Cocteau Twins : Classic or Dud

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A brief history of my relationship with The Cocteau twins : I bought everything they did as it came out. Liked it. Around 1993, decided I couldn't stand them any more. Sold most of it. Recently bought the BBC Sessions, as I couldn't resist it at £4.99. Loved them. Wondered why we ever fell out. Bought the compilation 'Stars and Topsoil'. I was wrong back in '93 - Classic all along. What do YOU think?

Dr. C, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

absolute classic. they don't seem to be mentioned very much now, but they were superb. again a part of the 80s that seems to have been glossed over in retrospect, comes back to that battle for cultural hegemony over 'our' shared past.

anyway. victorialand, blue bell knoll, heaven or las vegas probably favourites. even four-calendar cafe had some sublime moments.

not so keen on the very early stuff 82/83. 85-90 probably best period. not as edgy then, but don't see them as an 'edgy' band.

favourite song has to be 'the spangle maker'

and those sleeves were wonderful

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Funnily enough, I was surprised how good the early stuff sounds, after not hearing it for so long. "Garlands" "Wax and Wane" and "Feathers-Oar-Blades" in particular are magical. Splendid 808 programming. ( No doubt someone will tell me it wasn't an 808.)

Dr.C, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Very glad to say that I'm whole-heartedly AGREEING with the good Doctor C. again. CLASSIC, CLASSIC, CLASSIC. Even their more dubious moments have a completely unique charm to them.

alex in nyc, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It was a moment of sudden liberation for me a couple of years ago when I realised that it was OK not to like the Cocteau Twins. I'd never really liked them but I'd always sit back as the fountains of critical praise bubbled because a small voice was saying "look, you can't actually say they're rubbish, they're beautiful ethereal cascades of sound" etc. etc.

But actually they're rubbish. Yeah they're beautiful ethereal cascades of sound but it just makes no connection with me, and listening to a whole album is like being force-fed merinques.

Tom, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

mmmm, merinque...

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Bravo Tom! a more eloquent wag than me described them as "gothick victorian whimsy" on the tangents site, which about sums up their horrible, horrible records.

Peter, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

mmmm, victorian whimsy...

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

That's kinda how I felt a few years back, Tom. As I said, I've changed my mind.

Dr. C, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, a careful Classic vote. I've never been really into them, but I sure love 'Heaven or Las Vegas', esp. the first 3 or 4 tracks with the pounding bass, there's something almost edible about those songs. Sweet, sticky, satisfying.

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Precious and overwrought artsyfartsy nonsense, but I love nearly every minute of it. They are the number one example of a loved band where I can understand if someone thinks it's utter garbage. They're like really good Indian food. You either eat enough 'til you burst or spit out the first bite.

I probably differ from most fans, since I didn't think their middle period ('88-'93) was so hot. To me, their career was similar to the Comsat Angels and Throwing Muses in that they started hot, cooled off, and ended hot. That said, I maintain that the endless murk and cheap rhythms of Garlands are totally bitchen. Same regard is held for Milk and Kisses, which most people tend to sour on.

Paging Mr. Raggett...

Andy, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha! I'm summoned! Oh, just feel free to browse the AMG entries for them and that about says it all.

There's more variety in their work than most give them credit for, I think, and while there are certainly patchy albums here and there, _Treasure_, _Victorialand_ and _Heaven or Las Vegas_ alone touch me and cut to the quick. Oh yeah, and "The Spangle Maker" single and the _Aikea-Guinea_ EP and "Pink Orange Red" and...

