should i give the grateful dead a chance?

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is there more to them than 'dark' and 'truckin''? i was playing a television record and my dorm room mate said the english always compared them to the dead and that lee renaldo of sonic youth likes the dead as well as greg ginn of black flag. why are the dead so uncool? what should i try to listen to? (i know i don't like deadheads very much. tie-dye is as ugly as doing lsd in the mud). do my parents know something i don't?

(note, i've only been getting into music the past year. before that i just heard whatever on the radio and usually didnt like it. that should explain why i sound so dumb).

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Short answer: NO.

Do not give the Grateful Dead a chance. I have given the Grateful Dead several chances, and they continue to bore me solid. Friends say "Oh, you're into 60s garage, listen to their first album..." nope, sorry, it's still uninspired hippie stoner jams. Friends say "Oh, you like spacerock, listen to this or that experimental jam album..." nope, sorry, it's still uninspired hippie stoner jam drivel. Friends say "Oh, you have to listen to it on acid to get it." I listened to it on acid. It only stretched the INTERMINABLE boredom to the breaking point where it was a relief to sit and listen to radio static afterwards.

I think that Deadheadism is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. If you have it, you will like them. If you do not have it, then no ammount of "Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out-take from 1973..." in the world will ever convince you to find even a modicum of interest.

I know that calling a band "boring" is verboten on this forum. The Dead are not just boring, they are interminable, self indulgent, they noodle, they wibble, they do not drone in a transcendant manner, no they ANNIHILATE any sense of enjoyment of music to the point where I would rather listen to elevator music rather than the Dead. In fact, that is what they are. They are the elevator music of hippie stoner jam psychedelia.

Do not waste your time. Sing along with the hoover instead.

kate, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'IS there more than [I assume you mean] 'Dark Star'? WTF? That's like saying "IS there more to the Sistine Chapel than the motherfucking ceiling?" Like, what else do you need in your life? (Besides 'BLues for Allah'!) Also, what's wrong with 'annihilating enjoyment'? Music is supposed to annihilate stuff, doesn't matter what it is.

dave q, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

As so often Kate is OTM. I bought "Live/Dead" a while ago as it appears on almost any milestone album list and it is rubbish. Aimless noodling. Only if you like epic guitar masturbation jams GD are yor you. I never understood how Lee Ranaldo could like them. But I have the feeling that "Murray Street" is the closest Sonic Youth have ever come to the sound of the Dead. It nevertheless is a million times better than anything I have ever heard of Garcia and his lot.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Just say no.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Q: What do Grateful Dead fans say when they run out of drugs?

A: God this band are shit.

(Keith Richards tells that gag - which is a bit rich considering that 'Can You Hear Me Knocking' sounds just like the Dead...)

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

American Beauty and Workingman's Dead are both snappy acoustic albums full of fine songs rather than rambling instrumental stuff.

I think they're worth checking out rather than applying some knee jerk reaction. But obviously lots of people don't agree.

Winkelmann, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

rather than applying some knee jerk reaction

Did you even read my fucking post? This is not some knee jerk reaction. This is a carefully thought out aesthetic decision that I have reached after repeated exposure and more consideration that I would give to most bands who repeatedly bombarded me with shit.

kate, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh why bother converting anybody - they're either 'on the bus or off!'

dave q, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've heard 10 seconds of American Beauty and about a minute of Workingman's Dead and I can can safely say that they will not be troubling my ears again, unless by accident. Don't do it, Benton.

Everything about the Grateful Dead is repulsive - the music (yes I *can* judge them on a minute or so), the fans, the mythology.... They're a crystallisation of everything I dislike in music.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're looking to give a chance to a band, give it to an unknown band, not a bloated band.

Dave225, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

DIRTY HIPPY!

Chris, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm drawn back to this thread like a moth to a flame, just like I'm always drawn back to the Dead against my better judgment...

The thing is, I love the IDEA of the Dead - the endless noodling jams, those moments of improvisation when they reach the mythical 'zone', the community of fans, all those bootlegs to tick off and collect, the Verlaine-esque sound of Garcia's gtr, the vast quantities of drugs etc etc.

But - their recs just never seem to live up to the rep - before I ever listened to them, I imagined they were like the most mega-cosmic freak out group of all time, but when I finally did spin a few of their albs all I got was wimpy country-lite w/ really terrible singing. They rarely seem to rock out in any meaningful way, their cover versions are just AWFUL (esp. the 'bluesy' Pigpen-led stuff) and Hunter's lyrics are hippy bilge.

