amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

pour one out for all the narcissists who didn't amass global fanbases

I suddenly want her to record Kanye's "Runaway"

kanye is at least a narcissist who occasionally creates good art

I believe you mean "created"

beaten to the punch

all true

I'm skipping around on Who Killed Amanda Palmer now and can't hear any interstitial faked suicides, so maybe she has thought better of it since and removed them?

I did hear a Dresden Dolls song I liked once but that doesn't make up for how much of a dick she was during my friends' opera cabaret

I've known several people like this in my life. And some of them I hated, and some of them I quite liked. They are narcissists and think they are the smartest people in the room; sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. But it's not just narcissism, there's something else wrong with them. I can't quite put my finger on it. At any rate these days I avoid people like this, they are a time suck.

I’ve known a few ppl like this past and present and it wipes me out being around them bc they’re often v charismatic and in even small social circles demanding w/r/t attention and very careful about their self image, and if you’re around them you can feel the vortex swirling towards them the entire time. I’ve learned how to handle the ones I presently know, in terms of not being affected by it, but several of these ppl have been very close friends. And it is difficult; I think for me the “something else” is that their “generosity” and “hospitality” often seems to be a way that they’ll ensure they remain the center of attention, and for a couple of them the bonds of friendship are only as powerful as how you can make them look better or fit into the particular image they want to project at that time.

I've lived with ppl like this and the pattern of "oh, you want to calmly explain why you didn't support me unconditionally means YOU are the angry one and I'm being attacked" is both tiring and can perpetuate some half-assed stockholm syndrome if you continue to be in their presence.

Uuuuggghhhh she is truly the worst thing to happen to Amandas since that atrocious Boston song 👎👎👎

that cites one of her crimes as using the "r-word" in a song .... like 15-20 years ago, when it wasn't the same kind of horrible insensitive dick move it is now ...

Ummmm, yeah it was.

Amanda fucking Palmer everyone!

*slow claps sarcastically* pic.twitter.com/RkE65nxI7N

— Valterra Bella (@ItsValterra) November 22, 2019

that r-word song is 11 years old btw

that's when it came out on an album. who knows when she wrote it.

I wish I could say "I can't believe she responded to that Valterra Bella tweet with 'I apologize for that to anyone who wasn't mean to me'" and mean I was surprised about the "mean to me" part and not that she apologized at all

Just discovered she is married to Neil Gaiman. Poor bastard.

This radical compassion shtick is so weirdly aggressive

goodnight, all. i love every single one of you. yes...even you. nothing you can say to stop me. i just love you a whole lot. sleep tight, dream sweetly.

don’t forget that hurt people hurt people, and we can have endless compassion for one another if we just do it. so, do it.
♥️

— Amanda Palmer Is Touring Europe & the UK (@amandapalmer) November 22, 2019

I'm not mad, I'm actually hugging you.

my god

https://www.facebook.com/donate/420634415500503/


On September 28th, Amanda casually used a racist slur onstage during a performance, which deeply offended Chez, but she kept her concerns to herself for a few days while she gathered her thoughts. On September 30th, while Amanda was taking a brief break from touring to spend time at Jeff Bezo's campfire gathering of his ultra rich friends and supporters, Amanda messaged Chez to compliment her work and express her pleasure with Chez's performance (in AFP's own words to Chez, "You really did rock it on tour. I'm incredibly grateful for all your hard work and your effort - it's such a hard, weird job. Thank you.")

Chez continued corresponding with AFP and her management (Top Shelf, in Sydney NSW) about work related matters through October 4th, although Amanda now claims she was considering firing Chez before that date, but on October 4th Chez contacted Amanda Palmer privately to address Amanda's casual use of offensive racial slurs, specifically "ni**er", and to suggest how Amanda might handle the frustration and pain in her own fan community over Amanda's use of that word. In retaliation, with no further communication, Amanda Palmer fired Chez on October 7th, terminating her contract immediately, claiming that Chez's work performance was somehow no longer up to standard, and leaving Chez stranded to find her own way back home to the US from Holland. AFP's manager Jordan Verzar, from Top Shelf, advised Chez that upon the finalisation and handover of Chez's work with accounting etc as tour manager, she would be paid two week's severance and that would be that.

