Shabazz Palaces - Most important musical group/moment in Seattle since Nirvana at OK Hotel?

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Some people seem to think that Shabazz Palaces recent debut live show was a legendary performance that will go down in history as one of the most important musical moments in Seattle history. I really like a few of their tracks, especially the one that shamelessly rips Bootsy Collins. Do musicians sue anymore? Seems like Bootsy has some duckets coming his way from this track. Anyway, what do you think? Are they really special/unique/game changing like some people say or is it just the dude from Digable Planets making backpack hip hop for white kids into indie rock?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fueaDkmczg ,<- Live on KEXP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pSUfl37y3Q <- A Mess, aka I'd Rather Be With You track

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 21:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

LOL

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 22:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

There honestly was an incredibly charged atmosphere at that show, like this has the potential to blow up something huge. Can't speak to how it compares to Nirvana, Ok Hotel '91. (btw, who are you, brotherlovesdub?)

fucking in the streets, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 22:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like the video to belhaven meridian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZKPaSF0GE

and the artwork and bullshit story here is kind of endearing, but neither are quite enough for me to dig any deeper.

zvookster, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 22:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

can we clear up who "some people" are w/r/t the LOLthread title

♖♕♖ (am0n), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 22:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

i pulled out the Cherrywine cd and have been listening to that a bit lately. the whole 'important' thing is pretty lame. this might be good but it'll go nowhere.

jaxon, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 22:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think they call'em legends 'cause it's how we mark the time.

lol where did he steal this line from, that's a good 'un

shake hands with Gongo? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

also yeah jaxon OTM nothing's "important" anymore

shake hands with Gongo? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

There honestly was an incredibly charged atmosphere at that show, like this has the potential to blow up something huge. Can't speak to how it compares to Nirvana, Ok Hotel '91. (btw, who are you, brotherlovesdub?)

― fucking in the streets, Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:12 PM Bookmark

pithfork (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 23:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

indeed. sorted that one out off-thread.

fucking in the streets, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 23:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Was he in the next cubicle or two over?

pithfork (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 23:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was not but I do know how to contact Fucking In The Streets via email.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 23:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

I decided to go ahead and purchase the 2 cds on their webpage and received download links to both albums as a bonus. They offer just the downloads for $9.99 and the CD's w/ a patch for $14.99. I'm assuming i'll be able to sell these to a Seattle Central Freshman in the year 2020 for approximately one million dollars since this is the most important band to come from Seattle since Nirvana. Jimi Hendrix, Nirvana, Shabazz. Makes sense to me.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

as far as pseudonymous people on the internet go, you don't exactly shroud yourself in mystery so the inquisition was a bit weird.

anyway i guess you ride for these guys? the "belhaven meridian" vid was a highlight of last year fro me mainly for the gorgeous black and white, and the Killer of Sheep ref (just saw that movie in a new print last year), and the seasick inversion. didn't fall in love with the music but did feel the infectious "that's what's up" refrain and the marimba sounding coda and the way it sounds cut from a larger thing of musical directions that're different but all of a piece.

but that larger thing wasn't what i was in the mood for when i came across it, having just used my bohemian quotient up listening to the Mos Def album, which, though not similar in sound, does wander around different ideas and struck me as half-assed and out-of-focus. still passing on investigating Shabazz Palaces more for now.

zvookster, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

what're you going to sew your patches onto?

zvookster, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hadn't heard about this project (although I am familiar with Ishmael Butler, obv). Sounds good. Sounds like the discourse around them, as such exists, is entirely eyeroll-worthy.

pugwant (The Reverend), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is the Bootsy bite just that little, three-note guitar flourish? or the "yeah"? I'm not hearing like a litigation-worthy debt here, although my standards are likely different than Bootsy's.

fucking in the streets, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RG8k2WPw0

No, basically the entire Shabazz track is constructed from samples / loops lifted directly from I'd Rather Be With You.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

geez gotta be the first time someone's ever ripped off a p-funk track eh

shake hands with Gongo? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

not at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxY___mqgZw

jaxon, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

On closer inspection, I wouldn't say 'entire track' but there are plenty of bits of I'd Rather Be With You in A Mess...

