amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

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http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/227061643/dear-robert-smith-an-open-letter

I've done this a few times myself and it always spins the ol' head around.
Generally quite nicely put.

I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:09 (twelve years ago) link

Will have to give that a closer reread but that beyond rules.

But Dan's going to hate what she's going nuts for in the final photo.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

hahahahahahaha I did get to the end and go "OH COME THE FUCK ON"

but yeah, that pretty much exactly encapsulates why I still listen to The Cure (and why, in general, I think making fun of anyone for liking a "past-their-prime" band is the hallmark of an irredeemable dick)

ADVANCED CHORD CHANGES (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

Interesting.

Getting backstage at The Cure show at the Greek in Berkeley in '87 (I think) was the highlight of my life at the time.

l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

hahahahahahaha I did get to the end and go "OH COME THE FUCK ON"

Seriously LOLing for real here.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

eight months pass...

"Amanda Palmer performs the popular hits of Radiohead on her magical ukelele" EP out tomorrow:

http://music.amandapalmer.net/album/amanda-palmer-performs-the-popular-hits-of-radiohead-on-her-magical-ukulele

StanM, Monday, 19 July 2010 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

fuck that

it seems like the only thing that poor instrument is used for anymore is for shitty covers

Anticipating The Nation - High Islam (LOLK), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

extra 'for' in that last one

Anticipating The Nation - High Islam (LOLK), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

fake plastic covers

crispy hexagon sun (crüt), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

I've spent quality time with Amanda. Never seen the Cure though. I would like to.

Nate Carson, Monday, 19 July 2010 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

Always hated this woman, her music, her shitty graphic design & her terrible personal brand.

the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Monday, 19 July 2010 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

Jeez.

Anyway...

I never ever had this close a connection to any rock star, father figure, or (day I see it) hero type as so many people have done. To the extent that I wanted to follow them or be them (beyond the thought that I'd like that job yeah, sure)...

Even to the extent that I don't even have a default understanding of the mindset beyond appreciating how someone else might feel in the situation.

Anyway, nice letter, it's good to be happy.

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

my extreme distate for dresden dolls, that letter, her wordiness, etc, put me off listening to 'who killed amanda palmer' until now but I really like it, it's a good record.

akm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 06:03 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

She may not get a lot of ILM love, but getting crowdfunded to the tune of $1m is still something worthy of note, I would say.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/amandapalmer/amanda-palmer-the-new-record-art-book-and-tour/posts/232020

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 27 August 2012 22:29 (nine years ago) link

also recently filled in for erykah badu as bathtub fodder

This cad needs a cordial introduction to Eugene of Oxbow. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 05:14 (nine years ago) link

25,000 people pledged an average of $50... how

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:06 (nine years ago) link

25,000 people pledged an average of $50... how

I was sitting next to the writer Neil Gaiman in a pizzeria today, and he was with this lady with tattooed eyebrows and a bunch of Bard kids who appeared to be shlepping them around.

Tonight I learned that she's Amanda Palmer, and they're married. Also that Gaiman is some kind of Upper Poobah Lightning Level Scientologist (son of former U.K. Scientology boss and Vitamin mogul David Gaiman), and that many suspect the $1 million was just poured in through Sea.Org (fancy Scientology people) as part of a pretty sneaky publicity stunt....

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:07 (nine years ago) link

and now I guess I should be drawing the blinds or changing my display name or something

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:08 (nine years ago) link

Also that Gaiman is some kind of Upper Poobah Lightning Level Scientologist

this is not true, although his family are still. (he was actually listed as supressive for a long time iirc). and anyone who needs to make up conspiracy theories abt Palmer's fanbase and social media aptitude has prob not read anything about her, or spoken to anyone who likes her, in the last five years.

itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:19 (nine years ago) link

What's a suppressive?

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:25 (nine years ago) link

WTF Church of Scientology is in my iPhone! Just resumed scrabble game and "Hard" robot played ENGRAM(!)