Without wishing to sound too alt snooty, Ghost and esp. Acid Mothers Temple do the whole folk-psych rock jam thing w/ so much more passion, imagination and freaky fun.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Where do you hide your money from a Deadhead?
Under the soap...

How can you tell a Deadhead has been at your house?
They're still there!

Spongebob, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice "Box of Rain" reference, Andrew. For anyone interested, here is another thread on the Dead.

Mark, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"bloated" = 12 lizards' most successful meme-project evah

mark s, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

After avoiding the Grateful Dead for years and years, Biba Kopf's insane pro-Dead rantings convinced me to give Live/Dead a chance. It turns out that I like it pretty well but most everything else I hear is painful.

Just stay away from American Beauty 'cause it's terrible beyond words. And the best-of collection that all my loser quasi-hippie friends have is ass too.

adam, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Another joke: Jerry Garcia and Eric Clapton are captured by cannibals one day. Before they are about to be cooked for dinner they are granted one final wish. Jerry says "hand me my old guitar and let me play Dark Star one last time...". Eric says "please kill me before he starts". (For once I can sympathize with Eric Clapton, actually I think I have never listened to the 23 minutes and 15 seconds of this first track on Live/Dead from start to end. I'd probably drop dead because of nuisance before the end.)

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Recycling the same lame gag = also a 'tribute' to the Dead...

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'Can You Hear Me Knocking' sounds just like the Dead...

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

hstencil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

You obviously never heard Branford Marsalis jam with them, then.

I knew when I saw this thread appear it would be full of the usual "the Dead are the worst band ever" stuff... they seem to be one of a small handful of bands it's ok to heap your worst insults on around here. So I'll do my usual and say yes "American Beauty" and "Workingman's Dead" are full of concise, well-written pop songs, their mid 70's LPs on their own label are amazing ("Blues for Allah" is my pick), and as great a guitarist as Tom Verlaine is, Garcia is better. He's a better vocalist, too. I know that for whatever reason the Dead are a band many people will just never permit themselves to like, so I expect to make no converts.

Sean, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Benton- check 'live/dead' and see what you think of it. And don't forget to give it a few listens on the headphones, too. The reason why some ppl passionately hate them is prob. because their sound really sounds from a completely diff era. The fact that ppl justify their hatred by the citing the fact that hippies listen to them is enough to surely dismiss their reckless opinions. Though andrew L has a good argument as ususal. But I found something to listen to in their jams and he didn't.

I think SY owe a lot to the dead in the way that they'd start a song and then they would use that as a basis for a jam and get back to the song.

The singing isn't to everyone's tastes but at a time when ppl are listening to Thom Yorke that isn't such a big problem.

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

But Julio, Kate has clearly heard them as well. You're not dismissing her out of hand, yes?

For myself, they don't trouble my interest, and I can't say they will be anytime soon.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I don't think I recall the Dead ever having extended sax solos in any of their songs.

You obviously never heard Branford Marsalis jam with them, then.

Nope, and although I'm sure he's, uh, "funkier" than his brother, I can't imagine his jams with the Dead approach the instrumental break of "Can You Hear Me Knocking" (which was, after all, used by many a black "urban" radio station in the 1970s as promo music). Anyway, the point was that the claim that "Can You Hear Me Knocking" sounds like the Dead is way, way off-base.

hstencil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Have I just stumbled into Dawson's Creek series 4?

david h, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ned- kate was OK until the line below:

''I think that Deadheadism is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. If you have it, you will like them. If you do not have it, then no ammount of "Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out- take from 1973..." in the world will ever convince you to find even a modicum of interest.''

it's bollocks! any band will have it's fans and haters but to dismiss it as 'chemical imbalance' is bullshit. Plus the 'annihalate' line (see dave q's ans).

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

That line was the funniest part of Kate's post!

Personally, the only song of theirs that I can instantly recognize is "Touch Of Grey". I'm fine with that.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

it was funny, yes, I second that!

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

how is television like the grateful dead? why do people say that? my room mate, yancy, says its because of the the two guitars. is that true?

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

you should definitely give them a try, particularly before '74 (live). Live/Dead is the make or break place to start; took me about five listens but soon I understood the big deal. Rhino's recent WB-era box is a lot to ask of a novice, so wait till they reissue each album individually and then go for it; the remastering is astounding, sounds 100 times better and I loved it already anyway....

M Matos, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the thing is, when the Dead were on they were ON. they could be the most heartbreaking, moving band in the world. the problem is 90% of the time they WEREN't on.

chaki, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Friend of the Devil is a flat-out amazing song. I used to be in a band with my dad and we did this song. It's fucking great.

Yancey, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

MMatos in I Love the Dead shocker.

