What's up with hating on the Doors?

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I got into classic rock in late high-school. A friend saw that my tastes mostly revolved around whatever alternaband MTV was pushing at the time, so I guess he thought I needed to expand my horizons a bit. That's about as close as I can get to saying 'I come from a classic rock background.'

Of course, such circles exist practically to maintain the canon. I remember being slightly shocked when I first came here and saw so many disparaging comments about the Doors. As I got to know ILM a bit better I wasn't so surprised, but I'm still not sure why people here seem to despise the band so vehemently. The musicianship itself is passable, fairly competent if not quite as deep as it seems to think itself. Is it the myth-cult that rose up around Morrison as Dark-God Rocker? I'd always thought that his singing somewhat made up for that, his croon had an enjoyably sultry sexuality (at least, of the type conventionally acceptable for men).

Dare, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

So what's up?

Dare, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I hate them because in my head I forever will associate them with dickheads who smoked too much hash and listened to the same 15 albums forever and ever and talked about these same albums constantly and then smoked some more hash. Or the other group of doors fans I knew were these weirdos who used to watch the film at every party they had!

I mean what? Why? I'm sure this is not the Door's fault but for some reason they, more than the Beatles or even Pink Floyd stick out as the band that "that kind of moron" liked.

(I don't think you're a moron Dare!) I think instead of listening to the classic rock fans I used to read the NME and buy things they gave good reviews to when I was 15 or 16. I think this is better because there was a stronger chance of me not deciding I liked the band when the pressure to conform was because of the NME's recommendation and not years of acclaim and millions of fans and some fantastic heritage.

Ronan, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I grew up completely entrenched in classic rock, and I had an extended Doors phase, where I read No One Here Gets Out Alive, etc. I actually bought and sold their entire catalog -- at one point in the late 80s I had 7 Doors CDs, now I have none. My dislike of them now probably has to do w/ some embarassment I feel about that time (only 11 or 12 years ago, which isn't that long when you're in your 30s) when I thought someone like Jim Morrison was "cool". Now I can't stand the idea of somebody treating people like shit and abusing themselves because they're "feeding the muse", that stereotypically selfish "artist's life." That notion, which surrounds the Doors more than almost any band you can name, is such a turnoff that I have a hard time listening to the music. But the other day I was eyeing a cheap used copy of Weird Scenes Inside the Goldmine so I can't hate the actual music that much.

Mark, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I hate them because in my head I forever will associate them with dickheads who smoked too much hash and listened to the same 15 albums forever and ever and talked about these same albums constantly and then smoked some more hash.
I have the same problem with pill heads and their Techno fixation. har har Actually the only Doors fans I have come across are/were 15 year old girls who substituted their love for Backstreet Boys with something more mature (or less if you see it as a Freudian regression - hahah). Discounting Meltzer of course, because I haven't LITERALLY/figuratively come across him.

nath @ work, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

''I hate them because in my head I forever will associate them with dickheads who smoked too much hash and listened to the same 15 albums forever and ever and talked about these same albums constantly and then smoked some more hash. Or the other group of doors fans I knew were these weirdos who used to watch the film at every party they had!''

When me and Sean met up briefly yesterday this is just the thing he was talking abt. the fans (though Jim's vocals and his 'muse' came into it too).

I liked the first alb. just fine and, thinking abt the fans, i suppose it's kinds the same in britain with the stone roses and to a certain extent the smiths, too. And i suppose the music isn't strong enough to get over all of that extra non-musical baggage that you get here (apart fromt he smiths).

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think a lot of people here don't loathe the Doors, they just can't take the band seriously. What Mark says about Morrisson becoming a useful whipping-boy for all romantic-artist stereotypes in 60s rock is OTM, too (and he does deserve it a bit). I listened to the Doors a bit when I was 14 and never really liked them - his voice and lyrics and presence didn't do much for me.

Now I think that's because they feel a bit out of date, but I wonder if at the time it was more a sense of frustration that I was a geeky virgin and Jim was a sexually magnetic rock god and what's more sang as if everyone listening knew it (which they did).

Tom, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

''I listened to the Doors a bit when I was 14 and never really liked them - his voice and lyrics and presence didn't do much for me.''

This is just the thing Sean was talking abt too yesterday (don't if he listened when he was 14).

