Maintaining a Digital Music Collection

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There's been some talk about digital music collections in the past on threads like The Data Migration Thread , but I wanted to start a new thread! dedicated solely to those of us who are actively building up (legally acquired) digital music collections. I'm not talking about buying a CD or LP and then digitizing it, but buying music natively in mp3, FLAC, or some other format. The majority of posters on ILM seem to prefer their music on LPs and CDs, and I definitely see the appeal in doing that--up until very recently, I had to have everything in CD-- but I think there might be a few others who, like me, are starting to purchase most of their music digitally.

Recently, I've decided to go (mostly) digital. The first step in this process has been culling my CD collection. I sold off a chunk of the collection in two batches, and I'm getting ready to sell off a third. My goal is to eventually have as few physical CDs as possible, and I want all of my digital music to sit on two hard drives. Most of the new music I buy is from Amazon mp3, although I'm currently searching for some good online stores that sell everything in FLAC.

I'm doing this for several reasons:

(1) I'm 22, so I'm of the generation that sees CDs as nothing more than a storage medium. I buy a CD, rip it into iTunes, and place it on my CD shelves, where it sits forever.
(2) I have a lot of books, and I'm not a fan of eBook readers, so I plan on acquiring many more books than I already own, and I don't want to maintain two physical media collections.
(3) I need less shit in my life in general.
(4) There's a lot of stuff that's difficult for me to easily acquire where I live, and I've been able to find some stuff that I've had a lot of difficulty tracking down in brick-and-mortar stores on Amazon mp3 and iTunes.
(5) A lot of artists are starting to do the whole LP + mp3/FLAC thing, and I have no desire to start collecting LPs. I think that soon enough more and more artists will start going this route as CDs sales continue to tank.

Is anyone else actively maintaining a digital record collection or planning on doing so? Where are you buying from? How are you storing and organizing everything?

As I said, I'm sure that the audience for this thread on this board is relatively small, but I'm hoping there might be at least a few others out there who are going this route, and perhaps we can get a discussion going.

Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Saturday, 22 August 2009 23:19 (twelve years ago) link

i can't even fathom doing what you're doing. seems no stretch of my imagination no matter how great will alow me to even consider the possibility paying for an mp3. sorry!

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 23:26 (twelve years ago) link

Keep all your favorite/best CDs, or yer gonna feel like a chump when that hard drive explodes

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 22 August 2009 23:39 (twelve years ago) link

Much more convenient for housebreakers too, like being able to carry away a whole collection in a binder.

I am using your worlds, Saturday, 22 August 2009 23:41 (twelve years ago) link

I'm more interested in how people are organizing large digital collections. Do you just chuck it all in one folder or do you take the time to set things up in an artist/album way? Do you keep multiple CDs as multiple folders or just combine it all? Do you get rid of duplicates or is that too much work? Etc.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 23 August 2009 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

I trust that when you say "two hard drives" you mean one to back up the other. Wouldn't be the dumbest thing to, from time to time, dump everything to a third that you send offsite--back to your parents' house, for example. I'd also make sure you were getting everything at the highest quality possible. What seems good now, won't. And storage will someday be irrelevant.

I just use iTunes, so that takes care of the folders and files. Two external drives (one good quality for constant use, the other, cheaper, to backup the first once a week). I do try to eliminate duplicates, but that can be a lot of work. And also to maintain consistency of names and genres. There are certainly times I feel more like a database manager than a music listener.

But I still can't see getting rid of the originals. Risky. Maybe putting them in deeper storage?

Michael Train, Sunday, 23 August 2009 00:20 (twelve years ago) link

I'm more interested in how people are organizing large digital collections.

I don't have an enormous digital collection, only about 4000 songs. I organize it in a pretty standard way, I think. A folder for each artist, and then within that, folders for each album, using the format of:

year - album name

Adding the year onto the front can be a hassle if you didn't do it from the start, but once everything uses that format it's convenient because it arranges everything chronologically under each artist.

