Maintaining a Digital Music Collection

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There's been some talk about digital music collections in the past on threads like The Data Migration Thread , but I wanted to start a new thread! dedicated solely to those of us who are actively building up (legally acquired) digital music collections. I'm not talking about buying a CD or LP and then digitizing it, but buying music natively in mp3, FLAC, or some other format. The majority of posters on ILM seem to prefer their music on LPs and CDs, and I definitely see the appeal in doing that--up until very recently, I had to have everything in CD-- but I think there might be a few others who, like me, are starting to purchase most of their music digitally.

Recently, I've decided to go (mostly) digital. The first step in this process has been culling my CD collection. I sold off a chunk of the collection in two batches, and I'm getting ready to sell off a third. My goal is to eventually have as few physical CDs as possible, and I want all of my digital music to sit on two hard drives. Most of the new music I buy is from Amazon mp3, although I'm currently searching for some good online stores that sell everything in FLAC.

I'm doing this for several reasons:

(1) I'm 22, so I'm of the generation that sees CDs as nothing more than a storage medium. I buy a CD, rip it into iTunes, and place it on my CD shelves, where it sits forever.
(2) I have a lot of books, and I'm not a fan of eBook readers, so I plan on acquiring many more books than I already own, and I don't want to maintain two physical media collections.
(3) I need less shit in my life in general.
(4) There's a lot of stuff that's difficult for me to easily acquire where I live, and I've been able to find some stuff that I've had a lot of difficulty tracking down in brick-and-mortar stores on Amazon mp3 and iTunes.
(5) A lot of artists are starting to do the whole LP + mp3/FLAC thing, and I have no desire to start collecting LPs. I think that soon enough more and more artists will start going this route as CDs sales continue to tank.

Is anyone else actively maintaining a digital record collection or planning on doing so? Where are you buying from? How are you storing and organizing everything?

As I said, I'm sure that the audience for this thread on this board is relatively small, but I'm hoping there might be at least a few others out there who are going this route, and perhaps we can get a discussion going.

Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Saturday, 22 August 2009 23:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

i can't even fathom doing what you're doing. seems no stretch of my imagination no matter how great will alow me to even consider the possibility paying for an mp3. sorry!

samosa gibreel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 23:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Keep all your favorite/best CDs, or yer gonna feel like a chump when that hard drive explodes

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 22 August 2009 23:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Much more convenient for housebreakers too, like being able to carry away a whole collection in a binder.

I am using your worlds, Saturday, 22 August 2009 23:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm more interested in how people are organizing large digital collections. Do you just chuck it all in one folder or do you take the time to set things up in an artist/album way? Do you keep multiple CDs as multiple folders or just combine it all? Do you get rid of duplicates or is that too much work? Etc.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 23 August 2009 00:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

I trust that when you say "two hard drives" you mean one to back up the other. Wouldn't be the dumbest thing to, from time to time, dump everything to a third that you send offsite--back to your parents' house, for example. I'd also make sure you were getting everything at the highest quality possible. What seems good now, won't. And storage will someday be irrelevant.

I just use iTunes, so that takes care of the folders and files. Two external drives (one good quality for constant use, the other, cheaper, to backup the first once a week). I do try to eliminate duplicates, but that can be a lot of work. And also to maintain consistency of names and genres. There are certainly times I feel more like a database manager than a music listener.

But I still can't see getting rid of the originals. Risky. Maybe putting them in deeper storage?

Michael Train, Sunday, 23 August 2009 00:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm more interested in how people are organizing large digital collections.

I don't have an enormous digital collection, only about 4000 songs. I organize it in a pretty standard way, I think. A folder for each artist, and then within that, folders for each album, using the format of:

year - album name

Adding the year onto the front can be a hassle if you didn't do it from the start, but once everything uses that format it's convenient because it arranges everything chronologically under each artist.

I also make sure that I have album art for each album, which has come in handy recently with my new iPhone acquisition, since you can flip through your collection by scrolling through album covers.

ZS69 (Z S), Sunday, 23 August 2009 00:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

My concern with acquiring material digitally is bad rips - I'm paranoid about downloading something from Amazon and hearing digital noise. I've heard reports of this a number of times; I'd rather make my own rips and have the quality under my own control.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Z S, do you still buy many physical releases?

Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm more interested in how people are organizing large digital collections. Do you just chuck it all in one folder or do you take the time to set things up in an artist/album way? Do you keep multiple CDs as multiple folders or just combine it all? Do you get rid of duplicates or is that too much work? Etc.

― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

For right now my shit's all over the place, but I'm starting to work out in my head how I'm going to manage this . . .

I'm considering starting off by organizing by the SOURCE of the mp3. So, if I download something from Amazon, it will go into an Amazon/[artist name] folder. Then I'll copy everything into iTunes and have it copy everything into its own directory structure and sort everything for me.

Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Keep all your favorite/best CDs, or yer gonna feel like a chump when that hard drive explodes

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

^ This is the plan, Whiney.

Honestly, though, I usually listen to records I love 30-40 times and then I can barely, if ever, listen to them again. Wilco's a ghost is born is my favorite record of the decade, and I've barely listened to it since 2005. By then, my brain's had enough of the record for a lifetime.

Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

I buy records with pretty much all of my spare money, which isn't much, admittedly. I download everything else.

ZS69 (Z S), Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

I have about 45 DVDs on a spindle, each of which holds about 4.5 GB of MP3s (AACs, actually). I have a desktop iMac with a 250GB hard drive which has about 50GB or so of music on it, and I'm planning to burn all that to DVD pretty soon. I've also got a laptop (on which I'm typing this post) with a similar-sized hard drive, and that one's got about 25GB of music on it at present (because that's the one I import all my promo CDs to, and download digital promos to). I'm gonna burn that stuff to DVD soon as well. How many individual albums does all this add up to? Several thousand, easy.

unperson, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

my brain's had enough of the record for a lifetime.

Yeah, I feel the same about that Wilco album. Mind you, I've never heard it.

Dom J. Palladino (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

stop ripping. bind your cds its totally hot

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

unperson: Do you still buy/collect any physical albums or are you mostly digital?

kshighway, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Album art is always nice to have, in any form. To me, just collecting mp3s seems really sterile and doesn't have any connection to the process of collecting music. A lot of my best memories of music are of buying it at my favorite local store, or studying the lyrics. My thought process when I think about an album immediately begins with the album cover.

I guess there's nothing wrong with collecting music the way you are, and god knows, just about everyone your age was raised under the same circumstances. I personally never want to stop "collecting" music outside of the mp3 format, although I do realize there will come a day (in the not too distant future) that cars won't even come with CD players.

slagterm, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

and all your meals will come in tablet form.

Someone left the cape out in the rain (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

Do you still buy/collect any physical albums or are you mostly digital?

I don't keep many individual album CDs around anymore - one tower's worth, which is about 400 or so, plus another couple of hundred slimcase promos and things in weirdly shaped digipaks which I keep in a cabinet. Mostly what I keep is boxed sets, especially archival ones like the Anthony Braxton Mosaic box from last year, or the Miles Davis Complete Plugged Nickel Sessions set.

unperson, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

stop ripping. bind your cds its totally hot

Yes, great idea. This works best if you put similar genres adjacent to each other (e.g., all your M0unt41n G04ts CDs next to your Bright Eyes, Dashboard Confessional and Taking Back Sunday). That way once J0hn D. gets you feeling all emo and sad, it's only a single binder page-flip to your Chris Carrabba stuff! Woo!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

god the saddoes eager to show they've heard of me are out in force tonite eh

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

lool

you! me! posting! (electricsound), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

:'(

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

eager to show they've heard of me

Seriously though -- considering I've been on ILM three years, that was hardly the point.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

dude it's all love I was just rezingin please unsad that face

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 03:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

How good a sound quality/how great a breadth would an on-demand music service have to be in order to consider doing away with having a digital collection at all?

