worst Nicki Minaj song on the radio right now

i was also 10 yrs old fwiw

smh

whiney when you call even a good eminem verse the best verse of 2010 (or even an ok jay-z song the best rap song of 2009) do you really expect ppl here to not shake their heads at how boring and old that makes you seem

you're right, gucci mane's "my car orange like an orange" raps are much more impressive than this, carry on, ILX

there's not much that separates ems verse on roman's revenge from his verses on love the way you lie

― dayo, Friday, January 14, 2011 10:22 PM (20 minutes ago)

i'm not gonna call it the "best verse of 2010" (smh) but there's a definite focus that recalls early em

ehh early em was a lot more playful, w/ good punchlines that had lots of creative metaphors (like form like voltron and blast you w my shoulder missiles to pick one I was just listening too)

this nu-em still has the obsession w rhymes and the sound of words but largely drops that kind of lyrical playfulness

~lets it go~ xp

like whatever, some dude, it's not like i'm not banging Mouse On The Track and Roachy Gigz and Odd Future all fuckin day either, its just that i don't throw away my old toys when i'm done playing with them.

And also, Em's rap on this is incredible and I'm not gonna stand idly by while someone growing his first pube on ILX shakes his head at me

since you guys are all here, i'm getting tonight's DJ arsenal ready... Is it racist to spin out "Arab Money"?

uh... pretty much, yeah

:(

like whatever, some dude, it's not like i'm not banging Mouse On The Track and Roachy Gigz and Odd Future all fuckin day either, its just that i don't throw away my old toys when i'm done playing with them.

And also, Em's rap on this is incredible and I'm not gonna stand idly by while someone growing his first pube on ILX shakes his head at me

― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 14, 2011 10:57 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i don't really listen to any of the people you referred to and i'm not exactly a poster boy for casting aside old rappers. i'm just saying, picking the occasional defensible nu-Em or nu-Jay track and championing it as THE BEST OF THE BEST just looks so square that even if you think you're right you should probably be ready to take some shit for it

"i ain't into s&m / but my whip off the chain" is a v dope line imo

also the grocery bagging on this works for me -- the british nonsense at the end is of course unforgivable

i'm torn re the beat tho -- when it flourishes it is jarring & not in a good way -- they should've stayed as minimal as possible imo -- the backing vocals are awesome

His faggot baiting is more obnoxious than ever, but he's just as good at being obnoxious as he was in 2000, if that makes sense; and paired with Minaj it's a real competition. They foil each other perfectly. In addition, Minaj's "playing a character" shows up how poorly the difference between Em and Slim Shady looks like in 2010.

fwiw earl on "earl" > earl on anything else this year also > anyone else on anything else this year

between the two they don't merely fag bait -- they bait everyone. Equal opportunity malice.

his verse is way more sexist than it is homophobic, aside from the use of the word "faggot"

Yeah, they're cruel to everyone, and pretty good at it.

"i ain't into s&m / but my whip off the chain" is a v dope line imo

that one was a little too obvious imo but I liked pretzel for a brain/razor for a head/pretzel for a brain

but he also says he's gonna stick a falcon wing up a fly ass so it's a zero sum verse in the end

errr pencil for a frame

Roman's Revenge would have made my Pazz and Jop were it a single in 2010.

it was released as a standalone thing on halloween. are we really still stuck on old-skool definitions of "single"?

i love bits of eminem's verses - beginning and end of the first one especially, and how he reworks the chorus ("make that face, go on, scrunch it up at me/show me the target so i can LUNGE AND ATTACK IT"), but between that he kind of falls off the beat and tries to get too many words in. his second verse is ehhhh, though i do like how the faggot line is accompanied by the one moment of sonic pretty girlishness.

every moment nicki's on the mic is astonishing to hear and to rap along to, she sounds unhinged, and the beat is insane. top 4 moments:

1. the outraged vibrato on "i see them dusty-ass FILAAAS, LEVIIIIS, raggedy-ass HOLES IN YOUR KNEE-HIIIIGHS" that reminds me of missy's guest spot on trina's "rewind that back"
2. "i'm a BAD BITCH - i'm a CUNT" - what other rapper has even gone there with the c word
3. "OVERSEAS / CHURCH / VATICAN" - beyond the grocery bag and off the deep end
4. "M-M-M-M-MANNING ELI" - hearing his names in the right order feels completely wrong now

3. "OVERSEAS / CHURCH / VATICAN" - beyond the grocery bag and off the deep end

^^ i actually agree w/ this -- same thing with "hang it up... flat screen... plasma"

i realized that my original problem w/ grocery bagging was not how lame the punchlines were or how the structure highlighted them, but just that it was such a boring & monotonous way to rap, just very assembly line -- the triple bagging sort of subverts that tho in a way that's kinda free form

also her grocery bagging in the second verse doesn't even consist of punchlines, it's literally just random words hurled at the beat, but i love how it actually ends up making a fragmented kind of sense where you get to fill in the bits in between, and that it really conveys a sense of menace - the lunatic asylum of mumbling/cackling connects to the mass hysteria of scared/shook/panicking that leads into the need to pray combined w/all the sinister connotations of vatican...

"hey nicki hey nicki - " - ASTHMA

"hardest diss track in forever" is pretty ridic

― some dude, Friday, January 14, 2011 7:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

the thing about the song is that it's a great diss track in an unconventional way. obv there are only a few lines shot directly at kim and certainly no "takeover" style point-by-point breakdown (which would be unnecessary anyway), but it's still a very aggressive & confrontational track. like, just the general theme of the track & the medieval via bowser's castle flourishes during the chorus, right down to 'rah rah/ like a dungeon dragon' create just a very sinister & foreboding atmosphere that, in combination w/ the fact that we KNOW that it's about kim, elevate nicki's threats & taunts -- and she does say she'll put a hit out on her!

damn, i just realized the odd (intentional?) coincidence of eminem being on the song where nicki goes at kim

ha! i would guess unintentional. has eminem ever done a song with lil kim?

i like "moment 4 life" a lot, tho i wish the chorus was more interesting & less repetitive droning

yeah diss tracks are pretty lame nowadays, listened to death certificate and goddamn "no vaseline" wow how hateful, kinda blew me away

first time i heard "Moment 4 Life" on the radio i only heard the Drake verse and thought it was his song, and i was like who the fuck is singing this hook? maybe Chrisette Michele on a really really bad day?

i really like nicki's first verse in "moment 4 life" but the chorus starts to sink it and drake's verse finishes it off

what's the reference in the "my n*ggas get buck... OVERBITE"

does young buck have an overbite or something

buck teeth

where was your jukebox review of that anyway j0rdan >:(

i totally hadn't realized that jukebox had started back up for 2011 -- i'll look at the list

i would've given RR a 9

i can't fuck w/ "did it on em"

yeah me neither :(

Is there a thread I can't find where people discuss "Did It On 'Em"? Because maaaaaaaaan

If you could turn back time... CHER
Used to be here, now you're gone... NAIR

also v. disappointed the string of F1 rhymes doesn't go for "You need some help... F1"

"did it on em" is incredible, sometimes you just have to give in to the grocery bag. U AIN'T MY SON U MY MUHFUKKIN STEPSON

right now i kind of think "super bass" might be the most perfect bubblegum rap pop song - really no wonder taylor swift and selena gomez were so taken by that one particularly

italics don't make a line hot

How is the stepson line a grocerybag line lex?

I really like the "used to be here/hair, now you're gone... NAIR" line

anyway 'bedrock' is secretly a great song

yeah, no

i'm gudda gudda

i can't tell if "did it on em" is worse on the radio because 40% of the words are bleeped out, or is better on the radio because 40% of the words are bleeped out

altho i will give it to nicki, pissing on your children would be pretty disrespectful