Songs that fool you about where the downbeat is.

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Usually at the beginning. I've run across songs like this many times, and yet I can't think of a one right now. Google has come up with "All along the watchtower" and yeah, that's pretty deceptive. I just know there's a whole slew of them.

B'wana Beast, Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:30 (eleven years ago) link

I never remember where the downbeat is at the beginning of Blue Swede's version of "Hooked On A Feeling": are they singing "Ooh-ga-ooh-ga-ooh-ga-cha-ga" or "Ga-ooh-ga-ooh-ga-cha-ga-ooh"?

Then there's the weird bridge of "She Said She Said."

Bloggers Might Ride (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:38 (eleven years ago) link

Pardon the ignorance but what precisely is a downbeat? Could you give me an example? Say in which part of watchtower does the downbeat occurs?

PS: Hendrix's or Dylan's?

feisty, Spanish, girl (Moka), Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:43 (eleven years ago) link

The downbeat is the impulse that occurs at the beginning of a bar in measured music.[3] Its name derives from the downward stroke of the director or conductor's baton at the start of each measure. It frequently carries the strongest accent of the rhythmic cycle.

sleeve, Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:50 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know enough theory to give real examples, though.

sleeve, Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:50 (eleven years ago) link

Hendrix: opening guitar suggests one beat, but when other instruments come in you find out it's another. If a song's base rhythm goes, say, ONE-two-three-four, ONE-two-three-four, etc., then it's the one. The strong first beat. But you don't have to know that, to know that the rhythm wasn't the way you thought it would be.

B'wana Beast, Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

first i come to think of now is for some reason Yo La Tengo - Pass the hatchet, I think I'm goodkind

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:55 (eleven years ago) link

Mmmh I'm not sure if I understood completely what you meant, but I think I get the main idea. I'll think of something when other examples pop up later on thread and I feel enlightened enough.

feisty, Spanish, girl (Moka), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

Television - Marquee Moon. Always gets me!

The people of Ork are marching upon us (Matt #2), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:03 (eleven years ago) link

Pixies - Dig For Fire
(bassline underpinning the drumless intro; drums come in what feels like a half-beat early, leaving the 1 bassless and the bass riff starting on the offbeat)

I like this trick, so I'm a bit surprised I can't think of more examples right now.

subtyll cauillacyons (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:08 (eleven years ago) link

Iggy Pop, "the passenger". In fact, Yo La Tengo perform it here:
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2008/03/yo-la-tengo-vid.html
And the drummer gets the downbeat wrong! Ira just smiles.

B'wana Beast, Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:15 (eleven years ago) link

Mclusky - "The World Loves Us and Is Our Bitch"

^^have a feeling most of this thread will be songs with bass/guitar then drums coming in, but i know there are some other kinds of examples

also, is this really a "trick" most of the time (xxp) or is it just dudes not being able to accent their notes well enough?

een, Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

The La's - There She Goes used to always get me (I'd always think that low note in the riff was the downbeat, so it would sound like the drums came in too early until you got locked into the new rhythm).

Pyramid Song, sorta, in that sounds like a weird time-signature when it's just a slow, syncopated 4/4.

There's a couple songs where I misinterpreted the downbeat for the longest time, and then later on I'd catch it and hear the song completely differently. This mostly happens when drummer omits the kick drum on the downbeat and uses it on a weaker beat--pretty neat trick. Can't think of any specific examples though.

poffdl, Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:32 (eleven years ago) link

Voxtrot - Mothers Sisters Daughters and Wives

The reverb sound seems like it's on 1, but it turns out it's on 2.

Casiotone for the Painfully Alone - Holly Hobby

I like this one a lot. The drum intro sounds like it's in an odd time signature or something, but it turns out it's just a cool 12/8 rhythm.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:32 (eleven years ago) link

Blue Rondo A La Turk. That's cheating a bit, because it's in 9/8. But it always make s me laugh to hear the Nice's version, where they default to cut time.

ρεμπετις, Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:35 (eleven years ago) link

also, is this really a "trick" most of the time (xxp) or is it just dudes not being able to accent their notes well enough?
It's intentional.

Bloggers Might Ride (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:36 (eleven years ago) link

Blue Rondo A La Turk. That's cheating a bit, because it's in 9/8. But it always make s me laugh to hear the Nice's version, where they default to cut time.