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 23 August 2009 04:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can't really hear the difference between a well encoded mp3 and a FLAC, even though I've had the opportunity to use some pretty heavy audiophile equipment in the past...tin ears, I guess. so as long as it's 200+ kbps I'm fine, which both Amazon and iTunes do now.

what are you gonna do when iTunes moves to this rumored 'Cocktail' format?

my biggest problem with a digital collection is all the metadata. do you add the lyrics? when do you feel the need to add a composer? what if you can't find a decent scan of the album art bigger than 150x150 pixels? etc.

tony dayo (dyao), Sunday, 23 August 2009 06:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

We've got about 80gb of music on this iMac, which runs three iPods - an 80gb classic that sits on the Zeppelin, my 1gb shuffle, and Em's iPhone. It's not backed up anywhere at the moment, because we've only just migrated to this machine in the last week. We've got an external HD that'll take it all. The vast majority of it is backed up next door on a couple of thousand CDs though, and most of our listening is probably still off CDs. I've bought a few dozen songs from iTunes, mainly b-sides, odd old singles, and things that I'd not want a whole album or compilation of. I guess those are the only ones that really NEED backing up. Everything's just organised via iTunes; I'm pretty anal about covers & tags & things. I don't think we'd ever go totally digital; just yesterday I bought The XX album on CD. I love CDs too much. But then I'm 30.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 23 August 2009 07:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

for all you guys backing up to CD/DVD, be careful: Up To 10% of CD-Rs Fail Within a Few Years

tony dayo (dyao), Sunday, 23 August 2009 07:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've got pretty much my entire music collection in digital form on a 500gb hard drive (with another one as backup) for iPod purposes - however I only really buy singles digitally rather than whole albums. This is partly because I like the physical object and partly 'cos the CDs I do still buy are mostly very cheap secondhand/bargain bin ones so it's cheaper just to rip from the disc. That said, I've got rid of/have boxed up to get rid of 350+ CDs this year, basically things I've gone off. I moved earlier this year and I've got slightly less room in the new house which certainly spurred me on and I'll be honest, it feels really good paring things down (I still have loads left though!).
The main reason for me buying CDs over vinyl was portability - I've always done a large portion of my listening on the move and I had a CD walkman up until a few years back. However I've started replacing some CDs with vinyl for home listening and I intend to buy more nof my new music in vinyl form (really grateful to those labels who include a download coupon with the record). I could never see myself only having a digital collection and nothing else - I'm sure I'll hang on to lots of my remaining CDs for as long as they can be played.

Gavin in Leeds, Sunday, 23 August 2009 09:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

(really grateful to those labels who include a download coupon with the record)

Seconding this.

I think I'm at 8 or 9TB of digital files now split evenly between audio and video and I'm probably going to go to some sort of desktop RAID 5 set up once the next generation of 2+TB drives become common. I'm more concerned with having a decent file system that can handle all that and a metafile indexer/cataloger that won't collapse when I hit it with that size of data.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 23 August 2009 22:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

Even if i was goin digital, I think I would throw all my CDs in storage or somethin

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 23 August 2009 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I mean, amassing a bunch of files isn't really "collecting" anything anymore is it? It;s like saying you collect pokemon

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

For those who are on PC, Mediamonkey is the only place to go.

J4mi3 H4rl3y (Snowballing), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

"I mean, amassing a bunch of files isn't really "collecting" anything anymore is it? It;s like saying you collect pokemon"

If you have a file that isn't readily replaceable/accessible (like say something dubbed off a rare public access TV performance that only you have a VHS copy of), then it takes on more of the properties of something tangible/loseable like pokemon cards, but my thinking is that music services will increasingly make obsolete any need to keep a file or file backup at all.

For example, netflix users wouldn't bother to "collect" movies they've seen on netflix, at least not with any great frequency. (though there's supposedly some pirate group that prides itself on having backed up the entire netflix catalog)

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

i don't really consider my digital music a "collection" per se, it's just me tunes

i could (and will) quite happily be all-digital in the future. i'll probably hang on to most of my cds, boxed up and stored away, more than anything else because it's not worth the time or effort trying to sell them.

you! me! posting! (electricsound), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

my digital vs hard copy purchase ratio is about 9 to 1 at the moment. i think i've bought less than 50 cds this year.

you! me! posting! (electricsound), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

well but this is what begs the really interesting generational divide question. what is your collection? a series of hard-evidence signifiers about experiences you've had & can have again at will, tangible evidence of those experiences - or is your real collection the experiences themselves, and the physical collection something of an old-fashioned proof that will no longer be necessary in the future/present? nb I am from the previous gen so for me I gotta have some physical token to feel like I "own" something. but I don't think that's the only way to conceive of "ownership," and I suspect that different conceptions - no less valid - will replace/have replaced "our" conception. it's like: I don't save ticket stubs or collect/trade shows, but I do have a collection of live music experiences - that collection is the experiences themselves. digital collections are considerably more tangible than those, right?

