Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory? Era Poll

The Masterplan is almost as good as Definitely Maybe.

hum. I don't remember exactly what's on it but I think there are too many Noel sung tracks for me.
The worst being his acoustic tracks.

The Masterplan is as good as either of the first two LP's.

If they'd called it quits after either Knebworth or Be Here Now it would have been perfect.

Yeah the Masterplan is great (although I could do without the live 'I Am the Walrus' in the middle).

xpos yeah, but think of all the Noel solo albums...

eheh I can't imagine a worst (audio) torture than having to listen to all Noel solo albums (how many has he committed ?).
How boring can they be !?

As for quitting after Be Here Now, I remember an interview with Liam (early 00s I guess) saying it was over since Be Here Now and the rest was only for the money !

Yeah, think of all the Noel solo albums that I wouldn't listen to! Knowing the way things panned out, though, I think Noel would have taken more time over his albums if he'd went solo after Be Here Now ... stuff like 'I Can See a Liar' and 'Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is' just wouldn't have come out... and even better, 'Little James' wouldn't have happened.

Liam hates his voice on Definitely Maybe, but I disagree... I think his voice is in fine form and he can hit the high notes no problem, which is something he seemed to have difficulty with later one. I still think Be Here Now is Liam's peak vocally, though - his voice is great on that record.

Liam sounds great on DM and (WTS)MG, I don't know what he sounds like on anything after that because apart from hearing songs on the radio I'd stopped listening by then. Although I did see them live in a freezing stadium in December 2005 and he sounded absolutely dreadful, just a tuneless bellow.

He'd literally had his teeth knocked out in Munich by then, if I remember correctly.

hello is a rocker

only track to sound like the beatles related stuff is don't look back in anger

slip inside in the eye of yr mind lads

I love the way 'Cast No Shadow' sounds... that light drum sound combined with the mellotron strings and backing vocal harmonies. Beautiful. How the fuck they got from that to shouting "GO LET IT OUT GO LET IT IN" over a half-inched 'Strawberry Fields' keyboard lick...

there's some echoes of "rain" era lennon in liam's early vocals, but other than that i never heard any real beatles influence in oasis either -- i don't think anyone would have ever thought to make the connection if noel hadn't talked about them all the time in interviews. i hear a lot more t. rex influence, not just the tunes/riffs but noel's penchant for good-natured nonsense in his lyrics, "i know a girl called elsa/she's into alka-seltzer" etc.

yeah the "Beatles ripoff" stuff always seemed overboard to me. A bunch of lyrical references doth not a ripoff make

I think the Beatles comparison really started with « Whatever » and the band telling everybody « we have made a Beatles song, mates ».

I wonder if they’d have been as big as they were if Noel looked like Bonehead and Liam like Tony McCarroll

Slade is a good shout

Not much fuckin cred in touting yr Slade credentials in 1994 tho tbf

definitely maybe was such a jam for me in '94. Columbia and Slide Away ftw, i still think those are their two best songs.

The one I feel most like listening to now might be.......headshrinker?

That can't be right but yeah headshrinker

Or bring it on down but I mean lol that's just headshrinker

I think the Beatles comparison really started with « Whatever » and the band telling everybody « we have made a Beatles song, mates ».

― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:45 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Beatles comparison came more from Noel talking about how he wanted Oasis to be as big as The Beatles, but musically it didn't really go beyond quoting the occasional Beatles song title in their lyrics and putting 'Strawberry Fields Forever' flutes and 'Tomorrow Never Knows'-style drum "riffs" in there, but a lot of that stuff set in later.

Liam really did want to be John Lennon badly, but the Plastic Ono Band era of Lennon rather than 1964 era Lennon. As such there's a couple of tracks where I hear a bit of solo Lennon in there, but not really The Beatles.

Really ? I hear more Lennon 66/67 in his voice than solo Lennon. The latter being more expressive and personal compared to the more psyche / straightforward pop of the former (I simplify, of course).
And LG was more about shouting the melodies and words - and doing it very well - than being expressive and delicate with the emotions, I think.
Also, for the Beatles comparisons thing, there was this stupid statement from Liam that he would only sing songs by NG and Lennon. ever. And then somehow he ended up singing "Little James"...

Yes, really. Liam's songwriting contributions are more rooted in solo Lennon than Beatle Lennon. 'Little James' and 'Born on a Different Cloud' are his attempts at re-writing 'Beautiful Boy', for example ...

Aw, post Be Here Now, maybe, I really don't know their output enough to judge about that !
But between Definitely Maybe and Be Here Now, I get more of a Lennon 66 vibe from LG than solo Lennon, is what I meant.

So, talking about vocal performance, not songwriting, obviously.

giving the Be Here Now remaster a listen now and it sounds a lot better than i remember it sounding 20 years ago. 20, good christ.

anyone want to give a quick ranking of the post-BHN albums?

Don't Believe the Truth > Dig Out Your Soul >>>>>>>> Heathen Chemistry >>>>>>>> Standing on the Shoulder of Giants

Don't Believe the Truth > Dig Out Your Soul >>>>>>>> Heathen Chemistry >>>>>>>> Standing on the Shoulder of Giants

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, November 17, 2017 9:23 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rankings you will never be able to evaluate because there's no way you're listening to even 1 post morning glory oasis album

There's some excellent stuff on those last two Oasis albums, tbh.

my answer to this poll = morning glory, obviously. it's really exciting to hear still

i actually really like roll with it and might have voted for it, i find the falsetto backing vocals hilarious/great

also a northern britain working class anthem robbed in a manful competition vs awful "arty" southern bastards blur's execrable country house

The "and I want you to know" bit in She's Electric is very "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", as an example of a Beatles lift. I'm in general agreement about the influence being overstated though.

.....the entirety of she's electric is a Beatles lift ..?

'She's Electric' is one of the ones I can detect a Beatles influence in, yeah... the 'Polythene Pam'-ness of the lyric and the outro is pretty much modelled on the outro to 'With a Little Help From My Friends' ...

You wanna know what I think the real influence on 'She's Electric' was, though? It's gonna sound silly but 'Lithium' by Nirvana. Listen to the chord progression and imagine it hasn't been shoehorned into a shuffle.

Throw Noel's voice on it it's damn near a nilsson track

liam sounds like paul mccartney on the "and i want you to know" part

well i never.
ilm vs oasis : love.
i never ever ever expected such a thing to happen.
oh, and after several middling albums, their last one, is fucking wonderful.
especially the extras (DIV productions) in the boxset.

seems p obvious why ilm likes oasis again

...because there are more oasis fans here now?

lex left!!

no but srsly, it's the growing sense that the 1990s were some sort of irretrievable halcyon era, with oasis their supercharged optimistic champion. it's getting better (man!!) ah if only. we yearn for this imo

lex left!!

i laughed.

oasis: dumbly heralding the zenith of our species

Whisht willya

Does that mean 'Pray go on, visionary!'?

It doesn't feel like we've quite entered into a full-on '90s nostalgia era yet, though. It still feels to me like we're in the era of '80s nostalgia, although the existence of The 1975 pretty much confirms that we're nearing the cigarette butt of that particular era.

I still don't like Oasis, AMA

90s nostalgia is huge. it's quite selective - people aren't getting into Sugar Ray and, i dunno, Filter - but it's been here for quite a while.

Problem for Oasis is that they , nor their countless imitators on council estates throughout britain, never really went away and so it's hard to be nostalgic for anything more than their "heroic" period.

Which "countless imitators of Oasis on council estates" are selling truckloads of albums or getting mainstream attention or even exist beyond being amateur bands in 2017? Not many, if any.