Cocteau Twins : Classic or Dud

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A brief history of my relationship with The Cocteau twins : I bought everything they did as it came out. Liked it. Around 1993, decided I couldn't stand them any more. Sold most of it. Recently bought the BBC Sessions, as I couldn't resist it at £4.99. Loved them. Wondered why we ever fell out. Bought the compilation 'Stars and Topsoil'. I was wrong back in '93 - Classic all along. What do YOU think?

Dr. C, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

absolute classic. they don't seem to be mentioned very much now, but they were superb. again a part of the 80s that seems to have been glossed over in retrospect, comes back to that battle for cultural hegemony over 'our' shared past.

anyway. victorialand, blue bell knoll, heaven or las vegas probably favourites. even four-calendar cafe had some sublime moments.

not so keen on the very early stuff 82/83. 85-90 probably best period. not as edgy then, but don't see them as an 'edgy' band.

favourite song has to be 'the spangle maker'

and those sleeves were wonderful

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Funnily enough, I was surprised how good the early stuff sounds, after not hearing it for so long. "Garlands" "Wax and Wane" and "Feathers-Oar-Blades" in particular are magical. Splendid 808 programming. ( No doubt someone will tell me it wasn't an 808.)

Dr.C, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Very glad to say that I'm whole-heartedly AGREEING with the good Doctor C. again. CLASSIC, CLASSIC, CLASSIC. Even their more dubious moments have a completely unique charm to them.

alex in nyc, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

It was a moment of sudden liberation for me a couple of years ago when I realised that it was OK not to like the Cocteau Twins. I'd never really liked them but I'd always sit back as the fountains of critical praise bubbled because a small voice was saying "look, you can't actually say they're rubbish, they're beautiful ethereal cascades of sound" etc. etc.

But actually they're rubbish. Yeah they're beautiful ethereal cascades of sound but it just makes no connection with me, and listening to a whole album is like being force-fed merinques.

Tom, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

mmmm, merinque...

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Bravo Tom! a more eloquent wag than me described them as "gothick victorian whimsy" on the tangents site, which about sums up their horrible, horrible records.

Peter, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

mmmm, victorian whimsy...

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

That's kinda how I felt a few years back, Tom. As I said, I've changed my mind.

Dr. C, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Well, a careful Classic vote. I've never been really into them, but I sure love 'Heaven or Las Vegas', esp. the first 3 or 4 tracks with the pounding bass, there's something almost edible about those songs. Sweet, sticky, satisfying.

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Precious and overwrought artsyfartsy nonsense, but I love nearly every minute of it. They are the number one example of a loved band where I can understand if someone thinks it's utter garbage. They're like really good Indian food. You either eat enough 'til you burst or spit out the first bite.

I probably differ from most fans, since I didn't think their middle period ('88-'93) was so hot. To me, their career was similar to the Comsat Angels and Throwing Muses in that they started hot, cooled off, and ended hot. That said, I maintain that the endless murk and cheap rhythms of Garlands are totally bitchen. Same regard is held for Milk and Kisses, which most people tend to sour on.

Paging Mr. Raggett...

Andy, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ha! I'm summoned! Oh, just feel free to browse the AMG entries for them and that about says it all.

There's more variety in their work than most give them credit for, I think, and while there are certainly patchy albums here and there, _Treasure_, _Victorialand_ and _Heaven or Las Vegas_ alone touch me and cut to the quick. Oh yeah, and "The Spangle Maker" single and the _Aikea-Guinea_ EP and "Pink Orange Red" and...

I like the meringue comparison, but no. The Victorian mentions, album title aside, can be laid at the feet of Vaughn Oliver's art. It's all about taking something dank and making it beautiful while keeping the heft, and about making something that *shouldn't* work -- incomprehensible lyrics, an emphasis on effects over clear melody -- work like a charm. Wouldn't change a single thing about 'em.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Dude. That first track on _Milk and Kisses_ alone makes them a classic.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Let's make three AMG writers in a row (provided no one else slips in ahead of me). Classic. Classic! CLASSIC! But again, I understand why others wouldn't really get into it: lyrically speaking, it's hard to get a grasp on, which could make it seem overly precious. I disagree that it's incomprehensible, as many have asserted. If you listen to a lot of it, you can begin to pick out phrases. It's more like a mystery than an affectation, to me...the more I listen to the Cocteaus, the more I discover. That's why I found Four Calendar Cafe disappointing: you could make out too much. But I love almost everything else, with the highlights being Heaven or Las Vegas, Sunburst and Snowblind, virtually all of the singles included in the singles box, and yes, even Milk and Kisses.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Dan! You wrecked the triad...but since I agree with your comment, I won't complain too hard.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Good, but do they write songs in anything other than 6/8?