I like the meringue comparison, but no. The Victorian mentions, album title aside, can be laid at the feet of Vaughn Oliver's art. It's all about taking something dank and making it beautiful while keeping the heft, and about making something that *shouldn't* work -- incomprehensible lyrics, an emphasis on effects over clear melody -- work like a charm. Wouldn't change a single thing about 'em.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude. That first track on _Milk and Kisses_ alone makes them a classic.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's make three AMG writers in a row (provided no one else slips in ahead of me). Classic. Classic! CLASSIC! But again, I understand why others wouldn't really get into it: lyrically speaking, it's hard to get a grasp on, which could make it seem overly precious. I disagree that it's incomprehensible, as many have asserted. If you listen to a lot of it, you can begin to pick out phrases. It's more like a mystery than an affectation, to me...the more I listen to the Cocteaus, the more I discover. That's why I found Four Calendar Cafe disappointing: you could make out too much. But I love almost everything else, with the highlights being Heaven or Las Vegas, Sunburst and Snowblind, virtually all of the singles included in the singles box, and yes, even Milk and Kisses.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan! You wrecked the triad...but since I agree with your comment, I won't complain too hard.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Good, but do they write songs in anything other than 6/8?

DG, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Why mess with perfection? But yes, they do.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I know, I was being cheeky. :)

DG, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. Heaven or las vegas got me out of the moz-mania. And then internet got me out of the cocteau-mania. Is that wrong? :] Still haven't heard garlands, and I don't think I want to. But as for c-o-d, classic.

fernando, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
classic, imho. although my email address might give away my bias. good stuff from all periods. milk and kisses is a little weak, but there are good tracks on this one too. i would have thought that more people would have mentioned blue bell knoll, which i like quite a bit. as with other music, mood dictates which cocteau twins album i will pull for a spin.

jmh, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic of course. They are one of those rare great bands which created a sound which is their own. Their sound is like a parallel universe. Music to forget the world around you. It is dreamy, fairy- tale like and so lulling. It must be the perfect music for babies rocking in the cradle. But I must admit that they started to get on my nerves in 1996 with their last album "Milk and Kisses". Suddenly the magic was gone and they were repeating themselves. I would have liked them to finish with a stronger album. When I first listened to them (and this was "Heaven or Las Vegas", my later favourite) their music sounded so dull so that I can understand Tom. But after a while it clicked. Similar to Belle and Sebastian's "Sinister" which I did not find special in the beginning. Additionally they expanded my English. Now I know what ethereal is.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, but with some dips into dudness. "Treasure" is still (just) in my all-time Top10 LPs. They put out way too much stuff in 1985-6, only half of which was any good. But then a roaring return to form with Blue Bell Knoll & Heaven And Las Vegas. After that, patchy again.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I changed my mind back again - the odd track mixed in with some other stuff is great, a whole album unbearable. Too cloying - too samey. They're a gnat's chuff away from grateness on a maybe half a dozen tracks - the one off Treasure (Lorelei? I never remember the silly titles)which couples a soaring breathy Liz with a kinda Glam stomp in slo-mo is damn near close to perfection. If Guthrie's production could have mixed the cotton woolly maximum flange which he uses all the time with an occasional sharper focus it would sound 100 times better. Contrast, see?

Dr.C, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
come on. one of the best bends of the 80's if not the best.

justin case, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, since this is at the top of the NEW ANSWERS again, anyone heard that new project of Guthrie's? Violet Indiana, that is? I know what Andy thinks...anyone else have a take on it?

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

does no one around here rate head over heels? i think it's easily their best record. "sugar hiccup"...yowza...it's a bit like the sugarcube's "birthday"...it just sends me in a way few other songs do...the perfect distillation of their aesthetic into a brief almost-but-not-quite pop song. (hey tom, does this qualify for the "pop (not pop)" debate?) ;)

jess, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Head Over Heels is their best, Jess? Well no shit, Sherlock.

Andy K., Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Head Over Heels is pretty damn great, and I think the album I play the most after Treasure and Heaven or Las Vegas. It has much more variety than many of the other albums, certainly in comparison to Garlands, and "Musette and Drums" is just monstrous.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think anybody used the E word to describe them until well after Head Over Heels. Evil, perhaps, but not e-fucking-thereal. Those guitars sound ferocious and Liz' cries sound like child abuse. I like " The Tinderbox" along with "Musette" and "Hiccups". Great as Treasure was it marks the beginning, along with a slew of singles and EPs from that time, of the Cocteau's sweet side overtaking their gloriously sinister side.

