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I downloaded Der Testament des Dr Mabuse a couple of days ago and haven't stopped playing it since. Is everything else they did this ace? Or was it a one off?

RickyT, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Almost everything from 1984-1985 is. And no it wasn't.

Tom, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

If you got it off FilePile I've just put something else up there, btw.

Tom, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link


RickyT, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: "Duel". I just downloaded this Friday because I wanted to know if the whole song was as great as the chorus. (It is.) Must find more.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Not sure about Tom's time restrictions, I liked every single millisecond they recorded, and search out some Act too while you are at it.

Does anyone else thing that all the best bits of the band Garbage are like Propoganda? (kinda depending on your opinion on the amount of 'best bits' of Garbage obv.)

Alexander Blair, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Just released on July 15th a new Propaganda remixes compilation album: Propaganda - Outside World

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dream Within A Dream is my favourite but the whole of A Secret Wish is great.

jamesmichaelward, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Alexander, are you counting that horrid 1 2 3 4 album they did with half the band replaced by newbies? I loved both A Secret Wish and Wishful Thinking, but 1 2 3 4 made me cry, it was so mediocre.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, erm, no I wasn't - that was rubbish wasn't it? I was kinda more defending the Claudia Bruken. I'll say it again, both Act albums are great (though I don't have the US version with the extra tracks dang!)

I remember mostly about 1234 was I bought it on cassette for a long car drive I was about to make. And I hardly ever bought pre- recorded cassettes too. I didn't listen to it until I set off and well, it was rubbish. What is Derek Forbes up to now?

Alexander Blair, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

In 10th grade or so, I listened to _A Secret Wish_ every single day for months. Also, the "beta" mix of p:Machinery (with that roaring guitar fading in and out of the mix) is a miraculous thing. Played something from _Wishful Thinking_, maybe "Laughed," at a club where I was DJing a few months ago and it lit the place up.

I secretly like "Heaven Give Me Words," but wouldn't recommend _1 2 3 4_ to anyone with a straight face.

Douglas, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Everything on ZTT (ie A Secret Wish, the remix album and the various singles and remixes with Claudia Brucken singing) is worth checking out, although I'd only recommend the remix album to diehards. Yes, I'll admit to liking Heaven Give Me Words and a couple more tracks on 1 2 3 4 (recorded, by the way, with the former Simple Minds rhythm section that played with them live) but no, I wouldn't recommend it either. Neither would I Brucken solo. Apparently they've reformed and have been trying for a few years to get an album out.

BTW, I saw them live back in the Fall of 1985 here in Portugal. Not very good; live drums, live bass and lots of keyboards and pre-programmed stuff, it all sounded a bit cheesy and very similar to the album.

Jorge Mourinha, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

[update: the Propaganda reformation did not work out in the studio - unfortunately there will be no new Propaganda material. Source: Side- Line website earlier this year.]

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What everyone said really - A Secret Wish is one of the ten best records ever made. Some gigantic, beautiful moments which almost rival the best bits of ABC and The Human League.

The moment in P-Machinery where all the synths fizz out into the distance and Claudia holds the silence for maybe 0.3 of a second longer than in previous verses, before coming in with a breathy 'Installed By The Machine' gets me every time. The way that her voice comes up close and quiet, right in your ear for 'Hunting for a bygone picture' (The Chase)..., the whole of Duel...,the best keyboard sounds ever... oh God - genius!

Why does it hurt when my heart misses a beat?

Dr. C, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I went out and bought Outside World and A Secret Wish last night and they're bloody brilliant. I can't believe they aren't better known.

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

but ricky t, you were only 9? in 1985, so it's not your fault for not experiencing Propaganda at the time - they had a few chart hits!

Propaganda had quite a lot of radio support from the likes of Gary Davies, Peter Powell and Annie Nightingale on radio 1.

DJ Martian, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
from my weblog, Great news concerning yet another attempt of getting a new Propaganda album !

Propaganda and Claudia Bracken: Both Back in the Studio !

Lexicon Magazine report:

Propaganda's original members Ralf Dörper, Michael Mertens and Suzanne Freytag are currently working on a new Propaganda record, the other original vocalist Cladia Brucken is concurrently at work on a solo album which reportedly includes her version of Kate Bush's "Running Up That Hill".

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 8 December 2002 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Martian, tracks from those earier aborted Propaganda sessions showed up on file sharing sites last spring or summer. Indeed, they did not work out.

Curt (cgould), Sunday, 8 December 2002 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

This news to me reads that Cladia is not involved - with the other 3 trying yet another new attempt of getting a new Propaganda album?

