amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

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http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/227061643/dear-robert-smith-an-open-letter

I've done this a few times myself and it always spins the ol' head around.
Generally quite nicely put.

I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:09 (eleven years ago) link

Will have to give that a closer reread but that beyond rules.

But Dan's going to hate what she's going nuts for in the final photo.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

hahahahahahaha I did get to the end and go "OH COME THE FUCK ON"

but yeah, that pretty much exactly encapsulates why I still listen to The Cure (and why, in general, I think making fun of anyone for liking a "past-their-prime" band is the hallmark of an irredeemable dick)

ADVANCED CHORD CHANGES (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:25 (eleven years ago) link

Interesting.

Getting backstage at The Cure show at the Greek in Berkeley in '87 (I think) was the highlight of my life at the time.

l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:33 (eleven years ago) link

hahahahahahaha I did get to the end and go "OH COME THE FUCK ON"

Seriously LOLing for real here.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:33 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

"Amanda Palmer performs the popular hits of Radiohead on her magical ukelele" EP out tomorrow:

http://music.amandapalmer.net/album/amanda-palmer-performs-the-popular-hits-of-radiohead-on-her-magical-ukulele

StanM, Monday, 19 July 2010 19:37 (ten years ago) link

fuck that

it seems like the only thing that poor instrument is used for anymore is for shitty covers

Anticipating The Nation - High Islam (LOLK), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:10 (ten years ago) link

extra 'for' in that last one

Anticipating The Nation - High Islam (LOLK), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:11 (ten years ago) link

fake plastic covers

crispy hexagon sun (crüt), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:12 (ten years ago) link

I've spent quality time with Amanda. Never seen the Cure though. I would like to.

Nate Carson, Monday, 19 July 2010 23:34 (ten years ago) link

Always hated this woman, her music, her shitty graphic design & her terrible personal brand.

the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Monday, 19 July 2010 23:44 (ten years ago) link

Jeez.

Anyway...

I never ever had this close a connection to any rock star, father figure, or (day I see it) hero type as so many people have done. To the extent that I wanted to follow them or be them (beyond the thought that I'd like that job yeah, sure)...

Even to the extent that I don't even have a default understanding of the mindset beyond appreciating how someone else might feel in the situation.

Anyway, nice letter, it's good to be happy.

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 00:00 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

my extreme distate for dresden dolls, that letter, her wordiness, etc, put me off listening to 'who killed amanda palmer' until now but I really like it, it's a good record.

akm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 06:03 (nine years ago) link

nine months pass...

She may not get a lot of ILM love, but getting crowdfunded to the tune of $1m is still something worthy of note, I would say.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/amandapalmer/amanda-palmer-the-new-record-art-book-and-tour/posts/232020

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 27 August 2012 22:29 (eight years ago) link

also recently filled in for erykah badu as bathtub fodder

This cad needs a cordial introduction to Eugene of Oxbow. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 05:14 (eight years ago) link

25,000 people pledged an average of $50... how

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:06 (eight years ago) link

25,000 people pledged an average of $50... how

I was sitting next to the writer Neil Gaiman in a pizzeria today, and he was with this lady with tattooed eyebrows and a bunch of Bard kids who appeared to be shlepping them around.

Tonight I learned that she's Amanda Palmer, and they're married. Also that Gaiman is some kind of Upper Poobah Lightning Level Scientologist (son of former U.K. Scientology boss and Vitamin mogul David Gaiman), and that many suspect the $1 million was just poured in through Sea.Org (fancy Scientology people) as part of a pretty sneaky publicity stunt....

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:07 (eight years ago) link

and now I guess I should be drawing the blinds or changing my display name or something

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:08 (eight years ago) link

Also that Gaiman is some kind of Upper Poobah Lightning Level Scientologist

this is not true, although his family are still. (he was actually listed as supressive for a long time iirc). and anyone who needs to make up conspiracy theories abt Palmer's fanbase and social media aptitude has prob not read anything about her, or spoken to anyone who likes her, in the last five years.

itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:19 (eight years ago) link

What's a suppressive?

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:25 (eight years ago) link

WTF Church of Scientology is in my iPhone! Just resumed scrabble game and "Hard" robot played ENGRAM(!)