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:27 (nine years ago) link

^true

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:28 (nine years ago) link

Wait hold on

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/rockers-playing-for-beer-fair-play/?hp

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:03 (nine years ago) link

um

isn't that the entire point of funding your enterprise via Kickstarter, so that you can raise enough money for the things you want

on the flip side, this appears to be a "hey fan musicians, I invite you to play with me for a night on stage" thing and, as such, should be looked upon as a giveaway for amateur musicians rather than a solicitation for professionals

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:07 (nine years ago) link

hahah goddamn musicians union folks are weird. DJP otm.

with the ghostly "YOOOOOOOOOOOOHHOOOO" vocals? (crüt), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 19:48 (nine years ago) link

oh don't get me wrong, if she was doing this to drum up her core band she would deserve every bit of invective and more

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 19:49 (nine years ago) link

What's the distinction your drawing there, though? "one gig vs a tour" or "horns & strings vs guitar/drums" or "a few songs vs the whole show"?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 12:01 (nine years ago) link

*you're

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 12:01 (nine years ago) link

If she's doing a "let me bring out enthusiastic fans at each show to do a song or two" thing, then who cares

If she's doing a "let me fill out my band for the majority of my set with people I don't have to actually pay" thing, she should fuck off

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:18 (nine years ago) link

i had never paid any attention to this person until this musician thing, which is shitty. but even shitter, she apparently was dating (pre-gaiman) someone who was a recovered drug addict and relapsed, and she faked a suicide attempt to show him how hurt she was by it, and recorded his reaction to finding her and thinking she had killed herself, and used it on an album. he later committed suicide. how is this person real?! that is stomach turning.

john zorn has ruined klezmer for an entire generation (bene_gesserit), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:26 (nine years ago) link

holy shit, is that for real

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:33 (nine years ago) link

http://youtu.be/h57XWrFNGs8

5:10

this woman, holy shit

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:39 (nine years ago) link

I hated this woman anyway for being a total shit to my friends when they were doing Weill cabaret, this is next level

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:41 (nine years ago) link

ennh, she was 18 and the "gf fakes a suicide" -> "he commits suicide" connection doesn't ring true for me. It is so fucked up that she'd put that recording on an album, though, oh my god.

would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:58 (nine years ago) link

and christ, pay your musicians. Amateur vs. professional who the fuck cares. More like "I am blessed with a worshipful fanbase now let me exploit you for cheap labour"

would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:59 (nine years ago) link

haha Owen I think we're pretty much on the same page here with minor deviations

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:01 (nine years ago) link

like... always?

would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:05 (nine years ago) link

he said here.

Mark G, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:10 (nine years ago) link

ennh, she was 18 and the "gf fakes a suicide" -> "he commits suicide" connection doesn't ring true for me. It is so fucked up that she'd put that recording on an album, though, oh my god

yeah i wasn't making the connection that he committed suicide because of her, it was more of an aside. but faking suicide is horribly abusive behavior, and using the recording on an album implies she has no remorse about it.

john zorn has ruined klezmer for an entire generation (bene_gesserit), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:22 (nine years ago) link

If she's doing a "let me bring out enthusiastic fans at each show to do a song or two" thing, then who cares

If she's doing a "let me fill out my band for the majority of my set with people I don't have to actually pay" thing, she should fuck off

― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, this is OTM. I think if one of my favourite bands put out a call for people to show up and play either a track they already know or jam out some psych a la Suzuki's Network, I'd jump at it and not expect payment. However, if it was "please learn my entire set, be present at a rehearsal, play for the entire show or at least when and where I expect you to" then I would find that a very different proposition indeed.

emil.y, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:23 (nine years ago) link

The string/horn sections she pulled together for the immediate post-Kickstarter mini-tour thing were all fans who opted in. They were asked to learn two songs I think, and turn up in time to soundcheck - and they looked like the happiest damn fans on earth onstage (as well as actually being really good).

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:26 (nine years ago) link

i had never paid any attention to this person until this musician thing, which is shitty. but even shitter, she apparently was dating (pre-gaiman) someone who was a recovered drug addict and relapsed, and she faked a suicide attempt to show him how hurt she was by it, and recorded his reaction to finding her and thinking she had killed herself, and used it on an album. he later committed suicide. how is this person real?! that is stomach turning.

She's also ableist. I think she's an asshole.

NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:36 (nine years ago) link

You guys don't understand, she's an artist. You can't be an artist and an asshole at the same time, they're like matter / anti-matter.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:37 (nine years ago) link

(If I listen carefully, I can probably hear DJP's reaction to that from across the Atlantic)

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:40 (nine years ago) link

I think a lot of the greatest artists have been complete and total assholes, and she's certainly living up to that. But women get given a harder time for ~not being nice~ and the level of assholehood required to be a ~great~ artist, so I try to cut female rock stars some slack on that count, i.e. The Courtney Love Clause.