I also make sure that I have album art for each album, which has come in handy recently with my new iPhone acquisition, since you can flip through your collection by scrolling through album covers.

ZS69 (Z S), Sunday, 23 August 2009 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

My concern with acquiring material digitally is bad rips - I'm paranoid about downloading something from Amazon and hearing digital noise. I've heard reports of this a number of times; I'd rather make my own rips and have the quality under my own control.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:07 (twelve years ago) link

Z S, do you still buy many physical releases?

Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

I'm more interested in how people are organizing large digital collections. Do you just chuck it all in one folder or do you take the time to set things up in an artist/album way? Do you keep multiple CDs as multiple folders or just combine it all? Do you get rid of duplicates or is that too much work? Etc.

― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

For right now my shit's all over the place, but I'm starting to work out in my head how I'm going to manage this . . .

I'm considering starting off by organizing by the SOURCE of the mp3. So, if I download something from Amazon, it will go into an Amazon/[artist name] folder. Then I'll copy everything into iTunes and have it copy everything into its own directory structure and sort everything for me.

Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:22 (twelve years ago) link

Keep all your favorite/best CDs, or yer gonna feel like a chump when that hard drive explodes

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

^ This is the plan, Whiney.

Honestly, though, I usually listen to records I love 30-40 times and then I can barely, if ever, listen to them again. Wilco's a ghost is born is my favorite record of the decade, and I've barely listened to it since 2005. By then, my brain's had enough of the record for a lifetime.

Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

I buy records with pretty much all of my spare money, which isn't much, admittedly. I download everything else.

ZS69 (Z S), Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

I have about 45 DVDs on a spindle, each of which holds about 4.5 GB of MP3s (AACs, actually). I have a desktop iMac with a 250GB hard drive which has about 50GB or so of music on it, and I'm planning to burn all that to DVD pretty soon. I've also got a laptop (on which I'm typing this post) with a similar-sized hard drive, and that one's got about 25GB of music on it at present (because that's the one I import all my promo CDs to, and download digital promos to). I'm gonna burn that stuff to DVD soon as well. How many individual albums does all this add up to? Several thousand, easy.

unperson, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:08 (twelve years ago) link

my brain's had enough of the record for a lifetime.

Yeah, I feel the same about that Wilco album. Mind you, I've never heard it.

Dom J. Palladino (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

stop ripping. bind your cds its totally hot

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:22 (twelve years ago) link

unperson: Do you still buy/collect any physical albums or are you mostly digital?

kshighway, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:24 (twelve years ago) link

Album art is always nice to have, in any form. To me, just collecting mp3s seems really sterile and doesn't have any connection to the process of collecting music. A lot of my best memories of music are of buying it at my favorite local store, or studying the lyrics. My thought process when I think about an album immediately begins with the album cover.

I guess there's nothing wrong with collecting music the way you are, and god knows, just about everyone your age was raised under the same circumstances. I personally never want to stop "collecting" music outside of the mp3 format, although I do realize there will come a day (in the not too distant future) that cars won't even come with CD players.

slagterm, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:27 (twelve years ago) link

and all your meals will come in tablet form.

Someone left the cape out in the rain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

Do you still buy/collect any physical albums or are you mostly digital?

I don't keep many individual album CDs around anymore - one tower's worth, which is about 400 or so, plus another couple of hundred slimcase promos and things in weirdly shaped digipaks which I keep in a cabinet. Mostly what I keep is boxed sets, especially archival ones like the Anthony Braxton Mosaic box from last year, or the Miles Davis Complete Plugged Nickel Sessions set.

unperson, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:32 (twelve years ago) link

stop ripping. bind your cds its totally hot

Yes, great idea. This works best if you put similar genres adjacent to each other (e.g., all your M0unt41n G04ts CDs next to your Bright Eyes, Dashboard Confessional and Taking Back Sunday). That way once J0hn D. gets you feeling all emo and sad, it's only a single binder page-flip to your Chris Carrabba stuff! Woo!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

god the saddoes eager to show they've heard of me are out in force tonite eh

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:09 (twelve years ago) link

lool

you! me! posting! (electricsound), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:10 (twelve years ago) link

:'(

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:42 (twelve years ago) link

eager to show they've heard of me

Seriously though -- considering I've been on ILM three years, that was hardly the point.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:46 (twelve years ago) link

dude it's all love I was just rezingin please unsad that face

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:59 (twelve years ago) link

How good a sound quality/how great a breadth would an on-demand music service have to be in order to consider doing away with having a digital collection at all?

