an attempt at a general "What are you currently digging re. classical music" thread

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Okay so this is really just an excuse for me to pontificate on composers I'm enjoying at the moment, as I usually listen to just one exclusively for a week or two to get a good feeling for their style.

I've been listening to this set of orchestral pieces by Hindemith:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4131GR7WV9L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

Lots of fun. Only occasionally does he bog down in "let's see how much I can milk from this single theme" stylistic exercises, but several pieces (Nobilissima Visione, the Op. 50 Konzertmusik) are very near being great. Even when the musical material is slightly less-inspiring his orchestration and unique harmonic language (tonal afaik, but extremely extended) at least make it *sound* interesting.

Daruton, Thursday, 3 December 2009 20:22 (nine years ago) link

Mathis der Maler symphony is great.

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 3 December 2009 20:35 (nine years ago) link

Nearly everything by Arthur Kreiger.
This is the best currently available collection; a few other pieces are scattered across compilations.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41K5W0FG79L._SS500_.jpg
Meeting Places

This recent collection of pieces by David Rakowski.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EqHtb8DfL._SS500_.jpg
Winged Contraption

Paul in Santa Cruz, Thursday, 3 December 2009 20:39 (nine years ago) link

I've been digging Ligeti's Chamber Concerto, Mendelssohn's Lieder ohne Worte and Purcell odes.

On the radio I heard Verdi's string quartet, and I thought that was really good.

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 3 December 2009 20:39 (nine years ago) link

i just keep listening to more and more brahms. like a crazy person or something.

i was gonna start a rolling classical thread. glad someone did it. cheers!

scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2009 20:46 (nine years ago) link

Paul, the samples on that Rakowski disc sound really interesting. I'd never heard of him until now.

Daruton, Thursday, 3 December 2009 20:49 (nine years ago) link

I have been listening to Winterreise a lot lately.

twice boiled cabbage is death, Thursday, 3 December 2009 21:17 (nine years ago) link

I've been listening to Xenakis a fair bit. Planning on going on a Messaien kick.

sarahel, Thursday, 3 December 2009 21:22 (nine years ago) link

bought a ton of records for the store and ended up with, like, a couple hundred albums that are all classical piano. really been enjoying them. i'll post here when i hear things i really like.

scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2009 21:40 (nine years ago) link

Kancheli - Abii Ne Viderem
Ligeti - Piano Etudes

zappi, Thursday, 3 December 2009 21:43 (nine years ago) link

Rebecca Clarke / Sonata for viola & piano
Schubert / Piano Quintet in A major (Trout)
Schnittke / Concerto grosso no. 3
Florence Price / Mississippi River Suite
Ellen Taaffe Zwilich / 'Lament' for solo piano
Sylvie Bodorová / Terezín Ghetto Requiem

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:04 (nine years ago) link

+1 on those Ligeti Piano Etudes.

Just spent a month with Sibelius Symphonies and their scores. Unbearable to see how simple his writing really is... so precise.

Tourtière (Ówen P.), Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:10 (nine years ago) link

I'm really happy people are actually responding to this thread btw.

Owen, which is your favorite? I keep vacillating between the 4th and the 6th. Both are arguably his "darkest" pieces. I won't say much about him other than I want The Oceanides played at my funeral.

Daruton, Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:15 (nine years ago) link

I'm not sure this classifies as "classical" in the sense you mean, but in fall -- winter, I listen to Gavin Bryars/Philip Jeck/Alter Ego's version of The Sinking Of The Titanic all the time.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:29 (nine years ago) link

I had an adolescent crush on #1 so that will forever be my favourite, but as a study piece I thought 4th was crazily informative.

Talk to me about Rekašius. I heard one thing once and it sounded like clarinetists warming up.

Tourtière (Ówen P.), Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:39 (nine years ago) link

Mm, Villa-Lobos's been capturing my senses lots, lately. Yeah sure, Bachianas Brasileiras, mainly, but also some other chamber music pieces of his...

