Search and Destroy : Julian Cope

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never paid him much attention musically - liked the docu on standing stones and his interviews though 'Im mad me' was getting lame - liked the flying jacket - what have I been missing - is he worthy of my attention - has he done better stuff than Ian McCulloch - I liked the gold on blue cassette case - help me ?

Geordie Racer, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is this a SEARCH AND DESTROY question?

the pinefox, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search - dunno ?

Destroy - dunno ?

Ramblin' man, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

search:

Jehovahkill

World Shut Your Mouth

Saint Julian

both volumes of biography.

Destroy:

Autogeddon

Interpreter

He was once a total hero of mine, but I'm finding his act rather irritating of late, I must admit. Still, he's one of the good guys IMO, and his website's pretty good too.

x0x0

norman fay, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search : "Peggy Suicide"

Destroy :"Autogeddon" and "20 Mothers"

Dr. C, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Once upon a time, the man was capable of pristine pop greatness and twisted-id freakout bliss but all bets are off these days. Has anyone heard his new glam metal project, Brain Donor?

In any event,

SEARCH: PEGGY SUICIDE - Not only my very favorite album of Julian's, but one of my favorite albums of all time. It came out of left field at the ass end of the 80's to usher in a new "phase" of J.Cope that was both musically more adventurous and conceptually focussed. Brilliant from start to finish. As a second, SAINT JULIAN's polished pop represents his leather-clad narcissistic phase at its zenith, not least for the singles, "World Shut Your Mouth" and "Trampolene."

DESTROY: I can't say "everything since PEGGY SUICIDE," as that would be an easy, knee-jerk reaction, but it's tempting. Despite isolated tracks ("Fear Loves this Place," "Upwards at 45 Degrees," the simply sublime "Try Try Try," "Highway to the Sun"), but overall the albums have really dipped in the quality department, AUTOGEDDON being the worst offender to these ears. His last "proper" album, INTERPRETTER didn't do him any favors either. His grasp on sanity seems a bit more tenuous again these days, although that makes for amusing reading at the very least. His monthly bulletins on his website (www.headheritage.com) are always good for a laugh. Bless'im.

Alex in Nyc, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search -- _Peggy Suicide_, the autobiographies, _World Shut Your Mouth_, _Fried_. And various other goodies.

Destroy -- _My Nation Underground_ was a *dreadful* mistake...

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: 'Krautrocksampler: One Head's Guide to the Great Kosmishce Musik-1968 Onwards'

Destroy: 'Reward' -The Teardrop Explodes - Suddenly and inexplicably popular on BCC trailers, sports clips etc.

Andrew, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

SEARCH- Jehovahkill. It's a difficult album to push on anyone who loves singles, but i adore this album. And yep, it's one of my all-time favorites by anyone. It feels like Autogeddon (it grew on me) and 20 Mothers(lots of cool singles?) are being "destroyed" more than i would expect, but oh well...

DESTROY- My Nation Underground. Yucko. Find Interpreter overproduced, but can live with it. I'm also afraid of Brain Donor, yet will purchase it anyway, as it might be so spectacularly bad that it will be great somehow.

badger, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

search - books.
destroy -records.
His "Head Heritage" website is pretty good, I've just been looking at that...excellent Sir Lord Baltimore & (attn. A. Palmer) Montrose reviews.

duane zarakov, Sunday, 29 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

four months pass...
Search - Jehovakill is the most pristine realisation of Cope's to date IMO. Destroy - pre-emptive Brain Donor critiques! I saw them play London at the Cornucopea weekend, if you can't rock then don't wear the frock. Watch out for them, they'll rock some bootie. And don't take life too seriously, "it's just a ride" (Bill Hicks).

morfe, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search : the truth ... Cope in every incarnation has excelled at what he has tried to achieve (MNU excepted). The new strains of Brain Donor are too 'true', too 'real' for a lot of people. For me it's some of the best. Everything is worth having ... most of it sublime beyond limits that other artists fail to approach.

Destroy: My Nation Underground

I say to Julian .... Ride On !!!

Tom FourWinds, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dunno what to destroy, but search "Reynard the Fox" whatever you do.

Captain Swing aka King Penda, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: having fans who write just like you! I have tons of time for Julian Cope actually - I was disappointed by the autobiographies, a little, but "Krautrocksampler" was a massive mind-bomb, and great fun to agree/disagree with when you start getting into the music (Amon Duul II better than Amon Duul I?? Julian, you rockist!!)