OK, so I don't retain lyrics in my memory. But i wanted to ask is why ppl keep going on abt vocals, especially if you like punk rock (I don't know if you do Tom). Some punk bands sung their stuff badly (or they didn't pay especial attention to it) and yet a lot of ppl will like it. Surely it can't be that big an issue nowdays?

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

for me jim morrison handily embodies everything i dislike about "rock" music. for me he stands for the overblown, style before content, portentousness etc etc - i find it very telling coppola uses the doors to start "apocalypse now", a film which is also overblown, style before content, portentous etc etc. i realised when i saw herzog's "aguirre: wrath of god" that the sparseness of the direction and popul vuh's music made a handy contrast for me concerning my morrison hatred. musically, the doors are fine, but once morrison starts singing my shackles are up. when getting into modern music almost immediately i identified morrison and led zep and queen and all music for whom the image is as important as the music as the stuff i just didn't buy into. of course the studied anti-image of bands like talking heads and xtc i did buy into is as much of an image as these bands in a way, something that took me a long time to come to terms with, but give me that any day rather than the overblown posturing of arch-wanker morrison...

or something

commonswings, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

My biggest problem with the Doors in the departments raised so far is that they always seemed to be trying to aim at something grandiose and profound and ended up laughable. Plus, people keep trying to hold up Morrison as some sort of sex icon, but I have to admit that I've never found greasy drunk guys particularly sexy, so that whole aura was really lost on me.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Julio - cos not liking the tone of the voice is a different thing from not liking the technical capabilities (or lack of them) of a voice. Morrison I'm sure was technically hardly better or worse than most rock vocalists but he had it seems to me quite a limited range of things he did with his voice.

Tom, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I can see people being turned off by Morrison's occasionally pompous twaddle (although I think that he does fairly often, perhaps inadvertently, hit on an interesting lyrical image). I can even imagine people disliking his trademark bellow (although personally I find it enjoyable). But I can't imagine people not recognizing the greatness of the sound that Krieger, Densmore, and Manzarek produced. Listen to a song like "Love Me Two Times" and then come back and tell me the Doors suck.

o. nate, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

''Morrison I'm sure was technically hardly better or worse than most rock vocalists but he had it seems to me quite a limited range of things he did with his voice.''

But can you do anyhting with the voice if you haven't got the technical capailities? You can't, all you can do is recognise taht there is a limitation and take it from there. Which is what morrison did.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Why does the '60's Scott Walker gets a free ride where Jimbo gets ragged on? In my book, they both achieve very similar low ranks when it comes to a) sexual charisma b) sing-like-a-horse vocal stylizing and c) quality of prentensions.

They both have their pleasures -- it's just that I like them both when they're at their most florid.

Michael Daddino, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I started a thread once about suddenly suspecting the 60s Scott Walker was rubbish and got torn to pieces by the wild jackals of ILM - you are quite right Mike!

Julio - I don't agree. Some areas of vocalising don't need as much technical singing ability - especially those areas which approach speech.

Tom, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

that's because you're NOT IN THE CLIQUE tom

mark s, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I largely dislike The Doors for the same reason as Ronan -- ie the people at school who liked them were w&nkers.

Incidentally, I was trying in my head to remember what the Doors sound like, and all I can come up with is Will Young singing 'Light My Fire'!! Signs of the Times...

alext, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

''Some areas of vocalising don't need as much technical singing ability - especially those areas which approach speech.''

well, I don't think you just talk through the lyrics of 'The end' can you? Those require that you sing them and he does a good job of it (and those lyrics are funny by the way though I don't register everything he says).

i have this problem with the fact that some of you think they were serious and pretentious: if you look at that first alb. there's quite a lot of humour injected in some of the tunes I think. Morrison was 'ambitious' I suppose but what's wrong with that?

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I have decided it might be time to like the Doors ironically, thus confirming every single prejudice held about the inhabitants of these boards!!

alext, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

''I have decided it might be time to like the Doors ironically''

if you do that then you are just as bad as those wankers you talked abt.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

It is the only music I actively dislike. I don't know why. It's Morrison, I think (or scapegoating..i probably secretly love them damnit). What a terrible persona!! He is a disgrace to sexuality. The issues of his vocal range is more subjective than Julio is giving credit for. You like someone's singing or you don't - sometimes by design, sometimes you just think someone sounds like a giant singing cock (I think this is a great simile).

