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Anyone here into them or bands of their ilk?

ewehorn, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

don't understand the fuss.

fields of salmon, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dunno who the Ratpure are. The Rapture I like though. Warmed over Gang of Four... I'm a sucker for it.

Yancey, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the Rapture better when they were warmed over the Cure and I don't even like the Cure.

Jack Cole, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

them and the liars and radio 4 and !!! and so on are taking quite a page from post-punk history in redoing "do the du"...but i've always thought factory and go4 and pil deserved some due. so i do like it. i'm just conflicted.

sorry for the doo doo, m.

msp, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"House Of Jealous Lovers" is the only Rapture track I know. It is much much more discofied than Gang of 4 or ACR ever were, which is one reason I like it so much - so no conflict for me.

Tom, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

they played at optimo here in glasgow last night and if it wasn't for the fact that i'd seen the boredoms the night before it would easily have been the best band i've seen all year. truly mindblowing 21st century no wave disco rock. for once, believe the hype!

stirmonster, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, they're good and all, but i CAN NOT stand the fact that they play for about 15 minutes. argh.

cybele, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

!!! are mediocre funk. Why are you calling them postpunk?

And believe the hype? Since when did The Rapture have hype?

Yancey, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to like the Rapture more, but the vocals aren't the right form of "wacky" for me. I could do without the screaming too. The EP released last year was a bit sloppy too too.

Andy K, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

rapture are more discofied. ..

yeah. ..but considering that ESG, liquid liquid, new order, shriekback, etc all served as dance (post-punk dance in my opinion) leads to some pretty serious comparitives. i was ineffectively trying to convey that whole scene, which encompasses quite a few bands.

i'm not saying don't listen. especially live, i think the rapture are fuckin amazing. so are the liars. no wave funk punk indeed!! hot damn!

!!! is post-punk solely due to the fact that the members are quite literally former (and continuing) members of punk bands and play with punk bands. were the slits not punk then? guilty by association at least.

m.

msp, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"!!! is post-punk solely due to the fact that the members are quite literally former (and continuing) members of punk bands and play with punk bands."

So you mean post-punk in a very literal way then? Does that make Wings post-British Invasion or something?

Yancey, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Rapture are boring, soft, "dance/punk" music that is neither.

The Ratpure, on the other hand, totally kick ass.

Nick A., Thursday, 18 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The EP released last year was a bit sloppy too.

A bit?!? I thought it highlighted just how important it is for Gang of Four-style post-punk to be tight, otherwise it just sounds like a big ugly mess. I did like that song "Out Of The Races And Onto The Tracks" though.

Dave M., Thursday, 18 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'Alienation' is a great song. But I think they're massively over- hyped. Some of their songs sound like Sonic Youth being put through a blender.

D., Thursday, 18 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Rapture are boring, soft, "dance/punk" music that is neither.

They were on the radio today. My housemate asked when did I star listening to Blur?

brg30, Thursday, 18 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Rapture are boring, soft, "dance/punk" music that is neither.

They were on the radio today. My housemate asked when did I start listening to Blur?

brg30, Thursday, 18 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Both "House Of Jealous Lovers" and "Olio" are fabulastic. That's all I've heard but it's enough to be impressed.

Tim, Thursday, 18 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The new single remake of "House of Jealous Lovers" (w/ Morgan Geist dub) roxxx me like a hurricane.

Douglas, Thursday, 18 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

massively over-hyped? as compared to what? The Strokes? blimey.

i think The Rapture are pretty damn fine. So for that matter are numbers (from the one cut i've heard). Give me re-fried post punk anyday.

Andrew, Thursday, 18 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

(w/ Morgan Geist dub)

YEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!!

Andy K, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I love them obv.

The original question asked 'or of that ilk' and some of the, erm, 'ilk' turned up in the LCD Soundsystem thread (or the wildbuch one - erm can't find it Tom started it last week), y'know the one.

Where was I? Oh yes, well obviously LCD are of that ilk, but who else? Are they getting, erm, 'ilked' with the electroclash folks? If so I can feel a 3hour lecture of my record buying in the early 80s coming on. While I've repeatedly commented that the Gang Of Four and the Human league were on the same lable and played gigs together because they were both part of the same thing - thats not the same as saying they are the same thing.

Another contradiction, The Rapture don't feel old, but are clearly - whats the word, not avoiding the 'i' word, its just not the right one. Lets just say I wouldn't be surprised in there is a copy of 'Contort Yourself' and 'Anthrax' in their record collections. Some (most) electroclash feels old to me - though i need a different word there as I am not meaning that pejoratively. Even my beloved Detroit Cobras and The Dirtbomns feel old in the sense Im grasping for here.

