tatsuya yoshida appreciation thread

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so, who's been keeping up with this dude? releasing tons of stuff (as always). what's the pick of the litter?

I have the last two improv releases with uchihashi kazuhisa (the cd+dvd and the TRIPLE cd) but haven't given them the time they deserve. it's a lot to take in. they seem cool but maybe a little samey?

like the discs with imahori tsuneo a bunch. "tokyolaibach" is a heavy jam.

have to check out the new korekyojinn. though I have to say, none of the other korekyojinn albums have done much for me. maybe not as manic as I was hoping for?

also have to check out sax ruins.

and, at this point, koenjihyakkei are probably one of my all-time favorite bands. all of their albums completely rule. new nivraym remaster on skin graft deserves a shout out. probably my favorite material they've done (though I seem to be the only one that feels this way) and finally with the sound this material has always deserved. (always felt that the magaibutsu release sounded like it was never mastered or something.) awesome.

would love for a new koenji album to show up soon. with the steady stream of live dvds, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we get one...

original bgm, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 15:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

He's hard to keep up with. I do like the two Koenjihyakkei albums that I have, Angherr Shisspa and 100 Sights of Koenji, and I'm planning to pick up Nivraym sometime in the near future. Seeing Koenjihyakkei live a couple of years ago was a revelatory experience for me.

o. nate, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 15:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

it is rarely foremost in my mind otherwise, but I never left a Ruins show without my brain dripping out my ears, telling everyone within earshot that he is the best drummer ever engineered.

Snop Snitchin, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 16:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

definitely hard to keep up with.

koenji were great when I saw them live as well. but since it had just come out and (presumably) because they were rocking a different lineup than on all the other records, the set leaned heavily on angherr shisspa material. would love to see them again with a more varied set.

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and yeah, amazing, amazing drummer.

original bgm, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 16:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

and for all the magma talk that comes up in reviews etc, he really has carved out a unique little musical subculture, huh?

original bgm, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 16:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

Have Koenji or Ruins every played London or do they have any shows scheduled?

David Katz (davek_00), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 16:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yoshida has played London several times in the last few years, both solo and in groups.

Awesome live!

one less bastard (gnarly sceptre), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 16:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

yoshida's label site doesn't have any 2010 gigs listed:
http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~ruins/eng/index.html

not sure if there's a better source out there.

and for those of you that still care about physical objects, the kazuhisa improv discs are really nice:
http://www.concretewheels.com/typing/2008/03/25/improvisations-vol-2/

original bgm, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 16:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

Not wanting to be piss on the thread, but I find Yoshida's drumming technically amazing but lacking a lot of feeling and swing, especially when you compare him to Vander (not a fair comparison for anybody I admit). Dunno, I used to be a mega Ruins / Koenji fan but I couldn't care less about his output these days.

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 18:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't agree with you on the tech vs. feeling point above but see how you could feel that way.

but on the vander comparison - I don't think yoshida is really coming from the same place re: drumming technique at all. I know dominique has written about this before, but despite the overt similarities that come from playing zeuhl prog, yoshida and vander really don't sound much alike. more often than not, magma (who I also love) are all about being hypnotic and epic. the drumming and chanting vox are all coming from that angle.

yoshida is going for something far more chaotic, spazzy, and bludgeoning with his playing. especially the ruins and improv stuff.

original bgm, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 19:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah true, probably why I don't like it as I'm not a fan of the spazz. He did work well in Musica Transonic and Mainliner though I thought.

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 19:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

The awesome thing about Koenjihyakkei when I saw them is that they were all pretty awesome musicians and they're all playing these crazy intricate things at the same time - it was total sensory overload.

o. nate, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 19:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5i5Q9LmPX0

nikkon nikkon nikkon nikkon nikkon
nikkon nikkon nikkon nikkon nikkon
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo

ogmor, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 20:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah true, probably why I don't like it as I'm not a fan of the spazz. He did work well in Musica Transonic and Mainliner though I thought.

koenji balance the spazz with the grooves well, I think. nivraym hits a nice sweet spot.

didn't realize yoshida played in mainliner! I've only heard mellow out so I will have to do some digging...

and I've never heard musica transonic. any good starting points?

original bgm, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 20:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Been getting way into this dude's music; I picked up "Devil from the East" and it totally rules. I do believe that Ruins may be one of the most irritating bands ever to exist, but once you get past that, they are mindblowing. My first thought was "I bet Alan N made a thread about this guy". Yep

Never heard Koenjihyakkei yet (outside of the one track on the comp. it is good), guess it's about time huh.