DG, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Why mess with perfection? But yes, they do.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I know, I was being cheeky. :)

DG, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic. Heaven or las vegas got me out of the moz-mania. And then internet got me out of the cocteau-mania. Is that wrong? :] Still haven't heard garlands, and I don't think I want to. But as for c-o-d, classic.

fernando, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
classic, imho. although my email address might give away my bias. good stuff from all periods. milk and kisses is a little weak, but there are good tracks on this one too. i would have thought that more people would have mentioned blue bell knoll, which i like quite a bit. as with other music, mood dictates which cocteau twins album i will pull for a spin.

jmh, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic of course. They are one of those rare great bands which created a sound which is their own. Their sound is like a parallel universe. Music to forget the world around you. It is dreamy, fairy- tale like and so lulling. It must be the perfect music for babies rocking in the cradle. But I must admit that they started to get on my nerves in 1996 with their last album "Milk and Kisses". Suddenly the magic was gone and they were repeating themselves. I would have liked them to finish with a stronger album. When I first listened to them (and this was "Heaven or Las Vegas", my later favourite) their music sounded so dull so that I can understand Tom. But after a while it clicked. Similar to Belle and Sebastian's "Sinister" which I did not find special in the beginning. Additionally they expanded my English. Now I know what ethereal is.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, but with some dips into dudness. "Treasure" is still (just) in my all-time Top10 LPs. They put out way too much stuff in 1985-6, only half of which was any good. But then a roaring return to form with Blue Bell Knoll & Heaven And Las Vegas. After that, patchy again.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I changed my mind back again - the odd track mixed in with some other stuff is great, a whole album unbearable. Too cloying - too samey. They're a gnat's chuff away from grateness on a maybe half a dozen tracks - the one off Treasure (Lorelei? I never remember the silly titles)which couples a soaring breathy Liz with a kinda Glam stomp in slo-mo is damn near close to perfection. If Guthrie's production could have mixed the cotton woolly maximum flange which he uses all the time with an occasional sharper focus it would sound 100 times better. Contrast, see?

Dr.C, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
come on. one of the best bends of the 80's if not the best.

justin case, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, since this is at the top of the NEW ANSWERS again, anyone heard that new project of Guthrie's? Violet Indiana, that is? I know what Andy thinks...anyone else have a take on it?

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

does no one around here rate head over heels? i think it's easily their best record. "sugar hiccup"...yowza...it's a bit like the sugarcube's "birthday"...it just sends me in a way few other songs do...the perfect distillation of their aesthetic into a brief almost-but-not-quite pop song. (hey tom, does this qualify for the "pop (not pop)" debate?) ;)

jess, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Head Over Heels is their best, Jess? Well no shit, Sherlock.

Andy K., Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Head Over Heels is pretty damn great, and I think the album I play the most after Treasure and Heaven or Las Vegas. It has much more variety than many of the other albums, certainly in comparison to Garlands, and "Musette and Drums" is just monstrous.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think anybody used the E word to describe them until well after Head Over Heels. Evil, perhaps, but not e-fucking-thereal. Those guitars sound ferocious and Liz' cries sound like child abuse. I like " The Tinderbox" along with "Musette" and "Hiccups". Great as Treasure was it marks the beginning, along with a slew of singles and EPs from that time, of the Cocteau's sweet side overtaking their gloriously sinister side.

Curt, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
REVIVE-A-RAMA!

I'm on a spree tonight - and I'm massively back into the Cocs. I think Treasure is one of my all time fave albums, but my knowledge of the rest of their stuff doesn't extend much past it, only to "Four Calendar Cafe" (which I realise is to Treasure as Sing when Your Winning is to Life thru a Lens).

