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(i haven't heard anything past yield though. i think i bought binaural but honestly can't name a song from it.)
― ian, Friday, 25 September 2009 04:42 (fourteen years ago) link
No Code in 2009, Vs. back in the day.
― Euler, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link
No Code or Yield.
The only one I'm really rooting against here is Ten, though. Not because it's the big popular one, but because of Ament's extensive use of the fretless electric bass.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:58 (fourteen years ago) link
fretless electric 12 string bass at that... god, what a douche.
― Change Display Name: (Steve Shasta), Friday, 25 September 2009 06:00 (fourteen years ago) link
It's just the worst sounding amplified instrument in the world. A rock n' roll killer.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 September 2009 06:03 (fourteen years ago) link
haha ten is my favourite by some way actually. vitalogy has some great tracks, but also about six tracks of filth.
― Charlie Howard, Friday, 25 September 2009 07:30 (fourteen years ago) link
fuck, such a difficult one - each album is so different in vibe and texture to the last. mind you, i'm one of the many who gave up after yield (don't know what the reason for this exodus was, as it was a great album).
― dog latin, Friday, 25 September 2009 07:54 (fourteen years ago) link
NO CODE. but fuck it they're all good.
― jesus mighty lord chewy (stevie), Friday, 25 September 2009 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link
great to see all the support for the album i started my most bonkers ILM thread about: Pearl Jam - No Code
I think I'm gonna go with Vitalogy though
― some dude, Friday, 25 September 2009 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I've never noticed that triangle/eye pattern in No Code before!
― nate woolls, Friday, 25 September 2009 13:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I voted for Yield, but Backspacer is rapidly catching up.
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2009 13:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i voted for yield too. i could've voted for any of them, but i think yield is the one i'd probably wanna listen to right now. i'd be interested in hearin g backspacer.
― dog latin, Friday, 25 September 2009 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Vitalogy. Not as consistent as Yield, but its highlights are the best songs they ever did, like Corduroy.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 25 September 2009 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Vitalogy and Yield are both inconsistent albums with some of their best stuff ever imo, but the former has funny weird loud interesting filler where the latter has bland wishy washy filler
― some dude, Friday, 25 September 2009 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I relistened to "Faithful" a few days ago and remembered what a great sleeper it was.
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2009 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link
that's one of those songs that now and then sounds great but usually bores me. "MFC" and "In Hiding" are incredible, though.
― some dude, Friday, 25 September 2009 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
No love for Vs.? Was my favourite album back in 93/94. Mind you it hasn't aged that well.
― sofatruck, Friday, 25 September 2009 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Half of Vs. is great. Daughter, Elderly Woman, Dissident, etc. But the other half, not so much.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 25 September 2009 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I heard "Go" in my friend's car. Boy, talk about awful drum sound.
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Since the reissue, I have to vote for 'Ten'. Once they scraped off all those awful effects in the remix, it was a whole new album for me. I could actually picture them all standing in a room playing the music. There's so much energy in that first album...I love what they became with Yield and No Code, where they really honed their songcraft...but the sheer force of opening with 'Once' has to make Ten my pick. But DAMN Backspacers is great.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 25 September 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
It's fun hearing Ten without all that Parashar reverb, but it wasn't nearly as enjoyable or illuminating as I'd hoped.
― some dude, Friday, 25 September 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
'go' alone makes vs. my choice here.
― m the g, Friday, 25 September 2009 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Vs. has a lot of really great songs, but seems forgotten by time somehow. I'm glad "Rearview Mirror" is still something of a live staple, though.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 September 2009 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah RVM is like the sole reason I don't totally dismiss that album as totally just singles'n'fluff.
― herstory womayne (some dude), Friday, 25 September 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 30 September 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Going for Yield.
― Marty Innerlogic, Thursday, 1 October 2009 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link
to my ears yield is irredeemably bland and blithe, suffering from uninspiring songwriting, indifferent performances and lacklustre energy levels. i'll never knowingly listen to it again.
― Charlie Howard, Thursday, 1 October 2009 09:52 (fourteen years ago) link
After 15 years, I'm giving up trying to like Eddie Vedder's voice. its a shame bacause I think i'd like Pearl Jam otherwise.
