Jagged Little POLL - Alanis Morissette

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
You Oughta Know 9
Hand In My Pocket 8
Head Over Feet 7
Ironic 5
Wake Up 1
Not The Doctor 1
You Learn 1
Forgiven 1
Right Through You 1
Mary Jane 0
Perfect 0
All I Really Want 0


Back Like That (makeitpop), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

i've done this already

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

BIOTCH!

Best song on Jagged Little Pill

:) muah

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

Maybe "Hand in My Pocket" will win this time tho.

well known on the morris dancing scene (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've heard "Head Over Feet," "You Oughta Know," "You Learn," "Ironic," and "Hand in My Pocket," and they all sound EXACTLY the same. I take it the rest of the album is like that?

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but was your pun as good as mine?

Back Like That (makeitpop), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

poll puns are not good

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm really hoping that You Oughta Know wins again. I think this is a question worth revisiting on a yearly basis.

Back Like That (makeitpop), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, "Right Through You" now has a vote! This was one of the first tapes I ever had.

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

are we really doing this again? lock this bitch

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Are you suggesting we abandon this?

well known on the morris dancing scene (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

i mean... do what makes you happy

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can never choose. I consistently go through Alanis/"JLP" phases at least once a year.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

And yes all Alanis songs are the same. Repetition, paradoxes, pseudointellectualism.

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

and LISTS!

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 9 August 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Bah, Alanis. In the words of Coach McGuirk...if I had to pick one, I'd pick none of them.

Cyberdune Butt (Elvin Wayburn Phillips), Sunday, 9 August 2009 23:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

voting "hand in pocket" because I kind of enjoy it, which is odd for me, since everything else I've heard on this album fills me with a sort of revulsion that I almost never experience in response to music. not much that I hate, but this...this, I truly hate a lot.

the evil genius of Zaiger Genetics (J0hn D.), Sunday, 9 August 2009 23:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Ironic" all the way.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 10 August 2009 06:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

terrible album

galumphing lummox (bug), Monday, 10 August 2009 06:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

'head over feet' because it doesn't strike me as being as caustic, righteous and generally irritating as the others.

Charlie Howard, Monday, 10 August 2009 06:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

also makeitpop you left out the HIDDEN TRACK on this. it got 2 votes in the first poll, fyi.

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Monday, 10 August 2009 06:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

The production on this album never fails to get on my nerves whenever I get to hear any of its songs blasting through the supermarket speakers.

Moka, Monday, 10 August 2009 07:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

I for one am happy to have a chance to declare for "You Oughta Know" once a year. Probably my favorite big hit of the era. Don't mean to be all rockist here but there is 100% ACTUAL FEELING pouring out of this song and that's just not easy to do, not without sounding like an idiot. Does Alanis sound like an idiot on this song? SHE DOES NOT.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 10 August 2009 14:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

Well, she does sound like an idiot, but it's an idiot that most of us have been at one point or another; it's also kind of amazing that "You Oughta Know" was her mainstream breakthrough given how venomous it is.

I think pretty much every song she released as a single off this album was great, including the stupid ones.

I am over wieght and I have angelical quilities (HI DERE), Monday, 10 August 2009 14:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

voted for "forgiven." i never liked this one when i bought the album, but it grew on me considerably when i was listening to JLP and trying to decide whether or not i should pitch it.

borntohula, Monday, 10 August 2009 14:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

Saw a girl do a karaoke version of "You Oughta Know" that sounded way better than Alanis' to my ears. Maybe because she sounded genuinely insane rather than pretend-i'm-a-crazy-bitch-to-sell-records insane.

myndbloom, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

'head over feet' because it doesn't strike me as being as caustic, righteous and generally irritating as the others.

― Charlie Howard, Monday, August 10, 2009 2:20 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ this

some dude, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

fuck this shitty album

billstevejim, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

you forgot to include that shitty bullshit song thats like "i took off my clothes i put on your cd's"

billstevejim, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

also it was totally weird and hilarious how the terrible nu-grunge band Seether took the "I am aware now" bit from that song, exact same cadence and everything, and made it into the chorus of one of their singles (xpost)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2PVKMZCo4

some dude, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

Damn. I didn't think I could hate Seether anymore than I did 5 minutes ago..

billstevejim, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

And if you think I'm kidding I just heard their cover of "Careless Whisper" for the first time the other day.

billstevejim, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

ack, they covered careless whisper? make it stop!

borntohula, Monday, 10 August 2009 16:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 10 August 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok lol

it's like i have a couple worked up vadges under my arms (HI DERE), Monday, 10 August 2009 23:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

Too many votes for "Ironic," otherwise pretty good.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 00:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Great work everyone.

Back Like That (makeitpop), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

alanis looks nasty naked

Cyberdune Butt (Elvin Wayburn Phillips), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

If we keep doing this "Hand in My Pocket" should win the next one.

AND I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS HATE ME NOW (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 06:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh my god it is so nice to read about this album without seeing the phrase "blackface ADATs"

badpowderfinger (electricsound), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 06:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

I like that one.... More than “You Oughta Know” or “Ironic,” anyway.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 01:20 (four months ago) Permalink

It also falls in the interesting category of “songs that use the album title as a lyric phrase (but it’s not the song title).”