Yeah, I knew that the tried to reform within the past 2 years but things did not work out.

[Prehaps my heading was confusing they are back in the studio working but separately !]

[the Lexicon news was updated this week !]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 8 December 2002 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
Revive, because I wonder if the newish Claudia Brucken and Andrew Poppy album is any good ( How could it not be good, given the covers of "Running up that hill" and "Libertango"?

brittle-lemon, Monday, 11 July 2005 01:26 (fifteen years ago) link

todd burns (toddburns), Monday, 11 July 2005 05:19 (fifteen years ago) link

but .. make sure you have some spare cash leftover so you can get the 3cd boxset of Poppy's ZTT material.

mark e (mark e), Monday, 11 July 2005 08:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes, do.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 11 July 2005 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
"dr. mabuse" rules!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:36 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Have just read on another web site that Suzanne Freytag is dead- is this true? It was on the deviantART site; a French guy who contributes fractal / vorticist artwork to the site, is inspired by 'A Secret Wish' for much of his creativity, and mentioned that she'd died. If true, it must be pretty recent, she was still around in November '05. What a terrible loss.
Can anyone elighten me re. the origins of the quote that appears above the listing for Jewel / Duel on the album sleeve- is it Roland Barthes, Walter Benjamin, or Moretti? Sounds like it might be from Barthes, though I'm not sure....

Owen Morgan, Friday, 21 April 2006 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Well that sure is sad if it's true. I'm gonna have a look at the ZTT discog in a sec here. I wonder what Andrew Poppy sounds like...

Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

The Quietus on the two disc reissue of A Secret Wish

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 12 August 2010 19:13 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

not sure if it was linked on another related thread but terrific reading

Dear Projectionist (blueski), Friday, 8 July 2011 12:38 (nine years ago) link

surely tis time to reissue a remastered edition of the remix album

mark e, Friday, 8 July 2011 14:44 (nine years ago) link

Great link, blueski. Thanks!

Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 8 July 2011 15:26 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, good interview. Cheers. Now I'm listening to Wishful Thinking.

everything, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:30 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Sad news -- ZTT has announced Andreas Thein has passed on.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 May 2013 16:19 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Almost everything from 1984-1985 is. And no it wasn't.
― Tom, Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:00 AM (13 years ago)

i have 10 versions of mabuse (at least), and i still could listen to more ..

mark e, Thursday, 22 October 2015 00:07 (four years ago) link

I recently picked up the expanded anniversary editions of "Secret Wish" and "Wishful Thinking". Love the extra stuff, on the fence about the "Noise & Girls" comp though.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 22 October 2015 04:08 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Photos on their official Facebook page show Brücken, Freytag and Dörper in the studio together, presumably working on new Propaganda product.

schlep and back trio (anagram), Monday, 15 February 2016 08:36 (four years ago) link

No Horn (or Lipson), No Justice.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 20:28 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

first show in London is sold out, another was announced this week. wonder if they'll tour.

piscesx, Friday, 22 December 2017 22:50 (two years ago) link

Claudia and Susanne and your granny on bongos.

everything, Saturday, 23 December 2017 00:55 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...


Andy K, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:19 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

About to be knocked out of Tom's poll by ROXETTE

Division 3 Group 6: Got no cure for misery

The Primitives!
Swing Out Sister!

— Tom Ewing (@tomewing) May 10, 2020

Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:02 (two months ago) link

I voted Swing Out Sister and instantly regretted it when I saw the standings

DJP, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:07 (two months ago) link

Little tip: put your phone into airplane mode and click on any of the options to see the current standings without actually voting.

Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:12 (two months ago) link


DJP, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:25 (two months ago) link

Roxette crisis averted - thanks all

Alba, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:29 (two months ago) link

haha I was just posting this

DJP, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:29 (two months ago) link

brutal brutal poll (quite fond of Joyride now along with a lot of other rapidly disappearing off the horizon pop of that time I didn't initially much care for)

while we're here I noticed this compilation on Spotify from 2014 of ZTT tracks seemingly reworked by Blank & Jones of all people possibly using masters of the originals. 12 minute edit of 'Duel' because there weren't already enough mixes - longest one to date? the 'Do Well' EP(?) from 1985 has in turn appeared on there too

but the 'Noise And Girls...' deluxe compilation from a few years back has been taken off >:[

nashwan, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:49 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

New-ish record by Claudia Brucken/Jerome Froese (Edgar's son) isn't bad on first listen. Her voice is always welcome in my house.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:12 (one week ago) link

(by "new-ish" I, of course, mean 2018)

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:19 (one week ago) link

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