By the way I know the Yoshida/Vander comparisons are fairly obvious but I feel like Carl Palmer is probably a better point of comparison. I think Palmer gets criticized for being overly technical and lacking a bit of swing. I was watching a bunch of his old drum solos (nearly every ELP live show has them) and he's super gifted, just like Yoshida is. But he's not trying to be Billy Bruford or Phil Collins; the flash is the whole point. Both Vander and Yoshida can be very hypnotic but they go about it different ways.

frogbs, Monday, 8 October 2012 14:40 (six years ago) Permalink

oh man, you definitely need to hear koenjihyakkei. in general, they're an easier proposition than the ruins. full band with longer songs, less imposing discography, less improv/noise/chaos, more addictive material. I mean, it's all relative and koenjihyakkei will still definitely annoy the hell out of 99% of the population, don't get me wrong... but I find myself revisiting koenji way more often than ruins. (who I also love, don't get me wrong!)

nivraym (skin graft remaster) remains my fave but they all have something to offer and push different aspects of their sound. start with the very solid hundred sights of koenji and go from there imo!

original bgm, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:46 (six years ago) Permalink

guess I was wrong about this one:

would love for a new koenji album to show up soon. with the steady stream of live dvds, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we get one...

>:-|

original bgm, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:52 (six years ago) Permalink

well he did that Ruins Alone album. I guess he has trouble finding musicians who can keep up with him.

been browsing some Koenji stuff on Youtube, and I'm pretty excited to dig into the albums now. with Ruins you can tell they have an insane amount of talent but I question some of the end results. Like the 91 Boredoms album Pop Tatari, every album I've heard seems to have enough ideas on it to fill ten albums, but after awhile you just wish they'd come up with more melodic riff tunes like "Praha in Spring". I do think it sounds better on the 10th listen than the 1st or 2nd, once you get to know the music a bit. When you stop concentrating on it, it just sounds like formless background noise. I'm hoping that Koenji will be like say, later Boredoms was, where it feels like they were able to coalesce all their noisy tendencies and freakouts into something more coherent and tuneful without losing what makes the work so exciting. will report back once these discs arrive

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:37 (six years ago) Permalink

it's something like that, definitely. but I don't think the jump is quite as drastic as pop tatari to VCN.

in any case, hope you dig the albums!

original bgm, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:51 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm really digging the first two remastered Koenji albums... I tried getting into them many years ago but it never clicked. Did the remixing make a big difference (apart from the new drums on Hundred Sights)?

jim, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 23:56 (six years ago) Permalink

Big difference on nivraym I've always hated the way the original release sounded.

Nothing too radical on hundred sights iirc.

Both

original bgm, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:21 (six years ago) Permalink

Big difference on nivraym. I've always hated the original mix and the new one is v much appreciated.

Nothing as drastic on hundred sights. They both sounded alright iirc.

original bgm, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:25 (six years ago) Permalink

the old nivraym mix was awful ( well i'm not really sure it was a "mix" issue cos they rerecorded a lot for the skin graft "remaster"), but somehow they managed to castrate "becttem pollt" which motors down much harder in the old muddy mix.

iglu ferrignu, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 06:10 (six years ago) Permalink

I see the post I thought the zing app ate made it through - embarrassing!

anyway, just a/b'ed the two versions of "becttem pollt" and I see what you mean. the muddy version does have a little extra heft to it. but the clarity on the new one has its charms as well.

original bgm, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 13:10 (six years ago) Permalink

anyone listened to korekyojinn's 'tundra' record from last year? never really cared that much for them, in that they sound to me like ruins with an extra guitar without the overall wackiness of the latter. more wankering for wankering sake, i guess.

rusty_allen, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 14:38 (six years ago) Permalink

I spun it a few times. I'm pretty much on the same page as you about korekyojinn - they always struck me as being a little too "jammy" and I never play their albums much.

original bgm, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 16:38 (six years ago) Permalink

the second korekyojinn i had a major soft spot for, but one from the last five years or so that really bowled me over was "slip beneath the distant tree" w/ eiko ishibashi.
the last two w/ keijo haino left me totally cold. what happened?

iglu ferrignu, Friday, 12 October 2012 18:23 (six years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

picked up the ruinzhatoba album "RH" and man is it entertaining. lots of improv stuff, vocal sections that sound like a long array of Mario Kart Toads slipping on bananas, really neat covers of King Crimson, Kraftwerk, and even Area (the first song on Arbeit Macht Frei). dunno if it's really a great package but its a cool (and often hilarious) release!