― tomofthenest, Thursday, 1 October 2009 12:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Vitalogy is my personal fave even though No Code is probably the best but I think vitalogy needs a vote , but really the 1st 5 are unfuckwithable.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 1 October 2009 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link
When Yield came out, I knew it would be the last Pearl Jam record I would take any time over. It was a very AOR-styled album on the surface, and yet I voted for it in this poll because despite the superficial blandness it's still crammed with really good tracks, is concentrated as an album statement and yet still manages to get certain experimental bits like "I'm Open" and the bizarre Greek wedding secret track just right. Vitalogy, I've always had a lot of time for - particularly for things like "Pry, To", "Hey Foxymophandlemamatthat's me", ballads like "Better Man" (an amazing track). Still Vitalogy is inconsistent because it juxtaposes rock experimentalism (something they'd work on further with No Code) with hoary old rock tracks that take up 50% of the album and just do their job. The whole thing is uneasy and doesn't sit well. Something that does sit better is "Vs", but as mentioned upthread is the fact that the songs have aged badly. "Ten" is classic rock through'n'through, but I didn't even know there was a remaster, so I'm eager to hear it.
― dog latin, Thursday, 1 October 2009 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 1 October 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i thought no code or ten would win
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 1 October 2009 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone read this?
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9825387/pearl-jam-career-overrated-underrated-properly-rated
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 03:06 (ten years ago) link
hmmm
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
i think i really dislike steven hyden
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 03:13 (ten years ago) link
After 15 years, I'm giving up trying to like Eddie Vedder's voice. its a shame bacause I think i'd like Pearl Jam otherwise.― tomofthenest, Thursday, 1 October 2009 12:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
― tomofthenest, Thursday, 1 October 2009 12:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
After 15 years, I'm giving up trying to like Pearl Jam. its a shame bacause I think i'd like Eddie Vedder otherwise.
(The Eddie Vedder/Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan song "The Long Road" from the Dead Man Walking soundtrack is my favorite thing he's ever done. Melancholy perfection.)
― Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 03:40 (ten years ago) link
that article got really tiresome to read really quickly
grantland's simmonsian obsession with classifying everything is so zzzz to me
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link
That article spends a lot of words to say very little of actual value.
― Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 07:22 (ten years ago) link
I don't disagree with most of its assertions, except the Ten love.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 10:58 (ten years ago) link
He's right about Jack Irons, but relistening to Yield this morning, it's a lot patchier than I remember it, and 'flow' is most certainly not its thing.
― Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 11:40 (ten years ago) link
Also, poor old Jeff and all of his hats.
― Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 11:41 (ten years ago) link
I love Jeff's hats
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link
I mean if you're going to go 'poor Jeff and his hats' then you may as well go 'poor Stone and his wtf hair'
it's more that, for years, I used to read ppl joking abt how jeff has to always be wearing hats bcz lol male pattern baldness, and then he stopped wearing hats for a bit and it was like woah you have hair
― Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
the whole band is pretty follicly blessed for a bunch of guys hovering around 50
― deez so unusual (some dude), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 18:08 (ten years ago) link
jeff wore hats bcz lol seattle
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 19:52 (ten years ago) link
They were terrific last night!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 April 2016 13:57 (eight years ago) link
jealous! waiting for west coast tour dates to announce, dying to see them again
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 10 April 2016 15:11 (eight years ago) link
they're closer to my whereabouts tomorrow, and I'm very tempted. I'm just sad that the person I saw them with 15 years ago (when I wasn't even old enough to drink) is unavailable.
I registered to vote at that Pearl Jam show too.
I'm thinking of going, but being a weeknight and knowing they'll play 3 hours is almost making it a dealbreaker :/.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 10 April 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link
so the 1st london show only had a 9 song overlap with last night.... the first night also had
Of the GirlLow LightAnimalBrain of J.WishlistDeepSevered HandLove Boat CaptainDownParting WaysOff He GoesSleeping by MyselfFootstepsWhy GoBetter ManLast KissBlackRockin' in the Free World
THESE SETLISTS ARE HOT.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 09:53 (five years ago) link
argh I forgot they were playing and missed those shows so sick about it
― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 10:05 (five years ago) link
That's an insane London 2 setlist.
Had my second best Pearl Jam gig in Berlin the other week - Waldbühne is such a great venue, lovely sunny day, some fun people in the line waiting and an ace set:
WashSometimesCorduroyWhy GoSave YouGiven To FlyRed Mosquito (w/ Danny Clinch)In My TreeEven FlowWishlistHabitAngie (Rolling Stones cover)Daughter (with Dead Moon's "It's Okay" tag)DeepMind Your MannersUnthought KnownLukinPorch
Encore:
Thin AirThumbing My WayBreathDo The EvolutionBlack (with Todd Rundgren's "Time Heals" tag)Rearviewmirror
Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd cover)AliveRockin’ in the Free World (Neil Young Cover, w/ J. Mascis)
The crowd was absolutely wild too, found myself happily enough in a proper pit (Eddie gave us a 5 star review in that regard). Well worth the bruises for the next week. Berlin was p much my favourite city I've visited too.