Long may he continue to entertain. Good value live too and when the records were good they were sublime.

Tom, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

What, my pseudonyms?

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh crikey, I was being ironic in emulating the Cope mans literary slang. Forgive me for I have sinned, Awl right.

Destroy: That bloody endless Mellotron two chord solo.

Morfe, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
search: http://www.headheritage.co.uk/

destroy: the non-believers.... jus' kiddin'

seriously, julian is something you have to wrap your mind around to understand the whole trip... a very accessable bloke as well. top shelf, my fave.

ron, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Search: Fried, Peggy Suicide, Jehovahkill, Interpreter, and all the books

Destroy: My Nation Underground, Saint Julian, Autogeddon

Bill Drummond Said: "Julian Cope's vast talent has never been stretched ... Nobody who has worked with him has had the bollocks to tell him, 'Julian, it's a load of shite, go back and do it properly' ... To have that sort of talent and waste it is a crime against creation."

Ramrod Newell, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I have long wondered why, after buying Autogeddon, I was never much compelled to explore the rest of Julian's backcatalogue. Now I guess I know...

Tim, Sunday, 27 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
Search: all the stuff. Destroy: all the rest

Carlos Lopes, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Why hasn't anyone said that he is one of the sexiest men in the history of pop? Well, I think so.

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I've always fancied orange blokes with blue faces ...

Ramrod Newell, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

a fake. bill drummond is the genius in the whole julian cope story. search out bill drummond and then slap him.

doomie, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

bill drummond is the genius in the whole julian cope story
Oh, come on Paul!! You should listen to "Jehovakill", it is awesome, as is "Saint Julian" and "Fried". Certainly 1000x better than any of the KLF's k-lame farting around!

Norman Phay, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Julian Cope is on the Mark Radcliffe show on Radio 2 NOW

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/radcliffe/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

as was an old colleague of mine from years back, he was the one who picked the wrong Echo and the bunnymen track, and I really want to get in touch with him but he's proving ungoogleable :o(

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm going to see him on the 25th with MarkH, and I'm quite psyched about it, despite not knowing anythign by him apart from the big singles. I need a best of or something.

Has anyone seen him play recently? Any good?

Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link

It's interesting how he started off as Kevin Ayers and ended up as Daevid Allen

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Personally, that Floored Genius collection is enough for me. But definitely check out headheritage.com - time well wasted!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Julian Cope is talking to Stuart Maconie NOW on 6 Music

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone listening to The Freak Zone?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Bill Drummond Said: "Julian Cope's vast talent has never been stretched ... Nobody who has worked with him has had the bollocks to tell him, 'Julian, it's a load of shite, go back and do it properly' ... To have that sort of talent and waste it is a crime against creation."

Genius squanders. It's a well known fact.

Autogeddon is fab.

john clarkson, Sunday, 17 October 2004 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Zoology is great --- new comp of Teardrop Explodes odds n ends/BBC/live stuff, sold on Head Heritage website. Julian's autobiography is a fascinating read too.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Sunday, 17 October 2004 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.headheritage.co.uk/

seth, Monday, 18 October 2004 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Search: All Teardrop Explodes except _Everybody wants to shag..._ but including the surprisingly good snippets-record _Piano_. _Saint Julian_ and _The Skellington Chronicles_. _Floored Genius 1_. The amazing _World Shut Your Mouth_ 12" with covers of "Non-alignment pact" and "I've got levitation." "Someone like me" off the otherwise eehh _My Nation Underground_. From the more recent, more druidic records: "Try Try Try". "I Gotta Walk."

Destroy: There is little I would literally destroy but much that I never listen to: _Floored Genius 2_ and everything from _My Nation Underground_ onward.

Guayaquil, Monday, 3 January 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Teardrop Explodes - Kilimanjaro album -seconded The best use of horns I have ever heard and the drummer is insanely great. Also the version of Love without the Looks is waaaayy better than Echo and the Bunnymen's version
World Shut Your Mouth also

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 3 January 2005 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Copey live. Whenever I've seen him in recent years he's spent almost as much time on between-song banter as playing the songs, and without exception it was flipping great. Clever, funny, and mad as a hatter. He's playing down the road next week and I'll be there.

Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Monday, 3 January 2005 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Jehovahkill somewhat.

Triple Ho, Monday, 3 January 2005 02:00 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

oh dear

Alex in NYC, Friday, 16 October 2009 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Incredibly giant version: http://www.thewire.co.uk/images.php?imageID=2779

His hair is bad.

God loves Helvetica.

from alcoholism to fleshly concerns (contenderizer), Friday, 16 October 2009 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I am not a fan of Cope's music, but I can't help but admire the man. He always makes me smile. I love his purple prose writings.

I notice the Wire describes how he took two acid tabs to celebrate (or get over) his 50th birthday. He took a dose of salvia this past summer ("the doors it opened took a very long time to close again"). As a result of which he has temporarily stopped driving his car: "he says he saw a wasp on the windscreen and tried to squash it with his finger, and inadvertently poked a hole right through the glass".

I didn't think the effects of salvia were that extreme.

Duke, Friday, 16 October 2009 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link

he's starting to look like Don Bolles

dan, Friday, 16 October 2009 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3043/2815187723_7b229622f6.jpg

dan, Friday, 16 October 2009 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

A lot of posters seem to respect the man but slight the music. Which is fine, but I love the music to death. Sure, he's terribly uneven, but I'm a sucker for unadorned guitar pop perfection, and most everything he's released contains a couple classics (kinda like Robyn Hitchcock or GBV/Pollard in that sense). Seek the Julian Cope EP (w/ "World Shut Your Mouth"), Fried and Peggy Suicide for starters. And work out from there. A few favorites:

Reynard the Fox
Bill Drummond Said
Sunspots
Elegant Chaos
Head Hang Low
World Shut Your Mouth
Warwick the Kingmaker
Spacehopper
Jellypop Perky Jean
Hanging Out and Hung Up On the Line
Safesurfer
Head
Upwards at 45 Degrees
The Tower
Don't Call Me Mark Chapman
s*t*a*r*c*a*r
Senile Git

from alcoholism to fleshly concerns (contenderizer), Friday, 16 October 2009 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

And the Citizen Cain'd LP (I no) is pretty goddam great, as far as heavy-duty Stooges/High-Rise worship goes.

from alcoholism to fleshly concerns (contenderizer), Friday, 16 October 2009 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I really like the album "Interpreter". Maybe it's unfair to call it his Brit-pop album, but it does have some musical and production similarities with other albums of the time, like "Different Class" or "Denim on Ice". It's eclectic, well produced pop music that is very seductive because of the idiocyncratic author and some more interesting influences than most pop records at the time.

everything, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

A lot of posters seem to respect the man but slight the music.

I realise that I wrote above that I'm "not a fan of his music". That was rather sloppy of me. I should have said that I've not yet gotten to know his music. I actually reckon he'd be right up my alley. So thanks for the recommendations. The Citizen Cain'd LP especially sounds perfect.

Duke, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

He played a couple of solo shows in Italy last week and I'm told they were beautiful affairs (friend band Father Murphy supported him in Rome).
Cope on acoustic guitar, casiotone and piano, a lot of old and new favourites, including Teardrop Explodes stuff like You Disappear From View.

Screaming Secrets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysbtAOtF-w8

Pristeen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj5tizDPubg&feature=related

Marco Damiani, Saturday, 17 October 2009 08:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Citizen Cain'd is great. It includes two brilliant lengthy songs in a kind of perfected heavy ecstatic Neil Young vein: "I Will Be Absorbed" and "Feels Like A Crying Shame".

Contenderizer OTM- his every record has duds, but his way with a killer hook is too seldom noted.

im Haus der Lols (Jon Lewis), Monday, 19 October 2009 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, in my link I mentioned the CMJ and modern rock chart hits ("Charlotte Anne" hit #1).

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 17:03 (five years ago) link

Yeah, the sort of subdued psych aspect of Charlotte Anne is what made me buy My Nation Underground back then!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 17:09 (five years ago) link

Not that I would have described it that way then, probably more like "this has that same weirdness the Legendary Pink Dots exhibit"

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 17:10 (five years ago) link

I bought St. Julian on the strength of a newspaper review and goddamn if it wasn't the most amazing thing I'd ever heard -- both just like the classic rock I was listening to and also totally not -- it rewired me

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 19:49 (five years ago) link

he is absolutely one of the greats (imago canon)

imago, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:27 (five years ago) link

Teardrop Explodes at the time were Duran Duran level huge in the UK, no? He was pop pinup for sure.

neither he nor the teardrops were ever really household names.

new noise, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:30 (five years ago) link

When "Try try try" came out, I got a postcard from "KAK' promotions from Julian Cope basically bigging it up excitedly. I was more "Hey, its nice but aren't you more out-there than this?"

