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Im going with "Medicine Bottle".

Chris, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

24, because it is the only one i've heard

gareth, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Katy Song"

J, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Original: "Katy Song" - "Glass on the pavement under my shoe, without you, is all my life amounts to". I mean, Jesus, you want to buy Mark an ice cream cone or something, he's so sad.
Cover: this one is harder to pick, but "I Am a Rock". This song was made for RHP. That passage where he sings "I am an I...I...SLAND" does it for me every time. (close 2nd and 3rd, "All Mixed Up" and "Shock Me").

Ernest, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll go with "Byrd Joel" from Old Ramon because it's upbeat and energetic unllike most of his songs. I'm not a huge fan, but Mark can pull off a few pretty songs here and there. Katy Song would be a close second.

John S., Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Katy Song. The advantage of listening to this song to killing yourself is that you can do it more than once. I could at least. ;-)

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean its really tough for me to pick just one, I'm a huge fan. His cover of REO Speedwagons "Keep on Loving You" is amazing. For covers I have to go with "Shock Me" as a first, although I really enjoy "I Am A Rock". I remember when I worked as a courier for a lab about 8 years ago and I would drive through the mountains of NH listening to RHP, it was such a serene drive. I would pull over and take in the view and just think. It was a great time...until I started having panic attacks.

Chris, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

dragonflies is great too....i can't pick just one.

Chris, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Katy Song... again....

baxter wingnut, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Grace Cathedral Park.

Richard Jones, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What's theo ne where he's talking about her on a beach somwehere?

Queen I am neither Buffy nor the Messiah G, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Geoff, are you thinking of Japanese to English?

RickyT, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Either "Grace Cathedral Park" or "New Jersey."

nabisco%%, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

its totally simple, but "Have You Forgot."
Wrapped in white sheets, like an angel from a sad story.... That "Wop-A-Din-Din" off Old Ramon. His leading tracks are the best.

Brock K., Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Japanese to English" - the phrasing is bizarre when he gets to "Jap- an-eeee-ee-eese."

paul, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Only have one album (the longer self-titled one), but off that I'd choose "New Jersey". It's gorgeous.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I forgot to say that I love the line "You're not as good as your mom / but you're as good as dead." Self-obsessed wanker Mr.Kozolek (is my spelling correct?) may well be, but he has a way with phrasing, and a tune.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to go with "Lord Kill the Pain," but the Songs for a Blue Guitar version of "All Mixed Up" is six minutes of musical perfection.

Tim DiGravina, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

D r a g o n f l i e s
this is the first you spoke of it
in your black magic house
in a cold damp attic
two windows stare at us like eyes
behind them
december's dark
early morning sky
and a couple of
dead trees
with their ornamental stars
i thought by now that i
figured your head out
until now i thought i
figured your body out
so please help me to understand
because i love you
more than anyone
i wonder in what fields today
you're chasing dragonflies at play
my little lost girl
so far away
this is the first you spoke of it

Chris, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Michael, or the piano version of Mistress, or Katy Song. I cannot choose between these three. Michael probably edges slightly ahead, for sharing opening lines with a Jandek song. Coincidence?

electric sound of jim, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

grace cahtedral park, it is elegant yet still very much a short pop number which were always in short supply in the rhp repertoire.

keith, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Summer Dress I think is the one I was thinking of, Michael is pretty darn fine as well

Queen I am neither Buffy nor the Messiah G, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...
in the spirit of unoriginality

"katy song"

followed by

"grace cathedral park"

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link

michael, followed by mistress (piano version)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 05:02 (sixteen years ago) link

oh shit i've already answered. at least i'm consistent

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 05:02 (sixteen years ago) link

not 'silly love songs'.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 05:06 (sixteen years ago) link

His version of "All Mixed Up" is one of the best covers I've ever heard. He has an amazing talent to completely reconstruct songs into his own style.

"Medicine Bottle" is my personal favorite ... on his latest "Cruiser" is entrancing.