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:25 (five years ago) Permalink

The most recent Ruins Alone record is as good as any Ruins record. I have full confidence that if Yoshida puts out another Koenji record, it will be great. There are few things you can depend on in this world, but he is one of them.

Dominique, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 02:48 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah, ruins alone is the good shit, no doubt about it.

original bgm, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 03:43 (five years ago) Permalink

did he ever do a Ruins medley?

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 04:06 (five years ago) Permalink

hah, not that I know of. feel like that would be brain-melting but would also just sound like most ruins songs anyway.

man, you know what track is incredible? freakin' "yawiquo". version on the mandala live disc smokes.

original bgm, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 04:43 (five years ago) Permalink

not sure what the deal is with this release, but this looks like yet another yoshida band:
https://soundcloud.com/isaohorikoshi/sets/zletovskos-1st-album

manic prog, so no surprises there. but these samples don't sound too far from koenji, actually... especially "gepek" since that IS a koenji track!

original bgm, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 16:42 (five years ago) Permalink

guessing it is the keyboardist's band, because the songs (except Gepek) don't necessarily sound like Yoshida style. also note it has the original bassist of Koenji!

Dominique, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:09 (five years ago) Permalink

isn't the original bassist of Koenji Ryuichi Masuda? anyway this sounds interesting. RYM has never even heard of this band. funny how the reviews for pretty much any project with Yoshida involvement read somewhat the same. does he ever turn down a project? or is it just his life mission to be connected to every single wacky hyper-prog band coming out of Japan?

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:56 (five years ago) Permalink

a noble goal imo

original bgm, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:04 (five years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCYVhXRn80

Zletovsko, a Japanese band with 'a Macedonian bizarre name', is a progressive rock/avant-progressive band formed in 2002 by keyboardist Isao Horikoshi and bassist Shigekazu Kuwahara. Kuwaharu was formerly a member of Koenjihyakkei and Pochakaite Malko. The band was originally a UK/ELP styled progressive rock trio, but eventually disbanded without making any recordings. Then in 2009, Isao and Shigekazu met up with drummer Tatsuya Yoshida and guitarist Kei Fushimi (who was a member of Lars Hollmer's SOLA).

(ruinzhatova's cover of "close to the edge" is amazing)

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 16 May 2013 01:50 (five years ago) Permalink

this sounds awesome! very much has the Koenjihyakkei sound, don't so much care that Yoshida isn't writing the tunes from the sound of the trailer

y'know I used to be in awe of just how many hours of material this guy has written in his life so far but after watching this, it all kinda makes sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5i5Q9LmPX0

frogbs, Thursday, 16 May 2013 03:17 (five years ago) Permalink

hah, that vid is a classic. and godddd, I really have to hear this zletovsko album...!

original bgm, Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:13 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

with richard pinhas!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t33jAd3gc3s

original bgm, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:59 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Finally been listening to Korekyojin, not quite a change of pace from his usual shtick, but the music isn't soul crushingly intense like Koenji is, nor does it have the tendency to completely fall apart the way Ruins does - its more like mutated funk with lots of power riffing, still stupidly technical but also a little more cohesive than most of Yoshida's work. I love it!

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 14:39 (four years ago) Permalink

you know, that's one of his groups I've never gotten fully into. what album are you spinning?

original bgm, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 15:32 (four years ago) Permalink

I've been listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra debut and I'm trying to work out if Koenjihyakkei stolen a bit or if it just sounds really similar. Since they did that Mahavishnu medley, they'd expect listeners to notice. I don't know if they'd incorporate other people's bits into their own tunes.
I think it is a Mahavishnu guitar or violin part (can't remember) but Koeji have a very similar vocal part. I'm fairly sure it's on Angherr Shisspa.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 18:45 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm just listening to the first one (self-titled, I think?) - this tune is kinda their equivilent to "Praha in Spring"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6yhI-050lI

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 19:45 (four years ago) Permalink

still can't beat those discs w/ imahori tsuneo.

massaman gai, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 20:27 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah, I love those too. curious about tsuneo's other groups tipographica and unbeltipo. haven't checked em out yet.

xpost - whoa! that korekyojin track is great! I probably haven't listened to their 1st lp in 10+ years, so guess it's time to revisit...

original bgm, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 20:47 (four years ago) Permalink

the last saxruins was surprisingly good, sax player has a neat way w/ zappa-fying the harmonies.
embarrassing "punky" bits aside. its worth picking up if you haven't already

massaman gai, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink

still haven't listened to more than a few tracks from either sax ruins records. hard to keep up with it all!

original bgm, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 21:47 (four years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

54th birthday today!! I'm listening to Pallastromuimagorninm (sp?) to celebrate. What a jam!!!

