should i give the grateful dead a chance?

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is there more to them than 'dark' and 'truckin''? i was playing a television record and my dorm room mate said the english always compared them to the dead and that lee renaldo of sonic youth likes the dead as well as greg ginn of black flag. why are the dead so uncool? what should i try to listen to? (i know i don't like deadheads very much. tie-dye is as ugly as doing lsd in the mud). do my parents know something i don't?

(note, i've only been getting into music the past year. before that i just heard whatever on the radio and usually didnt like it. that should explain why i sound so dumb).

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Short answer: NO.

Do not give the Grateful Dead a chance. I have given the Grateful Dead several chances, and they continue to bore me solid. Friends say "Oh, you're into 60s garage, listen to their first album..." nope, sorry, it's still uninspired hippie stoner jams. Friends say "Oh, you like spacerock, listen to this or that experimental jam album..." nope, sorry, it's still uninspired hippie stoner jam drivel. Friends say "Oh, you have to listen to it on acid to get it." I listened to it on acid. It only stretched the INTERMINABLE boredom to the breaking point where it was a relief to sit and listen to radio static afterwards.

I think that Deadheadism is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. If you have it, you will like them. If you do not have it, then no ammount of "Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out-take from 1973..." in the world will ever convince you to find even a modicum of interest.

I know that calling a band "boring" is verboten on this forum. The Dead are not just boring, they are interminable, self indulgent, they noodle, they wibble, they do not drone in a transcendant manner, no they ANNIHILATE any sense of enjoyment of music to the point where I would rather listen to elevator music rather than the Dead. In fact, that is what they are. They are the elevator music of hippie stoner jam psychedelia.

Do not waste your time. Sing along with the hoover instead.

kate, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

'IS there more than [I assume you mean] 'Dark Star'? WTF? That's like saying "IS there more to the Sistine Chapel than the motherfucking ceiling?" Like, what else do you need in your life? (Besides 'BLues for Allah'!) Also, what's wrong with 'annihilating enjoyment'? Music is supposed to annihilate stuff, doesn't matter what it is.

dave q, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

As so often Kate is OTM. I bought "Live/Dead" a while ago as it appears on almost any milestone album list and it is rubbish. Aimless noodling. Only if you like epic guitar masturbation jams GD are yor you. I never understood how Lee Ranaldo could like them. But I have the feeling that "Murray Street" is the closest Sonic Youth have ever come to the sound of the Dead. It nevertheless is a million times better than anything I have ever heard of Garcia and his lot.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Just say no.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Q: What do Grateful Dead fans say when they run out of drugs?

A: God this band are shit.

(Keith Richards tells that gag - which is a bit rich considering that 'Can You Hear Me Knocking' sounds just like the Dead...)

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

American Beauty and Workingman's Dead are both snappy acoustic albums full of fine songs rather than rambling instrumental stuff.

I think they're worth checking out rather than applying some knee jerk reaction. But obviously lots of people don't agree.

Winkelmann, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

rather than applying some knee jerk reaction

Did you even read my fucking post? This is not some knee jerk reaction. This is a carefully thought out aesthetic decision that I have reached after repeated exposure and more consideration that I would give to most bands who repeatedly bombarded me with shit.

kate, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh why bother converting anybody - they're either 'on the bus or off!'

dave q, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've heard 10 seconds of American Beauty and about a minute of Workingman's Dead and I can can safely say that they will not be troubling my ears again, unless by accident. Don't do it, Benton.

Everything about the Grateful Dead is repulsive - the music (yes I *can* judge them on a minute or so), the fans, the mythology.... They're a crystallisation of everything I dislike in music.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

If you're looking to give a chance to a band, give it to an unknown band, not a bloated band.

Dave225, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

DIRTY HIPPY!

Chris, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm drawn back to this thread like a moth to a flame, just like I'm always drawn back to the Dead against my better judgment...

