should i give the grateful dead a chance?

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is there more to them than 'dark' and 'truckin''? i was playing a television record and my dorm room mate said the english always compared them to the dead and that lee renaldo of sonic youth likes the dead as well as greg ginn of black flag. why are the dead so uncool? what should i try to listen to? (i know i don't like deadheads very much. tie-dye is as ugly as doing lsd in the mud). do my parents know something i don't?

(note, i've only been getting into music the past year. before that i just heard whatever on the radio and usually didnt like it. that should explain why i sound so dumb).

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Short answer: NO.

Do not give the Grateful Dead a chance. I have given the Grateful Dead several chances, and they continue to bore me solid. Friends say "Oh, you're into 60s garage, listen to their first album..." nope, sorry, it's still uninspired hippie stoner jams. Friends say "Oh, you like spacerock, listen to this or that experimental jam album..." nope, sorry, it's still uninspired hippie stoner jam drivel. Friends say "Oh, you have to listen to it on acid to get it." I listened to it on acid. It only stretched the INTERMINABLE boredom to the breaking point where it was a relief to sit and listen to radio static afterwards.

I think that Deadheadism is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. If you have it, you will like them. If you do not have it, then no ammount of "Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out-take from 1973..." in the world will ever convince you to find even a modicum of interest.

I know that calling a band "boring" is verboten on this forum. The Dead are not just boring, they are interminable, self indulgent, they noodle, they wibble, they do not drone in a transcendant manner, no they ANNIHILATE any sense of enjoyment of music to the point where I would rather listen to elevator music rather than the Dead. In fact, that is what they are. They are the elevator music of hippie stoner jam psychedelia.

Do not waste your time. Sing along with the hoover instead.

kate, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'IS there more than [I assume you mean] 'Dark Star'? WTF? That's like saying "IS there more to the Sistine Chapel than the motherfucking ceiling?" Like, what else do you need in your life? (Besides 'BLues for Allah'!) Also, what's wrong with 'annihilating enjoyment'? Music is supposed to annihilate stuff, doesn't matter what it is.

dave q, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

As so often Kate is OTM. I bought "Live/Dead" a while ago as it appears on almost any milestone album list and it is rubbish. Aimless noodling. Only if you like epic guitar masturbation jams GD are yor you. I never understood how Lee Ranaldo could like them. But I have the feeling that "Murray Street" is the closest Sonic Youth have ever come to the sound of the Dead. It nevertheless is a million times better than anything I have ever heard of Garcia and his lot.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Just say no.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Q: What do Grateful Dead fans say when they run out of drugs?

A: God this band are shit.

(Keith Richards tells that gag - which is a bit rich considering that 'Can You Hear Me Knocking' sounds just like the Dead...)

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

American Beauty and Workingman's Dead are both snappy acoustic albums full of fine songs rather than rambling instrumental stuff.

I think they're worth checking out rather than applying some knee jerk reaction. But obviously lots of people don't agree.

Winkelmann, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

rather than applying some knee jerk reaction

Did you even read my fucking post? This is not some knee jerk reaction. This is a carefully thought out aesthetic decision that I have reached after repeated exposure and more consideration that I would give to most bands who repeatedly bombarded me with shit.

kate, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh why bother converting anybody - they're either 'on the bus or off!'

dave q, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard 10 seconds of American Beauty and about a minute of Workingman's Dead and I can can safely say that they will not be troubling my ears again, unless by accident. Don't do it, Benton.

Everything about the Grateful Dead is repulsive - the music (yes I *can* judge them on a minute or so), the fans, the mythology.... They're a crystallisation of everything I dislike in music.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're looking to give a chance to a band, give it to an unknown band, not a bloated band.

Dave225, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DIRTY HIPPY!

Chris, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm drawn back to this thread like a moth to a flame, just like I'm always drawn back to the Dead against my better judgment...

The thing is, I love the IDEA of the Dead - the endless noodling jams, those moments of improvisation when they reach the mythical 'zone', the community of fans, all those bootlegs to tick off and collect, the Verlaine-esque sound of Garcia's gtr, the vast quantities of drugs etc etc.