― Minister of the Pillow (fionnland), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:26 (five years ago) link
Pretty much the only band that can pull off these classic rock warhorse covers.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:05 (five years ago) link
They're good people.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2018 02:26 (five years ago) link
What about Vs.?
― growing up in publix (morrisp), Monday, 24 September 2018 02:30 (five years ago) link
Oh I see, sorry — these are just your faves.
― growing up in publix (morrisp), Monday, 24 September 2018 02:31 (five years ago) link
on a whim, listened to Yield and Binaural today while grinding through some copy-editing, possibly the first time i've given either a front-to-back listen in twenty years. unfortunately i have nothing new to say: Yield has some great singles and an overall sense of punchy focus, but the back bench of songs isn't their best, while Binaural has some great moody jams but a little too much crunchy mid-tempo rock and even less inspiration in the songwriting. "Nothing As It Seems" still stands out but otherwise i can barely remember what i just listened to.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 December 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
wow agreed on both counts
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link
love "low light" and "in hiding" iirc though
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link
i may be alone in this but i saw riot act as a return to form at the time and looking at the tracklisting now: dang these songs are for the most part pretty good
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
don't really get how Vitalogy won this by so much. Definitely a 50/50 album for me. LOVE the ballads and the experimental jiggery-pokery. Happy to leave the clumpy, razor-throated rockers
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
you would ditch "corduroy"??????
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
lol Brad i legit thought of you when i was like "if i made a Yield poll, who on ILM in 2020 would definitely show up?"
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 December 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
plenty of songs i dig on that album tbh, even if some of them are just from excessive high-school listening that's burned them into my brain. it's just somehow less than the sum of its parts? or maybe just missing one more big centerpiece song that makes it all feel, idk, important or something. what "Corduroy" and "Better Man" do for Vitalogy in my ears.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 December 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
yield has always felt to me like a less successful version of no code, but even that is pretty badass
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
you would ditch "corduroy"??????― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, December 7, 2020 5:37 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, December 7, 2020 5:37 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I don't lump Corduroy in with things like 'Spin The Black Circle' or 'Satan's Bed'. That's a good melodic rocker
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
i love "satan's bed" and "whipping" and it was v surprising for me to learn that ppl do not like them
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
"spin" is a little too obviously great imo lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link
Yield is great! Feels slightly more mature and focused than No Code to me.
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link
I just don't love Vedder's hoarse shouty voice that much (I like Lukin and Brain of J though). Or maybe it's the stiff, ploddy straighahead drums on those Vitalogy rockers... I dunno
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
re: Yield: i hear the No Codeyness in the guitar tone and the maybe looser, less radio-focused production, but i feel like that's an overall journey they were on from at least Vitalogy to Binaural. Yield feels distinct to me as kinda brighter and cleaner than No Code, but i'm not sure how much of that is me initially hearing it through the "they're back! they're rocking again! please don't give up on alt-rock radio!" marketing at the time.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 December 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
off Riot Act I'd keep "Can't Keep", "Save You", "Ghost" and "Green Disease". "I Am Mine" is dopey but nice. That's about it.
Whereas the s/t is almost front to back winners
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
as is Backspacer tbh
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
ppl still underrating "cropduster" and "you are" i see
"green disease" is so totally amazing it may cause me to overrate the whole project lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
"bu$hleaguer" is pretty embarrassing though i'll cop to that. need to revisit the s/t and backspacer which i remember as very tight records
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link
i've always loved "The Fixer," i should probably dig into whichever album that's from.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 December 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link
backspacer! "the fixer" is like my favorite pj single ever lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link
my favorite pearl jam song is "sad," which, wow, i'm still extremely mad that it's a b-side
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:28 AM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol this thought just popped into my head, glad i searched the thread before repeating it. the insult of "sad" being a b-side is worse when i remember it was recorded during the binaural sessions (iirc?)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjXU8BmVVm0
fuck, this is still the best. those fucking drums!!!!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
I've become partial to the new "Comes Then Goes."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke3Vpv7fFKs
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 December 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
"Green Disease" is great, imo one of the highlights of their later work is that they seem to want to nab some of the sprightliness and economy of some of their opening acts (eg sleater-kinney, dismemberment plan, supergrass, idlewild)
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 7 December 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
Ha, the one time I saw Pearl Jam was because Idlewild was opening. Stadium show at U of MT, seats behind the stage... not ideal.
