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Just email the good people at rockcritics.com with your questions for the Dean.

(My question: Why the hell does everyone call him the Dean?)

Justyn Dillingham, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I suppose the question about Cher's ribs would be really inappropriate, right?

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

On a more serious note...I remember about ten years ago raving about a Thai restaurant, saying "World music is great, but world cuisine is better." Was he serious? And if so, why does he write more often about world music than world cuisine? (I can think of a lot of rock- critics who migrate to film criticism, but not restaurant criticism. Why?)

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

that pompous idiot ! calls himself the Dean. He is so out of touch with what is really happening in music it is laughable !

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

martian he listens to exactly the same nmumber of records as you: viz all of them

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

mark I have seen his best of lists, they don't cover the music on my tracking lists ! He portrays himself as an uber critic ! when simply is not - he is out of touch and needs to be pensioned off.

He may have been in the past a reliable/informed critic e.g 70s, but today no way !

question are there any anti Christgau critics on the web?

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

martian he has heard many thousands of records you have never heard = YOU ought to be pensioned off as he is way ahead

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No mark regarding contemporary music Christagau ! is not with it.

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

how do you know? you are so behind with yr listening!! you only think it is contemporary but once you listen to every record ever made in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s you may think differently

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

haha has anyone on ilm ever seen xgau and martian in the same room? i think not!! they are the SAME PERSON!! this mutual hatage is a publicity same, like wrestlers etc or that father brown story

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

mark i am just referring to 2000/ 2001 and his lists/ analysis on that poll thing he organises. I am not talking about the past, I am taking about this decade.

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

you cannot understand this decade until you understand all the other ones that made this decade what it is

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

actually there must be a third figure in this triple-form avatar which is the person who has listened to all the records that will be made in the future

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i think the third figure is anna rose

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

but she is keeping it secret

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Martian and mark FITE!

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i know from looking at his 2001 and 2000 lists Christgau - simply is not with it ! that was the point and I am correct !

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

''you only think it is contemporary but once you listen to every record ever made in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s you may think differently''

no one can listen to that many recs surely! Even if they could that person would surely find it difficult to extract everything from those recs.

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

well to YOU he is not with it. but he's prob heard much more types of music. talking RANGE not QUANTITY martian. and because of that he has a diff perspective then again i haf not looked at his 2000/01 list.

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

again your trading on past performance/ reputation: look at

Christgau 2001

Christgau 2000

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

(My question: Why the hell does everyone call him the Dean?)
No, the real question is whose the Martin...or the Jan.

Lord Custos III, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i think dean martian does not really understand the point of my joke

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Lord Custos you will find me here: DJ Martian

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

or even lord custos's joke!!

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

what you drinking tonight mark?

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

haha which proves my point!!

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

you been on the Skol 3.2 per cent, again?

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

dean martin made music back in the mesozoic age martian: it is true of course that we should only ever listen to music of the past after we have entirely and perfectly understood all the music of the present and future, because that is the only direction in which influence flows

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

not the word influence again. Christgau should read my weblog each day ! then he would be able to keep in touch with the present and future.

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

''understood all the music of the present and future, because that is the only direction in which influence flows''

Mark will teach us some physics now.

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Christgau could also learn from a critic such as Philip Sherburne regarding contemporary electronic music.

DJ Martian, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck that old shit mark, those cats don't got nothing on us newbies. Ctrl+N mark, Momus taught me that. Ezra Pound likes new paper. It smells clean and new. New ideas - because the thing the ideas are presented on are new, don't you know that mark. Fuck me, mark. Time don't flow from the right to the left; it's the opposite. See. Left - > right. Not right -> left. Man! Only thing worth listening to, s'out tomorrow.

sorry, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Boy, this thread filled up REAL fast!

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i want to fuck you but i don't know who you are

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DJ Martian makes Michael Jackson look in touch with the present.

J Blount, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

xgau seems to listen much more widely than all of us. look at the 2000 list:

17. Blink-182 Take Off Your Pants and Jacket MCA and then

68. James Blood Ulmer Memphis Blood: The Sun Sessions label m

There' also country, salsa, etc etc. He seems to indeed listen to everything (though not much improv)

He's not that bad: i can respect anyone who has that range (he must gets lots of free recs though).