But - their recs just never seem to live up to the rep - before I ever listened to them, I imagined they were like the most mega-cosmic freak out group of all time, but when I finally did spin a few of their albs all I got was wimpy country-lite w/ really terrible singing. They rarely seem to rock out in any meaningful way, their cover versions are just AWFUL (esp. the 'bluesy' Pigpen-led stuff) and Hunter's lyrics are hippy bilge.

Without wishing to sound too alt snooty, Ghost and esp. Acid Mothers Temple do the whole folk-psych rock jam thing w/ so much more passion, imagination and freaky fun.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Where do you hide your money from a Deadhead?
Under the soap...

How can you tell a Deadhead has been at your house?
They're still there!

Spongebob, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice "Box of Rain" reference, Andrew. For anyone interested, here is another thread on the Dead.

Mark, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"bloated" = 12 lizards' most successful meme-project evah

mark s, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

After avoiding the Grateful Dead for years and years, Biba Kopf's insane pro-Dead rantings convinced me to give Live/Dead a chance. It turns out that I like it pretty well but most everything else I hear is painful.

Just stay away from American Beauty 'cause it's terrible beyond words. And the best-of collection that all my loser quasi-hippie friends have is ass too.

adam, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Another joke: Jerry Garcia and Eric Clapton are captured by cannibals one day. Before they are about to be cooked for dinner they are granted one final wish. Jerry says "hand me my old guitar and let me play Dark Star one last time...". Eric says "please kill me before he starts". (For once I can sympathize with Eric Clapton, actually I think I have never listened to the 23 minutes and 15 seconds of this first track on Live/Dead from start to end. I'd probably drop dead because of nuisance before the end.)

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Recycling the same lame gag = also a 'tribute' to the Dead...

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'Can You Hear Me Knocking' sounds just like the Dead...

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

hstencil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

You obviously never heard Branford Marsalis jam with them, then.

I knew when I saw this thread appear it would be full of the usual "the Dead are the worst band ever" stuff... they seem to be one of a small handful of bands it's ok to heap your worst insults on around here. So I'll do my usual and say yes "American Beauty" and "Workingman's Dead" are full of concise, well-written pop songs, their mid 70's LPs on their own label are amazing ("Blues for Allah" is my pick), and as great a guitarist as Tom Verlaine is, Garcia is better. He's a better vocalist, too. I know that for whatever reason the Dead are a band many people will just never permit themselves to like, so I expect to make no converts.

Sean, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Benton- check 'live/dead' and see what you think of it. And don't forget to give it a few listens on the headphones, too. The reason why some ppl passionately hate them is prob. because their sound really sounds from a completely diff era. The fact that ppl justify their hatred by the citing the fact that hippies listen to them is enough to surely dismiss their reckless opinions. Though andrew L has a good argument as ususal. But I found something to listen to in their jams and he didn't.

I think SY owe a lot to the dead in the way that they'd start a song and then they would use that as a basis for a jam and get back to the song.

The singing isn't to everyone's tastes but at a time when ppl are listening to Thom Yorke that isn't such a big problem.

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

But Julio, Kate has clearly heard them as well. You're not dismissing her out of hand, yes?

For myself, they don't trouble my interest, and I can't say they will be anytime soon.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

You obviously never heard Branford Marsalis jam with them, then.

Nope, and although I'm sure he's, uh, "funkier" than his brother, I can't imagine his jams with the Dead approach the instrumental break of "Can You Hear Me Knocking" (which was, after all, used by many a black "urban" radio station in the 1970s as promo music). Anyway, the point was that the claim that "Can You Hear Me Knocking" sounds like the Dead is way, way off-base.

hstencil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Have I just stumbled into Dawson's Creek series 4?

david h, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ned- kate was OK until the line below:

''I think that Deadheadism is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. If you have it, you will like them. If you do not have it, then no ammount of "Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out- take from 1973..." in the world will ever convince you to find even a modicum of interest.''

it's bollocks! any band will have it's fans and haters but to dismiss it as 'chemical imbalance' is bullshit. Plus the 'annihalate' line (see dave q's ans).