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 23 August 2009 04:28 (twelve years ago) link

I can't really hear the difference between a well encoded mp3 and a FLAC, even though I've had the opportunity to use some pretty heavy audiophile equipment in the past...tin ears, I guess. so as long as it's 200+ kbps I'm fine, which both Amazon and iTunes do now.

what are you gonna do when iTunes moves to this rumored 'Cocktail' format?

my biggest problem with a digital collection is all the metadata. do you add the lyrics? when do you feel the need to add a composer? what if you can't find a decent scan of the album art bigger than 150x150 pixels? etc.

tony dayo (dyao), Sunday, 23 August 2009 06:25 (twelve years ago) link

We've got about 80gb of music on this iMac, which runs three iPods - an 80gb classic that sits on the Zeppelin, my 1gb shuffle, and Em's iPhone. It's not backed up anywhere at the moment, because we've only just migrated to this machine in the last week. We've got an external HD that'll take it all. The vast majority of it is backed up next door on a couple of thousand CDs though, and most of our listening is probably still off CDs. I've bought a few dozen songs from iTunes, mainly b-sides, odd old singles, and things that I'd not want a whole album or compilation of. I guess those are the only ones that really NEED backing up. Everything's just organised via iTunes; I'm pretty anal about covers & tags & things. I don't think we'd ever go totally digital; just yesterday I bought The XX album on CD. I love CDs too much. But then I'm 30.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 23 August 2009 07:38 (twelve years ago) link

for all you guys backing up to CD/DVD, be careful: Up To 10% of CD-Rs Fail Within a Few Years

tony dayo (dyao), Sunday, 23 August 2009 07:53 (twelve years ago) link

I've got pretty much my entire music collection in digital form on a 500gb hard drive (with another one as backup) for iPod purposes - however I only really buy singles digitally rather than whole albums. This is partly because I like the physical object and partly 'cos the CDs I do still buy are mostly very cheap secondhand/bargain bin ones so it's cheaper just to rip from the disc. That said, I've got rid of/have boxed up to get rid of 350+ CDs this year, basically things I've gone off. I moved earlier this year and I've got slightly less room in the new house which certainly spurred me on and I'll be honest, it feels really good paring things down (I still have loads left though!).
The main reason for me buying CDs over vinyl was portability - I've always done a large portion of my listening on the move and I had a CD walkman up until a few years back. However I've started replacing some CDs with vinyl for home listening and I intend to buy more nof my new music in vinyl form (really grateful to those labels who include a download coupon with the record). I could never see myself only having a digital collection and nothing else - I'm sure I'll hang on to lots of my remaining CDs for as long as they can be played.

Gavin in Leeds, Sunday, 23 August 2009 09:27 (twelve years ago) link

(really grateful to those labels who include a download coupon with the record)

Seconding this.

I think I'm at 8 or 9TB of digital files now split evenly between audio and video and I'm probably going to go to some sort of desktop RAID 5 set up once the next generation of 2+TB drives become common. I'm more concerned with having a decent file system that can handle all that and a metafile indexer/cataloger that won't collapse when I hit it with that size of data.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 23 August 2009 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

Even if i was goin digital, I think I would throw all my CDs in storage or somethin

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 23 August 2009 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, amassing a bunch of files isn't really "collecting" anything anymore is it? It;s like saying you collect pokemon

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:00 (twelve years ago) link

For those who are on PC, Mediamonkey is the only place to go.