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 01:22 (four months ago) Permalink

aw "you learn" is good imo

"head over feet" towers over everything else on this record though imo

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 01:58 (four months ago) Permalink

imo

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 01:58 (four months ago) Permalink

"head over feet" really is lovely

dyl, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 02:59 (four months ago) Permalink

'You Learn' is one of my favourite songs on that LP!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 06:41 (four months ago) Permalink

Thank you is my favourite Alanis song

Ross, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 06:56 (four months ago) Permalink

ILM Confession: I had no problem w/how the term “ironic” was used in that song (even if not technically accurate), and thought all the “Gotcha/Actually”–ing around it was silly.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:20 (four months ago) Permalink

feel like that’s the reasonable position

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:22 (four months ago) Permalink

The claim that Liz Phair's success "counted to a large degree on the support of enthusiastic dudes for whom a woman with a guitar was the ultimate babe-with-a-brain fantasy" while Morrissette was by and large "loathed" by male fans does not match my memory of the era

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:23 (four months ago) Permalink

It certainly was mine! Man, did guys hate her.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:25 (four months ago) Permalink

My memory is that everyone loved "You Oughta Know" but I only rarely met anyone who liked anything else.

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:27 (four months ago) Permalink

I never would have thought to compare Liz & Alanis (or their reception); interesting move by Alfred, I guess.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:41 (four months ago) Permalink

I felt like Morrisette was a legit huge rock star who everybody I knew, men and women, basically liked, while Liz Phair fandom was more interior to feminism, not all the way to Ani DiFranco, but in that direction from Morrissette.

I mean I say this as a dude whose record collection in 1995 was probably 96% "dudes with guitars" and I owned Jagged Little Pill (and Supposed Former...!) but not Phair.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:06 (four months ago) Permalink

I love You Learn. Reminds me of Goodbye to You by Michelle Branch in a way (or probably a dozen other pop-rock power ballads from the late 90s early 00s).

Speaking for my lame dude self from back then, I ran away from Alanis when her second single wasn't also about going down on you in a theater and featuring the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Also the Ironic video, with the multiple Alanises manically writhing about in the car, was enough to push her over into "this girl is annoying" territory. I do remember some guy friends still thought she was great though, but not many.

how's life, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:11 (four months ago) Permalink

I had a girlfriend at the time who loved "You Oughtta" because it felt "honest," but then as now I think it's musically a bit weak.

"You Learn," "Thank You," and "Hand In My Pocket" are excellent songs. The useful comparison is not Alanis vs. Ani or Liz (or Tori Amos, or Michelle Branch) but Alanis vs. Sheryl Crow.

the lauper curve (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:17 (four months ago) Permalink

he useful comparison is not Alanis vs. Ani or Liz (or Tori Amos, or Michelle Branch) but Alanis vs. Sheryl Crow.

don't at all disagree! But this became more obvious years later, not at the time (Alanis peaked between Crow's breakthrough and the eponymous album)

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:24 (four months ago) Permalink

I was trying to make a point about her influence on all that later stuff.

how's life, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:25 (four months ago) Permalink

i loved "you oughta know" but was ultimately sold by "ironic" as a song/video, i asked my parents to buy me the record the day after i saw it. got my dad into her too

Mary Jane 0

maura and i were recently talking about how this is the best jlp deep cut (it came up bc the main character of the alanis musical is named mary jane)

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:29 (four months ago) Permalink

I agree, how's life.

That said, I think one could also draw a longer line of influence and spotlight access - Indigos, Suzanne Vega, Tori, Tracy Chapman, Sarah McLachlan, Shawn Colvin, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Lilith Fair - to Alanis etc., and forth to Michelle Branch and Anna Nalick.

the lauper curve (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:35 (four months ago) Permalink

I can’t think of many artists like Alanis (male or female), in 1995 or since – a solo act whose fans trended young and who effortlessly crossed between pop & alternative radio.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:41 (four months ago) Permalink

“Ironic” remains the worst of the JLP singles, to me, not for of the usual language-snob reasons—glenn mcdonald once referred to her “somewhat holistic definition of irony,” which is a fair way to put it—but rather because I don’t think she can pull off the whispiness of the verses. It’s not a mode she seems comfortable with, and it comes off sounding kind of Phoebie from Friends-ish.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:42 (four months ago) Permalink

21 Pilots! xp

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:42 (four months ago) Permalink

I lost interest in trying to like her music when the followup album used that wispy mode.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:43 (four months ago) Permalink

alfred - some great sendup in that piece of her hallmark-card advice.... and yet it cannot shake my joy when she hits the audacious hail-mary of "the smoe-ooh-oh-oke clee-ers"

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 16:15 (four months ago) Permalink

the dust seaaeaaaattles

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 16:21 (four months ago) Permalink

I heart u Lord Alfred but I am not even the slightest bit put off by "sex gargoyle" or by "Chynna Phillips pillow talk." Both sound welcome to me at this historical remove.

the salmon mousse (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 16:36 (four months ago) Permalink

I thought she was terrible at the time and only ever liked "head over feet" which is cute and lovely. That said, I found myself at the Jagged Little Pill musical a couple weeks ago. It was . . . not good.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 17:53 (four months ago) Permalink

I can’t think of many artists like Alanis (male or female), in 1995 or since – a solo act whose fans trended young and who effortlessly crossed between pop & alternative radio.

― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, May 30, 2018

To close the loop on this – it occurred to me that Lorde is another artist who fits this description.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 9 June 2018 21:31 (four months ago) Permalink

One of the greatest albums of the last 30 years.

Jeff, Saturday, 9 June 2018 21:56 (four months ago) Permalink

Still sad I never interviewed Chantal kreviazuk.
Family member died so they called it off.

Slippage (Ross), Sunday, 10 June 2018 01:43 (four months ago) Permalink


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