This thread is for that wanker Dave Q to talk about things he actually likes

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I mean, do you practice being an unpleasant, poisonous cunt or does it just come naturally to you?

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey, if you check out the 10,000 Journey and Rush threads you 'll find nothing but LUV!!!

dave q, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

he likes music and he loves ilm

mark s, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

what is this bizarre idea that dave q is somehow a troll, or offensive? i mean, i just don't see it. he's always talking about things he likes as well, as far as i can see

gareth, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i mean, i have yet to see dave q call anyone a wanker, for example

gareth, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

But does he like humanity?

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

he's not a troll on ilm, he's a troll in REAL LIFE haha

so of course he doesn't like ppl

mark s, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

what is this bizarre idea that dave q is somehow a troll, or offensive?
So you consider his opinion on Northern Soul... what exactly? Fair enough if you don't like something, but to *piss* on something that others (might) like, is cruel.

nath @ work, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

wasn't that just a bit of devils advocacy? and was it any worse than, for example, big beat or trance has received from other posters? or the clash? i read the northern soul thread, i thought it was very interesting, a lot of posters took exception to what dave said, i got the impression there was something i missed, because i really didn't see the problem (and i am quite (too?) sensitive to people just being offensive/abusive). to me, that thread was the same as if he had said "ravers-glow sticks-all on drugs-council estate prole escapism- hardcore you know the score-type things

BUT! i suppose on the other hand, the reason i think its ok is because its dave q. and that he responds to what you say, isn't inflexible - ie - puts an idea out that can then be addressed. if it was "new poster x" you don't have the context, and you don't know how its going to pan out. perhaps "new poster x" with a similar thread often then seems to come back with abuse the minute you disagree, and doesn't listen to anything you say. with daveq i have never seen this

gareth, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

So upsetting someone to the point of their considering suicide is just "devil's advocacy," is it, Gareth? Grow up.

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not that I'm saying he set out to do that. How was he to know that the music would mean THAT much to another poster? There was no way he could have known that. So it's an occupational hazard of taking this sort of stance, I guess; somewhere along the way you're going to really upset someone. Dave Q just likes to get an argument going and doesn't toe the line; nothing wrong with that in principle, but - oh I don't know. You end up saying nothing because you think that even breathing is going to wind someone else up. That's life, I guess.

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yet another person comes onto IL*, guns drawn, flames blazing, ranting and spouting their opinions, yet gets UPSET when someone replies in exactly the same tone that they, themselves, are using, to express *their* opinions.

I am so glad to see ILM back to normal... I think we all know which troll this is and I claim my £5!

kate, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Define "we." Define "all."

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kate, reread the post: "This thread is for that wanker Dave Q to talk about things he actually likes."

nath @ work, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

And yes, Kate, if people are going to start attacking me, then I will attack back double, triple. That's life. Get one.

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is this Calum's legendary girlfriend?

Andrew L, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

As if I would sleep with a Sleeper fan!

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't think Dave was being poisonous on the Northern Soul thread - the situation and backstory there is a volatile one as many will know (besides which Marcello is a master at the art himself, although he prefers satire to Dave's slash'n'burn approach).

Maybe what gets people annoyed about David's hatchet jobs is how well-planned and methodically brutal they are. Someone saying "trance = shit" or whatever isn't going to win any debates; Dave can actually make you doubt yourself (which is why I wish he put some effort into his anti-pop rants). Which is not to say they always work, but failing heroically can be as good as succeeding.

Tim, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

dave q = one of the best posters on ilm. aside from the reasons mentioned above, many of his "X vs Y" qs are extraordinary.

toby, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"As if I would sleep with a Sleeper fan!"

I suppose the fact that Calum isn't getting any is good news (might explain a bit too) as it decreases the likelihood that there will be any little Calums running around.

Alex in SF, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

trudat - dave q roxx!

J Blount, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't listen to the haters, Dave! You're the only ILMer to raise thread generation to the level of art form. For that, I thank you.