J4mi3 H4rl3y (Snowballing), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

"I mean, amassing a bunch of files isn't really "collecting" anything anymore is it? It;s like saying you collect pokemon"

If you have a file that isn't readily replaceable/accessible (like say something dubbed off a rare public access TV performance that only you have a VHS copy of), then it takes on more of the properties of something tangible/loseable like pokemon cards, but my thinking is that music services will increasingly make obsolete any need to keep a file or file backup at all.

For example, netflix users wouldn't bother to "collect" movies they've seen on netflix, at least not with any great frequency. (though there's supposedly some pirate group that prides itself on having backed up the entire netflix catalog)

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:27 (twelve years ago) link

i don't really consider my digital music a "collection" per se, it's just me tunes

i could (and will) quite happily be all-digital in the future. i'll probably hang on to most of my cds, boxed up and stored away, more than anything else because it's not worth the time or effort trying to sell them.

you! me! posting! (electricsound), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

my digital vs hard copy purchase ratio is about 9 to 1 at the moment. i think i've bought less than 50 cds this year.

you! me! posting! (electricsound), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

well but this is what begs the really interesting generational divide question. what is your collection? a series of hard-evidence signifiers about experiences you've had & can have again at will, tangible evidence of those experiences - or is your real collection the experiences themselves, and the physical collection something of an old-fashioned proof that will no longer be necessary in the future/present? nb I am from the previous gen so for me I gotta have some physical token to feel like I "own" something. but I don't think that's the only way to conceive of "ownership," and I suspect that different conceptions - no less valid - will replace/have replaced "our" conception. it's like: I don't save ticket stubs or collect/trade shows, but I do have a collection of live music experiences - that collection is the experiences themselves. digital collections are considerably more tangible than those, right?

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

xpost w/philip btw

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

"Honestly, though, I usually listen to records I love 30-40 times and then I can barely, if ever, listen to them again."

I cannot for the life of me fathom feeling this way about "records I love".

Alex in SF, Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

At age 45, my big paradigm shift was when the artwork and liner notes shrank from 12" to 5", so I find myself strangely blasé (perfectly happy, actually) about the shift from 5" disc to digital file.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

Pardon my grammar. I'm 45, not my paradigm shift.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:54 (twelve years ago) link

w/r/t generational divide, I don't believe the next generation will be so alien as to maintain a digital collection against an endless buffet that makes that collection obsolete when making personal top-ten lists does all the signifying one needs (and is an activity well-enjoyed cross-generationally)

so maybe this kind of digital album collecting as if they were physical albums will be a weird hiccup peculiar to just this moment in time.

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:56 (twelve years ago) link

i can appreciate good artwork as much as the next dude but i've pretty much always listened to music the same way - compiled the best songs into whatever format i was working with at the time (tape, cdr, playlist) and listen to that, completely separate from the original artifacts. so artwork is really something i only ever looked at if i wanted to know who the producer was or something. frankly some records i appreciate more for not having the shitty artwork.

internetkonnektivität (electricsound), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:56 (twelve years ago) link

i have a car and that is mostly why i buy cds

winston, Monday, 24 August 2009 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

Honestly, though, I usually listen to records I love 30-40 times and then I can barely, if ever, listen to them again. Wilco's a ghost is born is my favorite record of the decade, and I've barely listened to it since 2005. By then, my brain's had enough of the record for a lifetime.

How old are you? I found that after about 10 years, I bought a lot of albums I previously weeded out by favorite groups. Now that I'm digitizing my collection, it's not as big a deal. I'm still keeping 60% of my CDs. I'm ripping in FLAC with dbpoweramp, correct some tagging and make playlists with Mediamonkey, and listen in three rooms with Squeezebox. I will be able to fit everything on my 6TB NAS server with room to spare, and have everything backed up twice, one on extra drives at home, another at work. It's nice to be able to have access to everything at work.