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:27 (eight years ago) link

^true

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:28 (eight years ago) link

Wait hold on

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/rockers-playing-for-beer-fair-play/?hp

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:03 (eight years ago) link

um

isn't that the entire point of funding your enterprise via Kickstarter, so that you can raise enough money for the things you want

on the flip side, this appears to be a "hey fan musicians, I invite you to play with me for a night on stage" thing and, as such, should be looked upon as a giveaway for amateur musicians rather than a solicitation for professionals

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:07 (eight years ago) link

hahah goddamn musicians union folks are weird. DJP otm.

with the ghostly "YOOOOOOOOOOOOHHOOOO" vocals? (crüt), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 19:48 (eight years ago) link

oh don't get me wrong, if she was doing this to drum up her core band she would deserve every bit of invective and more

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 19:49 (eight years ago) link

What's the distinction your drawing there, though? "one gig vs a tour" or "horns & strings vs guitar/drums" or "a few songs vs the whole show"?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 12:01 (eight years ago) link

*you're

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 12:01 (eight years ago) link

If she's doing a "let me bring out enthusiastic fans at each show to do a song or two" thing, then who cares

If she's doing a "let me fill out my band for the majority of my set with people I don't have to actually pay" thing, she should fuck off

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:18 (eight years ago) link

i had never paid any attention to this person until this musician thing, which is shitty. but even shitter, she apparently was dating (pre-gaiman) someone who was a recovered drug addict and relapsed, and she faked a suicide attempt to show him how hurt she was by it, and recorded his reaction to finding her and thinking she had killed herself, and used it on an album. he later committed suicide. how is this person real?! that is stomach turning.

john zorn has ruined klezmer for an entire generation (bene_gesserit), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:26 (eight years ago) link

holy shit, is that for real

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:33 (eight years ago) link

http://youtu.be/h57XWrFNGs8

5:10

this woman, holy shit

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:39 (eight years ago) link

I hated this woman anyway for being a total shit to my friends when they were doing Weill cabaret, this is next level

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:41 (eight years ago) link

ennh, she was 18 and the "gf fakes a suicide" -> "he commits suicide" connection doesn't ring true for me. It is so fucked up that she'd put that recording on an album, though, oh my god.

would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:58 (eight years ago) link

and christ, pay your musicians. Amateur vs. professional who the fuck cares. More like "I am blessed with a worshipful fanbase now let me exploit you for cheap labour"

would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:59 (eight years ago) link

haha Owen I think we're pretty much on the same page here with minor deviations

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:01 (eight years ago) link

like... always?

would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:05 (eight years ago) link

he said here.

Mark G, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:10 (eight years ago) link

ennh, she was 18 and the "gf fakes a suicide" -> "he commits suicide" connection doesn't ring true for me. It is so fucked up that she'd put that recording on an album, though, oh my god

yeah i wasn't making the connection that he committed suicide because of her, it was more of an aside. but faking suicide is horribly abusive behavior, and using the recording on an album implies she has no remorse about it.

john zorn has ruined klezmer for an entire generation (bene_gesserit), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:22 (eight years ago) link

If she's doing a "let me bring out enthusiastic fans at each show to do a song or two" thing, then who cares

If she's doing a "let me fill out my band for the majority of my set with people I don't have to actually pay" thing, she should fuck off

― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, this is OTM. I think if one of my favourite bands put out a call for people to show up and play either a track they already know or jam out some psych a la Suzuki's Network, I'd jump at it and not expect payment. However, if it was "please learn my entire set, be present at a rehearsal, play for the entire show or at least when and where I expect you to" then I would find that a very different proposition indeed.

emil.y, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:23 (eight years ago) link

The string/horn sections she pulled together for the immediate post-Kickstarter mini-tour thing were all fans who opted in. They were asked to learn two songs I think, and turn up in time to soundcheck - and they looked like the happiest damn fans on earth onstage (as well as actually being really good).

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:26 (eight years ago) link

i had never paid any attention to this person until this musician thing, which is shitty. but even shitter, she apparently was dating (pre-gaiman) someone who was a recovered drug addict and relapsed, and she faked a suicide attempt to show him how hurt she was by it, and recorded his reaction to finding her and thinking she had killed herself, and used it on an album. he later committed suicide. how is this person real?! that is stomach turning.

She's also ableist. I think she's an asshole.

NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:36 (eight years ago) link

You guys don't understand, she's an artist. You can't be an artist and an asshole at the same time, they're like matter / anti-matter.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:37 (eight years ago) link

(If I listen carefully, I can probably hear DJP's reaction to that from across the Atlantic)

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:40 (eight years ago) link

I think a lot of the greatest artists have been complete and total assholes, and she's certainly living up to that. But women get given a harder time for ~not being nice~ and the level of assholehood required to be a ~great~ artist, so I try to cut female rock stars some slack on that count, i.e. The Courtney Love Clause.

The problem is, I've never heard any work of Amanda Palmer's that actually inspired me or blew me away in the way that I require ~great art~ to do. Which may well be my failure to appreciate it. So it's complicated.