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

xpost w/philip btw

Man Is Nairf! (J0hn D.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Honestly, though, I usually listen to records I love 30-40 times and then I can barely, if ever, listen to them again."

I cannot for the life of me fathom feeling this way about "records I love".

Alex in SF, Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

At age 45, my big paradigm shift was when the artwork and liner notes shrank from 12" to 5", so I find myself strangely blasé (perfectly happy, actually) about the shift from 5" disc to digital file.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Pardon my grammar. I'm 45, not my paradigm shift.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

w/r/t generational divide, I don't believe the next generation will be so alien as to maintain a digital collection against an endless buffet that makes that collection obsolete when making personal top-ten lists does all the signifying one needs (and is an activity well-enjoyed cross-generationally)

so maybe this kind of digital album collecting as if they were physical albums will be a weird hiccup peculiar to just this moment in time.

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

i can appreciate good artwork as much as the next dude but i've pretty much always listened to music the same way - compiled the best songs into whatever format i was working with at the time (tape, cdr, playlist) and listen to that, completely separate from the original artifacts. so artwork is really something i only ever looked at if i wanted to know who the producer was or something. frankly some records i appreciate more for not having the shitty artwork.

internetkonnektivität (electricsound), Sunday, 23 August 2009 23:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

i have a car and that is mostly why i buy cds

winston, Monday, 24 August 2009 04:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Honestly, though, I usually listen to records I love 30-40 times and then I can barely, if ever, listen to them again. Wilco's a ghost is born is my favorite record of the decade, and I've barely listened to it since 2005. By then, my brain's had enough of the record for a lifetime.

How old are you? I found that after about 10 years, I bought a lot of albums I previously weeded out by favorite groups. Now that I'm digitizing my collection, it's not as big a deal. I'm still keeping 60% of my CDs. I'm ripping in FLAC with dbpoweramp, correct some tagging and make playlists with Mediamonkey, and listen in three rooms with Squeezebox. I will be able to fit everything on my 6TB NAS server with room to spare, and have everything backed up twice, one on extra drives at home, another at work. It's nice to be able to have access to everything at work.

I think it's crucial to use lossless files. You can easily convert them to another format with a batch converter without losing anything. Buying CDs is still the cheapest option, because you can get deals on them new and used for under $10 each. $1 to $2 a song for FLAC is just not an option. The CDs you don't want to keep, you can sell, and end up spending only $2 to $5 on the music.

I'm listening to more of my music more often now that I can play it simultaneously in multiple rooms. Living with someone else the past couple years, I had stopped listening later at night because she goes to sleep earlier. Now I can put on some closed headphones and have access to the whole collection from bed on the Duet remote.

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i mean, one of the biggest obstacles for me re: digital is that iTunes keeps changing how it organizes things.

Like for a while it was just artist/song/album and then with a recent update you can put files in one pile while labeling it another with "sort by." Also my iphone used to recognize "sort by" so I'd sort all my compilations by "#" so the errant comp tracks just show up at the end. The new iPhone update no longer recognizes "sort by" and my iphone tracks are now a shitty jumble again.

Who knows what iTunes will change to? Or even if we'll be using itunes in 10 years?

patti lmaonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

where we're going, we don't need iTunes

tony dayo (dyao), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

iTunes is just a ID3 tag editor isn't it (at least for mp3 files) and it's such an 800 pound gorilla that I'm sure whatever player we'll be using in the future, Mp3-O-Matic 5000 or whatever, will definitely be "iTunes compatible"

the Album Artist field is such a life saver w/r/t rap albums...and Sort By is great for those who catalog by last name, among others

tony dayo (dyao), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

but completely useless for people that use iphones

patti lmaonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

Does the Hiby take a single micro sd or does it have dual slots like some of the fiio players?