I think it's crucial to use lossless files. You can easily convert them to another format with a batch converter without losing anything. Buying CDs is still the cheapest option, because you can get deals on them new and used for under $10 each. $1 to $2 a song for FLAC is just not an option. The CDs you don't want to keep, you can sell, and end up spending only $2 to $5 on the music.

I'm listening to more of my music more often now that I can play it simultaneously in multiple rooms. Living with someone else the past couple years, I had stopped listening later at night because she goes to sleep earlier. Now I can put on some closed headphones and have access to the whole collection from bed on the Duet remote.

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:38 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, one of the biggest obstacles for me re: digital is that iTunes keeps changing how it organizes things.

Like for a while it was just artist/song/album and then with a recent update you can put files in one pile while labeling it another with "sort by." Also my iphone used to recognize "sort by" so I'd sort all my compilations by "#" so the errant comp tracks just show up at the end. The new iPhone update no longer recognizes "sort by" and my iphone tracks are now a shitty jumble again.

Who knows what iTunes will change to? Or even if we'll be using itunes in 10 years?

patti lmaonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

where we're going, we don't need iTunes

tony dayo (dyao), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

iTunes is just a ID3 tag editor isn't it (at least for mp3 files) and it's such an 800 pound gorilla that I'm sure whatever player we'll be using in the future, Mp3-O-Matic 5000 or whatever, will definitely be "iTunes compatible"

the Album Artist field is such a life saver w/r/t rap albums...and Sort By is great for those who catalog by last name, among others

tony dayo (dyao), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

but completely useless for people that use iphones

patti lmaonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

there's an OS X version of Foobar 2000 that should do FLAC -> AAC conversion

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 23:34 (four months ago) link

<3333 thank you! i loved foobar on windows!

maelin, Thursday, 22 July 2021 10:56 (four months ago) link

XLD: https://sourceforge.net/projects/xld/

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 29 July 2021 19:49 (four months ago) link

i never got into the ipod or mp3 players as the only thing i do is convert youtube videos to mp3 and make my own cds of the music i can not collect on cd.

xzanfar, Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:56 (four months ago) link

my guy xzan, you need soulseek in ur life.

maelin, Sunday, 1 August 2021 22:14 (three months ago) link

for those missing classic itunes on mac:
https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive
i'm so happy!

maelin, Monday, 2 August 2021 22:01 (three months ago) link

What’s so desireable about the old iTunes? As far as I can see the new Music app is the same application, only with video stripped out and a couple bugs fixed.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 06:49 (three months ago) link

They dumped the XML format which broke a load of DJ apps and other integrations iirc

stet, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 09:51 (three months ago) link

Ah yes that - Apple deprecated the XML file back in High Sierra already and finally removed it in Catalina. Apps are supposed to use the iTunesLibrary API instead, but yeah a lot of older applications were never updated. You can still generate the XML manually btw, File > Library > Export Library.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 11:24 (three months ago) link

easier to manage ipod stuffs on the old one. also cover flow. probably more things.

maelin, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:01 (three months ago) link

Music app makes my little search window go away all the time and then I have to click a dropdown menu and select "show filter field" or some shit and I hate it.

Finally broke down and got a standalone mp3 player a while back. First I had a Shanling Mofi which I liked a lot because it was so tiny, but after a little over a year it's batter crapped out and started swelling and destroyed the thing. Shanling offered no support.

Now I'm using a Hidizs AP80 which is a little bigger but seems to work well. But with both units, once a card is loaded up with a ton of music most of the features are lost and you can only use it with files.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:28 (three months ago) link

The SD card based Walkman is hardy and sounds great and has long battery life. Only real drawback is proprietary usb cable.

On the el cheapo side I love the fiio M3K now that someone made a Rockbox port for it. Battery life pretty good too, though not as long as the Walkman.

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 00:01 (three months ago) link

NB I only do folder and file browsing no database stuff

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 00:02 (three months ago) link

The SD card based Walkman is hardy and sounds great and has long battery life. Only real drawback is proprietary usb cable.