Tito Puente did "Take Five" and he changed it to 4/4. Well, 4/4 in clave. It's pretty cool.

Bloggers Might Ride (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

(as yet I can only think of another Pixies track: Bone Machine manages to do this from a 4/4 drum intro by turning out to start each bar on the snare. suspect they have more of these too, plus e.g. Alec Eiffel (?) where the guitar riff is an odd number of beats and the drums are 4/4 so it's like the song keeps turning inside out, not that that counts here)

I feel like with all the offbeat dub stabs and synth riffs which are pretty much obligatory for techno there's gotta be a track which deliberately exploits the listener/DJ-confusing potential.

Regarding intentionality or otherwise, here is one of my favourite ILX posts/confessions ever (see last section):
Grifters: C er D?

subtyll cauillacyons (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:41 (eleven years ago) link

Ha.

Another example from Jimi Hendrix is "Fire."

Bloggers Might Ride (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:54 (eleven years ago) link

I suppose in some cases it's conceivable that the bandmembers were so used to their own song that they didn't notice how a new listener could misread the beat. (Of course, "intentional" is a conundrum in general.)

B'wana Beast, Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:56 (eleven years ago) link

Bodysnatchers by Radiohead.

I am flesh and blood. You are software and circuitry. (chap), Sunday, 15 November 2009 01:11 (eleven years ago) link

"30 Seconds Over Tokyo" to thread

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 15 November 2009 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

Bodysnatchers by Radiohead.
That's a great example

nearly one-third of a man (Z S), Sunday, 15 November 2009 01:40 (eleven years ago) link

Melwyn - 'we all slow down' from farbrausch 64k demo Life Index (>WinXp)
which is "actually a 19/4 beat, just mixed to normal 4/4 form."

Fresh Moods - lifechange

meisenfek, Sunday, 15 November 2009 01:51 (eleven years ago) link

Dr Faustus does this to me everytime I hear it

sleepingbag, Sunday, 15 November 2009 01:53 (eleven years ago) link

Underworld - Jumbo
XTC - The Smartest Monkeys

Paul in Santa Cruz, Sunday, 15 November 2009 02:12 (eleven years ago) link

Wow, that Radiohead, you have no idea the downbeat isn't where you think it is until way into the song.

B'wana Beast, Sunday, 15 November 2009 02:22 (eleven years ago) link

"Tell Me Something Good" most def.

cough syrup in coke cans (Eric H.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 02:31 (eleven years ago) link

With "Bodysnatchers", are you guys counting each snare as an "&" in a slow-to-moderate 4/4? That kind of works for me.

Sundar, Sunday, 15 November 2009 02:48 (eleven years ago) link

uhm, not with you on that one. i hear each snare on 2 and 4 as every other rock song, although the intro still puts you off a bit at first

sonderangerbot, Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:00 (eleven years ago) link

^yep

nearly one-third of a man (Z S), Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:09 (eleven years ago) link

I mean, your way is the normal way of counting it. But if you look at it the other way, it accounts for the riff and the phrasing in the vocal melody. For the sake of argument, you know.

Sundar, Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:51 (eleven years ago) link

This is my favorite example in the whole world.

The big chords are easily heard as being on "1" and "3", but they're really on the "and of 2" and "and of 4" (in a few spots, a four-on-the-floor kick/bass pattern appears, to confirm this)

I suppose if you listen regularly to Zouk, you're more likely to expect accents on the offbeats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWE51n6GDcM

Paul in Santa Cruz, Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:59 (eleven years ago) link

Listened again (radiohead)and this time there was no shift, except maybe at the beginning. I guess I got off-track the first time. Huh. Maybe I'll get to the bottom of it later, I gotta go make dinner.

B'wana Beast, Sunday, 15 November 2009 04:07 (eleven years ago) link

Oops, not "The Smartest Monkeys" -- the XTC song I had in mind was (the vastly superior) "Wake Up"

Paul in Santa Cruz, Sunday, 15 November 2009 04:12 (eleven years ago) link

Actually, another radiohead example would be "Videotape", from the same album. The plodding piano chords from the entire song turn out to be on the off-beat by the end.

nearly one-third of a man (Z S), Sunday, 15 November 2009 04:31 (eleven years ago) link

I have a friend who can't ever hear Devo's "Satisfaction" on the right beat, because of the odd bass drum hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I09xjQgMAI

gshumway1 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 November 2009 08:33 (eleven years ago) link

311 thought they were so fucking clever about this that they named their song "Offbeat Bare Ass"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G9-pHd9CyQ

gshumway1 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 15 November 2009 08:35 (eleven years ago) link

I Don't Remember - Peter Gabriel

Certainly the live version does this, can't remember if the studio version does.