So name that ilk folks! Already sought down radio 4 (um not sure) and Erase Errata (umm, not for me thanks).

Alexander Blair, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Next to those Gang of Four records are the first five Cure albums, you know...

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well nobody's perfect.

Tom, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Boom boom!

Nicole, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Five?

Not counting the US and UK versions of the first album seperately and not counting that thing with the frog on it that came with Faith (erm, Carnage Visor?), I would say there are only four cure albums in there (ie not The Top). I just checked on Allmusic and its definately four. One of the reviews mentions 'angular' so its defintely post- punk.

Later period Cure there may be a debate but surely only the most churlishly would deny the impact and power of those four?

Alexander Blair, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

_Three Imaginary Boys_/_Boys Don't Cry_
_Seventeen Seconds_
_Faith_
_Pornography_
_Japanese Whispers_

Last one may be debatable, but the seeds are there.

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What Dan said (grr, another Cure debate to come in too late on -- and I would count "Carnage Visors," but I would).

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
I'm reviving this because "Olio" is just fantastic.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

The Rapture are kinda like Interpol for me in the sense that, well, yeah some of these songs are really nice, but only because they remind me so much of other songs by earlier bands that I like even more. Which is a slight blessing but moreso a brick wall than anything else. :-/

The Rat-Pure on the other hand are fucking amazing. Ditto to what everyone above has said about them.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm anxious to hear the album, which apparently does not have "House of Jealous Lovers" on it. (way to keep that mystique going, guys!)

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm a little lost on the appeal of "House of Jealous Lovers". I'm trying to find "Olio" now...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"Olio" is way better than "House of Jealous Lovers", particularly the acid-inflected dance version.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

which apparently does not have "House of Jealous Lovers" on it.

if this is true their label can go fuck themselves

I do think however that it is being included on a DFA compilation.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan Perry in a likes-the-Cure-soundalike better shockah!

ESOJ, I gathered that the album is closer to "Olio" in nature so they decided not to disrupt its sound. I do hope there's a comp soon, though.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw the Rapture last week & once again they've seemed to make another quantum leap from the previous time I saw them (which would be a mere five months ago, in this case). There seems to be plenty more where the Olio remix and House of Jealous Lovers came from, so here's hoping that the album does indeed come out in April, as has been reported. If you can listen to the last two singles and pinpoint exactly where they're ripping all of their ideas from, then I suppose you can do the same thing for "Screamadelica" (I'll spot you George Michael for free). If you need "Jealous Lovers" on CD and can't wait for the DFA 12" comp, there's a promo CD version (same tracks) that the band's been flogging. Happy hunting...

R. Lim, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't Olio over four years old now?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

RATPURE!

dave q, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I thought the story was that the Ratpure were languishing on SubPop and DFA saved them and produced the HOJL 12", which is why Olio sounds nothing like how they sound now. Or something.

So anyone ever heard the pre-Rapture project the Calculators?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

HAVE YOU, Aaron W?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I want a copy (CDR even!) of the Insound tour support CD. Anyone want to make a trade for something?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe, Andy K!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, "Olio" was first on Mirror, and that version is better than the 12"... the love here confuses me, unless yalls talking about the original version.

I have not heard the Calculators, but I'm guessing it's not too great, since Mirror, by and large, blows. But spill it, Aaron!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

If you check the Rapture site on dfarecords.com, you'll see the old news update from August 2002 that says that both "House of Jealous Lovers" and "Olio" will be on the full length when it comes out.. so's you know...

tinobeat (tinobeat), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Both the original and the remix are great, Yanc3y.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Re: Calculators. No they're good... in my past life when I ran a label I put out a 10" by them. Sounded a bit like the Faint in a good sort of way. Anyway, drummer split to join keyboardist/guitarist (who had already quit the Calculators by the time I put out the 10") to form the Ratpure. I think there were like 300-400 of those 10"s sold... I have three left.

I like the Morgan Geist remix of HOJL the best (does anyone else???).

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the Morgan Geist remix of HOJL the best (does anyone else???).

Maybe, Aaron W!

