Fleetwood Mac between Peter Green and Buckingham/Nicks

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i've been feeling this era a lot lately for some reason.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Mystery to Me 6
Bare Trees 5
Kiln House 4
Future Games 1
Heroes Are Hard to Find 1
Penguin 0


omar little, Saturday, 8 August 2009 15:18 (nine years ago) link

it comes down to kiln house, bare trees, or mystery to me imo

omar little, Saturday, 8 August 2009 15:34 (nine years ago) link

Interesting how Floyd went through a similar period: post-Barrett/pre-1970s super-stardom with Dark Side of the Moon. I'll be boring and go with Bare Trees. It has that hazy, fractured pop sound.

QuantumNoise, Saturday, 8 August 2009 15:47 (nine years ago) link

me too. these albums all got pulled from rhapsody a couple years back -- maybe the band has disowned them or something? bare trees and kiln house are my faves but each album contains great tracks. and this clip, w/welch & bob weston, oh man oh man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUxCzEhLQY

m coleman, Saturday, 8 August 2009 18:03 (nine years ago) link

hang on for the second song cause christine is sooo good in there

m coleman, Saturday, 8 August 2009 18:04 (nine years ago) link

Aside from Penguin, these are all really good. I'd go with Mystery To Me as the best (and probably the strongest set the band ever did), but Kiln House is better than I originally thought: it's so eclectic that it's hard to get a handle on.

I definitely overlooked Station Man for a while, because it sounds so Grateful Dead in the beginning...

Future Games is their overlooked folk-prog classic and is way underrated. "Sands of Time" in particular is wonderful. The Floyd comparison is very apt.

I like that video above of Miles Away etc., but on album both of those tracks shred where here they're a lot spacier.

dlp9001, Saturday, 8 August 2009 18:49 (nine years ago) link

I think Wolfgang's Vault has a concert or two of the band right after B/N joined, but when their setlist still drew from this period.

dlp9001, Saturday, 8 August 2009 18:51 (nine years ago) link

I'm a really big FM fan (era Nicks - duuuuh) so friends would always try to get me to listen to the early shit. I never much connected. :-(

Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:35 (nine years ago) link

This isn't the early shit, fwiw.

dlp9001, Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:39 (nine years ago) link

i'm totally ignorant bout this era. i've got The Chain box set from the mid-90s (?) that briefly touches on these records ad I really like what little is there. looking forward to these poll results, if for no other reason than a place to start.

^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:44 (nine years ago) link

bob welch seems like a total bro btw

^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:44 (nine years ago) link

i only have Mystery to Me, but it's been killing me lately. Hypnotized and Keep on Going are so fucking funky

jaxon, Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:46 (nine years ago) link

every bob welch album i've heard is amazing btw

jaxon, Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:46 (nine years ago) link

I think if I had to rank all of them it'd go:

Mystery To Me
Bare Trees

Kiln House
Future Games

Heroes Are Hard To Find

Penguin

dlp9001, Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:52 (nine years ago) link

1)kiln house
2)future games
3)mystery to me
4)bare trees

don't know the other two

winston, Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:57 (nine years ago) link

kiln house rocks and is on par w/"then play on", imo

winston, Saturday, 8 August 2009 19:57 (nine years ago) link

"This isn't the early shit, fwiw."

Shows you how ignorant I am. :-(

Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 8 August 2009 20:00 (nine years ago) link

you should just invest in a couple of these records, you can get 'em for super cheap. they're a lot closer to the period that followed than the period that preceded.

omar little, Saturday, 8 August 2009 23:31 (nine years ago) link

Considering the Mac has been around since '68 I guess you could call at least a couple of these records "early shit."

Plus, I don't think Kiln House is closer to the Buckingham/Nicks era. Both Jeremy Spencer and Danny Kirwin are still in the band after all. I always regard Future Games as the big break from the Green era because that's when Welch arrives.

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 9 August 2009 03:03 (nine years ago) link

that midnight special video kind of hits at what the Dead could've done with a Christine Mac instead of y'know, Donna Godchaux.