The thing is, I love the IDEA of the Dead - the endless noodling jams, those moments of improvisation when they reach the mythical 'zone', the community of fans, all those bootlegs to tick off and collect, the Verlaine-esque sound of Garcia's gtr, the vast quantities of drugs etc etc.

But - their recs just never seem to live up to the rep - before I ever listened to them, I imagined they were like the most mega-cosmic freak out group of all time, but when I finally did spin a few of their albs all I got was wimpy country-lite w/ really terrible singing. They rarely seem to rock out in any meaningful way, their cover versions are just AWFUL (esp. the 'bluesy' Pigpen-led stuff) and Hunter's lyrics are hippy bilge.

Without wishing to sound too alt snooty, Ghost and esp. Acid Mothers Temple do the whole folk-psych rock jam thing w/ so much more passion, imagination and freaky fun.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Where do you hide your money from a Deadhead?
Under the soap...

How can you tell a Deadhead has been at your house?
They're still there!

Spongebob, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Nice "Box of Rain" reference, Andrew. For anyone interested, here is another thread on the Dead.

Mark, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"bloated" = 12 lizards' most successful meme-project evah

mark s, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

After avoiding the Grateful Dead for years and years, Biba Kopf's insane pro-Dead rantings convinced me to give Live/Dead a chance. It turns out that I like it pretty well but most everything else I hear is painful.

Just stay away from American Beauty 'cause it's terrible beyond words. And the best-of collection that all my loser quasi-hippie friends have is ass too.

adam, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Another joke: Jerry Garcia and Eric Clapton are captured by cannibals one day. Before they are about to be cooked for dinner they are granted one final wish. Jerry says "hand me my old guitar and let me play Dark Star one last time...". Eric says "please kill me before he starts". (For once I can sympathize with Eric Clapton, actually I think I have never listened to the 23 minutes and 15 seconds of this first track on Live/Dead from start to end. I'd probably drop dead because of nuisance before the end.)

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Recycling the same lame gag = also a 'tribute' to the Dead...

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

'Can You Hear Me Knocking' sounds just like the Dead...

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

hstencil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

You obviously never heard Branford Marsalis jam with them, then.

I knew when I saw this thread appear it would be full of the usual "the Dead are the worst band ever" stuff... they seem to be one of a small handful of bands it's ok to heap your worst insults on around here. So I'll do my usual and say yes "American Beauty" and "Workingman's Dead" are full of concise, well-written pop songs, their mid 70's LPs on their own label are amazing ("Blues for Allah" is my pick), and as great a guitarist as Tom Verlaine is, Garcia is better. He's a better vocalist, too. I know that for whatever reason the Dead are a band many people will just never permit themselves to like, so I expect to make no converts.

Sean, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Benton- check 'live/dead' and see what you think of it. And don't forget to give it a few listens on the headphones, too. The reason why some ppl passionately hate them is prob. because their sound really sounds from a completely diff era. The fact that ppl justify their hatred by the citing the fact that hippies listen to them is enough to surely dismiss their reckless opinions. Though andrew L has a good argument as ususal. But I found something to listen to in their jams and he didn't.

I think SY owe a lot to the dead in the way that they'd start a song and then they would use that as a basis for a jam and get back to the song.

The singing isn't to everyone's tastes but at a time when ppl are listening to Thom Yorke that isn't such a big problem.

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

But Julio, Kate has clearly heard them as well. You're not dismissing her out of hand, yes?

For myself, they don't trouble my interest, and I can't say they will be anytime soon.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

You obviously never heard Branford Marsalis jam with them, then.

Nope, and although I'm sure he's, uh, "funkier" than his brother, I can't imagine his jams with the Dead approach the instrumental break of "Can You Hear Me Knocking" (which was, after all, used by many a black "urban" radio station in the 1970s as promo music). Anyway, the point was that the claim that "Can You Hear Me Knocking" sounds like the Dead is way, way off-base.

hstencil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Have I just stumbled into Dawson's Creek series 4?

david h, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ned- kate was OK until the line below:

''I think that Deadheadism is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. If you have it, you will like them. If you do not have it, then no ammount of "Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out- take from 1973..." in the world will ever convince you to find even a modicum of interest.''

it's bollocks! any band will have it's fans and haters but to dismiss it as 'chemical imbalance' is bullshit. Plus the 'annihalate' line (see dave q's ans).

