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tried to search for a previous thread devoted to them but couldn't find one. just discovered the "Mendocino" album and am really really loving it. I know "She's About a Mover", but can anyone recommend anything else by these guys or Doug Sahm in general?

johnnyo, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

I've gotten lots of mileage out of

over the years.

I heard "Mendocino" being covered in Munich last year by a band in lederhosen who were otherwise playing Bavarian folk songs. I think Sir Doug would have loved that.

Euler, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 16:31 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know a ton of his stuff, but the Mendocino lp and the "greatest hits" lp are great. I haven't heard the "Return of Doug Saldaña" record in awhile but I remember liking that one too.

I'd also seek out the show they did at the Philly Folk Festival in 1969, which is floating around the internet. Short, but just wonderful! A couple tracks from the then-current Mendocino lp plus some old standards (In The Jailhouse Now, Colinda).

city worker, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:04 (eleven years ago) link

thanks for the info! i'd always heard there was a huge cult around anything Doug Sahm did but it seems like all his albums are long out of print. So much stuff being repressed onto vinyl these days, but the SDQ albums are conspicuously missing.

johnnyo, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

ten months pass...

"Blue Norther" = AWESOME

4 out of 5 Fenriz agree. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 25 November 2010 08:30 (ten years ago) link

I checked out the Sir Doug Austin City Limits performance from 1981 at my local public library.
Augie Meyers is in fine form throughout. They cover 96 Tears and You're Gonna Miss Me and play a bunch of Sir Doug hits.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 25 November 2010 14:37 (ten years ago) link

regrets: not buying the Augue Meyers Western Head Band LP a few years ago when I saw it.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Thursday, 25 November 2010 15:58 (ten years ago) link

A lot of SDQ and other Doug on Amazon. Some pretty accurate cautionary comments re dodgier imports, but most of it's pretty cool. I know I'm gonna have to get the Complete Mercury Sessions, which maybe the only way to get Rough Edges, one of his best with Ray Sharpe's sly boogie"Linda Lou", soulful cajun "Colinda",garage punk workout "Doin' It Too Hard", Tom T. Hall's "The Homecoming", just for a start. Plus check the Mendecino album, Together After Five, Return of Doug Saldana, the Sir Douglas Band's Texas Tornado, the Texas Tornadoes, for that matter (new one has only one track with Doug, but good w son Shawn, Freddy Fender [though dead as Doug], and other regulars. Then try Daydreamin(g?) After Midnight (plenty Doug, Augie, etc plus Shawn cranking it a bit like Joe Perry at times)Maybe Groover's Paradise and others I haven't heard (check too, he's pretty good on this)

dow, Friday, 26 November 2010 03:08 (ten years ago) link

Groover's Paradise is pretty cool.

Trip Maker, Friday, 26 November 2010 03:17 (ten years ago) link

can't believe there is not a bigger Doug Sahm thread than this! tried searching but I couldn't find it either.

Doug Sahm "Doug Sahm and Band" (has Is Anybody Going to San Antone? on it, Bob Dylan plays on this, Dr. John, etc.)
Sir Douglas Quintet "1+1+1=4" (Catch a Man on the Rise)
Sir Doug & the Texas Tornados "Texas Rock for Country Rollers" (has the awesome "Give Back the Key to My Heart" that Uncle Tupelo covered - with Doug singing a verse - on Anodyne)

Border Wave
Juke Box Music
Live: Texas Tornado

dow's post gives me a lot more to hunt for, I haven't heard any of those ... he has a pretty insane discography ... another favorite track of mine is "Who Were You Thinking Of" but I don't think I have that album (Quintessence), must have just heard it around here and there ...

dmr, Friday, 26 November 2010 22:01 (ten years ago) link

Oh yeah, seeing that Doug Sahm & Band cover reminds me of The Complete Atlantic Sessions, real good; also another comp, The Funky Side of Your Mind.

dow, Saturday, 27 November 2010 02:45 (ten years ago) link

Sorry, I meant Best of The Atlantic Sessions, incl tracks from Doug Sahm & Band, The Sir Douglas Band's Texas Tornado, and unreleased trscks. A lot of SDQ is listed on Amazon under Sir The Douglas Quintet, Douglas Quintet, and maybe Doug Sahm too (S.D.Q. '98 is for sure, though that's him, Augie & the Gourds together live; dunno how good it is)

dow, Sunday, 28 November 2010 04:48 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Basically a reish of the last disc of the now OOP Mercury Masters box, but still a nice selection. Also on vinyl.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 26 February 2011 18:55 (ten years ago) link

Did Mendocino get mentioned on this thread, not read it right through but that is a great lp.
& them live on the Playboy live thing from '69 or '70 is pretty great too. Got a compi set of the show from tradersden about 3 years ago.