Interestingly, the mp3s I just downloaded didn't have A Mess... on them so perhaps they're/he's aware of the potential litigation.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

tbh, maybe it's the shitty cell phone recording, but i don't hear the bootsy sample at all in that clip. just sounds like muddy drums and vocals

jaxon, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.amazon.com/Shabazz-Palaces/dp/B002EOUPC8

Check it on on this Amazon mp3 link. Track 7.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 00:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Most independent-label hiphop acts don't bother clearing their samples unless they are aiming for mainstream success.

pugwant (The Reverend), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 01:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

based on the video posted upthread, I'm actually really digging the vibe of this. exactly what I wanted to hear right now, but didn't know it.

might check out the albums if/when I stop being broke. I think they'd go well with the weed I also plan to buy if/when etc

I got gin but I'm not a ginger (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 04:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm listening to the album right now and it's great. I wish I'd known about it sooner. Sounds kind of like if The Bug was American.

pugwant (The Reverend), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 05:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

has anyone on this thread heard the Cherrywine album? because according to this thread, not that many people have. i really like it btw

Cherrywine - Digable frontman goes solo - how is it?

jaxon, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 06:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nope. Has Ish done anything other than DPs/Cherrywine/Shabazz Palaces?

pugwant (The Reverend), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 06:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll search out that Cherrywine cd.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 19:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I kept an eye out for that Cherrywine thing but never came across it. love love the second Digables album especially, myself. this sounds okay but earth-shattering...? eh, I dunno. clips upthread are pretty inaudible.

shake hands with Gongo? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 19:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Critical consensus around these parts of the cubicles is that Cherrywine was wack.

fucking in the streets, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 19:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like what I hear of this so far

pithfork (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 19:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

fuck a critical consensus. have you heard the album? do you also hate sa ra and the q-tip 'soul' albums?

jaxon, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 20:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I was gonna say if the above clips remind me of anything its the Sa-Ra stuff jaxon gave me years ago lolz

shake hands with Gongo? (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 20:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've gone from lukewarm/this is ok but nothing more than a Clipse rip-off to non-stop listening/holy shit this is amazing in about 24hrs. BTW, this is basically a "laidback Clipse without the booger-sugar obsession" as Dave Segal stated but it's still fun to listen to.

http://www.biznotic.com/images/01_13_09.jpg

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 20:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

what? how does this sound anything like Clipse beyond "it is rap"?

surfboard rock gets hyped up, totally (The Reverend), Wednesday, 13 January 2010 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Have you heard Til The Casket Drops? It's a pretty obvious comparison to me.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 20:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Raw, minimal drum machine beats, similar lazy cadence and delivery.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 20:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Bah, this actually sounds nothing like Til The Casket Drops but it does still sound like Clipse to me. Better than Clipse though cuz i'm sick of listening to coke raps.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 13 January 2010 20:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Looks like there were two 2009 releases - were they at the same time?

pithfork (Hurting 2), Friday, 15 January 2010 05:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Good question. I don't think they were released simultaneously but I think they were released close together. I've ripped the stream from their live appearance on KEXP. It's not very good but here it is in case you want to check it out: http://www.mediafire.com/?ky1ynzu5bjw

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 January 2010 19:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like that little "film" although I wouldn't mind someone explaining it to me

pithfork (Hurting 2), Friday, 15 January 2010 20:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ok, I listened to the SP album again and thought about the whole Clipse thing. I really don't see at all how those two groups are more similar to each other than any other two randomly picked rap acts. The most notable stylistic difference between them is Clipse's fussy concision in rhyme/beat/song construction vs Shabazz's more ramshackle nature. As far as the rapping, besides their divergent subject matter, the Clipse deliver everything with a sneer, in contrast to Ish's more laconic rap style. The comparison with The Ecstatic makes more sense, but the Shabazz album(s?) is/are way better and altogether less boring than Mos' most recent.