Curt, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
REVIVE-A-RAMA!

I'm on a spree tonight - and I'm massively back into the Cocs. I think Treasure is one of my all time fave albums, but my knowledge of the rest of their stuff doesn't extend much past it, only to "Four Calendar Cafe" (which I realise is to Treasure as Sing when Your Winning is to Life thru a Lens).

So go on - lets speak of how awesomely great Lorelei is.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Cocteau twins are so very overdue for a rarities/b-sides collection. 4AD's reissued lots of the 80's EPs, but there's worthwhile stuff from the 90's too that's still lost. 'Round', 'An Elan', 'Flock of Soul' were all M&K b-sides, I think. there's also the lovely 'Need-Fire', which was only on, of all things, the Judge Dredd soundtrack. oh, and their last recorded song ever, 'Touch by Touch', which is a real connection to Violet Indiana... lovely stuff.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

As classic as it's possible to get -- despite later stuff letting them down.

One of the great bands of the 80s.

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 05:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone who says "dud" gets the eternal middle finger from me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never really engaged with the Cocteaus... I can see why people like them, but what I've heard by them has never made me go "WOW! THAT'S BRILLIANT". with the exception of 'Song To The Siren', which might be by This Mortal Coil rather than the Cocs themselves as such.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Mmm, they are rather like eating a whole treacle steam pudding to yourself: delightful at first but 3 1/4 the way through and it's - glckk! ... enough spongey sweetness!
But those first few mouthfuls - wow wow wow, heaven!

David Merryweather (DavidM), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

re-revive-orama !

some time last autumn i had a funny turn :

falling in love with the cocteaus again.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

DV, for all intents and purposes, "Song to the Siren" is a Cocteaus song (Liz and... Simon(?)).

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm seeing Robin Guthrie solo tonight in San Francisco. I will report back afterward.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Please do!

Seb (Seb), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:49 (sixteen years ago) link

It should be a very placid evening.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes tell us what happens, Kyle.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:03 (sixteen years ago) link

It was quite good! I fell asleep though (twice). He performed to a film he'd made which was kind of superfluous; pretty, but kind of sub-brakhage attempts at color and light with a few naked ladies thrown in for good measure. It was good to have something to look at occasionally though. Songs were from Imperial (a few of them) and some were new; they were definitely much more interesting live than the album, which, again, is pretty, but kind of inconsequential. It was great to see him generate those classic Guthrie reverb drenched tones though. He plays so effortlessly, everything looks so easy. I think the tour dates are on the bella union site, if you're a fan it's well worth going.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:31 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
So Hilburn/LA Times are claiming the Cocteaus are reuniting and playing Coachella, as will be announced tomorrow. Allegedly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:25 (fifteen years ago) link

I know, I just read that on the other thread and I'm afraid I'm just in shock. Surely it can't really be?

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Maximum classic. Aside from echoing the feeling of other pro-Twin-ists, I can only add that immersion in their stuff truly is a dependable visit--I shall now sound very earnest and lame--to a very safe, candy-cotton cocoony place.

iang, Monday, 31 January 2005 07:38 (fifteen years ago) link

recorded, classic. live... dud.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, well, she used to get pretty nervous live, that's true. But by the time of Milk & Kisses it seemed to me she might have conquered a lot of her fright.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Can't find a damn thing on the "official web site" about a reunion other than rumours.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Off to the desert!

http://www.ambitious-outsiders.com/images/lineup05.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe they'll tour later this year with Dead Can Dance and my head can FUCKING EXPLODE

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Except the cut of "Teardrop" for House doesn't have Liz! (in the versions I've seen, maybe there's a longer cut)

Vinnie, Friday, 23 October 2020 05:03 (two months ago) link

the world is stupid

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 23 October 2020 05:09 (two months ago) link

i didn't realize that the "song to the siren" cover was so key to the whole this mortal coil origin story! it's also, so it seems, where they met Simon Raymonde. damn. sometimes, when you got it, you got it

― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:23 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Martin Aston's 4AD book is a treasure trove of info like this. And there's a lot of Cocteau Twins content in that tome iirc. I came away with a new appreciation for 4AD after reading it despite not really caring about half of the label's output

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 23 October 2020 09:44 (two months ago) link

threw Pink Opaque on last night, albeit in the background, and rediscovered Aikea Guinea, Wax and Wane and Hitherto. but some other tracks weren't as good as i remembered them (or weren't memorable)

koogs, Friday, 23 October 2020 11:27 (two months ago) link

Aston book is great *but* it outrageously names the pub over the road from 4AD as the Slug & Lettuce. Come on, man, that chain didn't exist until '85. No way no damn Xmal Deutschland logo was designed in a Slug & Lettuce. :) (It was definitely a S&L for all of the '90s).

(Actually, 4AD-haters are probably very amused by the parallels with that much-maligned chain of airy, spacious, stripped-pine bars.)

I believe Millimillenary was the first thing Simon R and Robin G wrote together, late '83. One of my faves on Pink O.

Michael Jones, Friday, 23 October 2020 12:30 (two months ago) link

I remembered last night that I am legally obligated to post this 1985 news report every time this thread is revived

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOlNfC8_xQ

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 23 October 2020 13:59 (two months ago) link

^^ it's in my YT faves like, ten times

Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 23 October 2020 14:10 (two months ago) link

lol, thank you for that. love the newsteam touching their hair at the end there

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Friday, 23 October 2020 14:36 (two months ago) link

to be fair, Siouxsie was huge in the pre-Cocteau postpunk scene, 1978-1980

I love that the same post punk Siousxie adoration that produced the Cocteaus somehow produced Altered Images.

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Friday, 23 October 2020 15:13 (two months ago) link

I read somewhere (maybe the Martin Aston 4AD book) that when Ivo first heard the Cocteaus it was on such a shitty quality demo tape that he couldn't even hear Liz's voice but he was intrigued by the guitar sound and he asked them to come and play. So Liz Frazer was something of an unexpected bonus!

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Friday, 23 October 2020 15:22 (two months ago) link

Yay Cocteau fever !

LeRooLeRoo, Friday, 23 October 2020 16:40 (two months ago) link

WAIT - that's elizabeth fraser on Mezzanine?!?!!

Was she ever. Last year's Massive Attack tour focused on that album -- a remarkable presentation -- featured her and over twenty-five years after I last saw her on the Four Calendar Cafe tour -- where she was clearly not in the best of headspaces -- seeing her just gently/regally appear and do her two songs was so remarkable. I've been casual friends with the Chavis brothers from the Veldt for many years and they got to know Robin and Liz when Robin produced an unreleased album by them in 1990, and they met up with her backstage at one of the East Coast dates of the tour and the photos they posted and the memories made it clear they were very happy to see her again and vice versa, and that she's in good spirits. I value that very, very highly.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 October 2020 16:44 (two months ago) link

the idea of Liz having Siouxsie tats, and then having them removed, threw me into a lengthy reverie yesterday

rip van wanko, Friday, 23 October 2020 16:45 (two months ago) link

well this thread got me to finally check out This Mortal Coil and ... honestly, Ned, I'm angry that you didn't push me toward them earlier.

lukas, Saturday, 24 October 2020 04:09 (two months ago) link

jeez next you'll be telling us you've never heard Love's Easy Tears

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Saturday, 24 October 2020 05:48 (two months ago) link

xpost I can’t help it if you don’t follow my every word of wisdom. *sighs dramatically* But more seriously, better late than never, and now you know. I can always play Filigree and Shadow at a moment’s notice. But It’ll End in Tears I need to be in a place for.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 October 2020 07:09 (two months ago) link

xp well um

lukas, Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:40 (two months ago) link

WELL

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:42 (two months ago) link

The Spangle Maker: FUCK YEAH

otm

― sleeve, Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:37 PM (one week ago)

this song has ruined music. we're done here

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Sunday, 25 October 2020 02:38 (two months ago) link

In a moment of synchronicity, I am reading the collection of Grim Humour 1-10 that's just come out (and I recommend to you all) and #10 had a review of the Cocteau Twins show from 28th October 86.