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That line was the funniest part of Kate's post!

Personally, the only song of theirs that I can instantly recognize is "Touch Of Grey". I'm fine with that.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

it was funny, yes, I second that!

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

how is television like the grateful dead? why do people say that? my room mate, yancy, says its because of the the two guitars. is that true?

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

you should definitely give them a try, particularly before '74 (live). Live/Dead is the make or break place to start; took me about five listens but soon I understood the big deal. Rhino's recent WB-era box is a lot to ask of a novice, so wait till they reissue each album individually and then go for it; the remastering is astounding, sounds 100 times better and I loved it already anyway....

M Matos, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the thing is, when the Dead were on they were ON. they could be the most heartbreaking, moving band in the world. the problem is 90% of the time they WEREN't on.

chaki, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Friend of the Devil is a flat-out amazing song. I used to be in a band with my dad and we did this song. It's fucking great.

Yancey, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

MMatos in I Love the Dead shocker.

Mark, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been exposed to thier music countless times by many people who have a good understanding of what I like/ don't like. I just can't seem to find anything by them that would be worth my time to keep a copy of. The stuff we are all bombarded with is usually lite country or big noodling solos that for me go nowhere, while the live tapes you gotta hear maaannn is the same, but with alot more noodling that goes nowhere.

brg30, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Ripple" is a great song if someone else sings it

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

A: "Hey, what are you listening to?"
B: "Oh, it's, uh, Kremlin Tiger Flower, uh, 2506. Have you heard them before?"
A: "Hmmm, it sounds familiar."
B: "They're a Japanese noise band from the '70s. Original LPs are like $500 on Ebay, but, uh, this label out of Amsterdam just reissued their album and I got it from Forced Exposure."
A: "Oh, yeah, I've heard of that...wow, this is awesome. It sounds like Sonic Youth or the Dead C or something."
B: "Yeah, I can hear that, I guess."
A: (listens) "Totally. Sonic Youth is totally ripping these guys off."
(pause)
B: "Actually, I'm just fucking with you. It's a Dead bootleg, they're doing 'Feedback'."
A: "It's a Dead C bootleg? Wow, this is, like, the best stuff I've ever heard from them. How'd you get -- "
B: "No, no, it's the Grateful Dead."
A: (runs screaming from the room, snarky hipster credibility permanently ruined)

Phil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

P.S. I love Live/Dead, "Box of Rain", some other stuff. On the other hand, there's plenty of Grateful Dead that is of no interest to me. I was listening to their first album today, and was quite surprised at how little of it appealed to me.

Phil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My personal favorite is Dick's Picks 4... but I agree Live/Dead is a good place to start. Also check out the studio versions of some of their songs (as people have already mentioned): "Friend of the Devil," "Ripple," "Uncle John's Band," "Playing in the Band," "China Cat Sunflower," and "Jack Straw."

aaron m, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you everyone for great suggestions. you are much appreciated.

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Surprised that no one has namechecked John Oswald's _Grayfolded_ which is a dozen or so different "Dark Star"s run together into a plunderphonic whole. Worth checking out - certainly a lot more interesting than _Live/Dead_ or any of the other endless collections of chicken-scratch guitar.

If you're still hell bent on checking out the Dead, I'd start with any of the Dick's Picks live releases from 1972 or earlier. Even then, listening to them are like trying to dig for gold in a mine that's been completely played out. There's a lot of shovelling involved for very little payoff.

Chris Barrus, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Phil, that reminds me of something I wrote a couple years ago....

M Matos, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha phil's post about fooling someone that it's the grunt mountain travelling flower band or some shit is so right on...fuck the deadc., fuck em!

new doorag boogie, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

what chaki said is pretty much exactly true tho. wtf i'm still on the bus, not that i'd wanna have much to do w/ the other ocupants.

, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Chicago's 'feedback' is still better than the Dead's 'feedback'.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Andrew, I think you mean "Free Form Guitar". Which IS classic, btw.

dave q, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

chicago transit authority (to give em their full title) > the dead c.!

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i find it hard to believe that someone could confuse the Dead C with the Grateful Dead. Besides the ingestion of pot and long songs, I don't see the connection (and yes I have heard more than my fair share of both Garcia & Co and the Dead C -- I'm not making a value judgement about which group is better) -- does Bruce Russell sell hand painted ties too?

Jack Cole, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Brain chemistry has a HELL of a lot to do with why some people fine some music interesting and others don't. I did not invalidate my argument, I proved it. I have had long discussions with friends about brain chemistry leading people to like dronerock, and how repeated exposure to ultra-high volume feedback can change brain chemistry. Listening to the piece of music while stoned, while on coke, while drunk, while on E (for various examples) can result in completely different experiences of the music.

How is the Grateful Dead any different?

There must just be a neurotransmitter that makes people like SHIT, that is the explanation.

kate, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DIRTY HIPPY!

Chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

do you mean that you've had long conversations with your neurochemist friends?

Josh, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometimes I think that the 6/23/74 Jai-Alai Fronton is my favorite Dead show ever. Tonight is one of those nights. I mean, a killer “Seastones”! That jam into “Ship of Fools”! The “Dark Star” jam! So much to love. It’s a killer night for Keith too. I’m listening to the Dave’s Picks version now, but this tape was one of the instrumental ones when I first got j to the Dead and I’m glad it still sounds as good today.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 14 February 2021 05:19 (two months ago) link

“got into”, damn my fat fingers posting from my phone

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 14 February 2021 05:26 (two months ago) link

haven’t heard that one, will check it out!

brimstead, Sunday, 14 February 2021 17:48 (two months ago) link

It’s a stone-cold classic

tobo73, Sunday, 14 February 2021 18:35 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/VfkZ70m.jpg

calstars, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:52 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

nice acoustic set, night before harpur college. at first i couldn't believe that the harmonies in the first set were the dead, because they were in tune- then i realized members of NRPS were sitting in

https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-01.sbd.miller.95683.sbeok.flac16/gd70-05-01d2t01.flac

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 23:41 (one month ago) link

lmao

Reviewer: mattsegel - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 26, 2013
Subject: Unbelievable

I don't care how 'good' the second set is, the first set is unreal, Jerry singing on Mama Tried and MAMU...sound is perfect. This is gold! Actually upon further review I don't think Jerry is singing on those songs.

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 23:43 (one month ago) link

that's a true deadhead review right there.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 23:49 (one month ago) link

my favorite one was this, a direct quote. re: 5/8/77

Yes, it is overrated. It is not *THAT* much better than a handful of other shows. It is, however, the absolute #1 work of art that I consider proof of the divine essence of man.

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 23:51 (one month ago) link

bought those recent 50th anniversary Workingman's Dead / American Beauty sets — and the live shows sound great. Good to be reminded that a pro mix can elevate a familiar recording. Performances are super loose, even sloppy at points, but they have a certain magic.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 03:10 (one month ago) link

also -- worth a follow https://twitter.com/charliemiller87

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 03:13 (one month ago) link

bought those recent 50th anniversary Workingman's Dead / American Beauty sets — and the live shows sound great. Good to be reminded that a pro mix can elevate a familiar recording. Performances are super loose, even sloppy at points, but they have a certain magic.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 04:10 (nine hours ago)

Stop it Tyler. I've managed to persuade myself that I didn't need these!