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
'Corduroy'is the only song I can think of that sounds like Miracle Legion AND the Foo Fighters. It's not at all a stretch to imagine Mark Mulcahy singing it/not at all a stretch to imagine Dave Grohl writing that riff.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Friday, 18 December 2020 22:47 (three years ago) link
Haha, when I caught Pearl Jam the first time they were my favourite band, Idlewild were supporting and they were my second favourite band. My Dad will forever be my hero for not only letting me skip two days of school but driving me 8 hours each way to see them as he realised how important it was for me.
And 'Cropduster' and 'You Are' get plenty of my love, Brad. Matt Cameron needs to write more damn songs.
― knowing for certain the first touch of the light will finish you (fionnland), Friday, 18 December 2020 22:58 (three years ago) link
Been making my way through the Pearl Jam discography recently. I haven't paid them much attention post-Vitalogy and for whatever reason have decided that now I'm going to explore the rest of it.
Anyway, I just remembered a joke that I made when Yield came out. Upon flipping the CD over and seeing Brain of J as the first track, I asked, What - like Primus Drummer of White Zombie Guitarist?
Thank you and sorry.
― peace, man, Friday, 16 December 2022 15:51 (one year ago) link
Side two of Vitalogy is so much fun. I forgot how great Aye Davanita is.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 25 November 2023 13:50 (five months ago) link
If a compilation existed of all their attempts to be an art rock band I would buy it.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 25 November 2023 13:51 (five months ago) link
Compile it here!
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 25 November 2023 13:54 (five months ago) link
I'll need someone else to as I'm only just reacquainting myself with this stuff. But I recently relistened to No Code after many years and it's got me in the mood. I recall Binaural and Riot Act exhibiting this side of the band now and then too.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 25 November 2023 13:59 (five months ago) link
You two have been busy this morning.
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 November 2023 14:04 (five months ago) link
FWIW, I kind of prefer the remixes and remakes of the Ten songs. The 'Redux' mixes are generally better, but the single version of "Even Flow" (a re-recording with Dave Abbruzzese on drums) is definitive IMHO and the single mix for "Jeremy" is the best one they did (even though they do censor out the word "fuck").
― birdistheword, Saturday, 25 November 2023 20:27 (five months ago) link
This was my favourite US rock band in the mid-late 90s. But until now I have listened to very little past Yield.
I've read Binaural being described as their "art-rock" album. Listening now and uh, am I missing something? This is their mist straight-shooting, least "arty" album since Ten, surely?
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Saturday, 11 May 2024 09:52 (one week ago) link
I love "art-rock" Pearl Jam. I'll put a playlist together
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Saturday, 11 May 2024 09:53 (one week ago) link
i'd been meaning to make an 'art rock' pearl jam playlist ever since i bumped this thread in november, now that i have actually heard all of their albums (no idea about non-album tracks tho). as i said, if a compilation existed of all their attempts to be an art rock band I would buy it - such stuff definitely interests me most with them.
i wouldn't just include full songs, i'd have things like 'pry, to' and 'red bar' (or red dot or whatever people call it), short interludes which i think rather get to the point rather easily.
as for binarual specifically.. well every album between vitalogy and riot act - except yield - i have seen described as 'art rock'. i think the main thing binaural has in that regard are the roomy lengthy psychedelic tracks that are peppered throughout like 'nothing as it seems' (the lead single no less), 'of the girl', 'sleight of hand' and 'parting ways'. maybe 'rival' as well.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 11 May 2024 10:04 (one week ago) link
https://www.stereogum.com/2259686/the-10-best-pearl-jam-songs-of-the-21st-century/lists/10-best-songs/
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 May 2024 10:23 (one week ago) link
I think there's an argument to say Yield is one of their more experimental albums hah.
Here's an attempt at a rough tracklist for an Art Rock Pearl Jam comp, bearing in mind I don't know much past Yield. Haven't established a track order yet. Any suggestions welcome https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7gQqP8IQW2FqRYNS2moMZc?si=0MSfiOAFQGqBWNfuNC5PZw&pi=ZuS1lMpKSH6ra
The new album is actually pretty good BTW. They sound invigorated
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Saturday, 11 May 2024 10:45 (one week ago) link
I recommend Who You Are and Nothing As It Seems. I know they were singles but they were 'difficult' singles
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 11 May 2024 10:48 (one week ago) link
i think yield's status as a back to basics album is overstated, as such records usually are, but in terms of experimental tracks i can't think of anything that would fit except red bar and push me pull me. i get why it might seem like the least arty album in that broader sequence.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 11 May 2024 10:53 (one week ago) link
I love Push Me Pull Me
Yeah I get what you mean. I dunno, Yield has a vibe, an undercurrent. There's something eerie going on under there. The best PJ does
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Saturday, 11 May 2024 11:18 (one week ago) link