Keiko, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Bah! I'm off to lunch.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

"He is a disgrace to sexuality" = my new favourite insult

the doors = the stooges it is ok to like, julio

will young has 20 gazillion time the technique morrison had: so is that a good thing or a bad thing?

mark s, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think the doors rocked, especially their later records because at that point they were totally taking the piss out of themselves, they were so over the top. I heard "Waiting for the Sun" (the song) a few months ago and it was just so pompous, there was no way they were serious. I bought "Morrison Hotel", and it's so much fun, so enjoyable, totally not the image I had of them in my head of them after listening to the first record. Then I bought "Soft Parade" and that was also a total classic, I mean, listen to "Touch Me", it's an over-blown classic, and there's no way you can listen to it without a smile (especially after listening to John Oswald's plunderphonics version of the doors back catalog). I'd say, if you were bothered by their first 2 records, and the "attitude" of that period, then you should still try and listen to their later records. OK, maybe it was self-parody, but "running blue" is an all time cheesy classic.

Anas FK, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

yes, I like saying "classic". I really should read before I press Submit

Anas FK, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

back from lunch and work that i couldn't sandwich ILM in between, but anyway:

''the doors = the stooges it is ok to like, julio''

Again, I never said i didn't like the stooges. THATS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MARK S. all i said is that as an experiment in combining the rock with the jazz it failed (and that's funhouse).

I don't go by things that are 'OK to like' (music journalists seem to think they dictate such things but they are very lucky since their readership is very young). The doors are quite a good rock band, just like the stooges. What i don't understand is the problem with Jim's vocals, and their 'pretentiousness', etc. The fact is their first alb gets the OK in the Desouza household.

''will young has 20 gazillion time the technique morrison had: so is that a good thing or a bad thing?''

Why do you ask a question when you already know the answer to?

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

My biggest problem with the Doors in the departments raised so far is that they always seemed to be trying to aim at something grandiose and profound and ended up laughable This is why L.A. Woman is such a great album - it's not trying nearly so hard and it winds up making totally classic gestures almost offhandedly - "Love Her Madly," "Texas Radio," even "Riders on the Storm" has a tossed-off feel to it. N.B. I used to loathe the Doors for all the reasons cited by others plus when I had long hair people told me I looked "like MORRISON" all the time (this was Southern California), plus in my dancing days some guy followed me home from a club who wound up sleeping on the floor and keeping me awake by opining that I was, in fact, Jim Morrison himself

John Darnielle, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

!! I'm sorry, John, I find that last story incredibly funny. But I suspect you wouldn't, given the circumstances. Why didn't you tell the guy to go home?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

for me at least, the doors are one of those paradoxes -- influential as far as some band and musicians I like, but something I really cannot listen to. Jim Morrison reminds me a pretencious lounge singer poured into leather pants with a cheesy band to back him to boot.

the stooges funhouse= success in terms of incorporating free jazz ideas into rock. a keystone.

jack cole, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

''the stooges funhouse= success in terms of incorporating free jazz ideas into rock. a keystone.''

this is just the sort of thing that makes me CRAZY!

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, the Doors influence on others is another thing altogether. I mean, they were apparently a huge influence on Echo and the Bunnymen, who I love, but I really have no use for the Doors themselves. How odd.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

a friend of mine used to share my disliking for the doors. one day he declared to me that he liked the doors. i asked him why and he told me that a friend of his had said "just look at it as lounge music with bad teenage poetry" and it all made sense. i still don't like the doors though.

fields of salmon, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Funny about the Echo thing -- yeah, there was the cover of "People Are Strange" and Manzarek on "Bedbugs and Ballyhoo," but I never heard the exact connection myself beyond that, certainly not in Ian M.'s voice. And even my DAD made that connection -- I was listening to "A Promise" at home and he mentioned that McCulloch sounded like Jim Morrison. But for the life of me I simply can't hear it! Very strange.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

And for what it's worth -- Mike Nelson, in his glorious Movie Megacheese book, mentioned how thoroughly he hated the Doors and Morrison, noting further than there's little difference between one's dad singing Doors songs in the shower while soaping up his beefy arms, and the real thing.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I agree that LA Woman is the only truly great Doors record. Morrison is not trying to be his old illuminated (and boring if you ask me) self, he realizes he's just a fat bearded drunkard who wants to sing fat greasy blues. His voice is at its best at the very moment when his body - and mind, I guess - are falling apart.