Mark, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

He has not to my limited knowledge mentioned the group Styx in any form or context thus cannot be categorised as "art form." Nonetheless I warm to the chap, like the flames to the corpses of anti-Castro agent provocateurs.

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

but trance does = shit

Queen fo the buscuits in the oven and the buns in G's bed, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Evidence please, said field having been researched comprehensively.

Alison Houston, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Allison Houston == Calum Robert v2.0?

Lord Custos III, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am glad that I share my first name with an honorable, intelligent, selectively misathropic chap like Mr. Q.

Daver, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Custos you really don't get us at all, do you?

Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I honestly think ILM would be worse off without Dave Q. Really.

DG, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Custos you really don't get us at all, do you?
No I don't. Enlighten me.

Lord Custos v2.3, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I dunno Custos to me it's like the diff between burlap and 300 thread- count cotton. Of course the last laugh could be on me when it is shown that Calum is a particularly subtly conceived MarkC golem, but I think probably not. To me, Marcello, no matter who he's posting as, is unmistakable in his vocabulary and intelligence, and when he gets frustrated and pissed off it's often with something outside/beyond the poster he's arguing with, though he may ally that poster with the forces he rebukes... Calum just seems kind of snottish. If it IS MarkC, he's well off his form.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hmmmm. I guess I haven't read enough of Marcellos posts to notice an individual style yet.
But maybe both our theories (oversimplified as they are) might be correct. Mark C == Marcello == Calum == Alison.

Lord Custos III, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey. Heres a sick thought. How many of you out there are actually somebody else? How are we to know that me, Tom, Ned and Momus aren't the only ones who post on this forum?

Lord Custos III, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

How are we to know that me, Tom, Ned and Momus aren't the only ones who post on this forum?
holy shit! tracer and custos have figured it out!

doom monger, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

unless tracer and custos are really the same person....

doom monger, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wouldn't you like to know....mu heh heh heh heh heh

Lord Custos III, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calum trolled briefly as DG, until one of the Moderators asked him not to. Marcello has used many pseudonyms, some obvious, some less so, some very entertaining, provocative and effective, some — as he himself has noted — less so.

Forum Moderator, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think we decided by Science that we are all just mark s's dreams and when he wakes up we disappear.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I luv Dave Q too - his questions are routinely so intelligent as to render all possible answers moot. Didn't read the Northern Soul thread, and I do think he's fond of taking a contrary position, but what the hell - it's just a bulletin board, when the heat gets to be too much you just leave the thread & get on with it

unless he wants to dis the Stockholm Monsters, in which case it's on, B

John Darnielle, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave q is cool because he spends his entire life here and so is always the first to answer any thread (well, almost). What he says is sometimes annoying but mostly sensible and interesting and causes fascinating discussions. Life would be a lot more boring without the annoying wankers, anyway. Not that I'm saying he is, necessarily.

Anna Rose, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The tradition of the oppressed teaches us that the 'state of emergency' in which we live is not the exception but the rule. We must attain to a conception of history that is in keeping with this insight. Then we shall clearly realise that it is our task to bring about a real state of emergency, and this will improve our position in the struggle against Fascism. One reason why Fascism has a chance is that in the name of progress its opponents treat it as a historical norm. The current amazement that the things we are experiencing are 'still' possible in the 21st century is not philosophical. This amazement is not the beginning of knowledge - unless it is the knowledge that the view of history which gives rise to it is untenable.

Wally Klemmer, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

For my money Alison H and Dave Q are both very tedious. Anyone could do what they do - slag off a type of music, take the piss out of easy targets. They both read like bad copies of Tanya Headon, who at least is funny.

I mean, all they've got to offer is, Northern Soul is shit, jazz funk is shit, Oasis is shit, football is shit - so what? Big deal. Earth revolves around Sun shock. Tell us something we don't already know. Why don't they try attacking some targets worth attacking? Or does it just make their dull lives more bearable?

This is all very boring. Tell us some jokes, guys.

Brad Morgan, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK here's one - "Brad Morgan"

dave q, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

And here's another one: "Dave Q."