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 December 2018 04:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Apple wants you to use their cloud storage and pay them a monthly fee, not your own hard drives. iPods are dead and not coming back.

skip, Friday, 14 December 2018 07:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Well there’s a 512 GB iPhone.

Siegbran, Friday, 14 December 2018 07:53 (four months ago) Permalink

don't mind DAPs... the Hiby R3 is cheap, responsive, compact and very user friendly (and sounds great for the price). No need to buy and gut old ipods anymore.

Googled this and it’s a touchscreen device with wireless & bluetooth, so if you want a portable player with physical controls that doesn’t waste battery doing anything other than playing music, it’s definitely not a substitute for an iPod.

sans lep (sic), Friday, 14 December 2018 10:32 (four months ago) Permalink

ipod classics are rockboxable. sansa clip plus and clip zip too and you can slot a 256gb microsd in them

chihuahuau, Friday, 14 December 2018 14:01 (four months ago) Permalink

Hiby R3 has a micro SD slot, got a 128GB card in mine, they say it'll take up to 2TB...not that those exist yet

Wandering Boy Poet, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:10 (four months ago) Permalink

It also has some physical controls. One rocker button alters volume, the other deals with fast-forward/back, stop/pause, moving between songs

Wandering Boy Poet, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:13 (four months ago) Permalink

does it have an airplane mode to shut off the wifi / bluetooth? (i'm assuming the screen turns off when not being used, like a phone)

it actually looks a lot like my previous phone, which also has sd slot and (removeable) battery and isn't that much bigger. i wonder how well that would work...

koogs, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:59 (four months ago) Permalink

The wi-fi & Bluetooth isn't continually on (unless you want it to be). There's a 'Wireless settings' screen with 4 sliders to turn wireless, Bluetooth, DLNA & AirPlay on/off.

Wandering Boy Poet, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:09 (four months ago) Permalink

ipod classics are rockboxable. sansa clip plus and clip zip too and you can slot a 256gb microsd in them

― chihuahuau, Friday, December 14, 2018 9:01 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sansa clip w/rockbox can also take a 400GB microsd as I can now confirm.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:10 (four months ago) Permalink

Had a Clip Zip before the R3, still got it in fact. Not sure how easy they are to find now, got replaced by the Sport & some other model, which people don't seem to like as much (not sure if the new ones are Rockboxable)

Wandering Boy Poet, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:19 (four months ago) Permalink

Sport and whatever they call the one after that are not rockboxable and never will be because of the kind of chip they use. IIRC the type of chip the Zip and Plus used is no longer made by anyone. I have a Sport and it is pretty terrible. Longer battery life though, I'll grant it that.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:23 (four months ago) Permalink

clip Zip is currently my everyday player, i hear more music on that than anything else.

the Sport uses a different chip (xp) and they didn't have a rockbox build for it the last time i locked. the other one (Jam) does away with the colour screen and just has a tiny bw screen instead. did toy with buying a new one and rockboxing the Zip but i haven't yet.

the 16GB sd card i had in my Zip would take 10 minutes to index if you added anything to it. not ideal. but the 24GB total was enough for everything i've bought since 2011 so it's handy.

koogs, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:28 (four months ago) Permalink

just looked up the Sport, it's the only mp3 player I've hung onto.. and it's still for sale! Good battery life beats having Rockbox for me. What do you find so bad about the interface? I may be in for trouble with navigating when I put an SD card in there, which this thread has me thinking to do. Though I keep a bunch of mp3s on my phone, my usage of it always gravitates towards Spotify/newness.

maffew12, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:46 (four months ago) Permalink

I just bought this Sony NW-A45/B Walkman (and a 200GB micro SD card to go with it) to replace my dying 160GB iPod classic.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0765ZVM6Y/

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:50 (four months ago) Permalink

^^^I am using an NWZ-A17 with my new 400gb card in it (had been using it with a 200gb for a couple of years before that). It's great. Nothing has beaten the iPod classic but this comes in second for sure. Great SQ, really long battery life, solid build. I have it on a lanyard which makes me look like a total fucking moron.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:58 (four months ago) Permalink

> sansa clip w/rockbox can also take a 400GB microsd as I can now confirm.

yes, the limits come from the fat32 filesystem, not the hardware nor rockbox. up to 2tb you're good to go

chihuahuau, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:05 (four months ago) Permalink

there aren't even hints of a 1TB yet are there?