I really don't think it's controversial to say she's an asshole at this point

SOMEONE isn't doing endless compassion!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hint hint

Since that time, Chez has repeatedly contacted Jordan at Top Shelf to receive payment of her final invoice (of only $5200 - and Amanda is a millionaire who makes over $110,000 a month from her Patreon donations alone)

ukuleles ain't cheap

Another thing about center of attention type narcissists is that people love to please them and shower them with gifts and there’s something to that beyond generosity.

I would like to put Amanda Palmer in a room with Joel Osteen and see what happens

Put those two in a room, and the money will just roll in. Prosperity Rock.

President Trump Announces His Faith and the Arts panel with Osteen, Kanye and AP. First subject: "Why Are We Victims?"

my twitter feed is currently awash in cruel, school-yard-level internet bullying. i saw an anti-semitic comment about my husband that was so vile it made my stomach turn. no. enough.
i will gladly have a civil conversation about media, journalism & patreon with anyone who wants.

— Amanda Palmer Is Touring Europe & the UK (@amandapalmer) November 22, 2019

As much as it sucks that people do this shit, the whole "a bunch of people are criticizing me, in fact somebody sent (vile thing)" move is pretty expected now

She's gonna start charging people to have conversations with her.

Or maybe it'll be opt out: you'll have to pay *not* to hear from her.

remember when she had the epiphany that the future of being a musician online was to groom a cult of personality to whom you could sell literal trash

she wasn't wrong

true

I've just rediscovered that I'd blocked her on Twitter

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18lf76w8cdpm6gif/original.gif

pour one out for all the narcissists who didn't amass global fanbases

wait what abt me

that cites one of her crimes as using the "r-word" in a song .... like 15-20 years ago, when it wasn't the same kind of horrible insensitive dick move it is now ...

Ummmm, yeah it was.

― emil.y, Friday, November 22, 2019 7:38 AM (five hours ago)

Even 11 years ago, as someone pointed out upthread ... it was "edgy" but still socially acceptable. Dunno what kinda historical re-write you are aiming for, or maybe it's a UK vs. US thing, seriously do I need to pull up pages of ilx search results to prove you wrong? Because you are wrong.

god she is giving all of us a bad name
she is the worst!!

It's definitely a US vs UK thing; we had a bunch of on-board fights about it

Aha! well, it's definitely not a battle I want to spend any more time on that's for sure

low stakes in the grand scheme, but 'who wants to fly me across europe so i don't have to get up early' is a+

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7FeqOXUAI99Yw.jpg:small

The perfect ending to this story would be for one of her lunatic fans to pick her up in some crappy homemade plane and go down in the Channel/North Sea.

Etsy Airlines

Oh god, oh god, the Honduran immigrants story.

(A thing can be socially acceptable and still a horrible insensitive dick move but)

AP is pretty clearly a dickhead whatever, witness a pattern of behaviour that, yes, exists on a continuum from embarrassing and tone-deaf to quite shit to repulsive, but has been pretty consistent for a long time

Having said that I’m in the same boat as most ilxors ito only really knowing her through the lens of this thread and latterly Twitter (ie “look at this fuck”) and was only recently subjected by a friend to a clip of some horrible song of hers - seeing her greatest hits being revived on social media has elicited some very grim chuckles I have to say

hadn't heard that story before:

My crew once pulled our van up to a really poor Miami neighborhood and we found out that our couchsurfing host for the night was an 18-year-old girl, still living at home, and her family were all undocumented immigrants from Honduras. And that night, her whole family took the couches and she slept together with her mom so that we could take their beds. And I lay there thinking, these people have so little. Is this fair? And in the morning, her mom taught us how to try to make tortillas and wanted to give me a Bible, and she took me aside and she said to me in her broken English, “Your music has helped my daughter so much. Thank you for staying here. We’re all so grateful.” And I thought, this is fair. This is this.

A couple months later, I was in Manhattan, and I tweeted for a crash pad, and at midnight, I’m ringing a doorbell on the Lower East Side, and it occurs to me I’ve never actually done this alone. I’ve always been with my band or my crew. Is this what stupid people do? Is this how stupid people die? And before I can change my mind, the door busts open. She’s an artist. He’s a financial blogger for Reuters, and they’re pouring me a glass of red wine and offering me a bath, and I have had thousands of nights like that and like that.

which honduran immigrants story? why am I looking into this trainwreck?

oh there it is