POO: Rolling Stones post-1978

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This is either a) really REALLY easy because there'll be one tune that just leaps out from all the other shit and you'll find yourself being delighted to tell the world about a GREAT STONES SONG THAT HASN'T BEEN PLAYED TO DEATH, OR b)impossible, but I want to watch you suffer in the attempt. Then again it could be the single largest critical rehabilitation of all time

dave q, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Had it With You", from 'Dirty Work'. Maybe the title was about Bill Wyman seeing as he's not on it? BW actually WAS a 'dirty little fucker' at the time, a generic description not a judgement. I think the profanity in the song is gratuitous and sounds silly, but we're using pretty low standards here so I'll let it pass. Gets the nod over "Let Me Go" (OK song, shame about sounding a little too much like John Cougar Mellencamp) and "Terrifying" (Ummm, I'm RILLY reaching here)

dave q, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Live stuff doesn't count. They were always great live and always will be and if you don't believe me dial 1-800-EAT-SHIT. OK I fell asleep three songs into the 'Steel Wheels' Vancouver thing but that wasn't an unusual occurence for me at the time. I mean, I fell asleep ON STAGE at a Skin Yard show abut a month later. (I wasn't IN the band of course - just the stage looked like a nice flat surface to crash out on, all the noise and people leaping around didn't register. It's a drunk thing, dig it?)

dave q, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

We've done this before, I think, if not in POO form.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

...I thought they did well with Start ME UP & Under Cover... as they stil had the rawness of their late '60s stuff...with 4-piece drum kit, & not a mullet or DX7 in sight.

Jez, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Slave" off "Tattoo You"

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the 70s Only Rock'n'Roll Hangover of "She's Cold."

Mark, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm goin' with "Where the Boys Go" off EMOTIONAL RESCUE, followed swiftly and unrepentantly by "Too Much Blood" off UNDERCOVER.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Really reaching but... "You Don't Have to Mean It" from Bridges to Babylon. I think that's what Keith's reggae song was called.

Yancey, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Miss you" Is a pretty good song but it may have been 1978.

Kris England, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Well if we were to include Some Girls the choice would be easy -- "Far Away Eyes."

Yancey, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

If it wasn't for Billy boy's appropriation of the song for that Windows launch, "Start Me Up" would be an easy favourite for me, but instead I think I'll probably opt for either "Waiting on a Friend" or "Undercover of the Night"...the former because it's just a great easy-going number, and the latter because it's so driving and nasty.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

all of some girls, Start me Up, Neighbours, Hang Fire, She's So Cold, Waiting on a Friend, Summer Romance, Emotional Rescue, Undercover, she was hot, Had It, Too Much Blood. can't think of anything good after "undercover".

fritz, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

When was "Shattered?" That's about the catchiest they've been in a long while.

nickn, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"(Si Si) Je Suis Un Rock Star"

Arthur, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"shattered" is off "some girls". 1978.

, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Heaven" was a pretty interesting tune off Tattoo You. Also got play in Cameron Crowe's Vanilly Sky-- uneven movie, fantastic soundtrack.

Ryan, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...
If we're including Some Girls-Beast Of Burden
If not-Waiting On A Friend

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link

"Waiting On a Friend" is so much better than anything else they've done post-Some Girls that it's sad.

Evan (Evan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I've got a soft spot for Voodoo Lounge.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Emotional Rescue and Tatoo You -although several TY tracks were songs they had been kicking around for years- came out after 1978. Two of my favorite Stones records, easily. I've always been too chickenshit (or broke) to invest in Undercover or Dirty Work. Tell me something good.