Mark, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been exposed to thier music countless times by many people who have a good understanding of what I like/ don't like. I just can't seem to find anything by them that would be worth my time to keep a copy of. The stuff we are all bombarded with is usually lite country or big noodling solos that for me go nowhere, while the live tapes you gotta hear maaannn is the same, but with alot more noodling that goes nowhere.

brg30, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Ripple" is a great song if someone else sings it

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

A: "Hey, what are you listening to?"
B: "Oh, it's, uh, Kremlin Tiger Flower, uh, 2506. Have you heard them before?"
A: "Hmmm, it sounds familiar."
B: "They're a Japanese noise band from the '70s. Original LPs are like $500 on Ebay, but, uh, this label out of Amsterdam just reissued their album and I got it from Forced Exposure."
A: "Oh, yeah, I've heard of that...wow, this is awesome. It sounds like Sonic Youth or the Dead C or something."
B: "Yeah, I can hear that, I guess."
A: (listens) "Totally. Sonic Youth is totally ripping these guys off."
(pause)
B: "Actually, I'm just fucking with you. It's a Dead bootleg, they're doing 'Feedback'."
A: "It's a Dead C bootleg? Wow, this is, like, the best stuff I've ever heard from them. How'd you get -- "
B: "No, no, it's the Grateful Dead."
A: (runs screaming from the room, snarky hipster credibility permanently ruined)

Phil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

P.S. I love Live/Dead, "Box of Rain", some other stuff. On the other hand, there's plenty of Grateful Dead that is of no interest to me. I was listening to their first album today, and was quite surprised at how little of it appealed to me.

Phil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

My personal favorite is Dick's Picks 4... but I agree Live/Dead is a good place to start. Also check out the studio versions of some of their songs (as people have already mentioned): "Friend of the Devil," "Ripple," "Uncle John's Band," "Playing in the Band," "China Cat Sunflower," and "Jack Straw."

aaron m, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

thank you everyone for great suggestions. you are much appreciated.

benton, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Surprised that no one has namechecked John Oswald's _Grayfolded_ which is a dozen or so different "Dark Star"s run together into a plunderphonic whole. Worth checking out - certainly a lot more interesting than _Live/Dead_ or any of the other endless collections of chicken-scratch guitar.

If you're still hell bent on checking out the Dead, I'd start with any of the Dick's Picks live releases from 1972 or earlier. Even then, listening to them are like trying to dig for gold in a mine that's been completely played out. There's a lot of shovelling involved for very little payoff.

Chris Barrus, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Phil, that reminds me of something I wrote a couple years ago....

M Matos, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ha ha phil's post about fooling someone that it's the grunt mountain travelling flower band or some shit is so right on...fuck the deadc., fuck em!

new doorag boogie, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what chaki said is pretty much exactly true tho. wtf i'm still on the bus, not that i'd wanna have much to do w/ the other ocupants.

, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Chicago's 'feedback' is still better than the Dead's 'feedback'.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Andrew, I think you mean "Free Form Guitar". Which IS classic, btw.

dave q, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

chicago transit authority (to give em their full title) > the dead c.!

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i find it hard to believe that someone could confuse the Dead C with the Grateful Dead. Besides the ingestion of pot and long songs, I don't see the connection (and yes I have heard more than my fair share of both Garcia & Co and the Dead C -- I'm not making a value judgement about which group is better) -- does Bruce Russell sell hand painted ties too?

Jack Cole, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Brain chemistry has a HELL of a lot to do with why some people fine some music interesting and others don't. I did not invalidate my argument, I proved it. I have had long discussions with friends about brain chemistry leading people to like dronerock, and how repeated exposure to ultra-high volume feedback can change brain chemistry. Listening to the piece of music while stoned, while on coke, while drunk, while on E (for various examples) can result in completely different experiences of the music.

How is the Grateful Dead any different?

There must just be a neurotransmitter that makes people like SHIT, that is the explanation.

kate, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

DIRTY HIPPY!

Chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

do you mean that you've had long conversations with your neurochemist friends?

Josh, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

hoo boy

Good thing there's an Altamont connection so Marty can still shoehorn "Gimme Shelter" into the soundtrack.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:13 (one week ago) link

Oh fuck no

calstars, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:31 (one week ago) link

!

Sterl of the Quarter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:32 (one week ago) link

hoo boy

Good thing there's an Altamont connection so Marty can still shoehorn "Gimme Shelter" into the soundtrack.

― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, November 18, 2021 2:13 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol

peace, man, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:48 (one week ago) link

Obviously it's no sure thing this will happen, especially since they're still writing the script. He's attached himself to so many high profile projects that had the cast, the studio and the money, and then lost interest when a satisfactory script never materialized: the Frank Sinatra biopic, the Dean Martin biopic, the adaptation of Devil in the White City (with no less than DiCaprio attached), etc.

birdistheword, Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:08 (one week ago) link

The White City thing is still on, afaict, with Leo and Marty, but now as a TV series for Paramount+.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:28 (one week ago) link

Todd Haynes should do it: either like his Velvet U. doc, or Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story, with one of those little GD rainbow bears as Jerry, also miniature plastic skeletons in Uncle Sam gear, or like Velvet Goldmine and I'm Not There, with Aidy Bryant adapting her SNL Ted Cruz beard to play Jerry.

dow, Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:42 (one week ago) link

But if Scorsese does it, have Schrader script: like we notice mohawked Granpa Travis Bickle watching thee stage, as dancers writhe past.

dow, Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:46 (one week ago) link

like in 1990s

dow, Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:48 (one week ago) link

Middle of the movie should be reenactment of the 47+ minute Cleveland Dark Star.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:59 (one week ago) link

xxxxp Yeah, but Scorsese isn't directing any of it anymore. His executive producer credit may be mostly nominal.

birdistheword, Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:04 (one week ago) link

(well, nominal with a lot of money)

birdistheword, Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:05 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I was just saying he is still involved.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:11 (one week ago) link

shoehorn gimme shelter into the soundtrack and then shoehorn the grateful dead out of it

mark s, Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:17 (one week ago) link

xp I don't think he's directed a whole series before, but it would be amazing if he changed his mind and did that for White City...I mean, he and DiCaprio have openly discussed how hard it is to get big budget prestige films made, but the thing is, those projects haven't gone away, they've just moved to streaming and cable, albeit in multi-episode form. I'm sure there may be reasons why he doesn't want to - other feature directors have said that doing a series, even a limited series, is far more exhausting than a film, and Scorsese is 79 now.

birdistheword, Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:19 (one week ago) link

shoehorn gimme shelter into the soundtrack and then shoehorn the grateful dead out of it

LMAO, imagine him screening his first cut and they're all like, WTF, what happened to our music? Why is it all Stones????

birdistheword, Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:20 (one week ago) link

thats altamont baby

mark s, Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:20 (one week ago) link

Cornell 77, the beauty and the power of Garcia's solo on Morning Dew, many people prefer say the Europe 72 version. But for me it has never been equaled. pic.twitter.com/YIyPET3gwr

— not the guy (@notnotnuanced) November 18, 2021

birdistheword, Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:42 (one week ago) link

The scriptwriters, Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski, also wrote Ed Wood and My Name is Dolemite, so this gives me some hope, should it ever happen. The weird, mannered, almost gothic comedy in things like Wolf of Wall Street is the most interesting aspect of Scorsese's late style, imho, and god knows there's a comedy to be made out of the Dead story. So many great supporting parts to be cast - Kesey, Cassidy, Sam Cutler, Mountain Girl, Donna and Keith, Mickey Hart's father, Bill Graham etc etc.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:09 (one week ago) link

The Wolf of Shakedown Street

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:43 (one week ago) link

Ok that actually sounds good
The less earnest the better I guess

calstars, Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:10 (one week ago) link

This could be good if it was Hill and his crew (and Scorsese!) doing a stoner comedy about a fictionalized Garcia.

Actually, in all seriousness, this would be good if it was just about the Dead and the Hells Angels in the months and days leading to Altamont, ending right before it goes down.

FADE TO BLACK

TEXT: "In the end, the Grateful Dead never played Altamont, citing the threat of violence. The night ended as scheduled, with a performance by the Rolling Stones, during which fan Meredith Hunter was stabbed and killed by a member of the Hells Angels.

In 1987, the Grateful Dead released "Touch of Grey." It peaked at number 9."

"Gimme Shelter" by the Rolling Stones begins to play as credits roll.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:10 (one week ago) link

I actually think a movie about Jerry between, say, '82 and '85 could be interesting.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:11 (one week ago) link

I would absolutely take a Dead comedy over a biopic.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:57 (one week ago) link

Should be Seth Rogen instead of Jonah Hill.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:58 (one week ago) link

Jerry Garcia does not seem like the most compelling character in the altamont thing

brimstead, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:15 (one week ago) link

Jonah Hill needs to go full De Niro and put on 60 lbs for a late Garcia role.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Friday, 19 November 2021 01:44 (one week ago) link

I actually think a movie about Jerry between, say, '82 and '85 could be interesting.