Stevolende, Saturday, 26 February 2011 21:41 (ten years ago) link

Man, someone needs to take control of these guys' catalog. There are a bunch of CDs called "Mendocino" that are not the (excellent!) album.

You sure slapped some meat in their eyes, Jimmy. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 27 February 2011 04:21 (ten years ago) link

There is a great clip of the band doing She's about A Mover dressed in tailcoats on a dvd on Demonoid called Garage & Psych 47 Classic recordings of the 60s. rest of that set is pretty great too

clip is here
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Stevolende, Sunday, 27 February 2011 18:22 (ten years ago) link

missed the box set, so that singles collection looks sweet.

having just done a residency playing mostly country-ish tunes, i dug often into the Sir Douglas Quintet catalog, esp. stuff like "Lawd I'm Just a Country Boy in this Great Big Freaky City" and many cuts from Groover's Paradise and Return of Doug Saldana. and rooting around the other day, i realized the reason so many folk know "Be Real" is cuz it wound up on the Officer and a Gentleman soundtrack. and Doug even has a role in hazy 70's classic flick, Cisco Pike (with Kris Kristofferson).

that all said, i have a soft place for Sahm, as we're both from San Antonio. Wrote a remembrance of the man one year at EMP, too.

beta blog, Sunday, 27 February 2011 18:52 (ten years ago) link

ten months pass...

can't believe there is not a bigger Doug Sahm thread than this!

Maybe it's the craziness of the catalog, multiple band names, etc., but it seems like this guy would get more love on ILM.

Brad C., Monday, 2 January 2012 14:59 (nine years ago) link

Grabbed "The Rains Came" 45 (on Tribe Records) and it makes me very happy. One of my all time favorite Doug tunes.

Trip Maker, Monday, 2 January 2012 15:29 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

killer bootleg of sahm and band here, 1974

tylerw, Monday, 23 January 2012 23:36 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

The Doug Sahm page on FB is reporting that Sahm/SDQ's longtime drummer Johnny Perez has died.

Instagrams of Lily on My Facebook Wall (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 22:16 (eight years ago) link

bummer, RIP.
there was a bit in the recent Paul Nelson anthology about Sahm -- Nelson talks about how Sahm was one of the greatest talents he ever encountered, but that Sahm's attention span was so short that he could never create the masterpiece that (Nelson believed) he had in him. also he smoked a lot of weed.

tylerw, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 22:21 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Mendocino is hitting the spot tonight

Number None, Friday, 10 January 2014 23:48 (seven years ago) link

together after 5 is go-to sir doug album, but there is just so much to love.

ian, Saturday, 11 January 2014 00:03 (seven years ago) link

but there is just so much to love

without a doubt.

that's not my post, Saturday, 11 January 2014 06:19 (seven years ago) link

Has somebody reissued Mendocino, I have it on Arcadia but I think that label ceased to be a while back.
If anybody has done as good a job with it it is pretty essential if you're into this type of music.

Stevolende, Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:50 (seven years ago) link

Seems it would a be a no-brainer for Sundazed to do on vinyl at least. It is completely oop (the album of the same title on amazon & Itunes is a Dutch comp).

Have been enjoying The Last Real Texas Blues Band in the car changer the past week. I like how they kept Doug's instructions to sound guy in during the songs ("More vocal in the monitor.", "Turn the organ up!").

...out of that weakness, out of that envy, out of that fear.. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:41 (seven years ago) link

Apparently one copy left on for £20

Stevolende, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:45 (seven years ago) link

I'd recommend the record but make sure you get the right one, with this tracklisting plus the bonus tracks

No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Mendocino" Doug Sahm 2:40
2. "I Don't Want" Sahm 3:45
3. "I Wanna Be Your Mama Again" Sahm 3:10
4. "At the Crossroads" Sahm 4:30
5. "If You Really Want Me to I'll Go" Delbert McClinton 2:35
6. "And It Didn't Even Bring Me Down" Martin Fierro, Frank Morin,& Sahm 2:30
7. "Lawd, I'm Just a Country Boy in This Great Big Freaky City" Sahm 2:45
8. "She's About a Mover" Sahm 3:20
9. "Texas Me" Augie Meyers, Morin, John Perez, & Sahm 2:35
10. "Oh, Baby, It Just Don't Matter" Sahm 3:15

is the correct tracklisting, the Acadia version augments it with

11. Sunday Sunny Mill Valley Groove Day
12. Sir Doug's Recording Trip
13. The Homecoming
14. Hello Amsterdam
15. At The Crossroads (Alternative Mix)
16. Texas Me (Alternative Mix)

I think at least most of those are great tracks that fit pretty well.