The Reverend, Friday, 15 January 2010 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can we change this silly title already?

The Reverend, Friday, 15 January 2010 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

maybe use some iteration of the thread title for the next excelsior?

The Book of Eli Porter (ojo), Friday, 15 January 2010 22:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

New Kingdom 2010 edition

you forgot what a hardcore blogger is (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 25 January 2010 20:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

The CD's are at Sonic Boom for 10 bucks but if you order them from the website, they ship from 420 High Street!

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 25 January 2010 21:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is pretty tite imo.

pithfork (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

into shabazz btw

tuomascratch beat (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 22:45 (six years ago) Permalink

Times have changed. In my day if the masseur played hip-hop he'd be run out of town.

Kooki-Wan Tanooki (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 December 2014 18:09 (three years ago) Permalink

seriously, if was instrumental, im not sure anyone would even know it was hip hop. its pretty ambient stuff imo.

StillAdvance, Monday, 1 December 2014 18:11 (three years ago) Permalink

forthcoming THEESatifaction album is excellent

you fuck one chud... (stevie), Monday, 1 December 2014 19:14 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

this album owns

example (crüt), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:09 (two years ago) Permalink

#latepass

example (crüt), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:09 (two years ago) Permalink

otmfm

Also I relistened to Black Up recently and two years later it completely did my mind in

all that glitters ain't cyber gold (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 12 January 2015 22:07 (two years ago) Permalink

both great records that I love but rarely am in the mood to listen to.

Spottie, Monday, 12 January 2015 23:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Black Up is my favorite album of the decade so far.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 09:32 (two years ago) Permalink

^this is why I spun it again. It's prob top 3 for me now. It sounds really radical to me

all that glitters ain't cyber gold (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 01:49 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah, this album is truly great imo

Dan S, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 02:04 (two years ago) Permalink

black up is 10 times better than lese. which is good but just a bit too meditative. this group need to be careful they dont become a new kind of pm dawn (not in sound, as i actually liked pm dawn, but in perception). but it is interesting how shabazz seem to get more love in non rap than in rap circles.

StillAdvance, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 11:13 (two years ago) Permalink

It's the record label

Spottie, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 14:35 (two years ago) Permalink

I need to listen to LM a little more before I can offer any more opinions w conviction but it kind of is like the Tree House to Black Up's Dark York, where both Le1f and SP are sort of evoking cloud rap as a way to transmute their tendencies towards abstraction into something more luxuriant and luminous, aesthetically speaking

all that glitters ain't cyber gold (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 15:37 (two years ago) Permalink

good analogy

it is interesting how shabazz seem to get more love in non rap than in rap circles.

― StillAdvance, Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:13 AM Bookmark

I get why, but a lot of my love for SP has to do with how artfully they capture the hyperspecific context of being a black Seattlite. Moreso on Black Up than LM, even if it doesn't have anything as geographically specific as the line about the fence at Ezell's.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 20:07 (two years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYeTod70_GE

this is what the beats on LM remind me of.

StillAdvance, Monday, 26 January 2015 11:23 (two years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

this album owns

― example (crüt), Monday, January 12, 2015 1:09 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

#latepass

― example (crüt), Monday, January 12, 2015 1:09 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

marcos, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:46 (two years ago) Permalink

also wtf @ this thread title?

marcos, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:49 (two years ago) Permalink

haha yes it is... unfortunate

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:58 (two years ago) Permalink

it came from a twitter post mentioned in The Stranger: http://lineout.thestranger.com/lineout/archives/2010/01/11/shabazz-palaces-bigger-than-jimi

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:03 (two years ago) Permalink

A few days ago I was on a date and we randomly walked past Ish chilling on a park bench eating from a takeout container by himself. My date didn't know who he was. Cool story.

drown zoowap (The Reverend), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:35 (two years ago) Permalink

would read again

Spottie, Monday, 3 August 2015 20:08 (two years ago) Permalink

does anyone really think lese is better than black up?

