Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps - POLL

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I wanted to wait a little while after the Ditch Trilogy was polled to the ends of the earth. This was the first Neil Young album I ever got (at the advice of Guitar World: "he's the Godfather of Grunge!") and it's still probably my favorite.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Powderfinger 28
Hey Hey, My My (Into the Black) 9
Thrasher 8
Pocahontas 8
My My, Hey Hey (Out of the Blue) 4
Sedan Delivery 4
Welfare Mothers 3
Sail Away 1
Ride My Llama 0


kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

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kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

Pocahontas, but it's close.

Mark, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

amazing album but come on, it has to be Powderfinger

jabba hands, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Aren't there like tons of overdubs on this "live" album? It has an oddly distanced, artificial feel to it. That said, I agree on "Powderfinger".

anagram, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

Forever associate "Thrasher" with a moment when the stitches undid themselves.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 25 January 2010 13:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

I figure that Powderfinger will take the win. I think I'll vote for either Thrasher, Ride My Llama, or Pocahontas.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp yeah they added the overdubs and removed the crowd noise. distanced is a good word for how it sounds, especially the acoustic side. i've got the live dvd somewhere too and that's pretty wtf, jawa-type creatures running around on stage etc.

jabba hands, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

Gotta go for 'Into the Black' for *that* guitar sound and *that* solo.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Monday, 25 January 2010 13:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

This is a tough one, so many good songs on this album. My first instinct was to go with Hey Hey, My My but I chose Sail Away because whenever it comes on my mp3 player I listen to it over and over. I know some may find it a bit schmaltzy and it certainly won't win the poll, but to me it's a perfect song.

bad fog, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

Wow, I was silently predicting that no one would vote for that one. Whatever, awesome!

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 25 January 2010 13:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's not often that I give lyrics special consideration, but, really, "Thrasher" has a set of exceptional ones.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 January 2010 14:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that song's loaded.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 25 January 2010 14:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

The live album is LIVE RUST. I didn't think there was any misconception that this is a studio album.

Trip Maker, Monday, 25 January 2010 14:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

so many great songs -- agree about "thrasher," "burned my credit card for fuel" -- but last time i listened to this (sometime last year) the song i went back to over and over was "sedan delivery." it's makes good on the record's punk nod, and the guitar sound is so electrically scuzzy.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 25 January 2010 14:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

IT makes good, i mean.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 25 January 2010 14:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

The live album is LIVE RUST. I didn't think there was any misconception that this is a studio album

As I understand it all tracks on RNS except two were recorded live in concert = live album.

anagram, Monday, 25 January 2010 14:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well that makes Live Rust seem even more redundant, I guess.

Trip Maker, Monday, 25 January 2010 14:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

the song i went back to over and over was "sedan delivery."

Was hoping someone would mention this. I used to think of this song as kind of forgetable, but it's started to really jump out at me recently.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 25 January 2010 14:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well, the differences between RNS and LR versions of "Powderfinger" and "Sedan Delivery" are purely academic, no?

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 January 2010 14:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

chrome dreams version of sedan delivery slays

anyways when I'm chopped, dip always kicks my ass lol (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2010 14:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

Don't imagine anyone else will vote for "Welfare Mothers", so...

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 25 January 2010 14:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Powderfinger, definitely

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 25 January 2010 14:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'll take both the powder and the finger here.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 25 January 2010 15:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

I finally voted for "Welfare Mothers"

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Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 January 2010 15:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

The electric "Hey Hey My My"

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 25 January 2010 15:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Thrasher

M.V., Monday, 25 January 2010 16:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

think i'd lean towards some of the tunes that *didn't* become live standards in subsequent years -- "Thrasher", "Sail Away", "Ride My Llama" ... Don't know if he ever played those songs again, but each one is great. Obviously the other songs are incredible, but I've heard them so much over the years on live albums/bootlegs, they aren't as fresh sounding.

tylerw, Monday, 25 January 2010 16:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

amazing album but come on, it has to be Powderfinger

― jabba hands, Monday, January 25, 2010 1:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Thrashers & Pocahontas coming up close behind. Pocahontas is as shower singin' classic in my house.