Is there any news on another release? Considering how long Old Ramon was in the can and all the covers he did while waiting for its release I was hoping for a backlog of RHP material.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Katy Song

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Since Katy Song seems to be the popular answer to this thread, I just wanted to tell a story related to the song (by the way, I mainly lurk, so you won't recognize me). Anyway, I interviewed Kozelek in 1996 and it was the day before he was leaving for a tour, so when I called, I was supposed to leave a message on his answering machine, and then he would pick up when he heard my voice. Turns out that a lot of his friends/enemies/whoever were calling him, and he was only interested in doing the interview, and nothing else. I didn't know that, so I called a couple of times and finally called the label to find out what was going on, since he didn't seem to be home. Finally I called back and left a message and we spoke.
Anyway, the point of the story is that in the message, it said "Katy and Mark aren't home right now . . ." When we finally spoke, he told me that he was living with the Katy from the song. Considering how sad that song is over the break up, I was so incredibly happy for the guy. I'm not sure if they are still together.

For me, I'd likely say Katy Song, Michael, Summer Dress, and Uncle Joe (sorry, can't pick just one). Oh, and I highly recommend you all try to track down the demo version of Smokey, which was on that Shanti Project CD. Far superior to the Old Ramon version, imho.

Jonathan, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Every now and then, "Have You Forgotten" is my favorite song in the world. (Which is odd since it's so incongruous with the rest of my musical tastes.)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 10 March 2005 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I just realized that a song I did a while ago made a big unconscious steal from "Michael."

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 10 March 2005 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Which, lyric-wise: "triple-ex-girlfriend!!!" That's like a Trash Can Sinatras level pun, and without the wink at all.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 10 March 2005 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

"DROP"

mat, Thursday, 10 March 2005 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link

"Uncle Joe". Though it ties with "Katysong" - I am amazed how many people picked that one.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 March 2005 01:58 (fourteen years ago) link

You know, this is actually easier than I thought it was going to be. I'll pick "Make Like Paper".

I think I'm gonna do a google search to see what I can find about Sun Kil Moon's current activities.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

"Strawberry Hill" is easily my favorite song of theirs (and they're my favorite band, so maybe it's just my favorite song period). "Summer Dress" comes close, so does the electric version of "Mistress."

SKM is up to nothing right now. Kozelek was playing solo in the States, but just cancelled his UK tour for "personal reasons."

michaeln (kid loki), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link

sad reminders of
what seems years ago
warm southern sun shines through
station wagon windows
like solar energy
and when in the night
your brother turned to me and said,
"god, do you look evil in the dark"
that made me feel good
sad reminders of
midwest winter snow
cold catholic church
heaven in stained glass windows
like rock candy
and when on sunday
their daughter turned at me and said,
"mom and dad, is it a boy or a girl"
"mom and dad, is it a he or a she"
that made me feel good

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, i have too many. but i do love "Evil". I have 2 favorite songs from every album. Or maybe 3 or 4! I wonder why i like them so much?

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:37 (fourteen years ago) link

definatly "have you forgotten" its addictive and makes me feel isolated and warm at the same time. just a great song.

j-dizzle, Friday, 11 March 2005 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm the same way, Scott -- they are extremely incongruous with other stuff I like, and I usually have very little time for earnest singer-songwriter types, but somehow that early RHP does it for me. I think Kozelek's sense of melody and knack for chord changes is subtly unorthodox and unique, and the songs work themselves into your head in a serious way.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd also like to nominate "Sundays and Holidays" from the Shock Me EP. (But I could do a RHP: POXXX and still be saying, "But don't forget all these OTHER great songs....")

