Diana Ross. What's that all about then?

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I mean, I just don't get the appeal. Her voice isn't that good, the solo stuff seems to veer between irredemably mawkish, sentimental retreads and just plain dull. The only decent thing she's ever done is the ChiC album and even that was remixed to the point of blandness. That penalty miss in 94 is unforgivable too.

Kris England, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What about The Supremes you crazy man? I never cared for her solo ouput much with the exception of 'Upside Down' and possibly ii@m Coming Out' but The Supremes were generally fine and dandy

, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw, some of the Supremes stuff is great, that no man can deny, but what that has to do with Ross apart from her average vocals gracing it is open to serious question. Besides, the best Supremes stuff is the late 60's stuff, just after she left.

Even Sonya would have been worth a greatest hits album if she's have signed to Motown in 1964.

Kris England, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ooh maybe so, but i did highlight two good Ross solo tracks already. I guess they're the Chic produced ones tho so we're probably in agreement that everything else she did was weak, making her no better than Lionel Richie perhaps...except he never got pulled up at customs for carrying hemp

, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe that was part of her grand plan to emulate his "Dancin on the ceiling" feats of the early 80's.

Kris England, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ARGGGH. Mention not that foul slice of horror.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait, Diana Ross or "Dancing On The Ceiling"? Because either could apply.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
http://www.bash.org/?210766

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 28 December 2004 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know what head trauma one has to have endured in order to deem Ms. Ross's voice "average". One of my all-time favorite voices. I could listen to her coo the tax codes and go weak in the knees.

craggy jones, Tuesday, 28 December 2004 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link

It's not primarily about her, though I think she has a good voice; it's about the songs, the recordings, maybe the Supremes.

LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Do you think nothing here is any good? I don't agree.

LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, her voice is better than passable, all that's really needed in certain production contexts. i mean, ronnie spector??

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyone remember that single "Muscles" from the early 80s?!?!? That wasn't too bad!!!

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 09:46 (fourteen years ago) link

in addition to the stuff on the Chic-produced album, there's:

'Love Hangover' (godlike)
'I'm Still Waiting' (expert mawkishness, especially the 'i've got the groove' chorus)
'Ain't No Mountain High Enough' (which puts to bed the lie that she can't sing)
'Chain Reaction' (Bee Gees = Motown = genius; the last chorus, where it zips up an octave (what's the technical word for this?) is just ecstatic)

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 10:07 (fourteen years ago) link

that should be Bee Gees + Motown = genius (even though it probably wasn't released on motown, but its pretty clear that Chain Reaction is the Bee Gees apeing that classic supremes sound, and despite the dated production and the syndrums, it still sounds lush and electrifying to me)

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Heresy, perhaps, but Supremes: C/D? I say D. Love, love, LOVE Diana, though...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link

> where it zips up an octave (what's the technical word for this?)

Modulation?

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

octavization! if that's not a word, it is now.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link

"I'm Coming Up" and "Upside Down" from the Diana album from 1980 are classic.. that was a good band lineup. Aside from Supremes, never really gotten won over by too much else by her immense discography.

donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

six years pass...

I mean, I just don't get the appeal.

i'm not a fan of the supremes, but at least a handful of diana ross' solo songs are truly perfect:

  • theme from mahogany (do you know where you're going to)
  • touch me in the morning
  • love hangover (obv., the long version)

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 9 January 2011 18:56 (eight years ago) link

I think that her first solo album might be one of the best things to come out on the Motown label, there isn't a bad cut on there. I think The Boss might be my other favourite from her, other than that, it's pretty hit and miss. Some tracks off the 1976 album self titled are nice, a couple off Surrender(1971) are great - (I Can't Give Back the Love I Feel for You,Didn't You Know You'd Have to Cry Some Time and I'll Settle for You). Really like the first two tracks from Baby It's Me (1976.