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

That line was the funniest part of Kate's post!

Personally, the only song of theirs that I can instantly recognize is "Touch Of Grey". I'm fine with that.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

it was funny, yes, I second that!

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

how is television like the grateful dead? why do people say that? my room mate, yancy, says its because of the the two guitars. is that true?

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

you should definitely give them a try, particularly before '74 (live). Live/Dead is the make or break place to start; took me about five listens but soon I understood the big deal. Rhino's recent WB-era box is a lot to ask of a novice, so wait till they reissue each album individually and then go for it; the remastering is astounding, sounds 100 times better and I loved it already anyway....

M Matos, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the thing is, when the Dead were on they were ON. they could be the most heartbreaking, moving band in the world. the problem is 90% of the time they WEREN't on.

chaki, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Friend of the Devil is a flat-out amazing song. I used to be in a band with my dad and we did this song. It's fucking great.

Yancey, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

MMatos in I Love the Dead shocker.

Mark, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been exposed to thier music countless times by many people who have a good understanding of what I like/ don't like. I just can't seem to find anything by them that would be worth my time to keep a copy of. The stuff we are all bombarded with is usually lite country or big noodling solos that for me go nowhere, while the live tapes you gotta hear maaannn is the same, but with alot more noodling that goes nowhere.

brg30, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Ripple" is a great song if someone else sings it

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

A: "Hey, what are you listening to?"
B: "Oh, it's, uh, Kremlin Tiger Flower, uh, 2506. Have you heard them before?"
A: "Hmmm, it sounds familiar."
B: "They're a Japanese noise band from the '70s. Original LPs are like $500 on Ebay, but, uh, this label out of Amsterdam just reissued their album and I got it from Forced Exposure."
A: "Oh, yeah, I've heard of that...wow, this is awesome. It sounds like Sonic Youth or the Dead C or something."
B: "Yeah, I can hear that, I guess."
A: (listens) "Totally. Sonic Youth is totally ripping these guys off."
(pause)
B: "Actually, I'm just fucking with you. It's a Dead bootleg, they're doing 'Feedback'."
A: "It's a Dead C bootleg? Wow, this is, like, the best stuff I've ever heard from them. How'd you get -- "
B: "No, no, it's the Grateful Dead."
A: (runs screaming from the room, snarky hipster credibility permanently ruined)

Phil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

P.S. I love Live/Dead, "Box of Rain", some other stuff. On the other hand, there's plenty of Grateful Dead that is of no interest to me. I was listening to their first album today, and was quite surprised at how little of it appealed to me.

Phil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

My personal favorite is Dick's Picks 4... but I agree Live/Dead is a good place to start. Also check out the studio versions of some of their songs (as people have already mentioned): "Friend of the Devil," "Ripple," "Uncle John's Band," "Playing in the Band," "China Cat Sunflower," and "Jack Straw."

aaron m, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

thank you everyone for great suggestions. you are much appreciated.

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Surprised that no one has namechecked John Oswald's _Grayfolded_ which is a dozen or so different "Dark Star"s run together into a plunderphonic whole. Worth checking out - certainly a lot more interesting than _Live/Dead_ or any of the other endless collections of chicken-scratch guitar.

If you're still hell bent on checking out the Dead, I'd start with any of the Dick's Picks live releases from 1972 or earlier. Even then, listening to them are like trying to dig for gold in a mine that's been completely played out. There's a lot of shovelling involved for very little payoff.

Chris Barrus, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Phil, that reminds me of something I wrote a couple years ago....