michaeln (kid loki), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, they just hit me immediately.the voice. the guitars. it all works for me. i was honoured to write their rolling stone album guide entry. i really was. and i loved the sun kil moon album just as much as the rhp stuff.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 March 2005 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link

one of the better reviews i have written in the last couple years was for that skm album. i posted a link to it on the skm thread and i'll post one here cuz i am shameless and i don't think many people read it cuz it's on a blog:

http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/2004_03_01_thefreelancementalists_archive.html


oh, and cuz i like spreading the love.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Scott, I love those lyrics in "Evil" as well.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I went thru a breakup and then a breakdown with RHP on constant rotation, it was soul tearing and actually almost ruined them for me.. I can listen to them without sobbing nowdays though :)

Oh! An interesting bit of RHP trivia I noticed. The bridge verse of "Uncle Joe" always struck me as oddly-phrased. Til I worked out why:

And I am not very well read
And did you say that I will lose my house
And can you spare me of my pain?
And can you spare me of my tears
Oh Uncle Joe...

Re(a)d House Pain-tears. Har har! That card Kozolek.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:05 (fourteen years ago) link

aren't they great, Trayce! funny and sad and full of eveything funny and sad about adolescence. "lord kill the pain" is like that too. holden caulfield would have loved that song.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:06 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, what a trickster!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link

The SKM album is as good as any of the RHP albums--and I like it better than a couple of them--but there's a definite transition (and, in my opinion, slight drop-off) between the Down Colorful Hill-Ocean Beach-era RHP and the post-Ocean Beach Kozelek stuff. (Original guitarist) Gordon Mack left the band after Ocean Beach, and Kozelek started working with a rotating cast of musicians; he loosened up the music a lot and seemed to spend less time on the lyrics. I mean, look at those two verses from "Evil": They're fucking poetry. There are no two verses (consecutive or otherwise) on the SKM record that even come close, and occasionally, they sound a little silly, as if he was just singing whatever popped into his head ("Come to me/my love/one more night/come on/'cause I don't want to be without/without you"). I'm not saying it's not beautiful and sincere, just that it sounds lazy by comparison.

michaeln (kid loki), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Trayce--I had never noticed that about those "Uncle Joe" lyrics, and I too always thought they sounded a little odd. Excellent observation. Thanks for pointing it out.

michaeln (kid loki), Friday, 11 March 2005 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I love Sundays and Holidays. Big fan of Japanese to English too. Actually a big fan of everything.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 11 March 2005 11:13 (fourteen years ago) link

just listened to Funhouse and to add to the remarks i made just now, it's one of the shortest 9-minute journeys that i can think of. i mean it's slow, but not slow for slowness' sake, more as a means of zoning in for extended lengths on fragments of activity and emotion suspended in another time and place, like a slideshow set on crawl.

charlie h, Thursday, 1 March 2012 04:14 (seven years ago) link

by "shortest", i mean it has me under its spell and i never pay attention to the playing time.

charlie h, Thursday, 1 March 2012 04:16 (seven years ago) link

I meant musically, and was referring to many of the dissonant chord movements that appear during some bridges and elsewhere, like the heaviness of the song is making it hard for the notes to hit their marks. It would sound sloppy to someone without knowing Mark's ability as a guitar player. The love/hate comes from my enjoyment of it by myself but the awkwardness of making someone else sit through it with me, understanding how it sounds like it's trudging it's way through the nine minutes if you aren't paying close attention to it's intended mood. The point where the song begins to unravel is where the distortion comes in, or when the la's happen soon afterwards, and for a song with an already slow pace this part feels like walking through mud. Again, I love it normally but if you throw someone unfamiliar in the room with me, I am immediately sensitive to what makes it a chore to listen to.

Evan, Thursday, 1 March 2012 04:43 (seven years ago) link

I also agree upthread about Have You Forgotten, this is the song that I discovered them with. It's one of those songs where I wish I knew how to arrange strings so I could transpose this for an orchestra to add heartbreaking swells behind him as he plays.

