Scorpions: Classic Or Dud?

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I just discovered that I like every song on Best Of Rockers 'N' Ballads.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Whoa, you've found something I don't like...just instinctively run away from. Dud, but I really tried.

Matt Riedl (veal), Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic, especially for the performance of "Winds of Change" at the Moscow Festival, a performance which, according to all descriptions I've heard (mainly people from East Germany), was so moving as to defy description.

Also classic because of a drag queen I once heard boasting of her conquests on a Los Angeles RTD bus, verbatim: "You like the Scorpions? You know the singer? I had intercourse with him."

John Darnielle, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

first album! first album!

your null fame, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Back in the Uli days (search 'Virgin Killer'!!!!) they had songs like "Suspender Love", "He's a Woman, She's a Man" and a b-side called "Rubber Fucker". Germans, eh? ("Another Piece of Meat" is also a classic)

dave q, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
REVIVE, SCWEINHUNDS!

Just watching the video for "Big City Nights" on VH1 Classic, and it reminded me how goofily lovable the Scorpions were -- bad, thinning hair, choppy English, ridiculous song titles (how exactly does one "rock" someone "like a hurricane"? Hurricanes blow, they don't "rock"!), the bad puns, the zealous expressions of Teutonic Rock und Roll on the faces of Rudy Schenker and the excellently named Mathias Jabs! Such goofballs, but still so cool. And "No One Like You" and "Still Loving You" are both legitimately great songs!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 February 2004 18:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Heard "Wind of Change" on the radio at the weekend and it really does pull off totally-cheesy-but-totally-affecting like nothing else.

fcussen (Burger), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Rock You Like a Hurricane" is some kinda purity.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Just been playing the Fly to the Rainbow album again today and yes, yes, yes: classic. Uli Roth's psychedelic Hendrix-guitar fetism, the spacerock organs, the motorik drumming. Classic. Which also goes for the debut album, In Trance, Virgin Killer, Taken by Force and the live album Tokyo Tapes. Exit Roth meant exit experimentation and enter melodic heavy rock ballads. Some nice (China White, Loving You Sunday Morning), but most of them dull and dud.

Roger in Mokum (Roger T), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And then Uli went on to record "Beyond The Astral Skies", which is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous and awesome, sounding in parts like Magma with Jimi Hendrix on guitar.

udu wudu (udu wudu), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Do you think that The Scorpions sold more records in the US during the 1980s than Kraftwerk?

I think they may have.

earlnash, Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, definitely.

I surprised myself with how much I got into Lovedrive recently. Some dude included it as a throw-in with the copy of Fly to the Rainbow I bought from him, which is what I was really after. But man, Lovedrive is great! "Loving You Sunday Morning", "Another Piece of Meat", "Coast to Coast" -- there are some good songs on there. I mean, I loved Love at First Sting as a kid but never heard the earlier stuff. I might have to pick up Animal Magnetism now..

But yeah, the Uli Jon Roth stuff is funny.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also, I know it's been beaten to death here on ILM, but how about those standards-of-decency-baiting album covers, eh? Consider the covers of Virgin Killer and the afore-mentioned Lovedrive and Animal Magnetism. I mean....relentlessly tasteless and naughty! Hooray!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Lovedrive one is just kind of funny, though. I can't see anyone getting too upset about it.

The other two are a bit troublesome.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

btw: why did they change the graveyard cover on Taken by Force?

Roger in Mokum (Roger T), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

second album! second album!

(also, the song "virgin killer" - which appears on my weird, cheap-ass copy of "lonesome crow" - more than makes up for all of the evil they did in the 80s and 90s.)

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i just gor in trance but have yet to listen.

mullygrubber (gaz), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I broke out Best Of Scorpions the other day. "Steam Rock Fever," "Speedy's Coming," the proto-rap of "Hell Cat" and my favorite "Robot Man" makes early Scorps a classic. Also Blackout is a stunningly underappreciated album. Listen to it from start to finish - every song sounds like a "hit." Even more so than the following disc Love At First Sting even though that was the LP that broke the band in the states.

They also get credit for the most un-PC album covers you can imagine. I was gonna post the Virgin Killer cover but it might get people fired or arrested. Instead, two oddball ones.

http://www.sleazeroxx.com/censored/lovedrive1.jpg

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000076KY.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

It was through growing up with the Scorpions that I came to understand that businessmen used bubblegum when fondling girls in their limos and that if you hypnotised a woman she would want to fuck a guitar - the big end of it, even.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 09:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

First Scorpions album: Total amazing classic psych. Stands up well against anything else of that era. Truly worth seeking out if you love early 70s song-driven guitar psych.

libcrypt, Monday, 21 July 2008 16:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

True.

I also fucking love these Scorpions tracks: Steamrock Fever (where they invent a whole new genre) and the balearic-metal greatness of Coast to Coast.

Raw Patrick, Monday, 21 July 2008 17:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

What genre is that?