It ends with the question "by the way, was that a tattoo of Siouxsie I saw on Liz Frazer's shoulder?"

But the review itself supports some of our period claims from above - "I've always liked the Cocteau Twins but on this live performance... well, they were boring, tiring, pretentious charmless... I found it all rather sad to be honest. This once fine band have burnt themselves out already. As John Peel once put it "they seem to have decayed into the bowels of their own beauty" and never a truer word was spoken."

pedantly admonishment (aldo), Monday, 26 October 2020 13:48 (two months ago) link

A friend of mine saw them in 1990 and found it lifeless. It's hard to be spontaneous when you're a trio playing highly arranged songs backed by a drum machine.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 26 October 2020 14:38 (two months ago) link

I would definitely not expect to be knocked out by a live performance by this band

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 26 October 2020 14:59 (two months ago) link

As John Peel once put it "they seem to have decayed into the bowels of their own beauty"

if you're gong to decay into bowels, though, what a way to go

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:02 (two months ago) link

Does anybody like the song "I Wear Your Ring," because I'm trying to work on a piano arrangement for this song and I'm worried that's it's too simple or something. It has three distinct melodies, so that's a plus. Maybe I could add something rhythmically in the left hand... I like the conga rhythm it starts with, maybe I could integrate that into the sections where there's not much going on.

Josefa, Sunday, 8 November 2020 00:19 (two months ago) link

A friend of mine saw them in 1990 and found it lifeless. It's hard to be spontaneous when you're a trio playing highly arranged songs backed by a drum machine.

I'm curious, where was this? One reason I like Cocteau Twin tapes from this era is the mixing is so strange. The engineers always seemed to mix the drum machines (e.g. TR-808) super loud so they bang like it was the club.

Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 8 November 2020 01:21 (two months ago) link

A good example from 1990:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijDrNshmn2c

skip to Cherry Coloured Funk (39:07).

Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 8 November 2020 01:23 (two months ago) link

Except the cut of "Teardrop" for House doesn't have Liz! (in the versions I've seen, maybe there's a longer cut)

I, embarrassingly, watched every episode of House. They would occasionally use the album version for dramatic scenes.

Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 8 November 2020 01:24 (two months ago) link

The concert was in Massey Hall in Toronto, which was built in 1894, and so the acoustics probably aren't ideal for making the drum machines bang like it was the club.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 8 November 2020 01:34 (two months ago) link

At Liverpool Royal Court in Oct '90, I just wanted them to turn the guitars UP. From where I was stood (near the back, late arrival) it was a hesitant wash, and it never really got going. But then, I'd seen Ride in Sheffield the previous night, my ears were probably blitzed from that (and I'd also slept in the station and had a ridiculously stressful journey to Merseyside involving two replacement buses).

They were much better in Wolverhampton and Warrington in '94. (Warrington is also where EFC hero Pat Nevin got me backstage and I had a brief fanboy chat with Liz, and a much less embarrassing encounter with members of Moose).

Michael Jones, Sunday, 8 November 2020 11:11 (two months ago) link

_WAIT - that's elizabeth fraser on Mezzanine?!?!!_


Was she ever. Last year's Massive Attack tour focused on that album -- a remarkable presentation -- featured her and over twenty-five years after I last saw her on the _Four Calendar Cafe_ tour -- where she was clearly not in the best of headspaces -- seeing her just gently/regally appear and do her two songs was so remarkable. I've been casual friends with the Chavis brothers from the Veldt for many years and they got to know Robin and Liz when Robin produced an unreleased album by them in 1990, and they met up with her backstage at one of the East Coast dates of the tour and the photos they posted and the memories made it clear they were very happy to see her again and vice versa, and that she's in good spirits. I value that very, very highly.