Atomow dhe Kres? MY A VYNN, mar pleg! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:43 (eight years ago) link

Oy oy oy, that Evelyn Evelyn thing. I would have no problem if it was a Victoriana/Steampunk concept album about conjoined twins, really, but... positioning them in the contemporary world? Pretending that you rescued them? Giving *quite* such a distressing backstory to the record? DRESSING as them?

emil.y, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:44 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, that thing Nicole posted, that was the thing that really just crystalised a lot of the floating discomfort I'd been experiencing about her and her schtick. But, like I said, it's complicated.

Atomow dhe Kres? MY A VYNN, mar pleg! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:50 (eight years ago) link

but faking suicide is horribly abusive behavior, and using the recording on an album implies she has no remorse about it.

I've not knowingly heard an amanda palmer record but she reminds me so so so strongly of girls i used to know -- there can be this sense that making art around something shitty that you did is a way of working through it, the experience and your own behaviour? I mean, to me it is a terrible thing to have used that recording on an album that you release and get money for, but I can sense the edges of the logic that leads to it. Also i do not think her behaviour can be held responsible for his later suicide.

Like WCC says, it's complicated - because there've been these girls I knew who would have been so happy to grow up into Amanda Palmer, the very phenomenon of her existence is dear to me -- even when she does stuff like the Evelyn Evelyn project, which was frankly repulsive.

v for viennetta (c sharp major), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:55 (eight years ago) link

I think I'm probably misreading you, WCC - your first paragraph seems to suggest that there's a minimum level of assholehood required to be a great artists? But your second suggests that if she was a great artist, she'd get a reduction in effective assholehood?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:59 (eight years ago) link

in short, Great artists tend to be assholes, but assholes do not tend to be great artists.

Mark G, Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:05 (eight years ago) link

This is it, the platonic ideal of an Amanda Palmer tweet

just walked into a coffeeshop here in aotearoa new zealand and everybody behind the counter, not really knowing me but knowing i was american, erupted in spontaneous applause

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

— Amanda Palmer 🎹 (@amandapalmer) January 20, 2021

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:00 (one month ago) link

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolollllll

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:01 (one month ago) link

haha suckit NZ lmao

sorry

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:10 (one month ago) link

not sorry

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:13 (one month ago) link

she's so good at being amanda palmer, you gotta hand it to her

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:15 (one month ago) link

aaaaaaaaaaaa she did a ukulele improv when she woke up (having missed the inauguration live cuz new zealand) and i'm dying and my wife is yelling at me to put on headphones, this is everything i needed to process today thank you amanda palmer :..)

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:18 (one month ago) link

Not since Jacob Wohl.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:19 (one month ago) link

Amanda Palmer is like a crash test dummy at the rake factory or sthing

Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:20 (one month ago) link

it's all too much

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 21 January 2021 01:21 (one month ago) link

How exactly did it take "a lot of work" for you to see your kid again nine months after you voluntarily left him, Neil?

Lily Dale, Thursday, 21 January 2021 02:05 (one month ago) link

(or her/them, as the case may be - I just realized I don't actually know what gender Neil Gaiman's kid is)

Lily Dale, Thursday, 21 January 2021 02:08 (one month ago) link

He spent months applying for, and being refused, compassionate visas.

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 21 January 2021 02:17 (one month ago) link

The compassionate thing would be to take the kid away from these two narcissists.

Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Thursday, 21 January 2021 02:47 (one month ago) link

I imagine the evaluation process was like "soooo, what was the reason you were separated in the first place?" "I broke a bunch of quarantine laws to get away from my partner and kid" and then raised eyebrows, appeal denied. But on this occasion the reviewer asked who the partner was.

assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 21 January 2021 02:54 (one month ago) link

I'm so proud of her

Fetchboy, Thursday, 21 January 2021 03:34 (one month ago) link

Everytime I've walked into a coffeeshop there in aotearoa new zealand, the guy behind the counter has asked me "what can I get you, boss?"

Pre-Raphaelite Brah (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 21 January 2021 09:03 (one month ago) link

I just a left a hipster coffee shop. It was packed with Kiwis, whispering amongst each other about what a commendable job President Biden did with his speech at the Inauguration

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 21 January 2021 09:34 (one month ago) link

oh no

well, this tweet also spawned the first time i’ve ever seen “yankee go home” in my feed from a kiwi, so clearly, yes, some people here hate americans. good to know, thanks guys.

takeaway = stick to the coffeeshops, where the people seem to be consistently kind ♥️☕️🙏🏼

— Amanda Palmer 🎹 (@amandapalmer) January 21, 2021

scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 21 January 2021 09:58 (one month ago) link

have to agree with my Kiwi friend there

Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Thursday, 21 January 2021 10:14 (one month ago) link