Gorge, Monday, 21 July 2008 17:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008/dec/08/internet


Wikipedia page censored in the UK for 'child pornography'

The Internet Watch Foundation has propelled the UK into the forefront of the Internet censorship debate by blacklisting an image on Wikipedia as "a potentially illegal indecent image of a child under the age of 18." You may already have this one. It's a 1976 Scorpions album cover….
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Wikinews reports that British ISPs restrict access to Wikipedia amid child pornography allegations. The story says:

Wikinews has learned that at least six of the United Kingdom's main Internet Service Providers (ISPs) have implemented monitoring and filtering mechanisms that are causing major problems for UK contributors on websites operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, amongst up to 1200 other websites. The filters appear to be applied because Wikimedia sites are hosting a Scorpions album cover which some call child pornography. The Scorpions are a German rock band who have used several controversial album covers and are perhaps best known for their song, "Rock You Like a Hurricane".

The story says that the "major UK ISPs" are thought to be O2/Be Unlimited, Virgin Media, Easynet, Plusnet, Demon, and Opal Telecommunications (TalkTalk).

The blocking has been prompted by the UK's Internet Watch Foundation, which has put out a statement today (Sunday). It says:

A Wikipedia web page, was reported through the IWF's online reporting mechanism in December 2008. As with all child sexual abuse reports received by our Hotline analysts, the image was assessed according to the UK Sentencing Guidelines Council (page 109). The content was considered to be a potentially illegal indecent image of a child under the age of 18, but hosted outside the UK. The IWF does not issue takedown notices to ISPs or hosting companies outside the UK, but we did advise one of our partner Hotlines abroad and our law enforcement partner agency of our assessment. The specific URL (individual webpage) was then added to the list provided to ISPs and other companies in the online sector to protect their customers from inadvertent exposure to a potentially illegal indecent image of a child.

The Scorpions album was released in 1976, so it's amazing to think that civilisation has managed to survive for more than 30 years (corrected), in spite of this evil in our midst.

The IWF has not acted against Amazon.com or other sites that carry images of the original album cover (which has apparently been replaced by something much uglier), such as Google. Also, there are several other album covers to censor, not to mention paintings, books, movies and Shakespeare plays. Presumably it's just a matter of time….

It should be noted that the cover in question is no stranger to controversy, and its use on Wikipedia has been under debate for some time. Gawker ran the story, Wikipedia Is Arguing Whether This Album Cover Is Child Porn, seven months ago, on May 9. But I didn't notice any American ISP's blocking access to Wikipedia.

Of course, this IWF action has done nothing to stop real child pornography, which we all abhor. Also, even the people whose access to Wikipedia has been restricted will be able to find ways round it, if they can be bothered. What it has actually done is ensure that millions of people will go and look at the cover to see what all the fuss is about, when otherwise they'd never have suffered from "inadvertent exposure" to it.

But it will be interesting to see the response. Has the IWF done the right thing, or has it merely damaged its own credibility? What else is being blocked because the IWF thinks it might be "potentially illegal"? What do you think?

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 8 December 2008 15:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

Lonesome Crow slays.

Carol Vorderman's Bukkake Sudoku (gnarly sceptre), Monday, 8 December 2008 15:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine doing a Dj gig without including some Scorps.

All my friends in California saw Uli a few months ago. Sadly, he did not come to the NW :(

Nate Carson, Monday, 8 December 2008 19:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I have everything essential except Taken By Force. This needs to be corrected.

Nate Carson, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Uli era Scorpions is totally underrated.

redmond, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

steamrock fever is a jam

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

The Sails Of Charon is one killer fucking song, and I have a soft spot for We'll Burn The Sky too. I find Monika Danneman's lyrics heartfelt and emotionally resonant, plus she ended up topping herself for added authenticity. Am I the only person on ilx who rates Uli's solo album "Beyond The Astral Skies"?

Matt #2, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

man, Taken By Force rules so fucking hard

Plunge Protection Team, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

In Trace is my afternoon jam today

bitchtime cowards (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

that song kicks ass

i wish i had $ to buy more scorpion discs to blast in the car

guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 19:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

Is it true that Kalus Meine is a tranny chaser?

thirdalternative, Saturday, 13 June 2009 08:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

Taken By Force is the only important one I'm still missing. Need it!

Nate Carson, Sunday, 14 June 2009 10:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Important" seems like an odd choice of adjectives with which to describe a Scorpions album.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 14 June 2009 11:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

Well Alex, in the heavy metal community, Uli John Roth is often considered part of the holy trinity of guitar gods along-side Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen. That makes his last record with the Scorps pretty important.

Lots of folks only know their 80s ballads and will scoff at the idea that Scorpions were an incredible rock band in the 70s. The same is true of ZZ Top and Judas Priest. Arenas and synthesizers and $$ made them into entirely different beasts in their second decades.

Nate Carson, Sunday, 14 June 2009 22:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

This is a dark day for everyone at ILM.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=133950

StanM, Sunday, 24 January 2010 15:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 24 January 2010 16:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Guess I'm gonna have to go see 'em when they tour.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Sunday, 24 January 2010 16:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

We finish our career with an album we consider to be one of the best we have ever recorded and with a tour that will start in our home country Germany and take us to five different continents over the next few years.

This is going to be like the Kiss farewell tour isn't it? i.e. never-ending

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Sunday, 24 January 2010 16:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah I was thinking Sinatra retirement.

