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Mark G, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

what the fuck?

Evil Eau (dog latin), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link

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Mark G, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link

d'oh

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link

wow i'm trippin'

scott seward, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link

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lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

WHOA

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Up to maybe 2000 (around the time I started edited at the Voice), I painstakingly kept hard copies of everything I wrote, and filed them according to years (and often according to publication, if there were enough in one year to justify an individual file folder.) I've still got all those -- they take up one drawer of a file cabinet -- though as I pull old articles out for reference, they more and more just wind up back in a increasingly expanding "to be filed" folder of stuff that will probably never be re-filed. Starting in 2000, though -- maybe because I was writing less when I started editing, but also because I figured it was mostly all on the Internet anyway, and because at the Voice I was surrounded by hard copies that I could get to if I needed to -- I stopped making a point of keeping copies of most of what I wrote. Meanwhile, publications more and more stopped sending out comp copies of issues to writers (giving free subscriptions, whatever), and I am too cheap to pay for subscriptions myself or (99 times out of 100) buy issues at a newsstand. So, even since returning to freelancing. I have copies of almost nothing I wrote for, say, Spin or Blender or Rolling Stone, unless a copy of an issue just fell into my lap somehow. (For longer Voice pieces, a few of which I did per year for Harvilla, he sent copies of the issues when I asked, which was great of him, so I do have most of those.) So anyway...what was the question again? (I guess I don't see the point of scanning if you already have hard copies of the articles in question in your hand, especially if the article is findable on line already, but maybe I misunderstood that part. My wife, who does have a scanner, did scan some old articles for me when I was putting together my anthology book.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

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lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link

oh what, it didn't work that time?!

lex pretend, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link

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livin' la vida Moka! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link

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livin' la vida Moka! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

What the hell? I'm confused.

xp But also, with the miniature kind of haiku-reviews most publications assign these days, keeping hard copies seems kind of pointless to me anyway, just not worth the trouble. Those longer Voice pieces, obviously, were an exception to that.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link

whatever it was it got taken out, sigh thats' what i get for trying to plug my shit lol

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link

nas

markers, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

still, http://i54.tinypic.com/11l4yvn.gif anyway.

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I do own a scanner

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link

wtf

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

OK AARGH.

Got a rather attractive commission at the end of Aug, both in terms of "a new place I want to write for" and "a subject i want to write about".

It hasn't happened yet partly because of technological issues on the editor's side (didn't see my reply accepting it for 2 weeks) then because I've been covering the UK party conferences for 3 weeks with no spare time at all. And now I have a US press trip from Mon-Thu next week so that's out as well, because the piece would involve research and ringing round UK organisations for quotes - I'd basically have to get those by the end of the working day today, which is in three hours. Plus, I'm not 100% sure of the line of argument of the commission, I don't think it quite works.

So I already know that I'm going to say I can't meet a deadline of next Thu which is really unfortunate. What I want to know is, from an editorial perspective, does this make me look really flaky? Because this will be the second time I've had to email back asking for the piece to be pushed back. And I keep thinking, y'know, don't news journalists get features complete with quotes turned round in less than an afternoon? I think I could cobble something together quote easily today but it just wouldn't be as strong as it should be.

tl;dr I could've done with some of this work coming to me when I was having a fallow period with nothing to do earlier in the year rather than when I have LITERALLY NO SPARE TIME and had been looking forward to some actual sleep :(

lex pretend, Friday, 7 October 2011 12:39 (twelve years ago) link

When was the commission agreed on both sides? That's the crucial thing. If you both knew you were doing the piece even two weeks ago, then saying now you can't do it for next week isn't going to look madly impressive. Sorry.

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:02 (twelve years ago) link

I agreed at the end of Aug, was only given deadline/wordcount/full commission mid-Sep, at which point I said that I couldn't do it then b/c of the conferences and could we hold off a few weeks. I guess it's the sudden US trip throwing a spanner in the works now, which is a bit #firstworldproblems really. Agh this is literally the only 4-week period in the whole year when I'm away so much. I'll think of this in two months when I haven't left the house in a week and work has dried up.

lex pretend, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry Lex, it looks bad if you knew about this mid-Sep and didn't start making calls in and around the conference commitments. If the full commission had only come in today you'd be well within your rights to say you couldn't do it until the end of next week.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:21 (twelve years ago) link

yup, there is no "in and around conference commitments" during this period, which is why I don't typically take on work this big during it and had a bad feeling the minute she got back to me just before it started. HATE that freelancing thing of not knowing when to say no.

though weirdly it looks like it might be able to happen thanks to people actually coming through!

lex pretend, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

Have just emailed you Lex.

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link

xp Fantastic news. Good luck.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

Hello again, this thread.

I'm in a bit of a rut at the moment. My much of my spare time in 2011 was spent honing my writing skills, but even then I was conscious that I was only able to put out a piece maybe once every 6 weeks due to other commitments. Despite wishing to break out and maybe pitch a few more publications (with a mind to hopefully doing a bit of paid work), 2012's going really slowly - 1 review (published), an interview (submitted, awaiting feedback) and an opinion piece (in desperate need of a redraft) so far and it's already April. I have a house move soon, I'm still putting on live shows which takes up a bit of time too, and of course my day-to-day bits like doing the washing-up and stuff. Work is breathing down my neck, so I've had to cut down on surfing at work (so now I feel very out of the loop compared to last year).