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:06 (four months ago) Permalink

that Sony blurb is heading into snakeoil territory 8)

"New solder maximizes clarity

High-quality, lead-free solder creates a more efficient electronic connection between components, including the S-Master HX amp. Enjoy purer audio playback with enhanced vocal clarity, every time you press play.

New circuit board for pure, solid bass

The circuit board has been optimized to improve electricity flow, making the power supply stable. That means you experience clearer sound and pure, solid bass in your music."

also, no ogg support = a deal killer for me

koogs, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:33 (four months ago) Permalink

Oh, you're the guy who listens to ogg.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:34 (four months ago) Permalink

i'm the guy old enough to remember the mp3 patent mess, yes. linux laptop with oggenc installed by default (and better quality for given bitrate) and a portable player that supported the same, it wasn't a hard decision and now everything i own is ripped as flac and ogg 8)

koogs, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:44 (four months ago) Permalink

I favor 256kbps AACs myself.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:49 (four months ago) Permalink

lame

maffew12, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:50 (four months ago) Permalink

it perturbs me that lame went from version 3.99 to 3.100

mookieproof, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:59 (four months ago) Permalink

8)

(lame wasn't always an option, certainly i remember having to compile it from source)

i was going to say that the clip zip lacked support for aac but apparently it's ok. it does have trouble with m4a files from iplayer so i generally transcode them, but if aac is supported and i can just change the container format then that would be better (and faster and smaller). will try tonight.

again, decent, available aac encoders were hen's-teeth rare (for linux) when i started doing this. oggenc was just there.

koogs, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:01 (four months ago) Permalink

I hear ya koogs. I'm a Linux guy myself and was on the OGG train for a while. Now only hearing it from Spotify though.

I've read that the Clip Sport has a strange 2,000 file limit. Rockbox would've been nice after all. Oh well, I'll experiment with this limitation. I don't think I have that much use for an mp3 player in my life really.

Sony used to make some real nice little mid-market players, before going either real cheap or this extreme HiFi stuff. I remember they forced you into using "Sonicstage" though, which was just the worst. anyhow. thanks!

maffew12, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:07 (four months ago) Permalink

The Sony nwz I have was not ridiculously expensive - around 270 iirc. iPod Classic-ish.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:28 (four months ago) Permalink

just found out that my automatic monthly archiving process has not been picking up 30% of my digital archive.
I think/hope it was due to folder permissions.
so have changed them, and kicked off a new archive process.
by the end of this weekend, I may be glad to still have my cds.

mark e, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:47 (four months ago) Permalink

the "ffmpeg -i file.m4a -acodec copy file.aac" didn't work - the zip doesn't even seem to see the file. but at least it doesn't choke on it and require a reset like some other files do. i'll try it again with a music file rather than speech but 8(

koogs, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:55 (four months ago) Permalink

The big problem with clip sport and clip jam is that in folder view they show you the folders or files IN THE ORDER THEY WERE PUT INTO THE DIRECTORY rather than in alphanumerical order. Which at the folder level is maybe kind of useful if you want to see what you most recently loaded into your player today but at the file level is a nightmare.

There is a nice little free utility in windows called DriveSort that can fix this, but you do have to run it on your micro sd card every time you change its contents. But, there is nothing on OSX that can fix this.

(The fiio M3 also has this trait and that’s where I first encountered it)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:08 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm still just using my iPhone as a portable music player, I like just having one device to carry around... but newer models have no headphone jack, and I've gotta say the music app interface just gets worse and worse. Using it in the car makes me think Apple purposely designed it to cause car accidents, it takes so much fiddling to do anything.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:14 (four months ago) Permalink

koogs, file.aac is just the raw stream, i think. it'd be more likely to work with .m4a or .mp4 than .aac

maybe you have a he-aac file and the zip only decodes aac-lc?

anyway, if you have a zip you should just rockbox it, it supports both aac codecs

chihuahuau, Friday, 14 December 2018 21:42 (four months ago) Permalink

Shanling M0 is the new tiny cheap MP3 player of the moment.
Amazon link

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 14 December 2018 21:44 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, most of the discussion on what rivals the R3 centres on the M0