Geoffrey Mujangi Bia-Curious (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 January 2010 18:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

The new album is pretty good, actually.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 March 2010 14:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

I mean, as far as Scorpions albums go. It isn't like album of the year or anything.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 March 2010 14:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

never saw this cool japanese cover for tokyo tapes, not sure it survived past the original issue: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Tokyotapesalternate.jpg

brimstead, Saturday, 10 May 2014 02:44 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

steamrock fever
screaming rock believers
steamrock fever
in L.A.

rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 March 2016 20:49 (two years ago) Permalink

it's disgraceful that the only song in the steamrock canon is that song. i want more

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Monday, 28 March 2016 22:19 (two years ago) Permalink

steamrock >> steampunk

rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:50 (two years ago) Permalink

So, steamrockers, is there a live version of "Virgin Killer" ANYWHERE?! Like recorded in the 1970s. Bootlegs preferred.

bulbs in the VU meters of God (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 1 April 2016 10:01 (two years ago) Permalink

this is a dead link anyway but apparently they weren't playing the song on the Virgin Killer tour, so I don't like your chances :(

http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/scorpions-may-1976-virgin-killer-tour-live-in-baden-baden-germany-109174.html

rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 April 2016 13:54 (two years ago) Permalink

Man, that's CRAZY. It's an amazing song.

bulbs in the VU meters of God (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 2 April 2016 08:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Seems bizarre to not have the title track of your new album in the setlist

rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 2 April 2016 11:44 (two years ago) Permalink

maybe they forgot how to play it after they recorded it

Neanderthal, Saturday, 2 April 2016 12:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Maybe Klaus couldn't hit those notes

bulbs in the VU meters of God (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 3 April 2016 00:18 (two years ago) Permalink

Great Real Names

Herby Spamfritter – lead vocals (1968–1969)

new noise, Sunday, 3 April 2016 01:01 (two years ago) Permalink

that's even better than herman rarebell

https://playitloudforever.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/herman-ze-german-and-friends.jpg

lute bro (brimstead), Sunday, 3 April 2016 02:33 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTGTCSGj30&feature=share

klaus looks like a sacha baron cohen character

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 June 2018 18:27 (three months ago) Permalink

Great Real Names

Herby Spamfritter – lead vocals (1968–1969)
― new noise, Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:01 PM (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Herby Spamfritter is my favorite minor character in Gravity's Rainbow

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 29 June 2018 18:31 (three months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Early Scorpions with teenaged Michael Schenker and some bricklayer playing bass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgD12JZuKNk

Josefa, Monday, 8 October 2018 15:35 (one week ago) Permalink

you reckon those guys knew about Can? one almost thinks they did based on the above…

veronica moser, Monday, 8 October 2018 15:41 (one week ago) Permalink

yep, there's an interview clip on youtube where either Rudy or Klaus talks (in German) about their early days and he namedrops all the big Krautrock bands

Josefa, Monday, 8 October 2018 15:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Is there a decent sounding remastered cd of Fly To The Rainbow from anytime in the last 20 years.
Or at least one taht's affordable.
Is it just an lp that's intentionally neglected?
Sounded quite good on Spotify but I was just reallising I didn't have a copy and thought I might remedy that but not seeing anything that seems to be a reasonable price.

Lonesome Crow is pretty good but I don't think it's the archetypal krautrock I once saw it described as. Nice in terms of stoner rock influence or heavy psych or whatever anyway.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:17 (one week ago) Permalink

I just happened to order a cd of Fly to the Rainbow last week, so I will let you know. It was <$10

Josefa, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 21:46 (one week ago) Permalink

Do you know when it was from, which release.
Seemed to be several releases that were around at rising prices and one that says it was from 1980.
& only remasters I could see were from Japan or Russia, not sure if the latter of those was legit.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 22:00 (one week ago) Permalink

Japanese remasters are always legit; Russian, basically never.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 22:09 (one week ago) Permalink

"International Pressing" from RCA Europe. Says the release date is 1988.

Josefa, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:00 (one week ago) Permalink

So I guess not a remastered one.

Josefa, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:01 (one week ago) Permalink

feel like the Scorps -- who were massive in their day -- are the band from that era who've remained more niche than say Judas Priest or Iron Maiden or, later, Metallica -- which is a shame, the Scores at their best are fit to stand with those

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:08 (one week ago) Permalink

"Pictured life" .. The violent cascade of tapping during the resolution of the verse... oh mannnn

brimstead, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah I've been digging into '70s Scorpions lately and Uli Jon Roth is just incredible. Not to dis on Priest, but I think Roth is far more interesting than their guitarists. I've always dug Michael Schenker's playing too. Also I've noticed the Scorpions really tackled a wide variety of grooves in their time, e.g. that Latin prog thing on "I'm Going Mad," the punky groove on "Speedy's Coming," reggae metal on "Is Anybody There?" and on & on.

Josefa, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Update: my Fly to the Rainbow cd arrived, it's a German edition with a copyright date of 1983, which seems very early for a cd. Sounds pretty good.

Josefa, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 13:06 (one week ago) Permalink


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