So go on - lets speak of how awesomely great Lorelei is.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Cocteau twins are so very overdue for a rarities/b-sides collection. 4AD's reissued lots of the 80's EPs, but there's worthwhile stuff from the 90's too that's still lost. 'Round', 'An Elan', 'Flock of Soul' were all M&K b-sides, I think. there's also the lovely 'Need-Fire', which was only on, of all things, the Judge Dredd soundtrack. oh, and their last recorded song ever, 'Touch by Touch', which is a real connection to Violet Indiana... lovely stuff.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

As classic as it's possible to get -- despite later stuff letting them down.

One of the great bands of the 80s.

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 05:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone who says "dud" gets the eternal middle finger from me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never really engaged with the Cocteaus... I can see why people like them, but what I've heard by them has never made me go "WOW! THAT'S BRILLIANT". with the exception of 'Song To The Siren', which might be by This Mortal Coil rather than the Cocs themselves as such.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Mmm, they are rather like eating a whole treacle steam pudding to yourself: delightful at first but 3 1/4 the way through and it's - glckk! ... enough spongey sweetness!
But those first few mouthfuls - wow wow wow, heaven!

David Merryweather (DavidM), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

re-revive-orama !

some time last autumn i had a funny turn :

falling in love with the cocteaus again.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

DV, for all intents and purposes, "Song to the Siren" is a Cocteaus song (Liz and... Simon(?)).

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm seeing Robin Guthrie solo tonight in San Francisco. I will report back afterward.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 November 2004 04:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Please do!

Seb (Seb), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:49 (sixteen years ago) link

It should be a very placid evening.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes tell us what happens, Kyle.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:03 (sixteen years ago) link

It was quite good! I fell asleep though (twice). He performed to a film he'd made which was kind of superfluous; pretty, but kind of sub-brakhage attempts at color and light with a few naked ladies thrown in for good measure. It was good to have something to look at occasionally though. Songs were from Imperial (a few of them) and some were new; they were definitely much more interesting live than the album, which, again, is pretty, but kind of inconsequential. It was great to see him generate those classic Guthrie reverb drenched tones though. He plays so effortlessly, everything looks so easy. I think the tour dates are on the bella union site, if you're a fan it's well worth going.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:31 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
So Hilburn/LA Times are claiming the Cocteaus are reuniting and playing Coachella, as will be announced tomorrow. Allegedly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I know, I just read that on the other thread and I'm afraid I'm just in shock. Surely it can't really be?

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Maximum classic. Aside from echoing the feeling of other pro-Twin-ists, I can only add that immersion in their stuff truly is a dependable visit--I shall now sound very earnest and lame--to a very safe, candy-cotton cocoony place.

iang, Monday, 31 January 2005 07:38 (sixteen years ago) link

recorded, classic. live... dud.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, well, she used to get pretty nervous live, that's true. But by the time of Milk & Kisses it seemed to me she might have conquered a lot of her fright.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Can't find a damn thing on the "official web site" about a reunion other than rumours.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Off to the desert!

http://www.ambitious-outsiders.com/images/lineup05.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe they'll tour later this year with Dead Can Dance and my head can FUCKING EXPLODE

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

+ searched for saint who posted 'need-fire' to thread in recent months - many thanks

I fictionally tagged it as track 11 of 'Milk And Kisses' just to hear it more

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 07:21 (four months ago) link

will someone please call me out on my cocteau twins are only two musicians gag, it's holding me down and i need help eradicating it

Well, you are right regarding Head Over Heels and Victorialand. (Sorry.)

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 14:59 (four months ago) link

Sorry, I can't, Jerry & Debby Cocteau were in fact a magnificent musical duo.

Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:06 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

just a check-in: i STILL have cocteau fever, and i'm beginning to think it's more like a chronic condition that i don't want to go away. but somehow, i held off on listening to anything after Heaven or Las Vegas, until today.

the album: Four-Calendar Cafe
the songs i thought were pretty good: "know who you are at every age", "evangeline"
the one i think is an all-time cocteau twins classic, and if i ever am in a diner and hear some wiseacre threatening his significant other by making fun of late cocteau twins and suggesting there's nothing there to find, i might walk over and be like "hey buddy, you're fucking wrong about that. the song is "PUR". google it sometime. it kicks ass. and now i'm about to kick YOUR ass", etc etc

but yeah, "pur" is the one for me. getting ready to do some milk & kisses

Karl Malone, Friday, 29 January 2021 23:54 (three months ago) link

"violaine" fucking rules

Karl Malone, Friday, 29 January 2021 23:57 (three months ago) link

OH SHIT!