Didn’t realize she’d toured with them so recently. This is a really nice performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=822xOo0_FyI

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 8 November 2020 17:10 (two months ago) link

Robin produced an unreleased album by them in 1990


Omg wow! Just discovered the Veldt recently, would like to hear this!

brimstead, Sunday, 8 November 2020 18:46 (two months ago) link

Are Apollo Heights (following on from The Veldt) finished? I completely missed their second album The Killer Of Sheep, but nobody actually seems to own it, so it must be unreleased?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 November 2020 19:14 (two months ago) link

Okay, they're The Veldt again now with two new EPs
https://theveldtmusic.bandcamp.com/
and an unreleased album called Resurrection Hymns. So the Chaivs Brothers have 3 unreleased albums? Killer Of Sheep was said to be their darkest thing yet.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 November 2020 19:38 (two months ago) link

Chavis Brothers, sorry.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 November 2020 19:39 (two months ago) link

https://www.facebook.com/VeldtThe/posts/3473214679401355?__tn__=-R
Still trying to release that first album!

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 November 2020 19:51 (two months ago) link

right on

brimstead, Sunday, 8 November 2020 19:58 (two months ago) link

Toured with Seefeel last year and are working on a "vinyl" album now.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 November 2020 19:59 (two months ago) link

I'm still very, very annoyed that due to pure chance in planning, I missed both the Veldt playing in SF for the first time in forever the other year -- and the following week also missed the last Monkees tour as such for Good Times where the date I could have seen in Monterey was one of the very few Mike showed up at since he lives in the Carmel Valley. Had I reversed some dates on my end somehow I could have seen both!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 November 2020 23:41 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

An understandably disjointed but entertaining potted history of the Cocteaus, 4AD and various associated acts...

https://arcane-delights.com/2020/12/15/cocteau-twins-4ad-the-mary-chain-other-stories-an-interview-with-colin-wallace/

Cocteau Twins, 4AD, The Mary Chain & Other Stories – An Interview with Colin Wallace

Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Thursday, 24 December 2020 10:44 (three weeks ago) link

Now desperately need to hear Liz Frazer singing ‘Baggy Trousers’.

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 24 December 2020 11:19 (three weeks ago) link

What a great piece. Receiving these records on the other side of the world I thought it was all the work of gods, it’s hilarious to hear the real stories.

assert (MatthewK), Friday, 25 December 2020 06:48 (three weeks ago) link

Yes, really enjoyed that! Thanks for sharing

kites aren't fun (NickB), Friday, 25 December 2020 07:48 (three weeks ago) link

i've been listening to all those eps SOOOOOO much this year. thanks for sharing that article, and thanks to many itt for pointing me in the right direction with the pair of cocteau musicians that make up the group <3

Karl Malone, Friday, 25 December 2020 17:35 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

let me be clear: my cocteau twins fever has not resided. it has not faded away. no. in fact, it has only grown stronger, more interconnected, reinforced stronger still. i feel that i now have a strong handle on the 2 musicians that formed the pair, those two, those cocteau twins. up through Heaven or Las Vegas. I have actually never listened to them after that, to my knowledge.

i also now realize that the archetypal "ep band" was cocteau twins. the idea of a band putting lots of good shit on the eps, hard to find in a record shop, you gotta import it, etc - that's cocteau twins

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 06:49 (five days ago) link

will someone please call me out on my cocteau twins are only two musicians gag, it's holding me down and i need help eradicating it

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 06:50 (five days ago) link

please, someone tell me i was the first to think of it too

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 06:55 (five days ago) link

soooooo if the Cocteau Twins are two musicians then why did Harold Budd dedicate 'Flowered Knife Shadows' to Simon Raymonde

just tryin' to help

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 07:04 (five days ago) link

+ searched for saint who posted 'need-fire' to thread in recent months - many thanks

I fictionally tagged it as track 11 of 'Milk And Kisses' just to hear it more

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 07:21 (five days ago) link

will someone please call me out on my cocteau twins are only two musicians gag, it's holding me down and i need help eradicating it

Well, you are right regarding Head Over Heels and Victorialand. (Sorry.)

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 14:59 (five days ago) link

Sorry, I can't, Jerry & Debby Cocteau were in fact a magnificent musical duo.

Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:06 (five days ago) link


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