The problem is, I've never heard any work of Amanda Palmer's that actually inspired me or blew me away in the way that I require ~great art~ to do. Which may well be my failure to appreciate it. So it's complicated.

Atomow dhe Kres? MY A VYNN, mar pleg! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:43 (nine years ago) link

Oy oy oy, that Evelyn Evelyn thing. I would have no problem if it was a Victoriana/Steampunk concept album about conjoined twins, really, but... positioning them in the contemporary world? Pretending that you rescued them? Giving *quite* such a distressing backstory to the record? DRESSING as them?

emil.y, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:44 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, that thing Nicole posted, that was the thing that really just crystalised a lot of the floating discomfort I'd been experiencing about her and her schtick. But, like I said, it's complicated.

Atomow dhe Kres? MY A VYNN, mar pleg! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:50 (nine years ago) link

but faking suicide is horribly abusive behavior, and using the recording on an album implies she has no remorse about it.

I've not knowingly heard an amanda palmer record but she reminds me so so so strongly of girls i used to know -- there can be this sense that making art around something shitty that you did is a way of working through it, the experience and your own behaviour? I mean, to me it is a terrible thing to have used that recording on an album that you release and get money for, but I can sense the edges of the logic that leads to it. Also i do not think her behaviour can be held responsible for his later suicide.

Like WCC says, it's complicated - because there've been these girls I knew who would have been so happy to grow up into Amanda Palmer, the very phenomenon of her existence is dear to me -- even when she does stuff like the Evelyn Evelyn project, which was frankly repulsive.

v for viennetta (c sharp major), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:55 (nine years ago) link

I think I'm probably misreading you, WCC - your first paragraph seems to suggest that there's a minimum level of assholehood required to be a great artists? But your second suggests that if she was a great artist, she'd get a reduction in effective assholehood?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:59 (nine years ago) link

in short, Great artists tend to be assholes, but assholes do not tend to be great artists.

Mark G, Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:05 (nine years ago) link

(update: town of 15k now we've narrowed it down, too)

shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 22 January 2021 05:29 (one year ago) link

first the Hawke's Bay region had that earthquake in 1931 and now they have to deal with THIS

Pre-Raphaelite Brah (King Boy Pato), Friday, 22 January 2021 11:36 (one year ago) link

brilliant

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 22 January 2021 12:53 (one year ago) link

I'm imagining a version of No Exit with Donald Trump and Amanda Palmer stuck in a room forever ... hopefully I wouldn't be the third person.

sarahell, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:18 (one year ago) link

sarahell is other peo- ah, forget it

imago, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:24 (one year ago) link

just c&p to "username/post" lj

sarahell, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:49 (one year ago) link

lol @ kiwis getting riled up over ppl believing or doubting this story

Left, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:12 (one year ago) link

fwiw, i'd be pretty riled up if i were falsely accused of participating in a standing ovation for this clown too!

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 January 2021 19:15 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

dear god

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:51 (ten months ago) link

don't make the mistake I did and start reading the comments

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:53 (ten months ago) link

don't make the mistake I did and let jon's advice to not start reading the comments induce you to stubbornly start reading the comments

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:57 (ten months ago) link

i'm gonna guess they're pro-rape

St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Thursday, 7 October 2021 21:00 (ten months ago) link

i mean, that's probably in there too, had i scrolled farther, but no. it's no surprise that YouTube comments are a cesspool, but it's not like these are offensive in the traditional sense, rather offensive and terrifying in that there is apparently some alternate layer of reality superimposed on ours in which Amanda Palmer is the epitome of creative genius and this song is the most powerful artistic creation ever uploaded to the internet.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 October 2021 21:01 (ten months ago) link

Ok, that is obviously extremely "on the nose," but I think that may be the best thing that Amanda Palmer has ever done. I don't think it's "creative genius", but it's not the worst idea in the world and they executed it pretty well. Additionally, I really like the natural eyebrow look as opposed to her trademark artsy doodle thing.