Duke, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 12:49 (one month ago) link

They are both really good! But if you can only buy one, I'd recommend the American Beauty one since it has the 2/18/71 show at the Capitol Theatre that includes the "Beautiful Jam" out of "Wharf Rat" and back into "Dark Star". It's tremendous and I've come back to that set much more often than the one packaged with Workingman's Dead.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 15:04 (one month ago) link

It was cool to hear wharf rat sandwiched in a dark star sandwich but didn’t notice anything distinct enough to be given a title like that

calstars, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 15:59 (one month ago) link

It's barely over five minutes, here's a YouTube excerpt of that portion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WD3d_CUTbw

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 16:01 (one month ago) link

From the great Grateful Dead Guide blog:

also the "Beautiful Jam", done only during the 2/18/71 Dark Star, which is quite unique, almost a song in itself. (I don't think it's closely related to the Tighten Up jam, though others hear it that way.)

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 16:03 (one month ago) link

A shorter excerpt, at just four and a half minutes was included on the So Many Roads box, which might be on your favorite streaming service of choice too. It was on Spotify at one point, but I haven't checked recently.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 16:08 (one month ago) link

Yeh the Spotify version is what I’m listening to but it’s not broken out as a distinct track

calstars, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 16:16 (one month ago) link

i am a very attentive dead listener and haven't caught on to the 'beautiful jam' yet. doesn't strike me as anything remarkable

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 16:32 (one month ago) link

it's good, but most dark stars from that era are

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 16:33 (one month ago) link

i dunno, i think it's pretty remarkable — "beautiful jam" is a good title.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 16:57 (one month ago) link

Listened to that live set and hooboy that run of “Greatest Story Ever Told” through “Hard to Handle” is a bit too much Weir lead vocals for me.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 17:28 (one month ago) link

If I let myself start buying the 50th A. sets, would also get Anthem of the Sun and prob Aoxomoxoa---how's the debut s/t?

dow, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 17:31 (one month ago) link

xp haha! i think that is first eve "greatest story" — and it shows!
funny, i was listening to that new live set included with The Band's Stage Fright and it's like those dudes were Steely Dan compared to the Dead. But then again, you don't ever get that weird trainwreck danger you do from the Dead.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 17:32 (one month ago) link

(All of the live bonus sets are still on archive.org, or were the last tyme I checked.)

dow, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 17:33 (one month ago) link

weird trainwreck danger you do from the Dead.

Exactly

calstars, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 18:27 (one month ago) link

how's the debut s/t?
It is okay. The live set included is nothing revelatory, its worth is dependent on your opinion of those early days. There isn't a whole lot of jamming, outside of "Viola Lee Blues." The sets on WD and AB are both more interesting. Have not listened to the Anthem 50th, though it looks good. I don't think they released one for Aoxomoxoa.

trip maker, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 20:23 (one month ago) link

They did one for Aoxomoxoa which has both stereo mixes of the album on disc 1, and a live show from the Avalon Ballroom on disc 2.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 20:27 (one month ago) link

so they did! My bad.

trip maker, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 20:35 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Does anyone stand for weirs solo record from 78? Overcooked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGB46f4fGzc

calstars, Monday, 29 March 2021 04:20 (two weeks ago) link

typo or accurate description?

nothing (Left), Monday, 29 March 2021 14:59 (two weeks ago) link

I’m at the “why do i keep trying to listen to this terrible band” stage which, if this thread is anything to go by, is the first stage of fandom

nothing (Left), Monday, 29 March 2021 15:01 (two weeks ago) link

did the dead ever do “la woman”?

brimstead, Monday, 29 March 2021 15:44 (two weeks ago) link

Halfway through Robert Greenfield's Bear: The Life and Times of Augustus Owsley Stanley III. He was, as Sydney Greenstreet would say, quite a character. His lineage encompassed the highest reaches of Kentucky politics--governor, senator, even talk of a presidential run one year.

clemenza, Monday, 29 March 2021 16:01 (two weeks ago) link

XXP that was me last year!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 29 March 2021 16:11 (two weeks ago) link

that's me at time as a confirmed fan

global tetrahedron, Monday, 29 March 2021 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