Ha ha he he ho ho.

See? It's easy to do what you do; anyone could do it, it doesn't take any skill or effort.

Or is it you haven't anything else to offer?

Brad Morgan, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean, all they've got to offer is, Northern Soul is shit, jazz funk is shit, Oasis is shit, football is shit - so what? Big deal. Earth revolves around Sun shock. Tell us something we don't already know.
Okay, how about "you're full of shit"? I could do a witty retort, but I decided to remain on your level.

nathalie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I ain't setting myself up as a comedian or tubthumper. I don't claim to have any great gifts. I'm just saying that for the rest of us who read this board, what these two write is uninteresting, unamusing and unoriginal.

Let's see them have a go at Islam or Israel if they've got any real balls.

Brad Morgan, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps I should clarify my own feelings on what should be done. I certainly do not call for indiscriminate attacks on posters. I see a long term effort to identify the whereabouts of those individuals who target us; followed up by whatever level of force is required to get them and to overcome any resistance to our taking them. I do not see any reason to attempt to seize and hold any ground for more than the time it takes to get those whom we have targetted. The Ask a Drunkers tried to hold ground; that is not within our purpose.

I also don't think push button warfare is the way to go other than as backup. It is too easy to make a mistake that will not be discovered until far too late. Ground forces will know if they are getting return fire and they will know if they have found their objective.

I think we need a real air cavalry, able to strike a pinpoint target in the middle of the Glasshouse Stores with sudden and overwhelming force. And whose members are fully aware of the possibility of taking massive casualties as well as giving them.

If certain safe harbours of these people try to protect them, those governments should be made to suffer, not the general civilian populace if we can help it.

I have nothing against Dave Q or Alison Houston. I have some sympathy for those who have suffered wrongs. But it is too late now. There will be more attacks on us, and I'm afraid it is not all that long before they go nuclear. That, above all, is something we should be prepared to pre-emptively strike at, any time, any where. I am much afraid that we can only delay the inevitable. There is insanity in the world, and the larger our total population grows, the larger the absolute numbers of the murderously insane becomes.

We will delay the inevitable as long as possible, but I fear that the day of the urban area ended this week. People will have to disperse infrastructure so that there are no real targets with the high kill factor that now exists. No matter what we do, there are those who will commit these acts. In the world we now live in, what others will do to us has to a great extent become divorced of our actions. If we ignore them, they will kill us. If we are nice to them, they will take our gifts and then they will kill us. If we attack we can perhaps hold the gates awhile longer while they kill some of us. Otherwise we must abandon our cities, disperse our populations, and build a distributed infrastructure, dying in our thousands and tens of thousands all the while.

I do not like the implications of the world that began on Monday 1st July 2002; but I also can not ignore them and cannot turn the clock back. Dave Q and Alison Houston have birthed something new and terrible into the world and there is no way it can be shoved back into the bottle now that it has been loosed upon us.

The barbarians really are at the gates now.

Brad Morgan, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Being lectured about 'balls' by somebody named 'BRAD MORGAN'!

dave q, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

More than anything else, I think I'll remember a scene that played out in the center ofthe field immediately after the game. As the rest of the players rushed toward their fans on the sideline, one player- goalkeeper Brad Morgan, sought out his coach, Mike Beshiri, who was standing in the center of the field, probably waiting for a congratulatory handshake from the opposing coach. I couldn't help but notice that the handshake never came - butsomething much better did. A hug from a player for a man who is more than a coach to so many of his players. Brad Morgan and Mike Beshiri embraced - coach and athlete -at midfield, celebrating a state championship. I don't think they were alone, either. There will be other seasons and other teams. There may even be other championships, but I'd be willing to bet that there will never be another 10-2 score in a State Championship Game.