Simon, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I bought 3 doorz albums from HMV sale earlier this year for 3 quid each (I think they had made a mistake, cuz when I went back for some more, they were all much more x-pensive, so I didn't both0r) They were in k-k3wl mini rekkid sleeves, w/inner bags even! Anyway, I liked them fine, I suppose, though even the first (& best) one has a lot of rubbish on it. I don't know why the doorz are hated so much, really, I mean j34h, jim m0rrizon's trouser lizard schtick is pretty irritating I know, but I think no more so than eg Neil Young's downhome ordinary regular guy act, or bob dylan is his entirety. Actually there are surely 10s ov pop/roxk singers who's act is far far worse than Morrison's, trouser lizard at least had a nice deep voice that sounded good thru fog ov reverb. I really like the jerky no-groove mechanical way they played, and the k-cheesy vox(?) organ sounds super neat to me, much better than the steamy manly overdriven hammond favoured by their uh contemporaries, like. The guitarist is really very good indeed, and I wish I could play like him. IIRC the producer of their first rekkid made a point of forbidding the band from indulging in thee popular contemporary studio gimmickry, and lo even thee rubbish tracks on it at least *sound* lovely. I don't like them as much as Spirit, Love or the Byrds, but if you were to make a compilation ov their best numbers, it would possibly be better than damn near any other psych band's comp, I suspeckt so anyway. This is all damming them w/phaint praise a bit, isn't it?

Norman Phay, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, the Doors influence on others is another thing altogether. I mean, they were apparently a huge influence on Echo and the Bunnymen, who I love,
Come on, that's ridiculous. To compare those two bands. In the late sixties The Doors were unique. The only American band who didn't have to fear the Beatles. I never saw them live but their live concerts on disc and videos show that they were probably the most intense live act at that time. Why does almost everyone on this thread diss them? I guess the reason is that you never saw them live. You have to compare them to other bands who were around at that time. And if you look at those bands be it the Grafetful Dead, CCR, Jefferson Airplane or even Janis Joplin's Big Brother and the Holding Company, The Doors were the thing. Echo and the Bunnymen were ok, but there were so many other much better bands in the early eighties. Take The Cure for example. Echo & the Bunnymen were total crap in comparison. It's all a matter of the time.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

''Yeah, the Doors influence on others is another thing altogether. I mean, they were apparently a huge influence on Echo and the Bunnymen, who I love, but I really have no use for the Doors themselves. How odd.''

Echo and the bunnymen were influenced by the doors! How strange.

early Swans had a clear Stooges influence and i rilly prefer listening to swans rather than funhouse.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

''The only American band who didn't have to fear the Beatles. I never saw them live but their live concerts on disc and videos show that they were probably the most intense live act at that time. Why does almost everyone on this thread diss them? I guess the reason is that you never saw them live. You have to compare them to other bands who were around at that time.''

you can really see through the bullshit only when you see a band live that is true (well, most of the time). Suggest a live comp please?

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Not ridiculous at all...I mean, even Ned's dad agrees! I can certainly hear the influence, though I admit they're different beasts. Bringing the Cure into it is probably irrelevant...though maybe not, as they covered Ze Doors too. VIVE LE INFLUENCE

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

suggest a live comp please
Velvet Underground.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Alex, can you ever actually chill? I happen to love both Echo and the Cure and I really don't care WHAT you think. Jeez Louise.

More to the point, the comparison twixt Doors and Echo has been made, and while I don't see it either, I'm not justifying it with all this rigamorale about who was more influential or the like. All I need to know is what I hear.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

alex can you ever chill
i'd like to but these one-sided threads make my blood boil. and i sill have got a problem with ian mcculloch's voice. a band i like which sounds similar to the doors in places are the stranglers btw.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

probably i got you wrong julio. if you meant live compilation (instead of comparison as i thought first) take alive, she cried

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Nothing wrong with having problems with Ian's voice, m'friend -- just keep in mind plenty of us don't. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

This thread hasn't been that one-sided though - lots of Doors defenders here!

I almost bought a Doors album tonight cos I wonder if I would like them now - it's been so long. I really really love a lot of 60s American music, though not so much the West Coast psych stuff...but you never know.

Tom, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Great keyboard player. Awful singer.

U2 suffer from the same problem. Except they don't have a keyboard player.

Jerry, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

tom it's nice rock and roll. You don't like grateful dead (is it west or east, (was never good at geog). have some nice canadian acid. I'll slip some through the phone line. you will like them afetrwards, no prob.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Why didn't you tell the guy to go home? Wish I knew, Ned. When I lived in Portland I was constitutionally incapable of telling anyone to leave my house. If I knew someone I didn't like was planning to stop by I'd just avoid coming home. For days on end, if necessary. This was some years back so I now find it rather amusing myself. Ah, youth!