peace, man, Thursday, 7 October 2021 21:11 (ten months ago) link

that's it, folks. im never listening to music ever again.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 7 October 2021 21:48 (ten months ago) link

jeezo beezo that's bad

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 October 2021 22:50 (ten months ago) link

Comments are amazing

juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 8 October 2021 03:23 (ten months ago) link

I wonder what it would do to my personality if everything I did were greeted with hundreds of comments like that. Seriously, I think it would change me.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 8 October 2021 03:34 (ten months ago) link

insofar as the computer geeks have taken over the world, perhaps it's just as well that the theatre nerds have yet to

mookieproof, Friday, 8 October 2021 04:08 (ten months ago) link

Literally beyond parody, the singularity of narcissism

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 8 October 2021 06:49 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

Amanda Palmer is many things: musician and Dresden Dolls lead singer, writer, performer, activist, mom, and self-described “happy and hyper-social weirdo who likes making feelings into art.” Starting in February, she’ll be adding Substack Writer in Residence to her long list of creative pursuits with the debut of her new publication, Ask Amanda.



Amanda’s new publication will explore the possibilities of the direct relationship between a writer and reader community with a fresh spin on the advice column format that she calls “a crowd-sourced, everybody talk, conversation salon, kicked off by questions from you” and accompanied by original artwork from longtime collaborator Sarah Beetson.

maura, Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:09 (six months ago) link

noooooooooooooooooooooo
she has soiled the good name of amandas everywhere enough!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:12 (six months ago) link

Amanda Palmer and Substack: water finding its level

Murgatroid, Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:13 (six months ago) link

a crowd-sourced, everybody talk, conversation salon

lol she will not be doing any writing there

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:30 (six months ago) link

long walk to say a chatroom

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:33 (six months ago) link

coming soon
Clusterfuck: The Newsletter

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:37 (six months ago) link

ohhhh its a “salon”? (rmde)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:38 (six months ago) link

conversation salon

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:38 (six months ago) link

any time someone says there's a q&a at an event i will be like "oh you mean a conversation salon"

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:39 (six months ago) link

web 2.0, crowdsource the content, privatise the profits yes baybeeee

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:22 (six months ago) link

lol brad

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:22 (six months ago) link

I've learned to brace myself for the worst when this thread gets bumped, but this was disappointingly low on the APCES (Amanda Palmer Cringe Event Scale). I give it a 3 out of 10.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:27 (six months ago) link

maybe it’s hosted on Jeremy Renner’s social media app?

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:29 (six months ago) link

that would bump it up to an easy 4/10

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:31 (six months ago) link

i think my most cherished amanda palmer byproduct is the consternation that arises whenever she pulls another innocuous stunt. omg she’s writing a column o no!!!

effortless trolling, it is like an art, she should sell a series of seminars (because peeps wld get mad and it wld be funny)

cowboy bopeep (cat), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:43 (six months ago) link

I’m still back on the time she chewed on things and auctioned them off to her fans

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:57 (six months ago) link

just a rehash of one of her original controversies (crowdsourcing her string sections and not paying them for their labor). i give it a C-

intheblanks, Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:08 (six months ago) link

Is it a coincidence she and Chait announced Substacks on the same day or do the Substack masters read ILX?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:27 (six months ago) link

I don't dare look back through the thread to find out, but has she done NFTs yet?

the great replacement bus service (Matt #2), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:39 (six months ago) link

shhh, dammit

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:41 (six months ago) link

I would buy an NFT of her eyebrows

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:47 (six months ago) link

she called a fucking advice column a “conversation salon” come on

maura, Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:56 (six months ago) link

-welcome to The Advice Bureau
-uh its just a roomful of ppl talking over each other
-yes. great, isnt it?
- how do i get advice
- lets table that for now, hmm?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:52 (six months ago) link

is 77 a salon?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:54 (six months ago) link

Thinktank

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:56 (six months ago) link

a toilet that you shout into

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:15 (six months ago) link

In hearings that to a song but I can’t think of what song it is

castanuts (DJP), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:41 (six months ago) link

a toilet that you shout into

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:15 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it is with great pride that i present to you... The Internet

cowboy bopeep (cat), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:42 (six months ago) link

i went to two conversation salons earlier today, except they were called meetings. she should like set up a zoom room or google hangout and charge people to enter and watch her check her email.

sarahell, Friday, 21 January 2022 07:05 (six months ago) link


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