Ligeti - last night, CD 5 of The Ligeti Project series (Tledec/ Warner): Aventures, Nouvelles Aventures, Artikulation for tape, Eight pieces from "Musica ricercata", etc.

Also the recently-relseased-on-ReR ondes Martenot-piano music album: pieces by Messiaen , Charpentier, Murail.

t**t, Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:42 (nine years ago) link

Sibelius is my favorite composer for orchestra. Of the symphonies 4, 6, and 7 share favorite status about equally, along with Tapiola, the Tempest music, and the so-called 'Lemminkainen Suite'.

When I first listened to the 6th and Tapiola abt 13 years ago there was an intense sens of recognition like 'this is my music. I can live here.'

Scott I am glad you are on a brahms jag. I go on those, usually within the inexhaustible realm of his chamber music. And please do post about your new solo piano trove. That's probably my biggest area of concentration in classical music.

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:46 (nine years ago) link

xpost you must hear the series of Choros!!! A set of these has been recently been completed on the BIS label. Especially in the longer Choros installments, Villa-Lobos really goes nuts, some of the craziest folk-modernist composing I've ever heard.

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:48 (nine years ago) link

Re: Rakowski, glad to have introduced his music to someone. He's a Boston-based composer with a great sense of rhythm and sonority. His Piano Etudes (which currently outnumber Ligeti's) are also recommended.

Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:53 (nine years ago) link

brahms killing me most recently: complete trios for piano,violin,cello (isotomin-stern-rose trio. vinyl set.) (i find myself saying: um, did i just play the first side of this record five times in a row? maybe i should try the other side!)

scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2009 22:58 (nine years ago) link

Digging all the classical samples mentioned in this blog post. Odd things -- e.g., interviews, movie soundtracks -- function as gateways into classical music for me.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:02 (nine years ago) link

xpost The trios are soooooo awesome. Have a listen to the Supraphon recordings by the Suk Trio if you come across them.

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:06 (nine years ago) link

ive realised just how brilliant the brahms symphonies are recently. took me a good long while (except for no 4 which i have loved for years).

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:09 (nine years ago) link

xpost Alan Gilbert seems cool. I heard him conduct Mahler's 1st in Central Park during the summer and I liked his interpretation a lot. The final movement got rained/lightninged out but you can hardly complain about the 'storm' movement of a symphony summoning a real storm. Will probably get his Stockholm Mahler 9th from emusic soon.

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:10 (nine years ago) link

I'm still stuck on Brahms 1st whenever I reach for symphonic Brahms. Such a great opening. I hear clear pre-echoes of Mahler in this piece (even though Mahler claimed to have no use whatsoever for Brahms).

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:12 (nine years ago) link

xpost. re: Villa-Lobos "choros" - yeah thanks for the reminder, Elric/Jon. Must listen to that, certainly. Havn't so far.

t**t, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:13 (nine years ago) link

okay, in honor of this thread i just threw on some liszt piano stuff. dgg boxed set of annees de pelerinage. never heard it before. (lazar berman on piano.)

with all that piano stuff i bought came a buttload of rachmaninoff. never really listened to the rach that much, but i think i own just about everything he ever wrote now!

scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:16 (nine years ago) link

I've said on more than one occasion that the Brahms Piano Trio No. 1 (in its revised version) is my "favorite tonal piece". The best recorded performance in my view is Isaac Stern / Pablo Casals / Dame Myra Hess -- although the slower tempos can take some getting used to.

Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:21 (nine years ago) link

Re: Rakowski, glad to have introduced his music to someone. He's a Boston-based composer with a great sense of rhythm and sonority. His Piano Etudes (which currently outnumber Ligeti's) are also recommended.

― Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:53 PM (25 minutes ago)

I know a 30-second sample isn't exactly representative, but I immediately thought "Boulez" when I heard it. P'raps you can verify/debunk this.

Daruton, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:22 (nine years ago) link

Allclassical.org

This is the only radio I listen to while driving. I've heard so many great pieces on there.