(I didn't write back, that's not what I mean)

Anyway, he did do TOTP. with Try*3 and he looked happy doing it. I think it was the last time he did the pop single hit thing, but hey.

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:41 (five years ago) link

Planetary Sit-In seems like another stab at it

PaulTMA, Thursday, 24 August 2017 00:56 (five years ago) link

Anyway, he did do TOTP. with Try*3 and he looked happy doing it

Little did I know!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 24 August 2017 03:52 (five years ago) link

Planetary Sit-In is more spacey-hippy-dude than upfront poppy; the Interpreter album overall is pretty accessible though!

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 24 August 2017 03:59 (five years ago) link

Well I for one remember hearing it on the radio and thinking it was going to be a bigger hit than it was. Definitely sounds to me like he had a hit single mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd5Fmb17jjY

PaulTMA, Thursday, 24 August 2017 13:03 (five years ago) link

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PaulTMA, Thursday, 24 August 2017 13:03 (five years ago) link

I bought St. Julian on the strength of a newspaper review and goddamn if it wasn't the most amazing thing I'd ever heard -- both just like the classic rock I was listening to and also totally not -- it rewired me

― Guayaquil (eephus!),

otm – and I only heard it a decade ago

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 August 2017 13:15 (five years ago) link

Check out the CD version, "Radio Sit-in". Very daft.

Mark G, Thursday, 24 August 2017 14:00 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

... and in a cabinet close to the exit an arrangement of football shirts with green-and-white hoops: Glasgow’s Celtic FC, of course. Like Edinburgh’s Hibernian, Celtic FC came into being during the late 1880s, in celebration of Scotland’s ancient Irish roots.

... if you ever needed definitive proof that Julian Cope had long ago lost his marbles.

High profile Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 15:55 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Has anyone heard the Vesuvio album? Apparently this was a real album fleshed out from a fictional band mentioned in one of his books, a guitar drone record with Stephen O'Malley and Slomo's Holy McGrail.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 23:32 (one week ago) link

https://www.headheritage.co.uk/merchandiser/item/TRCD06/

At least one track on SoubdCloud, CD still available. I skipped it, I'm not down with his sludge metal stuff.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 02:23 (one week ago) link

Yeah I saw it was still available on his site, honestly more interested because of O'Malley than Cope himself, though I am a sucker for fictional albums fleshed out to become real things (cf Fucked Up).

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:07 (one week ago) link

I keep buying his new albums, but the returns... are diminishing. Wish he would actually try and record a proper album in a studio again with like a band and a producer.

There's rumors of a big Teardrop Explodes box set this year, though. Which could be fun.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:16 (one week ago) link

Would it be fair to say he's not released a properly worthwhile album since Interpreter

imago, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:23 (one week ago) link

I mean, John Balance Enters Valhalla was fun I guess

imago, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:24 (one week ago) link

Citizen Cain’d is song-based and fantastic

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 28 January 2023 18:15 (one week ago) link

yeah but that was eighteen years and seven albums ago

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 28 January 2023 18:45 (one week ago) link

Yeah he honestly lost me around the turn of the millennium. I liked the Head Heritage music discussions for a good stretch there but eventually drifted away.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 January 2023 18:48 (one week ago) link

I really like Revolutionary Suicide

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:06 (one week ago) link

Like the last decade has been interesting but in a pinch I'd still rather hear even My Nation Underground

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:07 (one week ago) link

i saw JC live a few days after MNU had been released.
the hardcore fans at the front were singing along to one of the tracks, and JC said : 'how do you know the words !?'
of course the best part of the gig was when he went absolutely mad during the Reynard The Fox.
the venue, (Leeds Univerity Refectory), had this balcony, so during the instrumental section, he climbed up the speaker stack, got onto the balcony, and than ran all over the place.
gets to the central section of the balcony and leans over and starts shouting/singing re reynard.
it was one of the best gigs i had ever seen.

has MNU ever been reissued ?

mark e, Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:17 (one week ago) link

Nah, Cope hates it and is unlikely to revisit in with a deluxe edition or whatever... I guess Island could do it without him.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:25 (one week ago) link

thats what i thought.
not heard it in years as i bought it on cassette.

mark e, Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:28 (one week ago) link

I too own My Nation Underground on cassette, and I love it! Had no idea JC was not into it but we all have our quirks.