Evan, Thursday, 1 March 2012 04:48 (seven years ago) link

Evan, to the uninitiated i'm sure Funhouse would be a very trying slog and a lot of hard work. it's kind of funny really -- i get a lot of emotional resonance from it, but never feel confronted or destabilised as i'm sure a lot of listeners do. i guess that that in itself is a testament to the impact of the song, that it turns people off or makes them feel uncomfortable to the extent that their mood or outlook is affected. i think it's interesting what you say about the end of the song and its means of rendering an already a-musical and unconventional soundscape even more jarring and bare. in many ways it's a retread of the structure of Katy Song, albeit with less humanity and warmth. i think Funhouse has some of the qualities that are representative of Rollercoaster as whole -- it's long, indulgent, sprawling and intermittently sloppy, but there's still the sense that every last inch of it needs to be there, laid bare just as it is. i can't imagine any of it missing.

charlie h, Thursday, 1 March 2012 07:45 (seven years ago) link

More great originals from me

Katy Song
New Jersey (either version depending on mood)
Have you forgotten
Grace Cathedra Park

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:36 (seven years ago) link

Ok sorry - pressed too early- big zzzs

Katy Song

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 1 March 2012 22:38 (seven years ago) link

Okay, nabisco's post led me to listen to Strawberry Hill ~20 times in the past few days. Favorite part: the fuzzed out guitar that shows up on the "now for dinner" line. Could listen to that chorus for days and days. Actually wish the song were longer...

john. a resident of chicago., Friday, 2 March 2012 04:45 (seven years ago) link

the demo of "funhouse" does something a little more lively with the ending https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8xNJmtIx1k

you really wonder how it got the way it did on record. but i love the song; i think justin broadrick (from godflesh and jesu) has talked about how much he loves red house painters, and the last few minutes of "funhouse" are pure godflesh.

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, 2 March 2012 19:06 (seven years ago) link

wow, the demo is pretty cool and probably more of a palatable length for most people to accommodate.

what's everyone's opinion of Mother? for me, that was the most challenging song for me to approach on Rollercoaster. RHP never got more mopey than that.

i'm currently obsessing over River from Old Ramon. i think there might be an element of tribute to Neil Young at play. it's a deeply complex song, gentle and free-flowing as a whole, but somehow really dark with sporadic forays into unsettling and obscure territories. strikes me as a bit of a precursor to Duk Koo Kim.

charlie h, Saturday, 3 March 2012 01:15 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

holy shit, "Helicopter", what a sleeper of a song. it has actually been caving into my everyday thoughts quite a bit. i really enjoy the RHP songs that probe the symptoms of a problem in intense detail to the point that Koz riles himself up and emerges as a bit mentally imbalanced. "Uncle Joe" is a similar kind of song in that respect. the Bridge album is a bit undervalued, i think. it's basically one harrowing slow-burner after another.

charlie h, Friday, 16 November 2012 03:27 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

I had never picked up that Bridge record until a few months ago and became obsessed immediately with it. "I Am A Rock" was in my head for days. The original version of that does not have the same effect on me.

Evan, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 21:50 (six years ago) link

bridge is so great. was listening to it a few days ago, always forget how great "helicopter" is, and the full band version of "new jersey" >>>>>>>>> everything

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 22:10 (six years ago) link

any band i have a long obsession with i eventually focus on their playing but man anthony koutsos is a great drummer.

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 22:14 (six years ago) link

don't really know how i want to express this but i love that this music, which is so slow and flooding, so often has a really intricate beat married to it that's also locking it into a specific direction

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 22:19 (six years ago) link

He is really a great drummer though some of his parts are a bit too similar on a few tracks, but I do like that he consciously shaped a RHP drum sound in the same way that exists for the bass and guitar parts, too.

Evan, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 03:27 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Down Through, lovely chords in that song. I forget how much RHP sound like Rain Parade.