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Friday, 9 January 2015 21:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Did you mean: Palm Storm Imaging

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rushomancy, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:53 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

He's a beast, a genius, and quite small and unassuming - all he said the entire show was :

'Ah, sampla broken' and then proceeded to do an hour long polyrhythmic drum solo, bow, and run away

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Friday, 20 March 2015 13:38 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

y'all ever heard the album by Daimonji called Improg? apparently the band is just Jun Togawa's backing band, and the album is four lengthy tunes which are apparently improvised, though to me they sound a lot like structured, Magma-esque jamming. some garbled vocals too. really good, makes me wonder what else I'm missing.

frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2016 19:14 (two years ago) Permalink

Yes that is put together by Hoppy Kamiyama, who used to run the great God Mountain in the 90s, and had his hand in a ton of proggy Japanese noise-rock bands. I don't remember being that into Daimonji, but it's been years since I heard it.

Dominique, Thursday, 25 August 2016 19:51 (two years ago) Permalink

i rather liked that "soft mountain" record - hoppy and tatsuya with hugh hopper and elton dean doing some lovely improvs in fusion-softs style.

a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Thursday, 25 August 2016 20:15 (two years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

This almost flew under my radar, acoustic versions of Korekyojinn tracks (I don't think there's anything brand new here) but it's good:

https://korekyojinn.bandcamp.com/album/kaleidoscope

I didn't know until recently that he's put a load of Magaibutsu releases on bandcamp, it's meant that I've been able to fill some gaps in my Tatsuya Yoshida collection like I've been meaning to for ages!

ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 5 August 2017 15:19 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Angherr Shisspa = god tier. god damn do I love this album.

what's he been up to lately? seems to still do a ton of shows and there was a new Korekojinn disc recently, but his recent output seems to be limited to these improvised (?) and hard to find discs with the likes of Richard Pinhas. is he not composing new stuff anymore?

frogbs, Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:30 (seven months ago) Permalink

Someone with a work ethic like his is bound to be cooking up something...

Wasn't there a new Koenjihyakkei album somewhere on the horizon or did I imagine it

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 22 February 2018 18:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

vaguely recall hearing something about a new koenji too... 🤔

it does seem like yoshida's calmed down a bit lately. a magaibutsu bandcamp went up semi recently but just catalog releases on there for the time being. maybe he's a dad or something now?

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Saturday, 24 February 2018 21:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

starting to dig more into these semi-improvised collabs. the one under the name Imahoritsuneoyoshidatatsuya called "Territory" is excellent, full of all sorts of gonzo noise and suitable bizarre rhythms. never a dull moment. Erans with Satoko Fuiji (a pianist) is great as well. this guy is one of the best musicians ever, really

frogbs, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:10 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

omg second track is a shameless rip-off of...the mars volta?

imago, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:03 (three months ago) Permalink

sounding good tho!

imago, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:03 (three months ago) Permalink

Oh yea!

MaresNest, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:06 (three months ago) Permalink

the main thing i'm getting here is a love of 60s and 70s psych coming through as the main flavour :)

imago, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:20 (three months ago) Permalink

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Friday, 13 July 2018 05:11 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

so, DHORIMVISKHA rules imo. sounds like a refinement of, or at least, a denser version of angherr shisspa to me. production on here is similarly sedate (for this band anyway, so I mean this relatively vs. nivraym or viva koenji) and I love the stretch from "DJEBELAKI ZOMN" to "PALBETH TISSILAQ".

listened to this while driving around ireland when it came out and found it complemented that nicely - lots of winding twists, routinely being impressed by everything you're taking in, undeniably kinda claustrophobic + stressful.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

right now I think it's their best album and potentially Yoshida's crowning achievement. amusingly it's the only Koenjihyakkei album that really sounds like a follow-up to the last one, even though that one was 13 years ago.

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 14:05 (six days ago) Permalink


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