Will (will), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I like Undercover, actually! Dirty Work is just plain awful.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link

"Love Is Strong," and you can all suck my left one.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

"Love Is Strong" rules! I don't know the latter, though. One of Keith's, is it?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link

*rimshot*

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link

"Start Me Up" is clearly a Stones classic.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I dug "Love is Strong" as well

Aaron A., Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't really understand all this praise for "Love is Strong"! I mean, it was WEAK, people, WEAK! Bad lyrics, no real groove, not stretching themselves. Yawn.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link

"Waiting on a Friend" by a mile


"Mixed Emotions" kicks "Love is Strong"s ass

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Hell, even "Out of Control" (off the otherwise forgettable Bridges to Babylon) kicks "Love is Strong"'s meatless, flabby posterior.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Nordicskillz: No, it's by Bikini Kill.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link

"Love is Strong" is one of those songs I'd like to see mapped out on that "parts of a song" thread. It's hard to say what the chorus actually is (or if there is one) -- the refrain is in the verses, and there's a repeating turnaround (bridge?) (it sure ain't a chorus) leading into nothing except the next verse.

Anyway, the guitars are really buzzy and dirty, and I like the wheezy backing vox.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Apart from my (pretty obvious) choice, I would say "Mixed Emotions" deserves a mention too. And even "High Wire".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:08 (sixteen years ago) link

was Some Girls in '79? If so, Shattered. cuz you've got to be toughtoughtoughtoughtoughTOUGH!

And if that was 78, than I'll go with She's So Cold.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm guessing the point of this thread is that most people consider '78 (Some Girls) the cutoff year.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link

"most Stones fans," I should say.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I think they did kickass stuff even recently (I dug Saint Of Me). But they've been consummate professionals ever since uh...It's Only Rock'N'Roll. If I was gonna pick the final badass Stones album it'd be Goats Head Soup. Not that it's so great, but it's the last one where they weren't, for the lack of better words, obvious pros.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Not me, I love still love 'em. I listened to Steel Wheels just a couple months ago and it sounded better than I remembered (and I always liked the record). In fact, my POO is "Slippin' Away", 'cause it gets stuck in my head all the time, and Keith seems to really enjoy singing it. Dirty Work is their worst studio album, easy, but even it has moments.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Miccio you really need to listen to Some Girls again

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 8 May 2003 06:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I like How Could I Stop as well.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I heard "Undercover" in a club last week and it sounded Great! I remember the album being notsogreat, though.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Sean, you need to tell me where that club is, so I can go. I promise not to ask for Barry Manilow.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 9 May 2003 09:30 (sixteen years ago) link

"Pretty Beat Up" from Undercover was really cool & skanky. In fact that whole album was really good. I second the kudos for Voodoo Lounge too. Surprisingly solid effort there.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Friday, 9 May 2003 12:50 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Where is the love for "One Hit"?

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Darryl Jones.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Plenty of love. I'll pick "Hold Back" though.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I will be your night in shiiiiining armmmmaaaahhh...

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Undahcovah (huge echoing drum roll)
Undahcovah (huge echoing drum roll)
Undahcovah of the niiiiiiiiiiiiight

Old School (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm gonna rep for "Heaven."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

"Heaven" is MAHVELOUS. The second side of Tattoo You is better than the first.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/DirtyworkRS.jpg/200px-DirtyworkRS.jpg
that sleeve isn't a good start

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:22 (ten years ago) link

"Start Me Up" is clearly a Stones classic.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, May 7, 2003 8:01 PM (6 years ago)
Apart from my (pretty obvious) choice...
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, May 8, 2003 12:08 AM (6 years ago)

"Start Me Up" becomes my very obvious and boring pic here...
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:16 PM (5 minutes ago)

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:26 (ten years ago) link

a bit like when the bridges became unblocked in Vice City.

You don't know how often I use this as a metaphor IRL.