MaresNest, Sunday, 15 November 2009 08:42 (eleven years ago) link

Timbaland, "Give It To Me"

cumlord carabinieri (The Reverend), Sunday, 15 November 2009 09:52 (eleven years ago) link

daftendirekt always throws me

rent, Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:32 (eleven years ago) link

Pete Townshend - "Keep on Working" vs. The Kinks - "Set Me Free" - Both songs begin with the same guitar riff, but the downbeats come in at different places so that one riff is actually a kind of inside out version of the other. I knew the Townshend song first, so the Kinks song throws me every time.

Hideous Lump, Sunday, 15 November 2009 23:34 (eleven years ago) link

The beginning of "Come on Down to My Boat" by Every Mother's Son.

timellison, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 15:32 (eleven years ago) link

Grateful Dead-the Eleven

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:16 (eleven years ago) link

Basement Jaxx - Supersonic

I am flesh and blood. You are software and circuitry. (chap), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

downbeat doesn't drop until 1:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrdUsc73baI

hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

'rock your world' has always been weird to me, i want to hear the bass line starting on the other side of the phrase (ie on the 3) even though i know that's not right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrdUsc73baI

hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

Oh goodness, the chorus of "Diamond Dogs" switches the kick to an offbeat and it throws everything off in a strange way.

I also used to hear the intro to "Girl U Want" as having the first beat on the third note of the opening riff (as if the *first* note was on 4). When the drums came in it would confound.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:45 (eleven years ago) link

Musicians, is there a word for this downbeat trickery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGcKZ2U8FHs&feature=player_embedded

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

The into to "I Want To Hold Your Hand" gets me every time. Intellectually I know they're echoing the syncopation of the "I can't hide" part, but that's not how I hear it.

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 20:58 (eleven years ago) link

I've been trying to figure this one out for a while (the intro into the beginning of the song)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYfvzo331Pg

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:48 (one year ago) link

Sure, 'cause the piano chords are anticipating the downbeat by a 16th note

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:53 (one year ago) link

“Where Will I Be” by Emmylou Harris is one of these. Check out the released studio version vs either the Spyboy version or the alternate version on the expanded Wrecking Ball. Tricksy downbeat.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:55 (one year ago) link

This one drives me crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rt5sdsKlYU

MaresNest, Friday, 28 December 2018 19:03 (one year ago) link

Wow, I listened to that Emmylou one and thought I had it, but I was wrong and can't get back to how I heard it the first time. It's all due to that cool beat that Brian Blade is playing (and I checked out the live version, where his brother is on drums and doing a much more straight-forward beat).

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:10 (one year ago) link

In The Air Tonight.

DT, Friday, 28 December 2018 19:15 (one year ago) link

"I'm Free" The Who, back and forth verse and chorus are seemingly different downbeats

― billstevejim, Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:44 AM (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

On 'I'm Free', me and Pete had to play the drums and Keith played the breaks because he couldn't get the intro. He was hearing it differently from how we were, and he couldn't shake it off. So we put down the snare, the hi-hat and the tambourine part and he came in and added all the breaks. When we did it live, the only way to bring him in was for Pete and I to go like this [makes an exaggerated step], which must have looked completely nuts.
— John Entwistle[4]

When they played it live on their 1975-76 tours, Pete phrased the guitar part differently so that the one was easier to discern. No longer did he have to make an exaggerated step to cue Moon for his entrance.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:41 (one year ago) link

Wow, I listened to that Emmylou one and thought I had it, but I was wrong and can't get back to how I heard it the first time. It's all due to that cool beat that Brian Blade is playing

i love that beat, but that one seems kind of straightforward to me. the opening gtr lick lands on the downbeat, as does the last word of every line in the verse.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 28 December 2018 19:51 (one year ago) link

It seems obvious now, but I was somehow hearing everything land on the 4, with the whole band leaving out the downbeat, lol.