"lullabies to violaine"...so that's why. ok. wait, does this mean that cocteau twins lyrics are supposed to make sense or reference anything tangible? because i'm not ready for this change

Karl Malone, Friday, 29 January 2021 23:58 (three months ago) link

continued first impressions: milk & kisses is really good! was not expecting that. i don't know the band lore or what happened to liz or label stuff. i have the perception that people tend to drop off after las vegas, and there is a definite inflection point in their sound, before and after. but damn, some of milk & kisses really rules.

also, "sixteen days / gathering dust" rules. on a song-per-song basis, album/ep/mortal coil/harold buddin' around/house theme song, the consistent level of quality is astounding. they were either really prolific and good self-editing, or only played brilliant music, all the time. it's one of those. either way, well done, twins!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 January 2021 00:49 (three months ago) link

Milk and Kisses IS very good, Rilkean Heart*, Eperdu, and Seekers Who Are Lovers are all-time Cocteau tracks. But yeah, it can be a little odd in the latterdays when you can make out most of what she's singing.

*The little piano version of this on the Twinlights EP is also awesome

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:08 (three months ago) link

what's the deal with Four-Calendar Cafe? even the title?!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:34 (three months ago) link

"The album took its title from William Least Heat-Moon's book Blue Highways, in which the author considers the quality of a restaurant by how many calendars it has hanging on its wall."

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:41 (three months ago) link

that's cool, but garlands, head over heels, treasure, victorialand, the moon and the melodies, blue bell knoll, heaven or las vegas, FOUR-CALENDAR CAFE

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:45 (three months ago) link

I always thought Heaven or Las Vegas was the odd one out

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:55 (three months ago) link

That one is kinda weird, it’s true

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 January 2021 01:59 (three months ago) link

I adore Heaven or Las Vegas and Milk and Kisses but have never been able to get with FCC – the tunes, the lyrics you can understand or the production even.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 31 January 2021 04:07 (three months ago) link

Same. Except for "Pur". That is top tier Cocteau.

LeRooLeRoo, Monday, 1 February 2021 01:51 (three months ago) link

Four-Calendar Cafe is better than Garlands

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Monday, 1 February 2021 01:54 (three months ago) link

i need to spend more time with both, but i looooved garlands on first listen, from the first note

Karl Malone, Monday, 1 February 2021 02:01 (three months ago) link

“know who you are from every age” and “summerhead” are my favs from FCC

brimstead, Monday, 1 February 2021 02:45 (three months ago) link

I fell hard for Four Calendar Cafe a couple years ago after neglecting it for a long time. Theft, and Wandering Around Lost is the major highlight for me—definitely a top 10 Cocteaus song. Also I think Four Calendar Cafe is only marginally more intelligible lyrically than Heaven or Las Vegas

J. Sam, Monday, 1 February 2021 03:22 (three months ago) link

I agree, my favourites are "Theft and wandering around lost" and "Oil of angels". The surface is very demure yet the feelings go deep. In "Theft", the whole structure is just a setup for the key changes at 2.53 and again at the very last chord, keeping the emotions on an even keel until they break out.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 1 February 2021 03:26 (three months ago) link

f.hazel that's easily disproven when one considers that *nothing* is better than Garlands

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 1 February 2021 03:29 (three months ago) link

Garlands is the one I always return to, can't get enough of the sound of it. Peppermint Pig 12" too.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 1 February 2021 03:45 (three months ago) link

this has been your Sunday evening Cocteaus challops service

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Monday, 1 February 2021 03:50 (three months ago) link

you should of heard the sound my monocle made as it hit the floor

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 1 February 2021 04:16 (three months ago) link

I link Four-Calendar Cafe inextricably with December 1993, when I had it in heavy rotation and we decorated our apartment with mountains of Christmas lights, which had of late become extremely cheap and colorful.