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

to quote a great (fictional) T shirt I saw in Chunklet fanzine: "Gang of 4 Is Not A Genre, A$$holes!"

roger adultery, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 07:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Ratpure are touring in the next couple months! Yay.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 7 March 2003 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"Gang of 4 Is Not A Genre, A$$holes!"

ehheh genius!
rapture however r dud

schnell schnell, Friday, 7 March 2003 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread is the reason why whenever I hear "rapture" I autocorrect in my minds to "ratpure." "thanks," ilm

w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 21 May 2011 19:47 (nine years ago) link

i listened to the tiefschwarz remix of "sister saviour" today, it's still good

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, 21 May 2011 19:49 (nine years ago) link

the ratpure

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 21 May 2011 19:52 (nine years ago) link

what will happen to those Beliebers still alive when Christ returns...they will be ratpured

w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 21 May 2011 19:59 (nine years ago) link

my favourite song by the ratpure is mouse of jealous lovers. sorry.

spellcheck is really advanced these days (cajunsunday), Sunday, 22 May 2011 21:19 (nine years ago) link

ha ha

the man who forsook his wife for fap fap fap (sic), Monday, 23 May 2011 00:07 (nine years ago) link

these guys should hurry up and release an album already

billstevejim, Monday, 23 May 2011 03:37 (nine years ago) link

Ask and ye shall receive.

For Immediate Release: 23/05/11

New York, NY: The Rapture have announced the release details for their long awaited third album ‘InThe Grace Of Your Love’ on September 5th in the UK & September 6th in the US through DFA Records.

The release of ‘In The Grace Of Your Love’ marks the dawn of a new chapter in the bands history and a welcome return to DFA Records family, having re-signed with the label that released some of their most acclaimed early singles, and whose founders James Murphy & Tim Goldsworthy produced their debut album ‘Echoes’.

Together with French producer Phillipe Zdar (Phoenix, Beastie Boys, Chromeo) they have crafted and shaped a bold & euphoric album that sounds definitively & distinctly like The Rapture and no one else. Here through the course of its eleven tracks, you can immerse yourself as waves of lyrical optimism & introspection crash between angular guitars & pulsing synthesizers, pounding drums & into sweet rhythmical lullabies. This is the sound of The Rapture re-engaged and revitalized with a voice as clear as they ever had.

The full tracklisting is as follows:

In The Grace Of Your Love

1) Sail Away

2) Miss You

3) Blue Bird

4) Come Back to Me

5) In the Grace of Your Love

6) Never Gonna Die Again

7) Roller Coaster

8) Children

9) Can You Find a Way?

10) How Deep Is Your Love?

11) It Takes Time to Be a Man

In The Grace Of Your Love was recorded at Motorbass, Paris and Gary's Electric in Greenpoint, Brooklyn.

Good to see the guitars are still being described as "angular". The publicist worked hard on that one.

cool

skot gigz - moombah pimpin' (The Reverend), Monday, 23 May 2011 19:42 (nine years ago) link

i really hope the timing of that press release was intentional

the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Monday, 23 May 2011 20:02 (nine years ago) link

I'm sure it was!

I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Monday, 23 May 2011 20:03 (nine years ago) link

they looked at google over the weekend and were like "hey, we're trending!"

dmr, Monday, 23 May 2011 20:05 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Is it just me or is the chorus to "How Deep Is Your Love?" v.close to Sisqo's "Thong Song"?

etc, Saturday, 18 June 2011 22:00 (nine years ago) link

ETC OTM

J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 22:08 (nine years ago) link

it's kind of hilarious

song is also the shit tho

J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 22:08 (nine years ago) link

if you're gonna bite a hook you could do A LOT worse than the "thong song"

J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 June 2011 22:08 (nine years ago) link

Oh, totally - it's a great hook, and lends itself to anguish/ecstasy. V.Sisqo year with this + platinum blonde guy from Game of Thrones' "wake the dragon" mantra scannning as "I know you don't really wanna / Unleash the dragon" w/my friends, heh.

etc, Saturday, 18 June 2011 23:43 (nine years ago) link

wow yeah, that is.....not a coincidence.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 19 June 2011 00:00 (nine years ago) link

i can't tell whats going on in this rapture song on laptop speakers

call all destroyer, Sunday, 19 June 2011 00:01 (nine years ago) link

it is surprisingly great tho...real male diva vibes from luke

LocalGarda, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:25 (nine years ago) link

they looked at google over the weekend and were like "hey, we're trending!"

― dmr, Monday, 23 May 2011 20:05 (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Does anybody remember when ILX used to notify you if a thread got posted to?

Maybe theirs still works!

Mark G, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:37 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

It really *does* sound like The Thong Song!

Matt DC, Monday, 8 August 2011 09:11 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

thx for the link

I like "How Deep Is Your Love" but not really feeling most of the rest of this. dude's new singing style is taking some getting used to, when I heard the single I thought it was a totally different person.

dmr, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:18 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...