The beat is very second line-ish, very nice.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:58 (one year ago) link

I never listened to the Who much but it's cool listening to that track knowing how it was recorded, that's hilarious.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:05 (one year ago) link

Similarly, the first two minutes of this track by a friend's band always confounds me. The bass doesn't start on the downbeat (I think there's one 8th note of anticipation), and the key is that the snare is actually on the backbeat (with the hi-hat accents on the upbeats), but it totally doesn't feel like that. It doesn't make sense until the heavy part two minutes in.

Apparently the bass player still thinks of it totally differently from the rest of the drummer, and still somehow works live even though they disagree where the downbeat is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SXP6OeDIqk

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:09 (one year ago) link

Sure, 'cause the piano chords are anticipating the downbeat by a 16th note

― change display name (Jordan), Friday, December 28, 2018 1:53 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's what's going on DURING the verse, but I can't hear it in the transition between the intro and the verse, I think maybe the downbeat just shifts

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:32 (one year ago) link

Idk I'm pretty sure it's the same from the beginning, but it's hard to feel since the bassline is so squirrelly too. But I can tap it out and it seems to line up once the percussion comes in.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:44 (one year ago) link

"Tomorrow is Already Here" by Stereolab does this to me, but it's also in 5/4 which accounts for part of the disorientation.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 18:55 (one year ago) link

That one's easy once the maraca comes in pretty much immediately.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 20:15 (one year ago) link

It might have been mentioned already but does Roxy Music’s « the bogey man » work here ?
The drums seem pretty tricky.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 3 January 2019 23:10 (one year ago) link

Bogus Man !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 3 January 2019 23:11 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Why Music Experts Are Fighting About Ludacris

fact checking cuz, Friday, 13 November 2020 20:51 (two weeks ago) link

The chiming 12-string bridge section of "Stairway To Heaven" is a good example of this, there's another thread that goes into it. This video (warning: dude is annoying af) goes into it if you can stomach watching all the way through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhlLtd19szw

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 November 2020 20:57 (two weeks ago) link

The Ludacris thing is a very stupid argument because all you need to do to get the answer is listen to the entire song instead of just the chorus

DJP, Friday, 13 November 2020 20:59 (two weeks ago) link

everything theo parrish has ever made

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:00 (two weeks ago) link

The Ludacris thing, I'm in the third group camp. Sounds like a latin jazz rhythm (muntuno?)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 November 2020 22:07 (two weeks ago) link

Genesis - "Keep It Dark."

The guitar-only intro sounds like a loping waltz. Then the drums and keys come in, and you realize you've been listening to the off-beats of a 6/4 groove.

Weston-super-Mare, Minehead, Lynmouth, Ilfracome, etc. (SlimAndSlam), Friday, 13 November 2020 22:17 (two weeks ago) link

The Ludacris thing...yes, it's a weird beat that feels very ungrounded, and the harmonic movement of the horns make you want to feel a downbeat on the & of 1, instead of on 1.

But OF COURSE the drums are in 'half time', and of course the snare is playing backbeats.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 13 November 2020 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

yeah i found it easy to hear 2 or 3 possible downbeats at first, but once i locked in on that same understanding -- snare playing backbeats -- it suddenly became impossible for me to hear it any other way.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 13 November 2020 22:27 (two weeks ago) link

So crazy to me that I would have definitely lined up the horn phrase with the second note landing on the downbeat, like a square, but Timbaland made a CHOICE.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 13 November 2020 22:47 (two weeks ago) link

Had to look it up, Tim used a sample (err... interpolation) of the opening horns & rhythm (tumbai/muntuno) of this Senegal Africando song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiOMHAi4Bto

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 November 2020 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

Good call on Keep it Dark. Glorious Om Riff by Steve Village is syncopated in a similar vein, as is Disko by Komeda.

Publicradio (3×5), Saturday, 14 November 2020 03:49 (two weeks ago) link

Woo-Hah by Busta Rhymes? Definitely with Space by Galt McDermott, which provides the sample, it's hard to follow the downbeat all the way through the song.

Publicradio (3×5), Saturday, 14 November 2020 03:55 (two weeks ago) link

Heartbeat by Chris & Cosey, just because the 808 clap isn't "supposed to be" on the downbeat.

Publicradio (3×5), Saturday, 14 November 2020 03:57 (two weeks ago) link

I’ve never able to follow the meter of this song (maybe that’s just my own failing):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXU4P6j3TNY

it's AG in your faaaace.... (morrisp), Saturday, 14 November 2020 05:45 (two weeks ago) link

I didn't follow the Ludacris debate but, listening now, idk why you wouldn't just hear the snare as the backbeat.