I guess my question is to those who write part-time: Do you have any tips on making the most of your time when it comes to writing? How do you balance your writing life with your day job? I hope I'm not the only one who struggles with this, particularly when my daytime is spent slaving over a hot computer monitor as it is, let alone having to spend the nights doing it.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Monday, 16 April 2012 12:41 (twelve years ago) link

It's not exactly stunning advice but i find it useful to get up early at the weekend, cut myself off from distractions and just write. Even if you don't think you're getting anything usable out of it, there may be the germ of a good idea you can go back to later. It's really easy to think 'i'll write when i feel inspired' but that makes it easy to just put off. A certain amount of scheduled graft is necessary sometimes.

Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link

I feel inspired by deadlines, mostly.

When the deadlines fall during the week I find waking up early before work more effective than trying to write at night, when mostly I just want to drink myself into a stupor.

I think another thing is to recognise that you can "feel inspired" all the time. Basically all of my music listening involves a stream of thought bubbles, ways of framing the music's charms or shortfalls and making connections with other things - if you can train yourself to record those as they arrive then by the time you sit down to "write the article" the work's half done.

Tim F, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link

I feel inspired by deadlines, mostly.

hahaha yes totally. ditto on recording stray thoughts too.

iirc when i worked full-time i did most of my writing at the weekend (which i...still do, actually). i occasionally do editing shifts and maybe i've just got too used to the freelance life but in those office-based weeks i'm astounded that anyone can cope with a proper job at all - i worked for four days last week and felt like i had ME by the end of it, just utter exhaustion.

but the thing is if you have to do it then you just do it and it's remarkable what you actually can do. after much wrangling re: date, my big cher lloyd interview last year happened to land during a week i was working in kensington. i had to do the interview in my lunch break, then go back to work and finish editing a section, then file by the following morning. i stayed in the office til 8.30pm transcribing, home by 9.30pm, stayed up til 5am writing, filed, back in the office by 10am and i didn't die or fuck up in any way. anything is possible!

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:37 (twelve years ago) link

has anyone else felt that after a certain point they have no more words left to say about instrumental dance music? these days i genuinely find it easier to write 8000 words about nicki minaj than to somehow extract 50 words of interest from some cosmic disco album.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

xpost what surprises me most is the fact that I don't think the writing quality really suffers as a result of that kind of "forcing", at least not if you've allowed enough time for the ideas to germinate and/or know the topic.

Tim F, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link

haha nicki might be an unfair example!

Tim F, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

I guess my question is to those who write part-time: Do you have any tips on making the most of your time when it comes to writing? How do you balance your writing life with your day job? I hope I'm not the only one who struggles with this, particularly when my daytime is spent slaving over a hot computer monitor as it is, let alone having to spend the nights doing it.

I'll work on bits at my job if I have enough time. Deadlines work by giving me more time: if I have a review due, say, on a Friday, I'll start the first draft by Monday or Tuesday so that I can have something to revise early Thursday night.

But that's just the way I do things. I've never stayed up all night writing anything.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

actually, I'd be curious to know how many of you besides lex write until dawn or whatever

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

I've never stayed up all night writing anything.

^^^^

In any context. I think the latest would be 2.30am or so and that was law exam study, or (very occasionally) for work.

Tim F, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think the writing quality really suffers as a result of that kind of "forcing"

haha i was going over which pieces from last year i was most proud of and was looking at them in facebook for some reason and had to go o_0 as i realised the situations i'd written them in (sitting in a hospital waiting room with a fucked-up ankle, unable to walk and waiting to be treated; coming down with a huge fever; aforementioned abandonment of the concept of sleep for cher lloyd)

haha nicki might be an unfair example!

ha yeah but still. i was trying to write about a new cosmic disco release recently and just ended up thinking, i have literally nothing to say about this apart from "i like it, it works"

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link

until fairly recently literally EVERYTHING i'd ever written - university essays, published journalism - was done between 4-6am, the morning of the deadline. i really try to avoid that nowadays b/c lack of sleep fucks me up worse than any amount of anything else but time management has never been a forte :(

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think I've ever cared about anything enough to live like that! It'd kill me.

Tim F, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

Exactly. Plus, denying myself sleep would affect the writing.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

it's not so much caring about it as panicking about the deadline that's RIGHT THERE

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

i can honestly say there is no qualitative difference between the writing i file after staying up all night vs the writing i do at sensible daytime hours - in fact the former might be a bit better, and if my body clock wasn't so goddamn inflexible these days i'd still happily work like that

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 16 April 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

When I used to do concert reviews for the local daily paper and had to review weekday shows and get the reviews in by the next morning, I was up late writing, would try to get 4 hours or more of sleep, then I would review my own writing and edit it and then head to my dayjob and drink a lot of coffee. With a dayjob, parenting and writing it's hard for me to get some pieces written no matter how organized one is (and I'm not the most organized).

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

actually, I'd be curious to know how many of you besides lex write until dawn or whatever

I used to, until i moved in with my gf... certain sections of my last couple of books were done in overnight shifts, but it happens rarely now, and I think my writing's better for it.

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Monday, 16 April 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

This subject came up recently at home! Namely, my sweetie was forthright about saying how working later -- not till dawn or anything, more midnight -- was really not helpful. That might not seem like much except I get up for work each morning at 5:30, so. With that in mind I'm aiming to work no later than ten if I must.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

This year I've had 5:30 wakeup calls every morning so I sympathize.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 April 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

dayjob, downtime, exercise, dinner, boring cleaning up stuff, and writing, getting up early, reading ilx...Where does all the time go?

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link


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