Agree; I've had one for several years and love it. You can't really make playlists on it, though, at least I've never figured out how.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 00:22 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

lo l I still can't figure out how to create a playlist in Plex. I kind of found one weird way of applying a filter to your entire Library and creating a smart playlist based on that but I just want to drag songs into a playlist for the gym.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 20:46 (three months ago) link

it is a huge pain in the ass and not very useful!

It’s kind of wild

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 August 2021 20:43 (three months ago) link

I think bandcamp allowing downloads may be the final straw in my attempt to actively maintain a collection or at least add new songs to it

ncxkd, Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:18 (three months ago) link

why?

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:24 (three months ago) link

xp what happens when they get bought out in ten years and the "allowable" content changes?

sleeve, Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:24 (three months ago) link

personally I'm saving all my Bandcamp downloads on two local drives and one offsite hard backup

sleeve, Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:25 (three months ago) link

or,to use another example, what happens if the artist leaves the site?

sleeve, Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:26 (three months ago) link

(unlikely, but still)

sleeve, Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:26 (three months ago) link

been thinkin' a lot about this shit lately because I had my 1st 5TB drive die and it turned out my offsite backup had dropped his drive w/my stuff, so Ii had to back up from my personal copy which is closer than I'd prefer to get. Guess I gotta get redundant offsite data dumps, the good news is that transferring 3+TB only takes a day or so.

sleeve, Thursday, 19 August 2021 23:28 (three months ago) link

personally I'm saving all my Bandcamp downloads on two local drives and one offsite hard backup

Wise. (Currently I'm the reverse -- two offsite, one local.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 August 2021 00:01 (three months ago) link

or,to use another example, what happens if the artist leaves the site?

― sleeve, Thursday

damn, you make a point

ncxkd, Friday, 20 August 2021 00:39 (three months ago) link

or the album is removed...that's happened as well.

ncxkd, Friday, 20 August 2021 00:39 (three months ago) link

sometimes intentionally, i kinda like the fact that some albums are ephemeral by design

scanner darkly, Friday, 20 August 2021 01:42 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

spent too much of sunday trying to get digital jukebox to supply images to the playlist app. the server has a plugin that exposes them on a noddy javascript-based http server, only the url isn't documented (took about an hour to work out - needs query param ?path=/prefix/artist/album/ ). and the app lets you specify a hostname and prefix but doesn't do query parameters, just path parameters.

the server will also fetch images from the web if they aren't there (and enabled), only the jukebox has no internet access, runs on a wifi hotspot hosted by my old phone, which the app also runs on.

ended up writing my own, hardcoding the mountpoint for the drive, keeping it as simple as possible. will try and add a read-through cache tonight, somewhere other than the music drive, which is mounted read-only

only then did i notice that only about 5% of the directories have images and i need several thousand more... (might add artist images first, and/or generic fallback images)

koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 11:33 (two weeks ago) link

Interesting. Link to the digital jukebox you're using?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 15 November 2021 15:57 (two weeks ago) link

even now only about 40% of my album archive has album cover images, life's too short

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 15 November 2021 16:05 (two weeks ago) link

is it tho

mookieproof, Monday, 15 November 2021 16:08 (two weeks ago) link

get out of my head! hahaha

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 15 November 2021 16:15 (two weeks ago) link

> Interesting. Link to the digital jukebox you're using?

https://volumio.com/

it's a graphical front end (browser based) on top of mpd. but the graphical front end and the mpd clients (which i prefer) don't interact well - things added by the one don't show up in the other. so it's not great. it *was* the only thing that setup my soundcard (phatdat) on my pi (zero) automatically though, and that's why i'm using it.

koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 16:37 (two weeks ago) link

i have pi zero, with dac, 500GB drive, and a usb hub stuffed in a slim Ferrero Rocher box (was the right size, and i can see the lights). mains, audio and a usb connector comes out the back. usb connector runs to an old nook that i'm using as a now-paying display (another noddy script i wrote running on the pi)

there are a bunch of mpd clients for android, can't quite remember which one i use. mostly i just run my 'add 20 unheard tracks' script and let it go.