Joint Custody (ian), Monday, 25 January 2010 16:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

One more for Powderfinger. If we polled the entire Neil Young catalog it would probably finish in the top three.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 25 January 2010 16:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

if we polled the entire NY catalog "Pocahontas" would probably finish in my top ten

pobrecito (outdoor_miner), Monday, 25 January 2010 16:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

The electric "Hey Hey My My"

Can't believe it's just me and Geir rockin' out to this one.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Monday, 25 January 2010 17:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

I voted for that too. I am a sneaking regarder of Welfare Mothers, but that is the best. It is a truly awesome album... must get a digital copy sometime so I can rock out to it while walking down the street.

The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 25 January 2010 17:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

"pocahontas" and "powderfinger" are both in my NY top ten, and both high up in my shower singing rotation. "pocahontas" and acoustic "my my hey hey" are both high up in my aimless guitar noodling rotation. "welfare mothers" shoulda been on "tonight's the night." this is hard.

geir's selection of electric "hey hey my my" has caused me to lose my sense of balance.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 25 January 2010 17:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

all this welfare mothers talk is making me regret my powderfinger vote...

Brio, Monday, 25 January 2010 17:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

I always thought of Welfare Mothers as the throwaway..

Joint Custody (ian), Monday, 25 January 2010 17:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

No, that's "Ride My Llama."

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 January 2010 17:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

one of the genius things about of this album -- and of a lot of neil albums, maybe -- is that you could easily label half the tracks on it as throwaways. but you can't actually throw them away.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 25 January 2010 17:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yes.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 January 2010 17:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Pocahontas is as shower singin' classic in my house.

cf: Singing it under one's breath in the car and annoying/amusing one's wife.

M.V., Monday, 25 January 2010 18:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is impossible. def top 10 all time albums for me

you forgot what a hardcore blogger is (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 25 January 2010 19:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Pocahontas" juuuuust over "Thrasher". I can't get over the ache at the start of "Pocahontas" and I know about icy skies at night.

Euler, Monday, 25 January 2010 23:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

sedan delivery by a nose over pocahontas

iago g., Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

What do you think "Pocahontas" is about, exactly? I mean thematically, or in terms of POV. I know it jumps around in history, etc., has that surreal turn at the end, but what's the emotional thread running through it, if there is one?

Mark, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

perhaps someone can explain the pocahontas-brando thing...was this after the infamous oscar acceptance speech with the native american woman?

iago g., Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it was 5 or 6 years after, so that explains it in a way, but not really.

Mark, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

i know, i just looked at the lyrics and have no clue

iago g., Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

i find pocahontas a lot more understandable than powderfinger. what's he going on about in that one? pocahontas, i assume, is a guy coming to grips with the past and trying to reconcile what his ancestors did three centuries ago with his own life today. he may or may not be switching point of view in the verses. maybe the first half of the song is from the POV of a 17th century native american dealing with the european invasion and the second half is from the POV of a 20th century descendant of those europeans contemplating how he got here. or maybe the entire thing is from the POV of the hippie in his second-floor apartment across the street from the bank, with his indian rug and probably beads hanging from the ceiling, and he's identifying with the natives and it's really not that much of a stretch for him to think, and say, "they killed us in our tepees." i think the emotion's the same either way.

brando was a longtime active in native american causes, and the oscar stunt made him a very public activist, so it makes sense to me that the narrator would want to invite him to his imagined meeting.

"marlon brando, pocahontas and me" is one of my all-time favorite pop-song phrases, and not because of any of the above. i just think it's a great phrase, kind of inscrutable, and kind of NOT inscrutable, a little slice of the north american psyche filtered into a haiku.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 02:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

nice post!
I agree, I think Pocahontas is about Americans' weird relationship with the past -- to use the hoary Faulkner phrase "the past isn't dead, it isn't even past." that they "massacred the buffalo kitty corner from the bank" is something that lingers here. I think Neil talks about being fascinated with how the past still has a presence, even if you can't see it, like looking at a big city and trying to envision just what was there beforehand, and actually *getting* a vision, some kind of transmission.

what's remarkable about the song is how unforced and natural it is -- i barely even think about the craft that went into it. you can imagine neil spending a couple hours writing it, not laboring over it or anything. but it came out incredible.

tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 03:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

I agree, I think Pocahontas is about Americans' weird relationship with the past -