That would be dark. Or a dark comedy. There would be lots of heroin and junk food.

tobo73, Friday, 19 November 2021 02:46 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I didn’t say it would be an uplifting movie, but it’s as a darker counterpoint to the hippie ideal I think there’s a story to tell and it could still have a more positive twist at the end, depending on where you cut it off. I just think the vivid imagery of the freebasing bust in Golden Gate Park would be striking.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 November 2021 03:23 (one week ago) link

Based on the LST doc, I think an easy film to make would be towards the end around 93-95 when he’s ruining all his relationships. Whirlwind of crappy Jerry behavior in 94 alone!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 19 November 2021 08:49 (one week ago) link


That would be dark. Or a dark comedy. There would be lots of heroin and junk food.
― tobo73, Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:46 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Häagen-Dazs and heroin.

peace, man, Friday, 19 November 2021 12:14 (one week ago) link

I'd rather watch a stoner comedy starring someone as a hapless assistant to Garcia tasked with getting him ice cream and heroin. Sort of a hippie "After Hours." Hill could still be Garcia, if they really wanted, but don't make the movie about Garcia.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 November 2021 13:36 (one week ago) link

I would like to play Phil in this movie please

tobo73, Friday, 19 November 2021 14:07 (one week ago) link

Maybe it'll be a debauched, lost weekend style take on Phil's Heineken years.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 November 2021 15:07 (one week ago) link

'd rather watch a stoner comedy starring someone as a hapless assistant to Garcia tasked with getting him ice cream and heroin. Sort of a hippie "After Hours." Hill could still be Garcia, if they really wanted, but don't make the movie about Garcia. Yeah, or I too was thinking about POV---others to consider might be Mountain Girl, and/or another wife, gf, other female? Was always most interested in how the women and girls of The Sopranos cope w dinosaur male madness all around them-.
But starting to have doubts about "stoner comedy" as main frame---Pete Davidson is voicing The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, who smoke a joint in 1969, wake up in 2021. First of all: bad timing X of all: bad timing. Pot is legal-decriminalized, to various degrees, in so many states now, and----so what, even as escapism (suppose they will visit a store w incredible edibles etc)

dow, Friday, 19 November 2021 15:49 (one week ago) link

Although I say that as someone who came back to and gave up on *modern* pot a long tyme ago (it's too strong, dagnabbit)

dow, Friday, 19 November 2021 15:51 (one week ago) link

(Also could be POV ov Owsley, who loved their fabulous sound system, though was overheard: "Why do you do me this way?" Relationship w JG/band better?)

dow, Friday, 19 November 2021 15:54 (one week ago) link

Gonna start mid-heart attack and then freeze:

(Voiceover): "I never thought it would end like this ..."

Cue Glenn Miller's "Chattanooga Choo Choo"

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 November 2021 16:00 (one week ago) link

Film needs to cover his late snorkeling and diving enthusiasm

calstars, Friday, 19 November 2021 16:42 (one week ago) link

Lots of visual possibilities there, like 3-D version I saw---with glasses!--- of The Creature From The Black Lagoon Goes w image of Jonah Hill needs to go full De Niro and put on 60 lbs for a late Garcia role, which I may never recover from (and now having Grateful Dawg flashbacks of studio as hospital room, ughhhhh)

dow, Friday, 19 November 2021 18:08 (one week ago) link

I gave ace a chance and you guys are right it’s good.

calstars, Saturday, 20 November 2021 02:14 (one week ago) link

"Jerry mighta moved slow, but that was only because Jerry didn't have to move for anybody"

— rob sheffield (@robsheff) November 18, 2021

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 20 November 2021 03:56 (one week ago) link

Häagen-Dazs and heroin

and chord books

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 November 2021 04:52 (one week ago) link

Film needs to cover his late snorkeling and diving enthusiasm

― calstars, Friday, November 19, 2021 11:42 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it’s the Jerry-era biopic no one wants but secretly needs!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:48 (one week ago) link

Fries Down Under The Stars

calstars, Saturday, 20 November 2021 13:06 (one week ago) link

Maybe it'll be a debauched, lost weekend style take on Phil's Heineken years.

― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, November 19, 2021 10:07 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Europe 74 would be cool: Hauling the Wall of Sound across the Atlantic; the cocaine really starts to take hold; somehow Phil is fatter and more bearded than Jerry (I guess that's the Heineken)

J. Sam, Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:11 (one week ago) link

^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab5IhdnDfks

J. Sam, Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:12 (one week ago) link

yasss

calstars, Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:36 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMifZvxa5s

good quality video of 4/27/77

calstars, Friday, 26 November 2021 17:43 (four days ago) link


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