(Example: Realizing that Shift+Enter makes a single-space line in my HTML editor.)

http://tinyurl.com/mnd3bd (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:29 (ten years ago) link

Now I know the glow of recognition that public-school types get from citing the classics at one another.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:33 (ten years ago) link

btw I was NOT being sarcastic re Dirty Work.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:33 (ten years ago) link

"Rough Justice"

Oppenheimer's Deadly Toy (Boxing Kangaroo), Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:36 (ten years ago) link

Noted xp. This is excellent news. The one time I saw the Stones there was tangible audience deflation any time they ventured beyond about 1973. Hopefully now I can slay the memory of seeing Jagger attempt to lead a singalong to 'Saint of Me'.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:36 (ten years ago) link

Really? He said recently that "Saint of Me" is the one of the few modern songs they have to play live because the response is so extraordinary.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:38 (ten years ago) link

I do quite like it, but it did not get much of a response that night. I think it was current at the time, so audiences may be more familiar now.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:39 (ten years ago) link

High Wire. Another great one is Don't Tear Me Up, the Mick Jagger solo song.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:53 (ten years ago) link

That whole album is pretty good.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:56 (ten years ago) link

Oh I think Mixed Emotions is the song I would go with. I remember hearing it on radio ads for the album and thinking that the Rolling Stones were back, but that didn't last very long.

Dan Landings, Thursday, 30 July 2009 22:04 (ten years ago) link

five years pass...

I thought 78 was cheating so I went post-Tattoo You

i proudly(?) present a new award winning spotify playlist

Dirty Work: Best of Post-Tattoo You Rolling Stones

http://open.spotify.com/user/matthelgeson/playlist/6f4mxlNBAf7Qvqp2YawE18

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 21:49 (four years ago) link

Nice! Coincidental too, for "Slipping Away" finally hit me good last weekend.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 22:03 (four years ago) link

haha i wondered what you'd think, i figured i might be light on undercover and dirty work for you

it was funny though, bridges to babylon ended up being the one that held up the worst by a mile, and i thought that was well received at the time

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 22:14 (four years ago) link

Undercover bores me tbh.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 22:15 (four years ago) link

"Wanna Hold You" is my least favorite Keef of the period.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 22:15 (four years ago) link

ah i thought that was ok

though in general keith in this whole era really seems to thrive on more gentle ballads

Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 22:16 (four years ago) link

"Sleep Tonight" is my favorite Keith ballad, period.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 22:20 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

Here is a track list from a road CDR-74 'Hot Rocks' that I made with tracks from 'Emotional Rescue' through 'Bridges to Babylon'. I thought it flowed pretty well and does show you could make a good long compilation of the Stones records that people think kinda suck.

She's So Cold
Emotional Rescue
Down in the Hole
Undercover of the Night
It Must Be Hell
Too Much Blood
Dirty Work
Sad Sad Sad
Mixed Emotions
Almost Hear You Sigh
Love Is Strong
The Worst
Brand New Car
Out of Control
Saint of Me
How Can I Stop

Couple takeaways:

Some of these later dance production numbers the Stones did work, the incorporated modern production stuff did blend quite well with the Stones grime. (probably Jagger tunes?)

Their most touching music is the ballads or low key tunes. In this stuff Jagger/Richards seems to be trying to catch that old soul vibe. Some of these tunes have had legs as other people have picked them up over the years, which is impressive. (probably Richards tunes? Obviously a few are as Keith sings them too.)

earlnash, Saturday, 14 July 2018 02:39 (one year ago) link

Alfred posted a similar list on his blog recently. stuck it in a spotify playlist - it slays

lâche pas la patate (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:52 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I read that one too. There are other tunes too, they did a few weird kinda 'psych' tunes too on some of the later albums too. You could definitely compile some play lists based upon style a few different ways.

The reunited Allman Brothers did not do all that many studio albums (really only four), but the ones they did are better than you might think. I'm going to work on making a CDR74 of those tunes next.

earlnash, Saturday, 14 July 2018 18:52 (one year ago) link

You could probably toss out one of the rockers on my list and put it back in. I'd probably cut 'Mixed Emotions' to put it in.

earlnash, Saturday, 14 July 2018 19:12 (one year ago) link

Good on Earl for recognizing "It Must Be Hell".

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 14 July 2018 19:15 (one year ago) link

'Sparks Will Fly'

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 14 July 2018 23:12 (one year ago) link

If I was to choose one album of theirs from the post-Some Girls period, then I'd choose A Bigger Bang just over Tattoo You.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 15 July 2018 00:09 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

I'm listening to Steel Wheels now (after running thru most of the other '70s & '80s albums). It's good! I bought the tape when it came out, but haven't heard the album in the intervening 30 yrs. (I don't recall what 13-yr-old me thought of the line, "I'm horny as a hog").