More true than you think -- the whole album sounds like Young attempting, in his addled way, of trying to understand his place in history: America, rock and roll, his former bandmates.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 03:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

you can imagine neil spending a couple hours writing it, not laboring over it or anything

he may not have labored over the melody at all; he may just have borrowed it wholesale from carole king's "he's a bad boy." even if it was an unconscious rip, that still makes it easier, i would think.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 03:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

POWDERFINGER

mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 03:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Pocahontas. Though I prefer other versions to this album's.

sofatruck, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 03:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

love this guy so fucking much

mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 03:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Nice takes on Pocahontas, thanks. Part of what I've always liked about it is that it's slippery. You get a sense of all these different possibilities but there's no single voice or central point as far as I can tell. I always felt like it might contain a small critique of romanticizing Native Americans in the 3rd verse, the way the guy kitty-corner from the bank has these little tokens that on the one hand might be part of a connection but only are in a very superficial way. An "Indian rug" here sounds kitsch. Very complex song with the most simple and beautiful melody.

Mark, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

I so cannot find my copy of this and its not on my laptop, dammit! But I don't think another listen would sway me from voting for "Powderfinger".

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

There's lots that intrigues in "Pocahontas", but one thing is the reference to "the homeland we've never seen". It gives a sense that we're diaspora people, whoever "we" are, but we are going home again. A heaven, a gateway, a hope?

Euler, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 09:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm kinda shocked!

i get mines the fast way, the balaclava way (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

insanely lopsided

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

altho Powderfinger is one of his best epics for sure

The Tommy Westphall Universe Hypothesis (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think this is my least favorite canon ny album

iatee, Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

wow...yeah I voted Powderfinger, but I mean Thrasher, Pocahontas and Sedan Delivery are right up there with it...

don't mind me: just exhuming dead horses... (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

thrasher is amazing. no ride my llama votes? ;_; prefer the acoustic over the electric on this one, except "powderfinger" obv

Don't delay, we cannot do this forever. (Matt P), Saturday, 30 January 2010 00:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

My sentiments exactly. And "Powderfinger" receives an extra boost for providing my favorite musical moment of the 1990s (and maybe of all-time) in The Pooh Sticks' "The Rhythm of Love."

I can see how someone would think "Welfare Mothers" is a throwaway. But "Ride My Llama?" The melody is discursive. But it starts to settle down with "It's old but it's good" and certainly locks in by "like any other primitive would." And then there's that gorgeous plunge into the ocean where you can hear even the bubbles surrounding him (is this what people mean by acoustic shoegaze?). Definitely not throwaway material. More like stand-there-dumbfounded fare.

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is the rare poll where any order of results is fine with me...i wish there were more like this

iago g., Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

amazed powderfinger got the nod here. i love it. but "thrasher" is just an incredible song. i'm not a lyrics as poetry person at all but it blows me away, lyrically. glad to see others have said the same.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:18 (five years ago) Permalink

"Where the vulture glides descending
On an asphalt highway bending
Thru libraries and museums, galaxies and stars
Down the windy halls of friendship
To the rose clipped by the bullwhip
The motel of lost companions
Waits with heated pool and bar."

this verse in particular just kills me

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Thursday, 20 December 2012 00:22 (five years ago) Permalink

powderfinger's lyrics are incredible too, tho. such a rich & involving story which nonetheless remains mysterious. and those sublime guitar sounds...

jabba hands, Thursday, 20 December 2012 01:19 (five years ago) Permalink

obv thrasher is also great, i love all these songs, incl ride my llama

jabba hands, Thursday, 20 December 2012 01:21 (five years ago) Permalink

This album is pretty close to perfect but Pocahontas over Sedan here is just 0_O

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 20 December 2012 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't say this often but "Thrasher" has damn good lyrics, no?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2012 02:08 (five years ago) Permalink

Best lyrics, yes.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 20 December 2012 02:14 (five years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

been listening to thrasher five times a day for a month or two, it is one of the best songs ever imo.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 4 January 2013 15:40 (five years ago) Permalink

or at least best of the last three to four hundred years

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 4 January 2013 15:40 (five years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

It still makes me laugh in “Thrasher” when the melancholy of “how I lost my friends I still don’t understand” is immediately followed by the verse about how he ditched his friends because they became boring losers.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:59 (two months ago) Permalink


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