M Matos, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ha ha phil's post about fooling someone that it's the grunt mountain travelling flower band or some shit is so right on...fuck the deadc., fuck em!

new doorag boogie, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

what chaki said is pretty much exactly true tho. wtf i'm still on the bus, not that i'd wanna have much to do w/ the other ocupants.

, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Chicago's 'feedback' is still better than the Dead's 'feedback'.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew, I think you mean "Free Form Guitar". Which IS classic, btw.

dave q, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

chicago transit authority (to give em their full title) > the dead c.!

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i find it hard to believe that someone could confuse the Dead C with the Grateful Dead. Besides the ingestion of pot and long songs, I don't see the connection (and yes I have heard more than my fair share of both Garcia & Co and the Dead C -- I'm not making a value judgement about which group is better) -- does Bruce Russell sell hand painted ties too?

Jack Cole, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Brain chemistry has a HELL of a lot to do with why some people fine some music interesting and others don't. I did not invalidate my argument, I proved it. I have had long discussions with friends about brain chemistry leading people to like dronerock, and how repeated exposure to ultra-high volume feedback can change brain chemistry. Listening to the piece of music while stoned, while on coke, while drunk, while on E (for various examples) can result in completely different experiences of the music.

How is the Grateful Dead any different?

There must just be a neurotransmitter that makes people like SHIT, that is the explanation.

kate, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

DIRTY HIPPY!

Chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

do you mean that you've had long conversations with your neurochemist friends?

Josh, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i think they were in it to have a good time. no 'rock star' seemed nearly as chill as jerry (which i think is the core of their aspirational fan appeal). dude died at 53 a martyr to hippie hedonism

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 February 2020 18:09 (one month ago) link

i mean if we want to talk about the corporatization of the dead yeah that was '75 when all of their dreams crashed and burned due to a number of factors, including yeah embezzlement, that wasn't altamont and for god's sake isn't there another thread or two where we can argue about how capitalism is the root of all evil?

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 21 February 2020 18:15 (one month ago) link

The embezzlement was 1970. Hart's dad disappeared with their money three months after Altamont, fwiw.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 18:19 (one month ago) link

I think it's awesome that the Dead has built a thriving merch empire to support their fans' thirst for high-quality recordings of live shows, merch, etc. (even though I rarely engage with any of that personally). I wish every band/artist that I'm into (and, heck, even many I'm not) could be successful on their own terms. I recently signed up to send a few bucks a month to my favorite guitar dude on Patreon, to get behind his future recording & merch efforts... that's what I do as a fan, don't we all? -- support artists we love and hope they can find financial stability or even "success" via what they produce & do.

Ticket Tout (morrisp), Friday, 21 February 2020 18:19 (one month ago) link

i think it's awesome the only other american band who has as many great album-closing jams as the dead ("casey jones", "blues for allah", "the weather report suite", "truckin'", "terrapin station", "cosmic charlie") is REM

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 February 2020 18:27 (one month ago) link

xpost I think Pearl Jam doing that was super-cool, too. I remember all those shelves of live CDs at Tower Records and thinking, man, I wish every band did this. It's more or less free money for them, and an awesome thing for fans.

Re: Altamont, the whole reason Altamont happened at all was because the Stones were getting shit for high ticket prices on their US tour, and the only reason they were touring America at all was reportedly to refill their empty coffers; the reason the event was moved to Altamont at the last minute was because Jagger wanted to keep a bigger percentage of the film profits, iirc. A lot of folks of course write about Altamont as the fabled Death of the '60s (with actual death the turning point), but it was also when a lot of idealism evaporated in the face of practical money matters and/or greed.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 18:28 (one month ago) link

my favorite guitar dude on Patreon

lol this was Hagerty wasn't it

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 February 2020 18:33 (one month ago) link

lol I was going to randomly guess James Blackshaw!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 18:35 (one month ago) link

kinda weird for capitalist figureheads to hold out so long sampling-wise ("unbroken chain")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoXFmo50YBI