John Darnielle, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Amazing! You have the patience of Job. :-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

i like "Waiting For The Sun" and "People Are Strange". Their songs aren't that bad FFs.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Some of their songs are reasonable. It's Jim bloody Morrison who's the main problem.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, they'd be a good band if not for Jim Morrison's awful lyrics and those organ solos that go on for half a day.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Exactly. They'd be almost as good as the Seeds!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I've had "C'mon c'mon c'mon now TOUCH me babe" in my head for what must be two weeks now. It's insidious!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:37 (sixteen years ago) link

"Touch Me" is a good song too. They're always remembered fro really annoying dirges like "Light My Fire" and "This Is The End".

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/michael-caine/michael-caine01.jpg

I thought I told you to turn the bloody Doors off.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link

the production is really key for me. those records sound so amazing.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:43 (sixteen years ago) link

why am i even defending the Doors? The only thing I own is a taped copy of LA Woman which I have listened to once and made me fall asleep.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link

i think i did all my doors defending on another thread. some vu-vs-doors thread or something.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:50 (sixteen years ago) link

lounge crooner schtick

yes, i think i neither like nor dislike the doors, but i kind of like this element

john harris' pieces are all kind of the same. "that zappa eh, he was a bit rubbish", um, you're going to make a whole article out of that? ok, if you like

as said above, the doors are an odd target in their stock isnt exactly high these days

Exactly. They'd be almost as good as the Seeds!

weirdly, the seeds stock isnt that high either, and they're like the best band in the world!

-- (688), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link

its just kind of weird and pointless. much like harris' other articles about how someone at school he didnt like was an eagles fan or something

-- (688), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe he ought to start writing about gardening or something instead; he's clearly fed up writing about music.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i always think the dumbest slam is when people say the dude wasn't a great poet. who is? auden has been dead a long time. and in that article the dude says, never mind the music look at this terrible pome!!! i don't read lizardhead's pomes. i just like the music. and i love lounge singers.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

What are "pomes"?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

a pennyeach

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

groups as bad as Depeche Mode
groups as bad as Depeche Mode
groups as bad as Depeche Mode
groups as bad as Depeche Mode
groups as bad as Depeche Mode

Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Monday, 20 November 2006 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link

did jim morrison even inflict any of his (non-musical) poetry on the public before he died?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Worth repeating:

the true geniuses - Lennon, Dylan, Tom from Kasabian

ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

PS For a long time, the extent of my knowledge of the Doors was:

- they didn't have a bass player
- they did that song "The End"
- a lot of people worship Jim Morrison as some kind of "totally deep poet, maaaaaaaan"

You can see how, based on this knowledge, I would think they were the worst group in the history of music. But then one day, I accidentally stumbled into a free show by a Doors cover band, and -- wonder of wonders -- it was actually pretty fun, rockin' music! Still haven't bought any albums, but it made me realize that maybe this was just another case of douchebag fans making good music look bad (cf. Pitchfork Kid A review that made me want to never listen to music again)

Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Monday, 20 November 2006 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I read No One Here Gets Out Alive when I was a kid before I had encountered much of their music, and my imagination conjured up something that sounded like Hawkwind crossed with The Stooges. Then I heard some actual Doors records and was like wtf.

did jim morrison even inflict any of his (non-musical) poetry on the public before he died?

Wasn't he focusing primarily on poetry when he was in Paris?

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Prayer

Wiki says An American Prayer was recorded during a 1970 "poetry session".

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

but it didn't come out till after he died, right? i dunno. how much of the crap that has come out would he have put out himself. we all do cringeworthy things in our 20's.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link

the kasabian line is a joek right?

benrique (Enrique), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

More from Wiki:
Even though Morrison was a well-known singer and lyricist, he encountered difficulty when searching for a publisher for his poetry. He self-published two slim volumes in 1969, The Lords / Notes on Vision and The New Creatures. Both works were dedicated to "Pamela Susan" (Courson). These were the only writings to be published during Morrison's lifetime.

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link

okay, so he did TRY to inflict it on people.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Jim Morrison, inflictor of pomes.