They ran a fantastic Ravel Daphne & Chloe the other night.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:23 (nine years ago) link

I think the Rakowski <-> Boulez association is a bit misleading. Rakowski has closer ties to American post-serialists like Martino and Imbrie, with a clearer sense of pulse and syncopations that make some contact with jazz (versus the metrical obscurity of some Boulez). You don't find things like Boulez's radically volatile dynamics (variation between loud and soft on a note-by-note basis) or the sometimes pointillistic textures, or the resistance to melody-plus-accompaniment textures. But Rakowski's harmonic sense is as refined as Boulez, and he has a similar knack for effective orchestration.

Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:29 (nine years ago) link

Scott I am a molelike obsessive when it comes to Liszt's ocean-sized piano oeuvre. So so much to discover with him. That Lazar Berman box is a good intro to the Annees De Pelerinage. Berman is especially good in 'Year One'. In Year Two I like Brendel a little more. Follow up Year One with Year Three if you want to hear the stark difference between wide-eyed young philosopher Liszt and weird, bitter yet beatific late Liszt.

There's another not-uncommon Lazar Berman 2LP on Columbia/Melodiya of Liszt's famous 'Transcendental Etudes'-- quite a raging roaring performance if you want to hear the hyper-virtuoso flip side of the Liszt coin.

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:31 (nine years ago) link

T**t-- start with the longer Choros first (can't remember which numbers in the series exactly) if you wanna hear the wildest stuff.

They're on emusic, FYI.

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:33 (nine years ago) link

'key! Thanx. :)

t**t, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:34 (nine years ago) link

Oh-also: Bach pieces arranged by John Lewis, for MJQ, I've enjoyed greatly too. Think that counts as classicak, too. At least partly.

t**t, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:36 (nine years ago) link

("classickal", was wot i meant)

t**t, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:37 (nine years ago) link

I think the Rakowski <-> Boulez association is a bit misleading. Rakowski has closer ties to American post-serialists like Martino and Imbrie, with a clearer sense of pulse and syncopations that make some contact with jazz (versus the metrical obscurity of some Boulez). You don't find things like Boulez's radically volatile dynamics (variation between loud and soft on a note-by-note basis) or the sometimes pointillistic textures, or the resistance to melody-plus-accompaniment textures. But Rakowski's harmonic sense is as refined as Boulez, and he has a similar knack for effective orchestration.

― Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, December 3, 2009 11:29 PM

Ah okay thanks. I'm actually bent on exploring that generation of US composers (Carter, Babbitt, Martino, Shapey, maybe Wuorinen should be included, et al) at the mo'. One hears this stuff called "academic" and "dry" all the time so I take it as a challenge to prove them wrong.

AFA Boulez goes I tend to like his sensory overload early-mid pieces (that would fit your description) like Structures and le marteau more than his friendlier new stuff like Répons (though "explosante-fixe" might be my absolute favorite Boulez).

Daruton, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:38 (nine years ago) link

Pangs of regret dept-- There was an all-Kajia Saariaho concert at Columbia's Miller Theater a couple weeks ago in their Composer Portraits series and I couldn't go. So bummed. I think she's my favorite working composer right now (of those I've heard). Any fans of Saariaho up in this piece?

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:39 (nine years ago) link

xpost explosante-fixe is v v beautiful.

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:40 (nine years ago) link

Big fan of those same American composer you mention! Mel Powell is especially bright star in the same constellation. (And I sort of lump Wolpe in, too, although he's sort of European?)

And my Boulez picks are pretty much the same as yours -- with a soft spot especially for the first two piano sonatas.

Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:42 (nine years ago) link

My fave Saariaho is Lichtbogen, although I've just now realised I haven't heard a note she's written since 2000. Any recently highlights I should seek out?

Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:44 (nine years ago) link

As seldom as I get the urge to actually throw on any of my Boulez discs, I would go see a performance of any of his big pieces in a hot minnit. Also, I really want to see the guy conduct before he can't any longer...