Stevolende, Saturday, 11 January 2014 21:02 (seven years ago) link

Stevolende, Saturday, 11 January 2014 21:19 (seven years ago) link

I've been reading the bio Texas Tornado by Jan Reid. Full of great anecdotes. Doug is one of a kind.

Trip Maker, Saturday, 11 January 2014 21:47 (seven years ago) link

Doug's sideburns in that Playboy club clip, wow! Almost as amazing as their version of Mendocino.

that's not my post, Sunday, 12 January 2014 03:23 (seven years ago) link

Brad C., Sunday, 12 January 2014 03:41 (seven years ago) link

Mendocino was one of my best bargain-bin finds ever: an original delete bought in Rockford, Illinois, in maybe 1981 or '82.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 January 2014 03:42 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Also, Doug meets Hank, at what turned out to be Hank's last show, according to Baron Lane, who posted this on twitter: (Doug may have already recorded "A Real American Joe" for the the Sarge label)

dow, Friday, 6 March 2015 02:36 (six years ago) link


he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 6 March 2015 04:36 (six years ago) link

also, what a cute kid!

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 6 March 2015 04:36 (six years ago) link

Sahm had a mild-Zelig thing going on: Meeting Hank I; Becoming life-long buds with Dylan and Jerry Garcia in the mid '60s (iirc, The Warlocks opened for the SDQ in '66); Gigging with the 13th Floor Elevators and later helping engineer Roky Erickson's first comeback; Helped get Willie Nelson on Atlantic and played on his albums for them; Appearing on one of the first episodes of Austin City Limits; Recording with Uncle Tupelo...

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 March 2015 05:30 (six years ago) link

― Brad C., Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:41 PM

Links there still work: Doug & Friends (Garcia, Lesh, Leon R. etc.) and the show at Paul's Mall.

dow, Friday, 6 March 2015 15:47 (six years ago) link

sir douglas quintet the low-key GOAT american rock band

J. Sam, Friday, 6 March 2015 15:50 (six years ago) link

Spotify mostly has a bunch of the who=knows compilations I mentioned re Amazon, way upthread, and also like on Amazon, you gotta search on variations of his name, but did find a few original albums; just now checked Groover's Paradise(with Cook & Clifford of Creedence, I think). It does shine a benevolent light, kind of a bar or even lounge glow, although could easily be such an establishment with a steel door and waitpersons with gang tats---or a living room equipped with electric piano, horns and other nice things. Good re-contextualizing (to some degree) of the changes from "House of the Rising Sun" on "Houston Chicks," ("are good to the men they love.")
But several fade in and out, a mite too vague, despite some good licks, on guitar and other instruments.
Do also really like the most Tex Mex-sounding one, the only instrumental, "La Cacahunta," a sympathetic ballad, "Her Dream Man Never Came," and the strong finale, "Catch Me In The Morning," when he's at his best, and won't say "the things I shouldn't say," and can best deal with "the changes you're puttin' on me." Some others may grow on me, what the heck. Glad I listened.

dow, Monday, 9 March 2015 01:10 (six years ago) link

Stephen T Erlewine ‏@sterlewine

Sir Doug & The Genuine Texas Groove isn't just the best music doc I've seen at #sxsw, it's the best music doc I've seen in years.

1:14 PM - 21 March 2015

dow, Saturday, 21 March 2015 19:28 (six years ago) link


Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 21 March 2015 20:27 (six years ago) link

Just one more from Austin tonite:

Stephen T Erlewine ‏@sterlewine

There's nothing quite like receiving your drink just as Sir Douglas Quintet starts playing on the bar's stereo.

dow, Saturday, 21 March 2015 21:50 (six years ago) link

Big Doug trib set at SXSW rat now, it seems. Must be nice...

dow, Sunday, 22 March 2015 01:39 (six years ago) link

I checked out the Sir Doug Austin City Limits performance from 1981 at my local public library.
Augie Meyers is in fine form throughout. They cover 96 Tears and You're Gonna Miss Me and play a bunch of Sir Doug hits.