Playing it now. Is that... a vibraslap on 5 O'Clock World???

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:54 (one week ago) link

It's an excellent album - title track and Charlotte Anne esp.

(A weird comparison to make as they're nothing alike musically but in terms of discography replacement/neglect it's sorta Julian's The Burning World)

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 29 January 2023 05:05 (one week ago) link

Interpreter is exactly where I stopped with my Cope collection.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:58 (one week ago) link

I don't want to go too hard on the post-Interpreter era because I really do love some of it (the drone trilogy Queen Elizabeth, Odin, and Woden for example) but really how do you top a run of albums like Peggy Suicide -> Jehovahkill -> Autogeddon -> 20 Mothers -> Interpreter?

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:22 (one week ago) link

With the two Teardrops Albums + World Shut Your Mouth + Fried + St. Julian but that's just me

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:24 (one week ago) link

“I will be absorbed by the river” and “feels like a cryin shame” are as good as anything he ever did

But as pointed out, citizen cain’d was a long time ago too

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:28 (one week ago) link

And in the days of LP those two songs could have made a whole album almost

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:29 (one week ago) link

Peggy Suicide -> Jehovahkill -> Autogeddon -> 20 Mothers -> Interpreter

I mean, this was exactly the run where I first dipped my toes in, but yeah... such a fantastic run.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:31 (one week ago) link

Which is to say I understand CC has its share of filler but the core is v v nugatory

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:32 (one week ago) link

Peggy Suicide -> Jehovahkill -> Autogeddon -> 20 Mothers -> Interpreter?

There should be a name for this era. When he became full archdruid making fantastic multihued earth-conscious concept records but still had hit albums and hit singles. It's the period I've always been the biggest fan of.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:32 (one week ago) link

yeah, it's like the era of overlap between his pop star and drude phases

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:39 (one week ago) link

It's like the opposite of Abacab-era Genesis

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:55 (one week ago) link

(aka the best era of Genesis)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:55 (one week ago) link

I too own My Nation Underground on cassette, and I love it! Had no idea JC was not into it but we all have our quirks.

lol I saw this thread in SNA and I thought, I'm going to post about how I regularly put on my cassette copy of My Nation Underground while putting away laundry ... and yeah! It's really fucking good!

sarahell, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:24 (one week ago) link

xp that is indeed the best era of Genesis

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:25 (one week ago) link

I gotta say there is one blemish in that imperial drude phase and its name is autogeddon

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 20:12 (one week ago) link

Hey wait is “Charlotte Anne” a pun on “charlatan”?

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 5 February 2023 16:32 (yesterday) link

Sure is. (Or at least I have always assumed it was.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 5 February 2023 18:07 (yesterday) link

I gotta say there is one blemish in that imperial drude phase and its name is autogeddon

― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 20:12 (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

but it rules

imago, Sunday, 5 February 2023 18:11 (yesterday) link

I like the song where he brains a fucker but it’s mostly dud for me

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 6 February 2023 01:28 (eight hours ago) link

Autogeddon is kind of crucial in two different sequences of Copework - it's a self-consciously "minor" album after Peggy and Jehovah, keeping a similar crew of regular players and ambitious songwriting, but with less production and more focused themes to the writing - which paves the way for the similar restricted instrumentation and non-fussy production of 20 Mothers - which broadly takes a more positive approach to themes than the 'hovakill->'geddon sequence, and continues up to the outright "fuck it, pop star!" vibe of Interpreter. (The sonic approach of Autogeddon also suits the lyrical concept, ofc.)

But it's also the culmination of an extremely minimal detour with Rite and Skellington 2 - it works as a final chapter in that trilogy, as a bridge back to fully-arranged songs, or as a grounding/reset after the two major-label double-albums.

more crankable (sic), Monday, 6 February 2023 02:07 (seven hours ago) link


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