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:45 (nine years ago) link

xpost I really like Graal-Theatre, which I THINK is after 2000...

Elric Harris and Dylan Kobold (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:45 (nine years ago) link

Owen, re: Rekašius. Haha I think what you heard might have been "Still not enough" (Saxophone concerto) which mostly fits that description and is of course awesome. Here's an okayish rip of his 7th Symphony, which is one of my favorites, esp. the 3rd movement:

Symphony No. 7, Op. 31 (1987) 'In Memoriam' (perf. by The Lithuanian Philharmonic Orchestra, Juozas Domarkas conducting)

A weirdly translated interview:
http://www.bruceduffie.com/rekasius.html

Here's a very sad article on his death:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3168842.stm

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:46 (nine years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41W5z6LJetL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

M.V., Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:50 (nine years ago) link

Really enjoying Sergio Fiorentino right now.

ogmor, Thursday, 3 December 2009 23:57 (nine years ago) link

Also, I really want to see the guy conduct before he can't any longer...

I really regret that I won't be moving to Chicago in time to see him do The Firebird. I just hope there's a "next time". :\

Daruton, Friday, 4 December 2009 00:21 (nine years ago) link

"There's another not-uncommon Lazar Berman 2LP on Columbia/Melodiya of Liszt's famous 'Transcendental Etudes'"

i have this! haven't played it yet. i'll play it tommorow at the store.

hope nobody minds if i occasionally babble about the sonics/sound of my vinyl. i've got about a thousand classical albums and every once in a while i'll pull something out that has me slack-jawed and drooling. right now that is a columbia 360 sound stereo pressing of bernstein/stern doiing bartok's two rhapsodies for violin and orchestra and berg's violin concerto. not only is the music amazing, but gaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the recording is just staggering. the brightness of stern's violin in tandem with the new york phil...if you ever wonder why people still shell out big bucks for vinyl, well, here ya go. and its not a big bucks album. but its worth its weight in gold.

scott seward, Friday, 4 December 2009 00:56 (nine years ago) link

Saw Feldman's For John Cage performed a cpl of wks ago with a sandwiched of Webern either side (massive meat on that sandwich then).

This I am immensely looking fwd to: http://www.city.ac.uk/events/2015/march/against-the-day-a-concert-for-simon-howard-1960-2013

Good op to finally see how Beat Furrer very 'slight' sounding music works out: https://www.cafeoto.co.uk/events/kammer-klang-beasts-and-beauties-georgia-rogers-be/

xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 February 2015 21:39 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

digging some

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/073/MI0001073246.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

also:
Dietrich Buxtehude - Orgelwerke vol. 1 (Harald Vogel)
Simons Preston's J.S. Bach The Organ Works
Leonhardt's Das Wohltemperierte Klavier (all harpsichord - also watched Chronik der Anna Magdalena Bach on nakh's recommendation)
Pickett's Monteverdi - L'Orfeo

Mordy, Thursday, 9 April 2015 00:40 (four years ago) link

Felt a sudden (and largely unprecedented) need to listen to Wagner this afternoon and have been working through Die Walküre (Marek Janowski, Jeannine Altmeyer, Siegfried Jerusalem & Staatskapelle Dresden) since then (4m into Act 3 now).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 April 2015 00:48 (four years ago) link

I get pulled into listening to the lions share of die walkure frequently because I need to hear that fucking storm prelude.

Also the scene with brunnhilde and siegmund where he abjures Valhalla <3

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 April 2015 12:51 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Anyone into Julio d'Escrivàn? I started checking out his music because I was working through one of his music tech textbooks. This is pretty cool imo, a movement from a concerto for USB video game controller, laptop, and orchestra.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:34 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

This is a superlative Ravel/Rachmaninov recording, it wasn't what I was looking for but it is awesome.
http://www.cdbiblio.com/eingang/cdimages/img_ravel/ravel0008.jpg

xelab, Saturday, 10 October 2015 21:16 (three years ago) link

That recording of the slow movement of the Ravel is heaven in a bottle.