These are quality songs; the band sounds tight & focused; the production and songwriting are big and "commercial" in a pleasing, late-'80s way...

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:30 (one month ago) link

A goddamn lot of filler. The singles and "Slipping Away" and mayyyyybe "Terrifying," where they get a solid groove going in the outro.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:41 (one month ago) link

"Almost Hear You Sigh" has some cool chord changes.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:41 (one month ago) link

I thought it would be kinda embarrassing "suburban dads jamming in the rec room" rock, and I guess to a degree it is, but these songs are tight and hard, with solid riffs and playing that's "pro-level" without sounding too faceless & slick

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:46 (one month ago) link

Some nicely "sensitive" moments, too -- like "Never Hear You Sigh" and "Slipping Away"

(I concede that "Continental Drift" and "Break the Spell" are filler)

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:06 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Still making my way thru their catalog... I didn't realize these guys' songs could be so cartoonish/horny/corny!

The lyrix of earlier songs like "Some Girls" and "Little T&A" seem to represent a sort of, er, "sexist" nadir... happily, by the time you get to Voodoo Lounge, Mick is more good-naturedly kicking off the album with:

Your love is strong, and you're so sweet
You make me hard, you make me weak

...and a few tracks later:

Ooh, I wanna f@#$ your sweet a$$

!!!!

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:54 (two weeks ago) link

TS: "She's So Cold" vs. "She Was Hot"

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:59 (two weeks ago) link

"Waiting on a Friend" by a mile
― James Blount (James Blount)

otm

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 25 November 2019 22:59 (two weeks ago) link

That's a great song, but even it has dodgy lyrics... "Bros before (literal) Ho's!"

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:03 (two weeks ago) link

(I'm not trying to "cancel" the Stones, btw -- I just didn't realize their lyrics were frequently so ridiculous)

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:04 (two weeks ago) link

right now i'm vibing to WINTER

brimstead, Monday, 25 November 2019 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

LOL OOPS WRONG STONES THREAD

brimstead, Monday, 25 November 2019 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

xxxp I think it is deliberately perverse to read the lyric of WoaF as "bros before hos"

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 25 November 2019 23:59 (two weeks ago) link

Wanting to fuck a sweet ass is not sexist.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:02 (two weeks ago) link

what if the ass were Jagger's?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:03 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah that’s not sexist, just horny/corny!

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:07 (two weeks ago) link

(There are a few different categories at work here, sorry I didn’t make that more clear)

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:09 (two weeks ago) link

(“Dirty Work”)

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:10 (two weeks ago) link

for some loser
for some jerk
for some dumbass
yeah

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:22 (two weeks ago) link

There’s a noticeable dropoff at Bridges to Babylon (including to Mick’s voice, but I know that happens)... do that and A Bigger Bang have their fans?

Anyway, I’m pleased to discover how good they remained on record, into the ‘90s (and beyond?). Tattoo You is the only post-‘78 album that I love all the way through — but man, you could put together one hell of a 2CD comp of choice cuts from the others.

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:20 (two weeks ago) link

I haven't kept up with / saw no reason to keep up with post-'78 Stones, but I listened to A Bigger Bang a couple of times and was extremely surprised at how decent it was. With past Stones records, when the singles were rolled out (with the requisite hype), I just thought, meh, more dull-ass Stones shit; if "Harlem Shuffle" or "Has Anybody Seen My Baby?" is the lead single, there's little hope for anything great lurking elsewhere on the record. But "Rough Justice" and "Streets of Love" are...good. Very good, even.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

Like a lot of Classic Rockers, the Stones had problems with CD Bloat. There's decent vinyl-length albums hidden in much of their later work.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:40 (two weeks ago) link

Really good piece!: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/the-rolling-stones-tattoo-you/

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 20:14 (one week ago) link


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