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 February 2020 18:44 (one month ago) link

xxp Yep! #HexHead #(WhatMan)WhoAreYou

Ticket Tout (morrisp), Friday, 21 February 2020 18:48 (one month ago) link

apologies for “but have you heard” but I’m wondering if any non-fans would like “the wheel” by jerry garcia band?

https://youtu.be/rYGatU18PMQ

brimstead, Friday, 21 February 2020 19:14 (one month ago) link

Er, it's pleasant. I'd rather listen to Michael Nesmith though.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Friday, 21 February 2020 19:22 (one month ago) link

The conclusion of that Altamont book I read was that the debacle kind of ended whatever the Dead (and Stones) were, or at least what they wanted to be. But I'm not familiar enough with the Dead to know if they were changed by the events.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 18:04 (one hour ago) link

One of my favorite moments from Gimme Shelter is when someone tells Jerry about the fracas between the Hell's Angels and Jefferson Airplane where Marty Balin gets brained and Jerry's response is a stoned "Bummer", so out of character with the rest of the reactions.

Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Friday, 21 February 2020 19:42 (one month ago) link

Then they fly off in a helicopter, right?

Ticket Tout (morrisp), Friday, 21 February 2020 19:48 (one month ago) link

Then they fly off in a helicopter, right?

― Ticket Tout (morrisp)

they learned that trick from stockhausen

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 21 February 2020 20:21 (one month ago) link

Four helicopters, iirc. That's also when the Grateful Dead invented "Apocalypse Now."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 20:35 (one month ago) link

I liked the Amazon doc a lot but I thought Jerry came off terribly in it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 February 2020 20:51 (one month ago) link

everyone has their off days. weir is the zappa of the dead

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:02 (one month ago) link

I liked the Amazon doc a lot but I thought Jerry came off terribly in it

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, February 21, 2020 12:51 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he seemed like a total prick

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:04 (one month ago) link

not remotely a chill guy either

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:04 (one month ago) link

the chills are the dead of new zealand

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:15 (one month ago) link

The Dead C are the Dead of NZ.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:22 (one month ago) link

huh i dunno if "jerry was a prick" was my takeaway from the doc. though i've read several dead bios so maybe some of the later years stuff wasn't as surprising to me. as far as rock stars go, maybe not such a bad dude.

tylerw, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:28 (one month ago) link

a broken angel sings from a guitar. in the end there's just a song

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:37 (one month ago) link

Even as a Dead fan I can agree they seem like one of the least desirable bands to actually hang out with.

Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:50 (one month ago) link

all of the SF 60s psych bands seem like horrible ppl tbh. Even Fogerty and Sly seemed like, um, difficult people to say the least.

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:54 (one month ago) link

i think LSD can breed megalomania and solipsism as opposed to a sense of being 'all one' with the universe or whatever

global tetrahedron, Friday, 21 February 2020 23:35 (one month ago) link

Plus Garcia was a junkie for years.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Friday, 21 February 2020 23:38 (one month ago) link

yeah addiction can turn even a basically ethical person into a terrible terrible prick

global tetrahedron, Friday, 21 February 2020 23:51 (one month ago) link

I'm just going to lol a little bit at all the insightful observations of how terrible the Dead were as people in this thread while the same people have a chuckle on the Bobby Gillespie thread about him wearing literal Nazi symbols. NB I like the Dead and Primal Scream (actually similar groups/fanbases in some ways).

Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Saturday, 22 February 2020 02:17 (one month ago) link

one of the perks of being an American is not giving a shit about Primal Scream

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 February 2020 02:19 (one month ago) link

PBKR is referring to me. Never seen our wee Boaby sporting a death’s head before and i am disappointed. Love Primal Scream but have never particularly considered Boaby as a person I would like to hang out with.

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 February 2020 03:05 (one month ago) link

Also i am an American and a Jew, not particularly convinced Boaby is a Nazi as much as a young idiot.