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Saturday, 14 November 2020 06:07 (two weeks ago) link

the ariana song is a mid-tempo 4/4 with the fingersnaps on 3.

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 14 November 2020 10:03 (two weeks ago) link

what makes "get well soon" hard to follow is it's heavily syncopated and often there isn't anything on the 1

ufo, Saturday, 14 November 2020 10:43 (two weeks ago) link

Ride of the Valkyries. I just discovered the downbeat is not where I always thought it was, and I'm guessing most other people mis-hear it as well. I was watching a Youtube video, and the conductor looked out of time until I realized....whoa. My mind is kind of blown.

Guy on the internet (B'wana Beast), Sunday, 22 November 2020 06:20 (one week ago) link

I'm very curious about this, because I can't imagine it anywhere else?

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:04 (four days ago) link

Trying to unhear it the way I do and am pondering the string stabs during the main riff?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:06 (four days ago) link

Here are two ways to hear Ride of the Valkyries, in each the downbeat is capitalized.

1 2 3 1 2 3
1) DUT dadut daaaaa daaaaa DUT dadut daaaaa daaaaa etc.

1 2 3 1 2
2) dut dadut DAAAAA daaaaa dut dadut DAAAAA daaaaa etc.

The first one is how Wagner wrote it. The second is the way I've always heard it.

Guy on the internet (B'wana Beast), Friday, 27 November 2020 08:39 (two days ago) link

I'm interested in this phenomenon, especially when you're approaching a dance rig and the first round you hear are the high hats, but because you perceive them out of time they take on an almost ska-like quality 'mm-TSSS-UH mm-TSSS-UH' until you get closer and hear the kick drum and the whole beat switches into place. Any dance producers played on this before?

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Friday, 27 November 2020 10:21 (two days ago) link

"Lost In Music" always gives me a little double take, which is part of the pleasure imo - it's like 'the pocket' is so deep in this song, the pocket has a pocket of its own

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 November 2020 21:41 (two days ago) link

dl I have "played" on this many times by accidentally lining the records up on the off-beat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 November 2020 21:42 (two days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSroXhI2uZs

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 November 2020 21:42 (two days ago) link

Ahhh, that makes sense re: Valkyries. I've always heard the 1st way but the 2nd way makes sense.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 27 November 2020 21:46 (two days ago) link

Dog latin - same.

I don't really get the Sister Sledge thing because the beat is so strong. But I have a hard time hearing the intro to Rufus & Chaka 'Tell Me Something Good' correctly, with the wah wah keys on the downbeat and the bass on the upbeat.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 27 November 2020 22:12 (two days ago) link

catches me off guard every time it finally "snaps into place" on this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxZvikbX7RA

cosmic vision | bleak epiphany | erotic email (map), Friday, 27 November 2020 22:22 (two days ago) link

I must admit, when I listen to Valkyries, I only hear it Wagner's way-- the chords are also changing on the downbeat

That said, had you asked me to sit down at the piano and play it, prior to "just now", when I rewatched/relistened, I would've absolutely weighted it (and had the chords change) as you've described in your 2nd example, B'wana Beast. Interesting

Also wild to hear how John Williams's whole "heroic" mode contains all these orchestral devices

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 27 November 2020 22:52 (two days ago) link

"No Reply At All" doesn't belong on this thread but having seen "Keep It Dark" mentioned here I relistened to both it the former and, well, the album Abacab slaps

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 27 November 2020 22:54 (two days ago) link

*both it and the former

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 27 November 2020 22:54 (two days ago) link

I think Phil Collins must've been fond of this downbeat trick, because the verses in "Dance on a Volcano" do a similar thing.

enochroot, Friday, 27 November 2020 23:01 (two days ago) link

I have two of these:

Amazing Journey by The Who - The opening always fools me that the downbeat is on the first chord of each pair, when in fact it is the second chord (one and a half beats later). Daltrey also starts singing on the downbeat, but it doesn't become clear to me until the drums come in. Maybe the backwards feedback over the intro is also misleading.

Mechanical World by Spirit - I only figured out tonight that the downbeat in the verses is on the third hi-hat hit, not the first, which was misleading me completely. The whole song is in straight 4/4 if you count it properly!

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 29 November 2020 05:20 (three hours ago) link


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