Was watching the Texas Tornadoes once in Austin in the 90s and all of a sudden a scorching version of "You're Gonna Miss Me" seemed to come out of nowhere.

Where is the Brilliant Friend's Home? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 March 2015 02:06 (six years ago) link

^^That's the song he covered with his sons on the Roky tribute album. They later did "You Don't Know (How Young You Are)" on Daydreaming At Midnight, the mid-90s major label SDQ comeback album.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 22 March 2015 02:55 (six years ago) link

That xpost sxws tribute concert? As described here, purty cool (hope a recording turns up somewhere):

dow, Sunday, 22 March 2015 21:49 (six years ago) link

More who-played-what-with-whoom:

Biographical detail:

dow, Monday, 23 March 2015 04:10 (six years ago) link

Fun, informative review of the doc:

dow, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 00:05 (six years ago) link

sounds great

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 02:02 (six years ago) link

Don't think this has been posted yet:

Big Iron Shirt Wearer (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 02:44 (six years ago) link

Nor this, although I believe it was mentioned:

Big Iron Shirt Wearer (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 02:49 (six years ago) link

Okay, last one:

Big Iron Shirt Wearer (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 03:25 (six years ago) link

One of the few things to love about More American Graffiti is how Sahm's performance as bandleader doing two gigs in one night--the first at a Ballroom doing Bo Diddley by way of The Yardbirds, the other playing fiddle on Country covers in a Saloon--is a pretty accurate picture of his life from say, 1968 til the day he died.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 03:50 (six years ago) link

lol otm. xp

Big Iron Shirt Wearer (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 03:59 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

I'm sure someone has called attention to this album on ILM--Doug Sahm produced, so I'll post here.

I'd never even heard of them until they showed up in a Marcus column reprinted on The song he writes about, "I Know You Know," is indeed excellent, so I ordered a reissued CD off Amazon (cheap). At least half of it is almost as good, and there's one song, "I Don't Want to Be Seen with You," I like even more. (Great title--a somewhat loftier Ramones title.) Here's another good one:

One of the two bluesy rock songs is lousy, the other's not bad. The rest of it, highly recommended--after a couple of listens in the car, better than a number of more famous cult albums from the same era, I'd say (came out in 1970).

clemenza, Thursday, 2 March 2017 00:17 (four years ago) link

That's a good track up 'ere.

I have that CD! Terrific album. Louie Ortega was later in the Quintet, who recorded some of his songs.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 3 March 2017 21:18 (four years ago) link

I've been trying to think of good comparisons for all their great slow and mid-tempo songs...Somewhere in the vicinity of Buffalo Springfield or Moby Grape? Or these obscure early-'70s country-pop bands I was discovering when I used to download like crazy: Mason Proffit, Charley D, Cowboy, etc. Here's a Spotify link that may or may not get you to "I Don't Want to Be Seen with You" (not on YouTube):

clemenza, Friday, 3 March 2017 23:09 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

is that real? wow.

yellow is the color of some raisins (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 12:51 (three years ago) link


curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 13:41 (three years ago) link

That's why they re-located to Frisco (and Amsterdam?), I seem to semi-recall (mention of such motorvation in 70s or early 80s Creem)

dow, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 18:50 (three years ago) link

Yeah, they moved to Frisco not long afterwards directly because of that bust. Ironically, a similar incident happened in San Antonio when he moved back in the early '70s.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 19:16 (three years ago) link

I'm sure Arpaio etc. were watching his return. Wise to leave in the first instance, considering for instance the asylum alternative fate of busted Roky, and more typically re that era, "There are people still serving prison time in Texas for being busted for like a seed in the 60s"---John Belushi, ca. 1980 (I knew a guy this happened to).

dow, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 19:38 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

i mean why not just cover Keep Searchin' ?

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 14:26 (two years ago) link

Wow, it's wild to see an ILM thread about a local band! I thought for sure only we knew about them; e.g., I was pretty sure no where else did the "oldies" radio stations ever play "She's About a Mover" or "Mendocino", two songs I definitely remember listening to as a young child in the '80s via "oldies" radio (I tended to stick with whatever types of music my parents listened to until I was around 10 years old). But... y'all love the Sir Douglas Quintet, huh? I... don't mind them, actually. Even though they're one of the acts credited for creating the most god-awful "musical" "genre" of Tejano, except unlike the Tejano acts what they recorded could actually be construed as "music".