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 11 October 2015 14:13 (three years ago) link

Attended the Lahti Sibelius Festival last month. All the symphonies and more besides. Great experience. Jon Anderson was in the audience too!

Call the Cops, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:54 (three years ago) link

Aarrrrrgghhhh the jealousy
Also I am so stoked that Jon Anderson is a sibelian

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 22:08 (three years ago) link

Apparently he cried through most of the performances. It was a fantastic series of concerts - really wish you had been there Jon!

Call the Cops, Saturday, 17 October 2015 07:26 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Ettore De Carolis - Ciociaria - A Land Of Ancient Silences (one of my finds of the year. and why i will always love the musical heritage society. they put out so much stuff that NOBODY would have put out in the states. Italian folk stuff. children chanting. hurdy-gurdy. guitar. harmonium. mandolin. lutes. trombones. evocations of ancestral rituals. this record has it all.)

^^ This record scott wrote about five years ago is B L O W I N G MY M I N D

ian, Friday, 9 March 2018 22:21 (one year ago) link

I'm taking note.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 10 March 2018 18:45 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

I'm a little disconcerted at how few classical albums I've been able to get into. Maybe something like 4 out of 15? I've heard people say it takes a bit more patience than most music, but even 20 listens hasn't been able to crack a lot of them. And most of it seems totally up my street. All the scarier is how long it takes to cover all the big boys and girls before you branch out.

How did people get into this stuff before recorded music was available? Is it just a case of being familiar enough with the genres?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 June 2019 15:41 (three months ago) link

Actually playing the music and seeing it live; probably still the best ways.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 June 2019 16:23 (three months ago) link

My only suggestion would be to listen to lots of different stuff from all periods, rather than intensely trying to crack individual pieces. I find that learning about art is often about learning how to situate things in contrast with each other. You may learn more about how to hear a Mozart piece by hearing how it's different from a Beethoven piece.

jmm, Saturday, 8 June 2019 16:43 (three months ago) link

If you can read music, following scores can help. Otherwise, it might help to try to identify melodic themes and motives and follow how they are developed and transformed; also looking for points of harmonic resolution might serve to guide your listening. Hard to say more without knowing what you're listening to and looking for.

xp Yeah, reading a book on music appreciation will probably be helpful. This one is good: https://www.amazon.ca/Music-Appreciation-Roger-Kamien/dp/0078025206

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 June 2019 17:12 (three months ago) link

Sorry, "yeah" = jmm's idea is a good one and it made me think that reading up on the music in general may supplement it well. I've used the Kamien in an intro music appreciation course and it worked well ime.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 June 2019 17:14 (three months ago) link

http://www.cdbiblio.com/eingang/cdimages/img_ravel/ravel0008.jpg

check this beauty out RAG, you don't need to try and like it but you might!

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 17:37 (three months ago) link

I always tell people to start by thinking about what kind of instrumentation they feel the most instinctively attracted to. Solo piano? String quartets/chamber combos? Orchestral? Vocal + orchestra? Vocal + piano? Go with your gut and fuck around in that area for awhile, checking out stuff from different centuries - composers of every era from the 18th c to today have worked in these more or less stable formats (well an “orchestra” for Mozart and an “orchestra” for Lutoslawski are quite different in scale and variety but you know what I mean)

Also for beginners I am a big fan of Michael Steinberg’s two books The Symphony and The Concerto - he does a wonderful job of writing you through a piece without getting too technical but without resorting to lame ass poetics either.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 8 June 2019 17:55 (three months ago) link

Calzino- Thanks

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 June 2019 18:01 (three months ago) link

For the record, the stuff I did get into was Bach organ stuff, first disc in the big Mahler box (might have benefitted from having long breaks between listens), Havergal Brian's Gothic. Enjoying bits of Delius right now.