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 14:53 (two years ago) Permalink

thee satisfaction are a tad on the corny side as vocalists/writers btw. musically theyre much more interesting.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 14:53 (two years ago) Permalink

i don't particularly care that much if black up is better, they're both good

marcos, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:24 (two years ago) Permalink

xp

marcos, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:25 (two years ago) Permalink

does anyone really think lese is better than black up?

*this guy*

Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:03 (two years ago) Permalink

yea they have very different vibes imo and sometimes i like the spacier more out there ambient vibe of lese, sometimes i prefer black up

marcos, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:12 (two years ago) Permalink

i mean i still think black up is a masterpiece too!

Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:13 (two years ago) Permalink

clear some space out so we can space out

marcos, Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:24 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

does anyone really think lese is better than black up?

― StillAdvance, Tuesday, August 4, 2015 10:53 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i actually do!

marcos, Friday, 18 September 2015 13:57 (two years ago) Permalink

also the opening two tracks on lese are so inviting that i just think of those opening vibes and immediately feel compelled to put the record on

marcos, Friday, 18 September 2015 14:03 (two years ago) Permalink

Ha, that's how I feel about Black Up.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 18 September 2015 14:04 (two years ago) Permalink

ha black up is also inviting for sure.

also i have really been digging theesatisfaction's EarthEE, tried a while back and it didn't really stick but i am really enjoying it right now

marcos, Friday, 18 September 2015 14:12 (two years ago) Permalink

EarthEE is fantastic

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Friday, 18 September 2015 15:24 (two years ago) Permalink

"lavishments of light-looking" track from WOKE, new group w/ fly lo + thundercat + shabazz - https://soundcloud.com/adultswimsingles/woke, this tune has george clinton on it too

more info

http://pitchfork.com/news/61398-flying-lotus-talks-woke-his-new-project-with-shabazz-palaces-and-thundercat/

http://www.thefader.com/2015/09/28/flying-lotus-shabazz-palaces-thundercat

marcos, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 18:06 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

in a spa or

sometimes ppl need spas

j., Tuesday, 15 November 2016 02:25 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

new song: https://shabazzpalaces.bandcamp.com/album/quazarz-born-on-a-gangster-star

na (NA), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

Quazarz is out there now. kookoo good

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 7 May 2017 01:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

This is a group that feels like they should be way more massive than they are. Reminds me a little bit of Animal Collective pre MWP in terms of it being a mass kept secret.

yesca, Sunday, 7 May 2017 02:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

think the first one's got a little oboe solo on it

j., Monday, 10 July 2017 18:10 (five months ago) Permalink

or an english horn or somethin

j., Monday, 10 July 2017 18:10 (five months ago) Permalink

im more into what his son's doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzwIX4GwN8U&t=2s

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 10 July 2017 22:04 (five months ago) Permalink

Keep thought leading!

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 July 2017 22:22 (five months ago) Permalink

The new albums are great. I feel like I'll be spending the rest of the summer unravelling them.

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 09:40 (five months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

i like the albums but ive a feeling nothing will be as good as blackup from these guys. obv these two albums are going to take a long time to figure out, but these two sound much looser than the last two. kind of relaxed, like its just two albums from a group not really striving to do anything in particular, and releasing the results (i know theres some sort of narrative at work, but im not sure it was that sustained).

StillAdvance, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 12:18 (four months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

The problem with these two albums to me is that it's basically just a sketched out version of a story that was also there on Lese Majesty. But, some of the details are great. I'm not the worlds biggest hip-hop expert, has there been much talk of 'Quasars' before? It's brilliant as a concept, not a star (which were negative on Lese Majesty, too corporate, too gilded pharaoh) but a quasar, QUAsi-StellAR, star-like but in fact powered by a black hole at the center. That's kinda afro-futurism at it's finest, imo.

Frederik B, Monday, 28 August 2017 12:13 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

cuz there's no theesatisfaction thread - classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2powgJ-7t_Y

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 7 October 2017 01:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Yes. Their second album, especially.

Dr Keith Assblow (stevie), Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:08 (two months ago) Permalink


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