ILM Sports Reporter, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are many problems with Brad Morgan's arguments. The one that's the most blatant, and the one that I will limit my discussion to, is related to his overt support of Pyrrhonism. If you disagree with my claim that the majority of grotty bourgeoisie probably agree that cannibalism is the driving force behind Brad's perceptions, then read no further. Like much conventional wisdom, his tactics contain too much convention and not enough wisdom, right? Right. His bons mots are a load of bunk. I use this delightfully pejorative term, "bunk" -- an alternative from the same page of my criminal-slang lexicon would serve just as well -- because whenever anyone states the obvious -- that he turns his back on those who have been the most loyal to him -- discussion naturally progresses towards the question, "What exactly is the principle that rationalizes his noxious utterances?" Here's the answer, albeit in a somewhat circuitous and roundabout style: He is like a stray pigeon. Pigeons are too self-absorbed to care about anyone else. They poo on people they don't like; they poo on people they don't even know. The only real difference between Brad and a pigeon is that Brad intends to make widespread accusations and insinuations without having the facts to back them up. That's why I was truly appalled when I first learned that his associates want to call for ritualistic invocations of needlessly formal rules. But that's not all: He asserts that the ideas of "freedom" and "anarchism" are Siamese twins. That assertion is not only untrue, but a conscious lie. Although it's easy to sit in the press box and criticize, the space remaining in this letter will not suffice even to enumerate the ways in which Brad has tried to drag men out of their beds in the dead of night and castrate them.

If the mass news media were actually in the business of covering news rather than molding public attitudes to win support by encapsulating frustrations and directing them toward unpopular scapegoats, they would indeed report that his hypocrisy is transparent. Even the least discerning among us can see right through it. It may be soothing and pleasant for Brad to think that arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming, but only the impartial and unimpassioned mind will even consider that his argument that he can ignore rules, laws, and protocol without repercussion is hopelessly flawed and completely circuitous. From secret-handshake societies meeting at "the usual place" to back-door admissions committees, his expositors have always found a way to legitimize the fear and hatred of the privileged for the oppressed. An armed revolt against Brad is morally justified. However, I claim that it is not yet strategically justified.

His assistants believe that freedom must be abolished in order for people to be more secure and comfortable. Although it is perhaps impossible to change the perspective of those who have such beliefs, I wish nevertheless to work together towards a shared vision. Considering that Brad's attendants are the unbalanced common criminals of the modern age, I find it almost laughable how he remains oblivious to the fact that if he gets his way, I might very well suffer from stress, frustration, and defeat. Brad will damage the debate about this issue, because we will have to spend lots of time correcting misunderstandings that are directly attributable to his commentaries. In order to convince us that the most putrid deadheads you'll ever see have dramatically lower incidences of cancer, heart attacks, heart disease, and many other illnesses than the rest of us, Brad often turns to the old propagandist trick of comparing results brought about by entirely dissimilar causes. On a closing note, I hope that this letter, while incomplete, informal, and having no authority except its own inner strength and conviction, has clearly demonstrated to you that I hate it when yawping curmudgeons like Brad Morgan go on with such vigor about subjects they don't even know about.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is fucking stupid and is Brad Morgan just "Alison" anyway looking to salvage some kind of high moral ground.

Anything I've seen posted under the name "Alison Houston" has been totally boring and a complete pain in the arse.

Ronan, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Especially with a name like "Brad Morgan"!!!

dave q, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is just CRAZY! I can't believe you guys are talking about ludencris things like Dave Q's balls! Don't you think this is dirty? Brad Morgan is a horny proverb!