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 February 2020 03:06 (one month ago) link

Sorry to call you out Shakes, just being a little playful. Mostly just amused how we all have our own predispositions so that we will cut people we like a LOT of slack while those we have hangups about we hold their feet to the fire. I’m as guilty as anyone.

Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Saturday, 22 February 2020 03:33 (one month ago) link

one of the perks of being an American is not giving a shit about Primal Scream

Heh, that's funny, because I had just watched that "Songs from the Big Chair" Classic Albums doc, and after looking to see which ones I hadn't seen yet, started "Screamadelica." But about 20 minutes in I turned it off because I didn't give a shit.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 February 2020 03:40 (one month ago) link

Was going to say it's also funny that one of the perks of not being an American is not giving a shit about the Grateful Dead but what's funnier is the assumption that non-Americans give a shit about Primal Scream.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 February 2020 09:43 (one month ago) link

wait boaby is a YOUNG idiot, in that case so am i, finally this thread delivers

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 11:18 (one month ago) link

primal scream: bad live, suck unless heavily remixes
grateful dead: neither of those things

lmao at the idea that americans especially care about primal scream. no they don’t

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:04 (one month ago) link

remixed*

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:04 (one month ago) link

lmao at the idea that americans especially care about primal scream. no they don’t

No-one said they did?

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:09 (one month ago) link

Also i am an American and a Jew, not particularly convinced Boaby is a Nazi as much as a young idiot.

The interview is from around the time of "Loaded", so he'd be 27 going on 28.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:11 (one month ago) link

... admittedly that is 14 in Boaby years.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:14 (one month ago) link

No-one said they did?

― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:09 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh lol i'm very sleepy, i didn't realize your implication was that no one cares about primal scream

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 22 February 2020 13:20 (one month ago) link

Hugely enjoying all the recent testimonials here, different visions, POVs, incl. of those who enjoy other peoples' perspectives, but can't bear the actual soundz of inspiration. Leave us not forget Jerry in other contexts---not nec. bluegrass or set-down folkie sets, but also the soulful grooves:
I like Keith and Donna in several of those live Jerry Garcia Band sets, long rippling versions of "Don't Let Go" and so on; JGB and Legion of Mary shows can be pretty refreshing.

― dow, Friday, April 15, 2016 2:50 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah been digging into some 76-78 JGB stuff and Garcia definitely sounds inspired/engaged/lively compared to some of the Dead stuff from that era. and donna and keith actually contribute in a good way!

― tylerw, Friday, April 15, 2016 3:16 PM (three years ago)
Much more of that here:
Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D
and here:
Jerry Garcia Solo/JGB/Grisman/etc. - S/D

dow, Saturday, 22 February 2020 22:32 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

For anyone on the bus or Dead-curious: this The Other One is superb, and the ending-> is something else. March 20 1977

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-03-20.145511.mtx.motb0226.flac16/gd1977-03-20.mtx.motb.0226.d2t05.flac

llurk, Friday, 20 March 2020 23:28 (two weeks ago) link

Thrilled to announce that I’ll be performing the National Anthem for Sunday’s FOX @NASCAR iRACING race on @FOXTV, @FS1 and the FOX Sports App at 1:00 PM ET from the comforts of home. Tune in! pic.twitter.com/p3986M4YhY

— Bob Weir (@BobWeir) March 27, 2020

morrisp, Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:12 (one week ago) link

the row jimmy from this show is probably my favorite xp

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 28 March 2020 16:25 (one week ago) link

Heres Bob Weir singin the national anthem for the Esports nascar race lmao pic.twitter.com/ndYnBzO26y

— Kent (Bene Gesserit) (@kentdunne) March 29, 2020

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:34 (one week ago) link

not as bad as i would have thought but the digital element is extremely bizarre. didn't know they were literally airing a simulation lmao

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:36 (one week ago) link

do we have Rolling Most 2020 Video thread

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:50 (one week ago) link


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