My road to moderate Dead fandom went from seeing them with Dylan and Petty in the late '80s and thinking they were boring and kind of embarrassing (Dylan and Petty were fine), to enjoying "Touch of Grey," to picking up the Long Strange Trip 2-CD compilation sometime in the '90s, to having a crush on a hippie chick who gave me some live tapes to listen to, to hearing a live track from a Jerry Garcia Band album in a record store and really clicking with Garcia's guitar playing ("oh yeah, this guy was great"), to a full immersion in the Napster/Slsk era. I've listened to their full studios discography over the years and a whole bunch of Dick's Picks and other live shows available on streaming, and I've reached the point now where they are among my go-to's to toss on whenever I can't think of what else to play. My early objections to their ragged vocals and rhythms have turned into fondness, and I recognize that at their best as a live band they were truly great. Just took a while for me to hear it.

did the dead ever do “la woman”?

― brimstead, Monday, March 29, 2021 11:44 AM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think so, but after thinking about it for a bit I could imagine Jim Morrison bellowing out a version of West L.A. Fadeaway (except for maybe the verse about the mob/"copacetic").

peace, man, Monday, 29 March 2021 16:39 (two weeks ago) link

my cousin (who i went to my only dead show with) and I used to sing the opening line of 'bombs away' just to enrage each other. I haven't heard the whole record though.

joygoat, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 17:12 (two weeks ago) link

Probably just as well, though there are some l a session guys on there I think

calstars, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 17:57 (two weeks ago) link

Too bad The Doors didn't cover Dead (can well imagine Morrison listening, though, around the time of Morrison Hotel for inst) Los Lobos did do "West L.A, Fadeaway," and it fit right in.
from my Nashville Scene ballot comments re 2010 albums:

On Los Lobos' Tin Can Trust, it seems like the narrator is on the
verge, he's some old tired guy, but made up his mind to do something,
take revenge and/or a commission, various indicators of volatility
keep rolling by or up the block, and little jolts--I know, enough with
the foreplay already, but the tension keeps getting renewed,
reinforced, and the Dead cover, "West L.A. Fadeaway," fits perfectly,
with no crunchy granola attached
(it's all sidewalks and traffic, the whole album, and then
there's the sardonic "happy ending" history short). A cliche to say
it's a soundtrack for movies you can make up, but it really seems to
work that way, rumbling implications--if it were so definite a
storyline, would get too familiar too fast, perhaps. It is badass
urban country, obsessive as a shot glass lens.

dow, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 21:13 (two weeks ago) link

the 8/24/72 dark star is a total masterpiece. i love it. that's it for now.

tobo73, Monday, 5 April 2021 23:30 (one week ago) link

Veneta was like 3 days later which is a major peak on a number of songs .

Stevolende, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:44 (one week ago) link

2/26/77 PITB>The Wheel>PITB was playing on the Sirius Dead station on my morning commute. Good one!

trip maker, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 20:01 (one week ago) link

That was one of the first shows I burned off archive.org when I started really getting into live GD.

guillotines aren't just for royalty anymore (PBKR), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 20:42 (one week ago) link

Me too. That setlist is like their greatest hits for me.

BrianB, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 20:50 (one week ago) link

the 8/24/72 dark star is a total masterpiece. i love it. that's it for now.

Still not quite sure I understand why they released the following night (a just fine, but not exceptional show for ‘72) instead of this one as a Dave’s Picks.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 21:56 (one week ago) link

Who knows what they’re thinking. Seems to me they could have done a box set of the entire Berkeley run as a nice complement to the celebrated Oregon show. The Berkeley run is excellent from start to finish and I assume that just about any ‘72 release sells well.

tobo73, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:32 (one week ago) link

I don't know if this is the best thread for it, but if any of you had, as I did, grown to love the hilariously irreverent and loving blog, Thoughts on the Dead, Brother of the Dead posted an update yesterday that Rick, the guy behind the blog, lost his battle with cancer at the terribly young age of 46.

I'll be firing up some Dead tonight (and schmedibles) in his honor tonight.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:40 (one week ago) link

yeah that is a shame — very funny guy. 46, way too young.

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 23:27 (one week ago) link


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