it's very ghetto. they do sell nice-looking complete systems on the site though.

koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 16:53 (two weeks ago) link

and yeah, i'm sure there are more images, especially for digital downloads. maybe i didn't copy them over from the master disk to the jukebox disk, or maybe the filenames are just wrong (i am looking for 'cover.jpg' and nothing else).

koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 16:55 (two weeks ago) link

http://www.koogy.clara.co.uk/jukebox.jpg

(pi and dac now in a 3d printed case inside the FR box)

koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

if i ever want to chat about Logitech Media Server again, I'll come here and not the Sonos thread..lol

How is Spotify integration on Volumio? I was thinking of setting it up as a friend's files/streaming system. LMS probably overkill when you're not looking to do multi-room.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 15 November 2021 18:18 (two weeks ago) link

dunno, i use it purely to play oggs from my collection (the pi has no internet access).

the forum on the site might help (seems to be full of people having spotify problems!)

started looking at images and there are more with different names. also, they are of a mixed bag - some are 3000px square, others are 75px square. some aren't even square.

koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 19:10 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks I'll have a look at that. I spose I should just stick with what I use... I can't expect any system like this to go totally smoothly.

Good luck with the images. If i couldn't sort out automating that job in mp3tag or puddletag or something, I just couldn't be bothered.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 15 November 2021 19:33 (two weeks ago) link

ha, I'm running LMS on a Raspberry Pi 3 with a 1TB SD card (piCorePlayer is fantastic for setting this up, very easy to use) to use with my aging Squeezeboxen... although you can roll your own Squeezebox now using Raspbi accessories so buying a used Squeezebox is an expensive and unnecessary option.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Monday, 15 November 2021 19:53 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I like it a lot, and now with the Material Skin it's easy to recommend... maybe even for a single player setup.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 15 November 2021 20:02 (two weeks ago) link

about 700 images now, but i doubt that's a quarter of them. they skew to newer things where i've been doing them with new purchases but there' nothing for the bulk ripping of 10 years ago.

koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 22:48 (two weeks ago) link

the forum on the site might help (seems to be full of people having spotify problems!)

I have a HiFiBerry setup and the Spotify Connect has always been really undependable. I tend to use Airplay, but I dislike that for other reasons. I suspect it's an issue with spotifyd as I keep seeing similar behavior on other product forums that utilize it.

beard papa, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 18:20 (two weeks ago) link

Is that with Volumio? I imagine it's the same with LMS but I rather use it via the Spotify API rather than Connect, so it's more seamless and acts like my files would, pretty much. Does Volumio only do Connect?

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 19:08 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, HiFiBerryOS seems to be competing with Volumio so very similar looking feature set. The only reason I use it is because I bought one of their little DACs, so I think it's optimized to work with that.

beard papa, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 22:42 (two weeks ago) link

oh i didn't know about HiFiBerry OS. I'm almost positive you could just as easily run PiCorePlayer for LMS :)

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 23:15 (two weeks ago) link

I wrote a little 200 line Flask app on my Pi to provide a web page that can control playback of MP3s, which I copy over using a little FTP script on my desktop.

o. nate, Saturday, 20 November 2021 01:11 (one week ago) link

volumio is meant to do the same, and more, only the play queue it maintains is independent from the one the standard remote app uses, making that part imo pointless. instead i have a script that'll pick 20 unheard tracks and use the remote app if there's anything specific i want to hear.

Have been adding cover images about 20 at a time, pick an artist on discogs and go through their list middle clicking on everything i own, then going through the open tabs and saving the images, renaming and resizing. still way more tracks without an image than have one though.

koogs, Saturday, 20 November 2021 07:32 (one week ago) link

(flask looks useful - templates, proper logging - i'm using js and console.log for both!)

koogs, Saturday, 20 November 2021 07:40 (one week ago) link


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