MaresNest, Friday, 15 March 2013 17:39 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

used to have a problem with Down Through because of the lyrics. but then i realised how effectively they offset the beauty of the music to create a sense of ambivalence and conflict of idealised and painful memories.

charlie h, Saturday, 30 March 2013 02:17 (six years ago) link

anyway. this fucking band.

charlie h, Saturday, 30 March 2013 02:19 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

I think it's "Bubble" for me now

crüt, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:34 (two years ago) link

I was staying in a caravan on a headland in Cornwall in 2001. One night, after walking miles along the coast into Padstow (it was right in the middle of it being taken over by Rick Stein and attendant halfwits), I ended up in a boozer drinking with a couple of blokes who were stunned I'd not heard of Kozelek and who invited me back to their house to listen to RHP. The track I remember getting sunk in (through the haze - of drink and memory) was Smokey - the guitar tone, the languor, the edge-of-meaning of Kozelek's reluctant delivery, the oddly flat depths of it - and despite going backwards and forwards with Kozelek since, it's still the track that has the most impact on me. It's one of those tracks that's like dropping a time capsule pill: when I put it on, I can still access the onset of a hangover, see the cheap fake mahogany sideboard and hear the traffic outside.

So yeah, Smokey. I'd not heard that acoustic version before. Lovely.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 8 September 2017 18:30 (two years ago) link

i feel like the songs on old ramon tend to attach themselves to really specific times and places. whenever i hear "smokey" i'm always driving back to my apartment in reno from class, the highway covered in snow

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 8 September 2017 19:19 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

"void"

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 17:44 (three weeks ago) link

Yup. I recall that waiting for the eventual release of Old Ramon, this was THE VERSION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rhjAF9oQyc

doug watson, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 18:14 (three weeks ago) link

loosen and stretch its ancient strings until it sounds the way i feel

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 January 2020 18:18 (three weeks ago) link

That photograph in the youtube link is perfect. Kozelek music up until 2014 always transports me to those peaceful but eerie & lonely winter rural-suburban landscapes where I grew up (northern NJ - Hudson Valley).

Evan, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 18:30 (three weeks ago) link

whereas his new music transports me to some suburban mall of hell where there is nothing to eat but cold Sbarro (this is the name of his next album)

akm, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 22:57 (three weeks ago) link

It's dawning on me, that Old Ramon might be my favourite RHP.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:42 (two weeks ago) link

i'll always love rollercoaster the most but it's close between the two

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:43 (two weeks ago) link

This version of Smokey. Jeesh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjVspW4kvQ

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 20:42 (two weeks ago) link

whereas his new music transports me to some suburban mall of hell where there is nothing to eat but cold Sbarro (this is the name of his next album)

― akm, Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yup, or a poorly formatted blog by that annoying guy at all the town hall meetings

Evan, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 21:18 (two weeks ago) link

This thread and the mention of Old Ramon remind me that I ought to finally check out that album and Songs for a Blue Guitar. In spite of being a RHP fan for twenty-odd years now, I've never gone beyond the 4AD years, since Ocean Beach seemed like such a fitting capstone to the albums that came before it.

Melomane, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 22:29 (two weeks ago) link

it's kind of funny bc he definitely reached a sort of pre-peak prior to GotGH i think w some of his records that got relatively little attention att (old ramon i guess for the obv label fallout reasons, the ac/dc/john denver ep's, bc they were seen as oddball side projects). Old Ramon is incredible. I was going to look at his website the other day to look at what he's been up to or what his end of the year favorites were or whatevr, but I think it would just kind of bum me out

dell (del), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 22:37 (two weeks ago) link

his transition seemed so extreme and dramatic that I almost want to attribute it to some neurological diminishment or something, but i guess he just got bored of doing whatever he had been doing w rhp and earlier skm. oh well...

dell (del), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 22:40 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I've said this before but I really wish, and it would have made no sense from a marketing standpoint given the success of Benji, that at that point he changed to a new moniker. I hate having to say one of my favorites is SKM but with a flashing red asterisk. It's just so much different but has been so consistently THAT ever since Benji. This project should have had its own name. I don't think he's even capable of doing anything different, which kind of plays into your neurological diminishment theory but we shouldn't go there.

Evan, Thursday, 9 January 2020 01:30 (two weeks ago) link

"His transition seemed so extreme and dramatic that I almost want to attribute it to some neurological diminishment or something."