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ezra Pound prescribed 'make it new' to artists not critics: his own favorite writers had been dead for a thousand years by the time Christ was born. Xgau has a mind like a whip & an enviably broad critical reach. That he doesn't think electronic music is the reinvention of the wheel sez nothing against him

John Darnielle, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ha but pound-as-critic was a pretty thorough proponent of 'the new', wasn't he? (incl. pound-as-editor, etc.)

Josh, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

point taken

John Darnielle, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

my theorem: understanding all records you have listened to > number of records you have listened to, but < misunderstanding all records you have listened to then coming to your own conclusion, thereby creating new visions (ornette = living exemplar).

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

rock the casbah = greatest single of 2001?

and alicia keys there but not gillian welch => completely invalideanery.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

he actually Honorable Mentioned some of my fave records last year: DJ /rupture, Avalanches, Clinic. he keeps up, he just doesn't think as much of a lot of "newer" (in style/form) stuff as I do. he's still as good as anyone else out there right now, and he still writes better than nearly anybody I can think of who does this for a living (or doesn't).

M Matos, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The fact that he's 60 and still the best at what he does, despite many imitators, should not be held against him.

J Blount, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I enjoy him most when I don't understand him.

Andy K, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Christgau only lists 79 albums for 2001, while Martian's list for the FIRST HALF of 2002 has a staggering 333 records--the evidence is pretty clear on who is really keeping up.

dan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

how the fuck does listing more records equal keeping up more? Christgau's list is of the records he likes most--it's hardly everything he likes from a given year

M Matos, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Any hack can be non-discriminatory. Writing well is something else altogether. Martian couldn't hold Toure's jock.

J Blount, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I was kidding. I enjoy Martian's posts and find his site useful but I can't understand how he listens to everything that comes out and still finds time for old Killing Joke records.

dan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

haha dan HE DOESN'T

Josh, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never managed to get past those bloody gradings to actually read any Christgau, aside from his semi-penetrable Village Voice Pazz and Jopp round-ups. Where to start?

Tom, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Consumer Guide was made for the web. Just type in a name...

http://www.robertchristgau.com/

Ben Williams, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

also, Any Old Way You Choose It--which I believe is entirely up on the site--is probably my single favorite rockcrit book evah. (cough, cough)

M Matos, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone over 12 that likes The Moldy Peaches Loses all my respect.

brg30, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

brg30 has no respect for 80% of college djs.

J Blount, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

that pompous idiot ! calls himself the Dean. He is so out of touch with what is really happening in music it is laughable !
-- DJ Martian, Saturday, July 6, 2002 5:00 PM (5 years ago)

gershy, Sunday, 8 July 2007 06:33 (thirteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Wolcott was fortunate to be at The Voice when Robert Christgau was busy creating the best pop music section in the country. We hear about Christgau’s sonic-boom breakup with Ellen Willis and his penchant for conducting some editing sessions at home, in his underwear.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/books/review/lucking-out-my-life-getting-down-and-semi-dirty-in-seventies-new-york-by-james-wolcott-book-review.html

So, is Wolcott telling the truth?

curmudgeon, Saturday, 5 November 2011 03:44 (eight years ago) link

definitely

chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Saturday, 5 November 2011 11:31 (eight years ago) link

Lester Bangs complained Christgau would run to put on clothes when his gay neighbor came by, while Lester still had to look at his "saggy ass" (or something like that) when he came over.

da croupier, Saturday, 5 November 2011 12:50 (eight years ago) link

Doublechecked, it was Vince Aletti who was denied naked-xgau privileges.

da croupier, Saturday, 5 November 2011 12:52 (eight years ago) link

Ha

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 November 2011 02:43 (eight years ago) link

http://www.robertchristgau.com/icon/wfp-avoid.gif

buzza, Monday, 7 November 2011 02:50 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

So Christgau Consumer Guides are now just viewable only through the $5 a month, 12 months a year paid version of his substack?

curmudgeon, Sunday, 13 September 2020 14:56 (one week ago) link

That is what it appears to me

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 02:39 (six days ago) link


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