"It Takes Time To Be a Man" went right by me when I listened to this before but it's kinda great?

dmr, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:48 (eight years ago) link

yeah that song is amazing

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:50 (eight years ago) link

someone put it on a mix and I was like this is good, who is this, some neo-soul white guy? Mayer Hawthorne? oh shit it's the Rapture

dmr, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:51 (eight years ago) link

i only have 4 songs off the new album (sail away, title track, how deep, it takes time) but they are all excellent.

mizzell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:57 (eight years ago) link

they were good live when i saw them a month ago too

mizzell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:58 (eight years ago) link

I will never not be laughing @ "The Ratpure"

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:47 (eight years ago) link

I made sure to find this thread specifically to bump

dmr, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:53 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

RIP bros, good times.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 9 March 2014 02:31 (six years ago) link

did see them back in December at the Bowery and really enjoyed the show. Of course they followed the completely obnoxious LCD Soundsystem

ha i was a gd idiot 10 years ago. that was a good show but LCD is way better than these dudes

condo associations are people my friend (will), Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:49 (six years ago) link

also maybe my first ilx post. wtf am i doing w/ my life

condo associations are people my friend (will), Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:50 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

^^^really good read imho

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:12 (one year ago) link

Isolating highly pure rat spermatogonial stem cells in culture.
Hamra FK1, Chapman KM, Wu Z, Garbers DL.
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Methods are detailed for isolating highly pure populations of spermatogonial stem cells from primary cultures of testis cells prepared from 22- to 24-day-old rats. The procedure is based on the principle that testicular somatic cells bind tightly to plastic and collagen matrices when cultured in serum-containing medium, whereas spermatogonia and spermatocytes do not bind to plastic or collagen when cultured in serum-containing medium. The collagen-non-binding testis cells obtained using these procedures are thus approx. 97% pure spermatogenic cells. Stem spermatogonia are then easily isolated from the purified spermatogenic population during a short incubation step in culture on laminin matrix. The spermatogenic cells that bind to laminin are more than 90% undifferentiated, type A spermatogonia and are greatly enriched in genetically modifiable stem cells that can develop into functional spermatozoa. This method does not require flow cytometry and can also be applied to obtain enriched cultures of mouse spermatogonial stem cells. The isolated spermatogonia provide a highly potent and effective source of stem cells that have been used to initiate in vitro and in vivo culture studies on spermatogenesis.

sarahell, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:26 (one year ago) link

http://www.self-titledmag.com/2018/10/03/luke-jenner-interview-the-rapture-meditation-tunnel🕸/


That wás a really good read, thanks for the link!

willem, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 17:58 (one year ago) link

Brilliant read, thx. Never cared that much about Rapture but the codependency childhood story really resonates. Glad to see he made it to the other side

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:42 (one year ago) link

yeah same. loved some of their singles but not really a fan of the albums. that was an awesome interview though. cool to see a musician so into being a Dad. also the stuff re: James Murphy matches up with what I've heard about him.

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:51 (one year ago) link

That's a pretty amazing interview.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:27 (one year ago) link

Cool to hear that these guys have reunited since that interview. Pretty much with frogbs that their best moments are excellent, even if the albums are patchy

Vinnie, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:55 (one year ago) link

saw them last night. still one of the best live bands I've ever seen. Like most bands, they should never play a space larger than where I saw them last night. They were amazing, the crowd lost their shit, the various phases/sounds they've played with blended great, and even stuff that I like the least on the albums sounded totally killer live and loud. Amazing energy, great show.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:40 (one year ago) link

can't believe I haven't posted on this thread before?

dan selzer, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:42 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

I WAS THERE!

21 years ago at the SFSU Caesar Chavez Student Center next to the dorms, opening with this GO4 cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf8trAog_5Q

might be one of their first shows after the Gravity single?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 17 October 2020 18:38 (one week ago) link

the Ratpure at Caesar Chavez Student Center -- or the Rapture at Cesar Chavez Student Center?

I was in grad school there at the time, did not see this.

sarahell, Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:44 (one week ago) link

Do not fret, there were not many people there, perhaps one other ilx0r besides myself.

8/4/99 The Dialectic, Casiotone For The Painfully Alone, Subtonix, The Rapture

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:18 (one week ago) link

lol some of my friends were in Subtonix (didn't know them at the time tho)

sarahell, Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:39 (one week ago) link

Sutbonix

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Sunday, 18 October 2020 04:21 (six days ago) link


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