Surely Glen Branca's Ascension doesn't count? Just felt like enjoying a rock album to me.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 June 2019 18:06 (three months ago) link

4 out of 15 is a pretty good hitting percentage! do you like a quarter of the rock albums you listen to?

anyway, if you listen to something 20 times and don't like it you should probably take a break from that recording. it's taken me 25 years to get into classical, that's the beauty of it, you can take your time with it.

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 June 2019 19:08 (three months ago) link

What got me into classical in my late teens was program music or pieces that had a strong association with movies or books, or evoked pictures in my mind of historical periods and cultural scenes. So like, the Clockwork Orange soundtrack got me into Beethoven's Ninth, then other Beethoven symphonies, then Schubert, Brahms and so on. Meanwhile, Wendy Carlos led me to Bach keyboard works and the Brandenburgs, then Scarlatti, Vivaldi and them boys.

At no time was I seeking this stuff out in a conscious effort to appreciate classical music. It all just sounded good to me in spite my instinctive rock music bias.

A few of the more obvious starting points that I was drawn to along these lines: Symphonie Fantastique, Scheherazade, Peer Gynt and Holberg Suites, Also Sprach Zarathustra, The Planets, La Mer, Le Tombeau de Couperin, Rite of Spring. I soon moved beyond a need for any programmatic tie-in. That's the last type of thing I go for anymore, or when I do, it's not for the pictures or storylines it is meant to conjure up.

Based on what you're already liking, most of this could seem a bit unsophisticated. Yeah, well...

punning display, Saturday, 8 June 2019 19:41 (three months ago) link

I actually do like most of my rock purchases. Funnily enough I cant think of many albums I've actively disliked. But I comprehend most of them well.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 June 2019 19:48 (three months ago) link

I forgot to mention the role that weed played in my listening. People are right that it can take patience. Sometimes a little smoking helps to crack into these things. Not to be a bad influence, mind you.

punning display, Saturday, 8 June 2019 19:52 (three months ago) link

Surely Glen Branca's Ascension doesn't count? Just felt like enjoying a rock album to me.

At the last job, my late 20th century music students thought that even Branca's 13th symphony just sounded like a rock band without the singing.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 9 June 2019 03:19 (three months ago) link

I've also got Branca's Symphony 1 which sounds a lot more like classical to me and I didn't dig it quite as much.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 9 June 2019 15:55 (three months ago) link

it helps to branch out from music you already like, e.g. I loved Aphex Twin and loads of other synth music and naturally explored the history of it, going back to the first academic experiments from modern classical composers, which led to classical music that might not be electronic but showcases some elements like Messiaen, Kagel, Berio etc. which led to exploring music of the previous generations, and so on

clouds, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:47 (three months ago) link

I'm a big fan of symphonic prog and metal, so symphonies seems natural. Also pipe organs, so Bach.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:19 (three months ago) link

the bartok string quartets are pretty metal.

for symphonies try prokofiev. start with the 3rd.

clouds, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:30 (three months ago) link

I would recommend 'Weather' by Michael Gordon, it's pretty symphonic and brooding.

MaresNest, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:40 (three months ago) link

mahler's 6th is a really good un. not really metal but so full of tragedy and bombastic apocalyptic doom, apparently he was quite astutely feeling that very bad times were coming back for European Jewry and I think one of his children was dying when he composed it.

calzino, Sunday, 9 June 2019 19:04 (three months ago) link

^^^ Based on what RAG has said I think that’s an excellent recommendation. The most visceral thing GM did

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 10 June 2019 12:10 (three months ago) link

And a real example of catharsis in abstract music

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 10 June 2019 12:12 (three months ago) link

Extremely basic stuff everyone knows here, but I'm currently listening to this 1926 recording of The Planets by the LSO conducted by Holst himself, and it is really very good.

https://youtu.be/lsBdREh9UEw

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 10 June 2019 12:19 (three months ago) link

TBH classical warhorses fucking rule for the most part. There’s a reason they’re warhorses; it’s not good to condescend to them. (particularly the planets which is both a warhorse and a masterwork)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 10 June 2019 12:28 (three months ago) link

I'm a big fan of symphonic prog and metal, so symphonies seems natural. Also pipe organs, so Bach.