brian fellows, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ronan Fitzgerald confused Jazz historians for years by lying about almost everything, but never the less he was an early Jazz pioneer who apparently played in bands led by Dec McCluskey. He definitely played in Kathleen Raine's Eagle Band, The Casement Orchestra, and with Gay Byrne. He left New Orleans in 1915 and played in minstrel shows, theatre orchestras and circus bands, and with the Black Velvet Band. While playing with the Boomtown Fureys in 1930 the band's other trumpet player Bob Geldof was stabbed to death on the bandstand. A fight broke out and Ronan's instrument was damaged. After this incident Ronan continued to play a from time to time, using a borrowed trumpet, but his heart was not in it any longer. His teeth were also starting to give him troubles and in 1931 he had pretty much retired from music. He worked as a truck driver, laborer, and as a Pitchfork-funded children's music teacher. In 1938 Mark Sinker and Ben Watson started to write their book, "Electronica." After interviewing several Jazz musicians, including Nik Kershaw, Ronan's name kept coming up as one of the early influential jazz musicians in Raglan Road. They managed to track Ronan down in New Cross, London, where he was living, and interviewed him for the book. Ronan lied about a great many things, including his birth date, so that it would look like he had been one of the first Jazz musicians. It took years until other historians figured out that Ronan was shall we say, "full of ronan." Despite all that, Ronan's colorful stories contributed to the success of the book, and the authors took up a collection among musicians and record collectors to fix Ronan's teeth and buy him a new horn. He made his first postings in 2001, and became a popular fixture of the Glasshouse Stores Dixieland revival of the 1940s.

Brad Morgan, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's a complete lie, Brad. Ronan's actual past is no secret to us.

Foundation for the Propagation of Irish Rock'n'Roll Beat Music, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

so have alison & dave hooked up yet, i haven't been on ILX much the last few days.

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

C'mon, c'mon

Say what, say what

Yo, yo, yo, there she goes

Go girl with your fine ass

You keep asking for my time (that's right)

You keep telling me that I'm fine

Give me your number

I won't call (you won't what)

Give me your pager too

Not at all will I call, not at all

I know that you want a piece of my ass (ass)

Don't you know that a guy like you wouldn't last? (last)

Not a player, don't get played (don't get played)

I'll leave you hangin' (I'll leave you hangin' for days) for days

Don't send me flowers

They won't do (oh-oh)

Don't give me diamond rings

'Cos I'll take them and call you a fool

Come on, why you do me like that (call you a fool)

Can't you see that a brother feel that, uh (call you a fool)

Come on, why you do me like that?

Cant you see that a brother all that

Why's this fool all up in my ass? (classy for your ass)

Doesn't he know I want class not trash (ooh-ooh)

Why's this fool all up in my ass? (ooh)

Doesn't he know that I got my own cash?

I know that you want a piece of my ass (ass)

(I know you want a piece of my ass)

Don't you know that a guy like you wouldn't last?

(no, no,no, last, no-no)

Look, don't touch, you're askin' much

(Na, na, baby) Why's this fool all up in my ass?

(Na, na, baby) I want class not trash

(Na, na, baby) Why's this fool all up in my ass?

Doesn't he know that I got my own cash?

Na na baby, ah, ah, ah

Na na baby, ah, ah, ah

Na na baby

You want what you cannot have

I know that you want a piece of my ass (ass)

(C'mon) Don't you know that a guy like you

Wouldn't last? (last)

Look, don't touch, you're askin' much

I know that you want a piece of my ass (ass)

(C'mon) I'm all hooked up, you're out of luck

Don't you know that a guy like you wouldn't last? (last)

(C'mon) Look, don't touch, you're askin' much

I know that you want a piece of my ass

(I know you want a piece of my ass)

I'm all hooked up, you're out of luck (out of luck)

Don't you know that a guy like you wouldn't last (no, no)

Look don't touch, you're askin much (much, much, much)

Brad Morgan, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like Q. He makes me laugh. Q - long may you Q.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've always wondered...is he named after the magazine? And if so, does that mean there a dave NME and a dave Muzik floating out there in cyberspace?

Lord Custos III, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave Radio Times isn't quite as anarchic.

DG, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've wondered about what the Q stands for, I decided it stands for Quigley...Dave Quigley. Sorry, this has nothing to do with anything! I would certainly notice if Dave Q wasn't around, and he posted to my Alice Copper thread.

jel --, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Q is mysterious and unknowable.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know what it stands for, all right. I have it in his own handwriting.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

nineteen years pass...

the q stands for "qanon shaman"

unknown or illegal user (doo rag), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 05:17 (two years ago) link


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