Dee the (Summer-Hating) Lurker (deethelurker), Thursday, 13 June 2019 18:23 (two years ago) link

That’s German Wikipedia obviously, but I heard these songs played as golden oldies on Dutch radio as well. “Mendocino” especially was a big hit in many European countries.

breastcrawl, Thursday, 13 June 2019 19:01 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

coming across the Complete Mercury Masters album (via a Terry Allen border music spotify playlist) and thinking I haven't been this bowled over by a compilation of a band I've never heard before since plunking down cash for that Clean Anthology when it came out

album cover is cute as hell too, I mean look at this

the burrito that defined a generation, Monday, 17 February 2020 01:05 (one year ago) link

hot damn! that's a cover. these fellas are AOK with me

the burrito that defined a generation, Monday, 17 February 2020 01:50 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

sir douglas quintet the low-key GOAT american rock band

― J. Sam, Friday, March 6, 2015 10:50 AM (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I stand by this. Marathoning the Complete Mercury Masters box today, and this is about as much fun as you can have on record

J. Sam, Friday, 16 July 2021 20:23 (two weeks ago) link

I recently rolled the dice on what looked like a rough vinyl copy of Doug Saldana on eBay (only payed around $10 w/shipping vs. $25+ 'nicer' copies go for). It turned out fine, maybe a little hissy, but a killer LP all the same.

However, the jacket has a full seam split on top, with a partial on the bottom, which seems kind of common with this album, even on 'nicer' copies. Phillips obviously not spending a lot on packaging the SDQ by then.

“Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 July 2021 21:41 (two weeks ago) link

I imagine maybe that the singles comp Sundazed put out didn't sell well enough to justify further reissues, but it's sad that you can't just walk into a good record store and pick up shiny presses of those Smash/Phillips/Mercury SDQ albums, which are way better than a lot of the 60s-70s obscure Rock stuff typically unearthed and enthused over.

“Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 July 2021 21:53 (two weeks ago) link

From blogged ballot comments in 2019. when I shoulda copied them to this thread:

Sir Douglas Quintet: The Complete Mercury Masters: Digital-only re-reissue of the CD box, so no booklet, but no collector's prices, either. Still a reeling, chugging, loose and tight, amazing body of work, wobblers and all. Almost all of it is finally on legit import CDs, (that's how long it's been since orig. releases), ones and doubles and maybe some triples, with several Acacia reissues breadcrumbing stray tracks astutely gleaned by Paul Nelson for Rough Edges (1973), the scratchy bargain bin baby which I snapped up donkey's years ago, and have never seen even as a bootleg CD---but they're allll here, together again.
Ones I've never heard before incl. 7" edits, maybe audibly a little more loosely tight than the LP versions, if it's not the power of suggestion, and the Spanish-language EP I've heard tell of: re-recordings, or maybe remixes, with somebody else singing (I read somewhere that Sahm refused to learn the lingo). I miss the yearning drive and surety of Doug, finding his way through the low-budget sonics, but the other guys put their backs in, and "Nuevo Laredo," with hammering piano x drums, is a memorable ride on a bumpy road, in the back of a pick-up road (hold on, we're goin' to town). Also this version of "It Didn't Even Bring Me Down," with a re-title that might translate as "It's the Moon's Fault." Got some learning of my own to do.
We also get Sahm or SDQ-produced tracks of Roy Head and Junior Parker, backed by Southwestern R&B ensembles--not quite combos, in my mind, considering the big, never intrusive horn sound, though it may be generated by just two or three players, in such robust clarity. Parker seems a little subtle or tentative or something at times, but "Your Bag is Bringin' Me Down" and "Movin' Out" work, and Head (whose stash also incl. "Bag") throws himself right in there from the beginning (must find that folder of hot Head tracks sent by Edd Hurt). Speaking of hot, there are a couple of Sahmesque guitar solos, on "Nuevo Laredo" and "Movin' Out."
get it here

dow, Friday, 16 July 2021 22:43 (two weeks ago) link

The Amazon link for that has changed since 2019, and if this one doesn't work by the time you see it, o people of the future, look in their Digital Music for the current connection, as I just now did (and updated it on blog). Hate to do Amazon a favor, but I haven't seen the set elsewhere (not that I've looked since 2019)

dow, Friday, 16 July 2021 22:50 (two weeks ago) link

I have the physical edition, and you're not missing too much notes-wise: 36 or so page booklet, with a fairly basic essay by Scott Schneider, track info mostly taken directly from the original album jackets, and a nice bunch of pictures.

“Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 July 2021 23:50 (two weeks ago) link

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