Wandering Boy Poet, Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:57 (four months ago) Permalink

...although the link you gave is just for a case, the M0 isn't *that* cheap

Wandering Boy Poet, Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:58 (four months ago) Permalink

?? It goes to the Amazon listing, it's $109 and includes aptx, LDAC, Bluetooth, hi-res support, functions as a DAC and a microSD card slot. About as small as a Nano, too. Makes me think twice about using my phone for music.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 15 December 2018 04:24 (four months ago) Permalink

using Dopamine on windows, lovely bit of software that fits in with the UI.

http://www.digimezzo.com/software/dopamine/

meaulnes, Saturday, 15 December 2018 11:11 (four months ago) Permalink

Apple’s pushing their CarPlay thing.

I’m now using an app called Mega Play in the car, which has huge controls.

Siegbran, Saturday, 15 December 2018 11:35 (four months ago) Permalink

My phone takes a 256GB SD card. They aren't cheap, but it's worth it.

Duke, Saturday, 15 December 2018 11:53 (four months ago) Permalink

using Dopamine on windows, lovely bit of software that fits in with the UI.

http://www.digimezzo.com/software/dopamine/

― meaulnes, Saturday, 15 December 2018 11:11 (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

THANK YOU. Loving how I can manipulate the various bits of functionality. The minimalist now playing view + lyrics is lush - a perfect background and it is Handling my 1.5 TB collection with no issues.

Probably still continue tagging in iTunes but it's hard to break 12 year habits.

Your dad's Carlos Boozer and you keep him alive (fionnland), Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:11 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I just bought this Sony NW-A45/B Walkman (and a 200GB micro SD card to go with it) to replace my dying 160GB iPod classic.

― grawlix (unperson), Friday, December 14, 2018 11:50 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

May I ask what software you use to organize your music? I still use my Ipod 160gb classic, but I know it's on its last legs. I'm intrigued with this player, but I'm dreading trying to switch my decade-long curated itunes playlists over to a new software platform.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:14 (two months ago) Permalink

May I ask what software you use to organize your music?

I...don't. When I was using my iPod, I used iTunes, obviously. But the software Sony recommends you use with this Walkman - Content Transfer - doesn't work on my MacBook Pro. So I just import albums onto the microSD card, and I no longer listen to playlists, just albums. Sorry - wish I could be of more help.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:20 (two months ago) Permalink

it does keep an onboard database which refreshes each time you update the contents of the card. I listen like unperson though, just playin' folders, so I haven't really used the DB much. But I would think if your files were all tagged using MP3Tag or whatever, the Sony would be able to show them to you that way.

Also, you can make on the fly playlists from folder view using the Bookmark feature.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Just got my first 12TB drive the other day, upgrading from a 6 TB -- thank you, continually dropping prices over time. Taking advantage of the extra space to rerip a lot of stuff from 320 to lossless at last.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:19 (two months ago) Permalink

Hard drives keep getting bigger and faster. Same project I started about 5 years back is still going. I have got my digital collection up to about 2TB of wav file rips. It is probably about 4000 albums or so. I still have lots to rip.

earlnash, Thursday, 24 January 2019 03:22 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/10/macos-10-15-itunes-standalone-apps/

"...it’s natural to keep iTunes around a little longer."

Gosh, thanks.

lukas, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:16 (one week ago) Permalink

I mean that not in a "fuck iTunes" way, more in a "fuck figuring out how to migrate all my iTunes playlists and metadata to some scary new alternative"

lukas, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:17 (one week ago) Permalink

^ I really just need to make the plunge into using MediaMonkey's software for my ipod.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 11 April 2019 22:44 (one week ago) Permalink

I think Apple keeping the hard drives so f-ing tiny on their laptops and crazy expensive to expand is trying to force their users to use the streaming services and not have all their files on the same box.

earlnash, Thursday, 11 April 2019 22:49 (one week ago) Permalink

£1.59/month for 100GB on google drive
upload ~200 carefully curated FLAC albums and a few mp3s otherwise
sync to PC
stream on phone
backup on HDD
maybe even backup to microSD since they're so big now

meaulnes, Friday, 12 April 2019 01:25 (one week ago) Permalink


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