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Wikip also offers this nugget of info:

After Morrison's death, Iggy was considered as a replacement for Morrison; the surviving Doors gave Iggy some of Morrison's belongings, and hired him as a vocalist for a series of shows.

News to me!

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

That was actually my Random Wikipedia Fact I Found One Boring Sunday Afternoon And Then Told Everyone At Work About On Monday a few weeks ago! (this week's was the Sun Ra thing that I just posted in the control freaks thread)

Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Monday, 20 November 2006 17:36 (sixteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

Sorry but Roadhouse is so good

calstars, Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:25 (five years ago) link

let it roll baby

brimstead, Saturday, 23 September 2017 03:09 (five years ago) link

This band won me over in the end - sure, not everything they did was great, but their best stuff was truly wonderful.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 08:39 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

. Fine. I won't hate the Doors.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 03:13 (three years ago) link

I only lke listening to three Doors songs: peace frog, riders on the storm and crystal ship, mainly because I love the basslines in them. None of those are in that list :(

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:16 (three years ago) link

I know “light my fire” and “the end” are two of their most emblematic songs but they bore me so much, I can’t even think about them without feeling slightly bored. They’re boring in a dreadful kind of way.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:22 (three years ago) link

Nile Rodgers picked "The End" as his #1 Desert Island Disc for the BBC, which genuinely surprised me. He was having some kind of formative LSD experience the first time he heard it.

Josefa, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:34 (three years ago) link

Even snoring has the potential to sound interesting on LSD though.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:40 (three years ago) link

And there is another point. No matter how spoiled, vengeful or self-indulgent any supposedly titanic talent may be, the true geniuses - Lennon, Dylan, Tom from Kasabian - always exhibit some thread of empathetic humanity

i couldn't remember who kasabian were so i googled them and discovered that they are, in fact, the band that has been "described as a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis."

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 05:45 (three years ago) link

the Doors are so great

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:48 (three years ago) link

ventured into barnes and noble yesterday. they had this in the racks. pricetag? $21.99.

fucking lol

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:31 (three years ago) link

Even in my most enthusiastic Doors phase Light My Fire has always bored me. Strange Days is a good album and I still smile whenever LA Woman comes on.

o. nate, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:15 (three years ago) link

they were so audacious in every sense of the word, so incredibly ridiculous and sometimes beautiful and terrible and amazing and lame, the whole idea of the Doors seems like it never should have existed, psychedelic questers and low barroom drunks, proggy organ jackoffs and frustrated jazz welded to hard L.A. sleaze, bad poetry and funky drums and how many bands even risked half as much?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:28 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Doing a Doors deep dive at the moment and can I just say how much I absolutely HATE how nowadays they’ve shoehorned in the “missing” vocals in “Break On Through”? “Everybody loves my baby, she get HIGH… she get HIGH… she get HIGH yeaaaahhh”. There is no way in hell those are from the same vocal take. Also fuck all these “anniversary remixes” and “Light My Fire” sped up to “correct speed” bullshit. Buy the original records or the 1988 CDs or gtfo.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 17 November 2022 08:49 (two weeks ago) link

Light My Fire is a terrible song

I once accepted a free ticket to see the Doors of the 21st Century with Ian Astbury on vocals, it was unbearable and I had to leave before the encore which was clearly gonna be Riders on the Storm into Light My Fire and I would have died

The best thing about that show was that Asbury gave an interview in local street press (maybe same interview everywhere, I dunno) where he said Jim Morrison came to him in a dream and said it was cool to do the schtick but he wasn’t allowed to sing The End

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Thursday, 17 November 2022 09:39 (two weeks ago) link

listening to LA woman recently and having fun imaging Ian Curtis singing it … “city at night - city at night!”

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 17 November 2022 12:02 (two weeks ago) link

Yes

Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 November 2022 12:53 (two weeks ago) link

I like the sound of the DCC Compact Classics reissues for the self-titled and L.A. Woman. Tube mastering, and yes, just as they were originally released (no remixes or flying in those additional bits).

But reservations still remain. I can't listen to "The End" all the way through with a straight face. Best cover ever comes at the end of this sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPB1NlM4ew

birdistheword, Thursday, 17 November 2022 14:54 (two weeks ago) link

love it

calstars, Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:03 (two weeks ago) link

looool I had never seen that sketch.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:09 (two weeks ago) link

I have the vinyl box that came out 15 years ago or whatever, sounds fine to me. It has both stereo and mono versions of the s/t

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:53 (two weeks ago) link


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