like two bros enjoying Rush together to me.

Just think: a man might have kissed me in high school had I spent more time with Signals.

Resurrected!
Clearly a lot of people here love Alice Cooper to death (to coin a phrase). In the wake of Alex Chilton’s passing, I’ve actually been feeling somewhat guilty today: “Geez, if Alice Cooper goes anytime soon, I’m going to be the most hated guy on this board. Maybe I better back up and do some more ‘splainin’.” So, go back to my first post on this thread: “I guess you could make a case for Kiss and/or Alice Cooper...though I wouldn't make it myself.” I basically went through the same thing with Andre Dawson on the I Love Baseball board. It’s another way of saying that when and if Alice Cooper goes in, I’ll be okay with that. I wouldn’t put him in myself, but fine.
Whatever HOF you’re talking about, you can approach from it from the lowest-common-denominator angle, from the inner-circle angle, or from the great gray area between. The lowest-common-denominator angle says that since my guy’s better than the worst guy already in there--Billy Joel for me, somebody else for you--keeping my guy out is a grave injustice. And if that’s your guiding principle, Alice Cooper clearly belongs; he’s more qualified than a number of people already in there. But if you subscribe to the inner-circle theory, that only the very greatest belong in any HOF, even if that means that some years nobody goes in (not just a hypothetical; I know someone who holds rigidly to that theory with regards to the baseball HOF; he’d probably deny entrance to Tom Glavine), then I can’t see that Alice Cooper belongs. Which was basically my point in saying that he wasn’t at the level of Bob Dylan or the Rolling Stones. I had no idea that saying Alice Cooper didn’t measure up to Bob Dylan would cause such consternation.
In between the one extreme and the other, you can argue.
I have (hopefully) one last question for xhuxk. You suggest that moving on from Husker Du and the Replacements was perfectly normal--wider context, expanding horizons, etc.--but thought it was odd (“sad” even; scuzzy-sad or tragic-sad, you don’t specify) that I’d moved on from Alice Cooper. Help me out here. You were in you mid-20s, I was 12; it seems to me that, in the normal course of events, one’s horizons and contexts are more libel to get widened and expanded at 12 than at 25. I’m not saying that’s a hard-and-fast rule, and obviously one's horizons should always be expanding. I just come up against a disconnect there. (Don’t mean to harp on this, but I’ve often written about how, when it comes to music, the 12-year-old me is a bigger part of the 48-year-old me than any other me ever. So you pushed a button there.)

Guess you can't paragraph on here...Meant to say that I approach HOFs from the gray area in between. But between the lowest-common-denominator theory and the inner-circle theory, I definitely tilt inner-circle.

Hey Clemenza -- I think the sadness I mentioned is directly connected to what you're talking about; i.e., seems to me people seem to to talk way more often about "outgrowing" the sort of music they liked when they were 12 (i.e., to deny themselves the pleasure of it later in life) than they talk about outgrowing music they liked when they were 25. In a way, in fact, "music 12 year olds like" is almost its own genre; has been for several decades now, certainly longer than "music 25 year olds like." Which may be why I read what I read into your explanation of giving up Alice. (And, in fact, you didn't actually deny later that you'd outgrown his music, agewise; you even acknowledged that that might be a possibility. Which is fine. But it'd still be sad.)

wow, Depeche Mode; The Cure; Hall and Oates; ELO; T-Rex.

lotta good choices (i'd say journey, too, but i realize that's a CRAZY choice).

It just hit me: Momus is eligible, y'all.

Still a disconnect. We're arguing from the same starting point here: we both think (at least I do; I think you do too) that what you love as a 12-year-old means a lot. So if Al Green and Badfinger, Todd Rundgren and "You Wear It Well," the Carpenters and the Spinners and "Anticipation" make me swoon even more today than they did then--and they meant a lot to me then--then I just don't see the fact that, for me, Alice Cooper turned out to be a casualty of that era as being particularly sad. I mean, not everybody's going to survive, right? "Daddy, Don't You Walk So Fast" didn't make the cut either, and I think I liked that at the time, too. And I definitely don't see that leaving behind Husker Du or the Replacements is any less sad, being a big Husker Du and Replacements fan.

It just hit me: Momus is eligible, y'all.

i'd vote for him before i'd vote for billy joel.

Al Green and Badfinger, Todd Rundgren and "You Wear It Well," the Carpenters and the Spinners and "Anticipation" make me swoon even more today than they did then

C'mon, this is getting tired. You didn't point this out til now; how would I know? (Though, duh, I think I've finally figured out who you are.) And when you first talked about leaving behind Alice at 12, and I asked you whether you thought you'd outgrown him just because you got older (and then you said that maybe you had), I'm pretty sure you hadn't mentioned any other music you liked then. But fine -- I get it now.

Surprised it took you so long. (To figure out who I am, not to get it.)

Well, who the hell are you, Vincent Furnier?

Clue: I mentioned him by name earlier on the thread, not knowing he was actually here.

Surprised it took you so long

Blame all this cheap SXSW beer.

So is Clemenza Neil or Bob? ;)

clemenza is actually Alice Cooper

― smoking cigarette shades? it doesn't even make any sense. (HI DERE), Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:56 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark

And he's outgrown himself. Larvae style.

clemenza is either rick moody or gorge?

As much fun as it is being the center of speculation, don't waste your curiosity--finding out who I am would elicit a resounding "Who?" It's between the brothers, Kay--xhuxk and I go way back, and we were just sparring a little.

I've figured it out - or at least I've found a writer mentioned on this thread who likes baseball and Neil Young.

loved the ice storm btw : )

Come over here, kid, learn something. You never know, you might have to explain why you don't like Alice Cooper to 20 guys someday.