Voice is smooth like butter.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Sunday, 9 January 2011 19:42 (eight years ago) link

I think I can agree with some of what's been said on the thread here, in that she doesn't really have all that much of a voice, but the materal given to her by Holland/Dozier/Holland was so classic anyone could make a great single out of it. Also for her solo stuff she has been very dependent on the quality of the material given to her to sing - the Chic organization stuff was obviously great, and I really liked the two Michael Jackson penned singles she did in the 80s as well.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:21 (eight years ago) link

really? she hits some notes on touch me in the morning, and does it with grace and power, and so much sorrow in her voice.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:23 (eight years ago) link

. . . like, some high and sustained notes, i mean.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 9 January 2011 22:24 (eight years ago) link

Yep, OK, she can sing, but she's not extraordinary the way a lot of soul singers from that era were.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:30 (eight years ago) link

On the other hand, this is extraordinary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJDjLsmKGM

Dans la Bot (seandalai), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:26 (eight years ago) link

Oh, I very much DO think she is an extraordinary singer! The Supremes were not one of the biggest acts of the twentieth century primarily because they had great songwriters!

timellison, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:29 (eight years ago) link

I'd rate a dozen girl groups over the Supremes, and I'd rate at least a dozen female soul artists over Diana Ross, but each incarnation has a couple of all-time classics.

Dans la Bot (seandalai), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:45 (eight years ago) link

Love this one, co-written and produced by Daryl Hall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8w7CCq036o

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:22 (eight years ago) link

Let's also not forget that Diana Ross oozes "superstar" once she enters the stage. Few singers have more of that very obvious temptation that she does, and that is also something that plays an important part in having made here, exactly, a superstar.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:29 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvW18DDkFrU

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Monday, 10 January 2011 13:07 (eight years ago) link

Besides, the best Supremes stuff is the late 60's stuff, just after she left.

I own a "Supreme's Greatest Hits" which was contemporaneous for the lineup at the time, ie no Diana on it. It's great.

Mark G, Monday, 10 January 2011 13:12 (eight years ago) link

Isn't Supremes without Diana Ross early 70s rather than late 60s though?

Not like I would consider it their best, but among their post-Holland/Dozier/Holland output, songs like "Up The Ladder To The Roof", "Floy Joy" and "Nathan Jones" are in no way inferior to the Diana Ross-led material they released after they parted with Holland/Dozier/Holland.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 10 January 2011 15:38 (eight years ago) link

Not like I would consider it their best

I would, but then that's just me.

Mark G, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:40 (eight years ago) link

someone needs to do a "hauntology" reworking of ross' singles, pronto.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 10 January 2011 15:44 (eight years ago) link

four years pass...

Really, really enjoying Ross eighties work, some excellent dance singles like "Swept Away" (with Daryl Hall) and "Eaten Alive" (with Michael Jackson!). Some good funky post-disco noir that makes excellent use of her instrument. She worked with Barry Gibb, too - another dance genius.

http://thefunkshow.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=231:cd-of-the-month-diana-ross-six-times-a-diva-&catid=42:cd-of-the-month&Itemid=57

Her records were always strong on atmosphere.

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Monday, 16 March 2015 17:17 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9EkvjLI9a4

calstars, Friday, 27 January 2017 03:13 (two years ago) link

she is one of the great artists of her time and there is a giant truckload of rong on this thread, what the hell. every track on the Boss went to #1 on the dance charts. every one of them. hugely important figure to dance culture imo, timeless classics throughout her career.

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 27 January 2017 03:19 (two years ago) link

Yeah and her voice is pretty important in the Supremes. She might not be among the greatest singers of all times (clearly) but she as her own personality and her voice has something very different from other soul/rnb singers. It's very metallic and sharp. Not sweet or powerful, for instance.
Anyway, the idea that anyone could have made these fantastic songs as great seems quite wrong to me.
For her stuff with the Supremes alone, totally classic.
Then the Boss album and some other late 70s/80s tracks are also great.
and I'm not even particularly a fan of hers !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 27 January 2017 10:12 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

any love for the (rehabilitated by vaporwave) cool glide of "it's your move" from swept away?

brimstead, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 02:22 (two years ago) link

ah yes! do you prefer D's version or V's?

calstars, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 02:38 (two years ago) link

IT DOESN'T MATTER
NO IT DOESN'T MATTER

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 02:51 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

WTF at the premise for this thread?

Her vocals on "Someday We'll be Together" are masterfully tender. "Say it, say it, say it, say it again"

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Friday, 8 November 2019 17:06 (four days ago) link

ya lol @ avg vocals comments

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 8 November 2019 17:11 (four days ago) link


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