^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Sunday, 9 August 2009 15:52 (nine years ago) link

Voted MTM. but v v difficult imo

wilter, Sunday, 9 August 2009 23:06 (nine years ago) link

these days def listen to these albums more than tusk and rumours

wilter, Sunday, 9 August 2009 23:13 (nine years ago) link

Had to check...anyway, there's a King Biscuit Flower Hour show on Wolfgang's Vault from 1975 (so with B&N). They open the show with Station Man and close it with Hypnotized. Pretty good recording actually!

dlp9001, Monday, 10 August 2009 01:47 (nine years ago) link

Hypnotized ownes

wilter, Monday, 10 August 2009 01:49 (nine years ago) link

There are a couple of well-recorded Bob Welch era concerts on WG as well. Sentimental Lady into Future Games = great. Weird how this stuff doesn't seem to be better publicized.

dlp9001, Monday, 10 August 2009 01:56 (nine years ago) link

'Mystery to Me' is the one I go for but to be honest I haven't really payed attention to the rest of them.
'Hypnotized' and 'Keep on Going' are really good.

Moka, Monday, 10 August 2009 02:49 (nine years ago) link

ya the bass on keep on going is fantastic

wilter, Monday, 10 August 2009 02:53 (nine years ago) link

gonna go with Mystery to Me, but I like all of them a lot. there's a pretty good Cosmo Vitelli edit of Keep On Going that stretches the song out to 6 minutes if you feel like jamming it out a bit longer.

methanietanner, Monday, 10 August 2009 05:00 (nine years ago) link

my drunken ecstatic thred 'bout MTM:

Fleetwood Mac - Mystery To Me

anyway ... i am actually so tempted to vote 'Future Games' today!! that really is this weird lost rural-prog masterpiece.. But I will still ultimately go with 'Mystery to Me', out of sheer Christine and BOB WESTON presence, probably. however, all of these albums bear some wonderful fruit

Stormy Davis, Monday, 10 August 2009 05:32 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 27 August 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) link

Good results. Hurrah!

dlp9001, Friday, 28 August 2009 02:22 (nine years ago) link

so weird. 3 seconds before i clicked on this link, i just told someone Mystery to Me is my new fave

jaxon, Friday, 28 August 2009 02:28 (nine years ago) link

Everyone, if you haven't watched that YouTube clip upthread go back and do so now.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 28 August 2009 05:24 (nine years ago) link

havent heard any of these - need to remedy that

just sayin, Friday, 28 August 2009 09:01 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

freakin love "Prove Your Love" of of Heroes

Aerosol, Thursday, 15 July 2010 17:36 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

never saw this clip before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhKrA-Z68Cs

buzza, Thursday, 22 September 2011 16:29 (seven years ago) link

i heard some fleetwood mac instrumental from this period on the radio recently, but didn't catch the title -- anyone know it? kinda dreamy, pretty tune?

tylerw, Thursday, 22 September 2011 16:31 (seven years ago) link

this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh0Rp92f1uA

buzza, Thursday, 22 September 2011 16:32 (seven years ago) link

yes! thanks.

tylerw, Thursday, 22 September 2011 16:33 (seven years ago) link

I'd never seen that "Lay It All Down" clip either. Welch rockin' the sweater vest!

Prostetnic Vogon Limbaugh (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 22 September 2011 16:53 (seven years ago) link

yeah that clips is smoking.
i think i pretty much have the same fashion sense as john mcvie.

tylerw, Thursday, 22 September 2011 16:56 (seven years ago) link

ha i was thinking of starting a thread "rock stars wearing sweater vests"
xp

bunnistula (buzza), Thursday, 22 September 2011 16:57 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWWBt83E61c

buzza, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 07:52 (seven years ago) link

Gotta love the Bob Welch years. Mystery to Me and Heroes are Hard to Find are essential.
No Buckingham/Nicks FM without the crucial Bob Welch SoCal years.

rockcrit88, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 14:53 (seven years ago) link

This era is not on spotify but Bob Welch's "French Kiss" is and it is hitting the spot this tuesday.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 15:11 (seven years ago) link

I wish he was saying "Sentimental Lady, jam a while" though.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 15:30 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

RIP Bob Weston http://www.denverpost.com/entertainment/ci_19688114

tylerw, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:03 (seven years ago) link

sad. nice non-fm clip of him here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2bHhlavflo

buzza, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:22 (seven years ago) link

did not know that he was kicked out of FM for sleeping with Fleetwood's wife! That band.

tylerw, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:24 (seven years ago) link

news report mentioned cirrhosis : (

kind of amazing kirwan is still alive given his mental illness, alcoholism & destitute life post-fleetwood mac.

buzza, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:27 (seven years ago) link

did not know that he was kicked out of FM for sleeping with Fleetwood's wife! That band.