^ I've had this thought about Morrissey.

djh, Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:15 (two weeks ago) link

Old Ramon grew on me; it was mythical for a few years there and then someone slipped me a tape of it before it finally came out and I was pretty disappointed and it took a long time to get over that. I preferred how those songs sounded live, etc. But I like it a lot now.

Songs for a Blue Guitar is magical, one of his best albums. Maybe it shouldn't have been called RHP since none of them are on it but you wouldn't really know that from listening to it.

akm, Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:56 (two weeks ago) link

(GotGH has more RHP members on it than Songs)

akm, Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:57 (two weeks ago) link

huh i wonder who on earth plays on songs for a blue guitar beyond koz

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 January 2020 00:03 (two weeks ago) link

occurs to me that altho i love RHP i think I've only heard the first 3 albums

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 00:16 (two weeks ago) link

Songs for a Blue Guitar has Michael Urbano on drums and Davey Faraghar on bass; Bruce Kaphan played pedal steel on Have You Forgotten. I'm not sure if there was another guitar player, probably not, doesn't sound like it. Anthony and Jerry both played on GotGH.

akm, Friday, 10 January 2020 02:22 (two weeks ago) link

Dan Barbee was also thanked but I don't know if he played keys or something, or just worked on engineering.

akm, Friday, 10 January 2020 02:23 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I've said this before but I really wish, and it would have made no sense from a marketing standpoint given the success of Benji, that at that point he changed to a new moniker. I hate having to say one of my favorites is SKM but with a flashing red asterisk. It's just so much different but has been so consistently THAT ever since Benji. This project should have had its own name. I don't think he's even capable of doing anything different, which kind of plays into your neurological diminishment theory but we shouldn't go there.

i remember reading some interview w todd rundgren in which he said he got "bored" of writing perfect pop songs (e.g. I Saw The Light) and that prompted his divergence(?) into prog and whatever. my working theory is something like that w koz. got bored of doing really pretty guitar things and neil young-ing poignant lyrics about love and love lost and life and life lost, and became fixated on the modest mouse guy and goodness knows who else's approach to doing music/vox. i guess he's always been super-contrarian and whatever, so in a sense it's on brand? He wrote/sang a bunch of stuff about hating touring, being in the "indie" musician ghetto etc. i think at some point, or still he really wanted to pursue acting. i mean, God bless him, and I feel bad for speculating about his career path or being annoying guy posting on a message board about his choices... just confusing to me. Benji was awesome of course, but it's not something that you can listen to repeatedly obv. But I also don't want to listen to someone's audio diary about eating drunken crab at his favorite thai restaurant.

dell (del), Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:46 (one week ago) link

I think I said this elsewhere, but if feels to me like he was experimenting with looser/less fussy songwriting and arranging on Benji, and its success made him realize he could invest way less sheer effort into a given song and be equally or more rewarded commercially, especially since he can be a lot more prolific that way.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 19:52 (one week ago) link

one thing is that there are signals of that shift in direction as early as "wop a din din," a song about how much he loves his cat and hates going on tour bc he has to leave his cat behind

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 January 2020 19:56 (one week ago) link

overall i think he should've written more songs about cats though

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 January 2020 19:57 (one week ago) link

kozelek can have a little cat

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:09 (one week ago) link

I guess we've all got bored of something? Or found that we couldn't do something that we previously could?

djh, Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:24 (one week ago) link

I haven't listened to anything since Perils and don't feel the need to at the moment. I think it's worth taking the long view though. The Dylan comparison is fraught and lazy but who knows what it's like up there. He might have a New Morning moment, work this out and find a new space.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:35 (one week ago) link

I think 'Blue Guitar' and 'Old Ramon' are my favourite RHP albums. I always liked how they sound, and I think 'Old Ramon' was the first RHP studio album I bought.

I started to drift away from Sun Kil Moon when the nylon strung guitar took over. I wish Mark well as he follows his instinct.

michaellambert, Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:16 (one week ago) link


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