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:10 (three months ago) link

My Cocteaus fandom is a bit like BradNelson's approach to music, whichever one I am listening to at the time is the best ever made.
But Garlands is special to me, it was hard to find back in 80s Australia and felt like my first "deep" album purchase.

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:11 (three months ago) link

Ok after re-listening to both albums this morning, I can confirm that Four-Calendar Cafe is every bit as good as Heaven or Las Vegas, which I suppose is my biggest Cocteaus-related challop. xp I feel you with those Christmas lights; this music is a perfect soundtrack to the blizzard that's raging here in NYC right now. Such powerful Winter Wonderland vibes

J. Sam, Monday, 1 February 2021 16:36 (three months ago) link

I want to have Cocteau Fever at that intensity, I really do. But Heaven or Las Vegas is pretty much flawless (like almost everything they releases in the 1980s, it seems)

Karl Malone, Monday, 1 February 2021 16:55 (three months ago) link

altho it itself is a 1990 release
I’m not even going to rise to the 4CC challop

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 1 February 2021 16:57 (three months ago) link

i'm still new here and this is probably not 100% true, but i think it's very possible that Heaven or Las Vegas actually ENDED the 1980s. i mean, it was already 1990, true, but Heaven perfected the entire decade of the 1980s, showing that there was no point in going down that path, especially because of all the 90s calendars that had been already been printed

Karl Malone, Monday, 1 February 2021 17:18 (three months ago) link

Four of them, even

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 1 February 2021 18:06 (three months ago) link

Zach that is a pretty useful conceit, although it came out later in 1990 as I recall. What a joy it was to get home from the record shop and cue that album up. Same year as MBV's Tremolo I think, it was pretty clear this was forever music.

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:10 (three months ago) link

'4CC' and 'Milk & Kisses' are fantastic. 'Calfskin Smack,' 'Treasure Hiding,' 'Know Who You Are At Every Age,' 'Squeeze-Wax' *chef's kiss*

KevRus, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:37 (three months ago) link

Tremolo was early 91. Trust me, I know.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:55 (three months ago) link

Glider, 1990, yes.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:56 (three months ago) link

Tremolo was early 91. Trust me, I know.

hope yr getting your (gulp) 30th anniversary piece ready ned!

would a nit be nice? (NickB), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:58 (three months ago) link

xxp lol Ned

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:58 (three months ago) link

HoLV was Sep 17 '90, Tremolo was Feb 4 '91 (30y tomorrow!). I also don't have to look these dates up, seems like every Monday morning I was in a record shop back then ;)

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:20 (three months ago) link

Trust me, I know.

― Ned Raggett

i am going on hunger strike until this exact text is the new board description.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:49 (three months ago) link

"The Ark of the Covenant"
"Are you sure?"
"Pretty sure"

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:00 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

man i'm hungry

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 03:50 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

fucken starvin

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 1 May 2021 06:41 (two weeks ago) link

sugar hiccup bah cheerios

brimstead, Saturday, 1 May 2021 16:29 (two weeks ago) link

I mentioned this on another thread but I scored a set of the 80s singles recently and they sound SO MUCH BETTER than lullabies to violaine omg. It’s nice when you turn up a CD and actually hear more detail and not just ear bleeding mush.

brimstead, Saturday, 1 May 2021 16:34 (two weeks ago) link

u mean the 10CD box? god I love that thing

"Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Saturday, 1 May 2021 16:36 (two weeks ago) link

brims—

we have the original uk cd version of head over heels + sunburst and snowblind and yes: dynamics! i know some people complain about some of those albums being too shrill on the cd mastering, but i never understood the mindset that louder = better.

something something loudness wars.

also i didn't eat breakfast this morning.

again.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 1 May 2021 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

Chris Ott wrote like 1200 words about the mastering on these things for Pitchfork when they were reissued.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 13 May 2021 23:49 (two days ago) link

IRONIC

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 13 May 2021 23:49 (two days ago) link

wait, what

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 May 2021 00:49 (yesterday) link

Listened to Need-Fire today, don't forget about Need-Fire guys.

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Friday, 14 May 2021 00:51 (yesterday) link


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