― Robert Adam Gilmour

seconding the bartok string quartet suggestion, last movement of the fourth string quartet is a key influence on "larks tongues in aspic ii"

if you like pipe organ you need to hear widor's fifth symphony ("symphony" in pipe organ terms doesn't mean the same thing as "symphony" for orchestra, it's just pipe organ)

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Monday, 10 June 2019 12:45 (three months ago) link

Also the big Liszt organ pieces: Ad Nos, the variations on BACH, the wienen klagen sorgen zagen variations, and the transcription of Orpheus

Hunnenschlacht also has a fun organ part.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 10 June 2019 12:52 (three months ago) link

Yeah, was going to recommend Bartok's 4th string quartet. Fwiw, liking the style of rock music descibed as 'symphonic prog' does not necessarily mean you will prefer symphonies to chamber or solo works imo. A rock band, even a progressive one, is arguably more like a chamber group. Have you looked into much guitar repertoire btw? The Ginastera Sonata for Guitar and Villa-Lobos's Douze Etudes are good places to start for 'rocking' modern guitar music.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 10 June 2019 14:01 (three months ago) link

TBH classical warhorses fucking rule for the most part. There’s a reason they’re warhorses; it’s not good to condescend to them. (particularly the planets which is both a warhorse and a masterwork)
oh yeah, completely. In this case the speed at which they go through Mars is shocking and wonderful.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 10 June 2019 17:14 (three months ago) link

Actually can I hijack the thread slightly to ask if anyone has any good reccomendations of classical recordings from the early electronic recording era, say 1926-1938?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 10 June 2019 17:16 (three months ago) link

Elgar’s own recordings of his symphonies

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 10 June 2019 19:38 (three months ago) link

hmmm, what do i have from that era

the cortot, thibaud, casals trio is great, i have their recording of beethoven's "archduke" and schubert's piano trio no. 1

the early recordings of rhapsody in blue are nice (if abbreviated) - i prefer the acoustic version to the subsequent electric version though

haven't heard elgar conducting his symphonies, but the violin concerto with yehudi menuhin from 1932 is great

pushing bast '38, but schonberg's recording of pierrot lunaire and stravinsky's second rite of spring (both from 1940) are great shit

gieseking's first recording of the emperor concerto (i think it's from '35?) is nice

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Monday, 10 June 2019 23:45 (three months ago) link

RAG, are you a fan of Sunn O)))? If yes, I recommend Anna Thorvaldsdottir, a living composer whose albums Aerial, In The Light Of Air and Aequa are all amazing. They don't sound like "classical music" in the Bugs Bunny sense at all; at times they remind me of Autechre or Einstürzende Neubauten.

https://burningambulance.com/2018/12/28/anna-thorvaldsdottir-2/

https://burningambulance.com/2015/09/08/anna-thorvaldsdottir/

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 00:41 (three months ago) link

willem mengelberg's beethoven symphonies are fantastic (for old recordings)

clouds, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 21:33 (three months ago) link

i've only heard aequa but it rules

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:46 (three months ago) link

Thanks for all the recs.

I really think Havergal Brian's Gothic and Mahler's Das Klagende Lied fit into my "prog rock epic" orifice very nicely. They have that dramatic panoramic quality, big awesome landscapes traversed in exciting ways.

Bartok has long been on my list, Art Zoyd comparisons helped that along.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:47 (three months ago) link

Went to a performance of Mahler's 9th last night. It was incredible and worth checking out. Surprised how lengthy it was and how fast it blew by.

octobeard, Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:19 (three months ago) link

1st movement of Mahler 9 is about as good as music gets imo

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 16 June 2019 15:31 (three months ago) link

the first person i ever read repping for Mahler was C Bukowski!

calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 15:34 (three months ago) link


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