Good thing that rule was relaxed somewhat in later years.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:47 (seven years ago) link

ha, didn't know weston apparently is one of the guitarists in l. buckingham's "trouble" video

buzza, Saturday, 7 January 2012 09:19 (seven years ago) link

I definitely would have voted for 'Bare Trees', it's one of my personal favourite Mac LPs.

Turrican, Saturday, 7 January 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

> Good thing that rule was relaxed somewhat in later years

I was gonna say! Hard to imagine an alternate universe where Rumours (and most everything since) didn't exist.

I too would have voted for Bare Trees

everything else is secondary (Lee626), Saturday, 7 January 2012 22:31 (seven years ago) link

'Sunny Side Of Heaven' is simply beautiful, I remember having that on repeat quite a lot when I first heard 'Bare Trees'!

Turrican, Saturday, 7 January 2012 22:36 (seven years ago) link

kind of amazing kirwan is still alive given his mental illness, alcoholism & destitute life post-fleetwood mac.

is he? does anyone even know where he is? I thought he vanished.

akm, Sunday, 8 January 2012 06:50 (seven years ago) link

this repeats the various stories about his recent whereabouts I see from time to time - some sort of homeless hostel/shelter in London

http://culturecatch.com/music/danny-kirwan-second-chapter

buzza, Sunday, 8 January 2012 07:20 (seven years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/jan/08/bob-weston?newsfeed=true

buzza, Sunday, 8 January 2012 21:25 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMQZnfRcQiE

buzza, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 07:56 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

This era of the Mac is criminally underrated. "Hypnotized" is one of their greatest songs ever, totally beguiling and just shiveringly creepy at the same time. The whole Future Games LP (especially the title track and "Woman of a Thousand Years") straddles a similar line between drifty bliss and impending terror. The horror of the deep woods, etc. I'm totally in love with this stuff right now.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 28 February 2012 03:05 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

hot live clip from 1971. bob welch looks damn young

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhKrA-Z68Cs&feature=related

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Monday, 4 June 2012 19:06 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

nice kiln house era footage here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONRlMK8C6A

salthigh, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 07:59 (two years ago) link

cool

a but (brimstead), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:00 (two years ago) link

Future Games is my favorite LP from this era, but I gotta shout out the gorgeous "Earl Grey" from Kiln House--their best instrumental, apart from "Albatross."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0vGdetW40

J. Sam, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:30 (two years ago) link

...and I just now realized they used the American spelling of "gray" in the title. Odd, given that the whole band was British at that point.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:32 (two years ago) link

i'm finally getting into these! future games is like some weird gentle folk-psych-prog-blues-rock.............masterpiece?

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 March 2017 22:44 (two years ago) link

I love Future Games, but Bare Trees is the pinnacle of this period for me.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Thursday, 16 March 2017 22:52 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Spinning a vinyl Bare Trees I picked up yesterday--kind of amazed how much it reminds me of the Allman Bros. (or at least an idea of the Allmans--harmonized guitars, slide fills for color, rolling rhythms etc.)

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 19 March 2018 20:33 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Future Games is so freaking great. Woman of a Thousand Years, Future Games, and Sands of Time are just amazing. Need to read the rest of the thread, but consensus up thread seems to be that it is not as good as Bare Trees or MTM, the former I have but the latter I do not.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 00:05 (two months ago) link

It’s better than both imo

brimstead, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 00:33 (two months ago) link

Yeah I agree

think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 03:07 (two months ago) link

I just listened to Bare Trees again and it is so good. Yet, it is a distinct step toward the pop moves of Buckingham/Nicks and away from the weirdo mysteriousness of the early stuff. Still prefer Future Games.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 22:47 (two months ago) link

Future Games is one of my favorite Mac albums. Woman of a Thousand Years....so great.

akm, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:06 (two months ago) link

i like the album art of Bare Trees more than the album itself (same with Kiln House).

akm, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:07 (two months ago) link

re: kiln house

the verses of "jewel eyed judy" are so magical. it's a shame the chorus doesn't really deliver but it's still a great track to slip into a mixtape imo

and then "one together" might be the best thing jeremy spencer ever wrote. that tune gets stuck in my head maybe every other week

lol i love jeremey, look at this guy

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Fleetwood_mac_jeremy_spencer_8.jpg/800px-Fleetwood_mac_jeremy_spencer_8.jpg

budo jeru, Friday, 10 May 2019 05:46 (two months ago) link


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