They managed to keep out corona but got stuck with Amanda Palmer. Thoughts & prayers for New Zealand in these trying times

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 21 January 2021 10:28 (one month ago) link

How much should you tip when your server applauds you for your nationality?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 January 2021 11:25 (one month ago) link

if there were any justice the tips would be going to Amanda

Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Thursday, 21 January 2021 11:32 (one month ago) link

I fee like we have over looked an important detail:

just walked into a coffeeshop here in aotearoa new zealand and everybody behind the counter

So two people

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 21 January 2021 14:32 (one month ago) link

lol that's the best bit

kinder, Thursday, 21 January 2021 14:39 (one month ago) link

TS: Living Through Pandemic for One Year or Living with Amanda Palmer for One Year

Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Thursday, 21 January 2021 14:47 (one month ago) link

It also stretches belief that she had not told those people who she was

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 January 2021 14:48 (one month ago) link

I've seen it pointed out that it just being the staff makes it more likely - "maybe this will get her to tip with money rather than hugs"

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 January 2021 14:50 (one month ago) link

first prize for loud clapping is getting to sing a track on the new amanda palmer album

second prize is singing on two tracks

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 January 2021 14:56 (one month ago) link

They managed to keep out corona but got stuck with Amanda Palmer. Thoughts & prayers for New Zealand in these trying times

― Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, January 21, 2021 5:28 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

there seems to be sufficient evidence that the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 is avoiding amanda palmer

, Thursday, 21 January 2021 15:05 (one month ago) link

It also stretches belief that she had not told those people who she was

come on - i simply cant imagine that amanda palmer could find a way to bring up the election and talk about herself while placing her coffee order. nope, simply not possible. it was "spontaneous".

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 January 2021 15:26 (one month ago) link

How many people were behind this coffee counter exactly?
I'd say you need 20-25 people applauding pretty bloody hard for it to count as an eruption. Anything else is a light round or a golf clap.

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 21 January 2021 15:32 (one month ago) link

i see we have covered this

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 21 January 2021 15:32 (one month ago) link

Okay so clearly this was a flashmob

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 21 January 2021 15:33 (one month ago) link

The slow hand clap means something different in the US, right?

kinder, Thursday, 21 January 2021 15:41 (one month ago) link

I wanted to go to New Zealand but they told me I'd have to stay in my hotel room for two weeks until they could be sure I wasn't Amanda Palmer

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 21 January 2021 16:16 (one month ago) link

It also stretches belief that she had not told those people who she was
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 January 2021 14:48

I like to picture an unpaid intern preceding her to hand out "you have met me" cards, like Steve Martin did.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 21 January 2021 16:29 (one month ago) link

"And I said to myself: this is fair."

jmm, Thursday, 21 January 2021 16:31 (one month ago) link

takeaway = stick to the coffeeshops, where the people seem to be consistently kind ♥️☕️🙏🏼

I checked but somehow she has continued tweeting after this?

come on - i simply cant imagine that amanda palmer could find a way to bring up the election and talk about herself while placing her coffee order. nope, simply not possible. it was "spontaneous".

tbf I assume that after ten months in an airbnb in a town of 60,000, staff at a place she goes to regularly "not knowing who she is but knowing the loud lady with a loud American accent and fake eyebrows is American" is probably as common as she says

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 21 January 2021 18:46 (one month ago) link

Lol, "the guy I talked to about the inauguration the day before clapped and said congrats" is not quite the same story.

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Friday, 22 January 2021 04:10 (one month ago) link

guys, let's try to get her twitter banned for spreading misinformation and FAKE NEWS

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 22 January 2021 04:57 (one month ago) link

(update: town of 15k now we've narrowed it down, too)

shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 22 January 2021 05:29 (one month ago) link

first the Hawke's Bay region had that earthquake in 1931 and now they have to deal with THIS

Pre-Raphaelite Brah (King Boy Pato), Friday, 22 January 2021 11:36 (one month ago) link

brilliant

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 22 January 2021 12:53 (one month ago) link

I'm imagining a version of No Exit with Donald Trump and Amanda Palmer stuck in a room forever ... hopefully I wouldn't be the third person.

sarahell, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:18 (one month ago) link

sarahell is other peo- ah, forget it

imago, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:24 (one month ago) link

just c&p to "username/post" lj

sarahell, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:49 (one month ago) link

lol @ kiwis getting riled up over ppl believing or doubting this story

Left, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:12 (one month ago) link

fwiw, i'd be pretty riled up if i were falsely accused of participating in a standing ovation for this clown too!

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:15 (one month ago) link


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