Favourite Van Der Graaf Generator Album?

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* Godbluff (Oct 1975) 32
* Pawn Hearts (Oct 1971) 15
* H to He, Who Am the Only One (Dec 1970) 14
* The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other (Feb 1970) 10
* Trisector (March 2008) 8
* Still Life (April 1976) 7
* The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome (Sept 1977) 6
* The Aerosol Grey Machine (Sept 1969) 6
* World Record (Oct 1976) 4
* Present (April 2005) 2
* Time Vaults (Jan 1982) (out-takes from 1972-1975) 0


pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

Where's "Vital"?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

I just copied it from wikipedia.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

You should know better by now... tho' I can't imagine many people voting for "Vital"

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

plus it wasnt in the previous poll either
Best Van der Graaf Generator Album

and tom d never votes anyway

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

godbluff for me, it has the best balance of the earlier noisier freak out stuff and the more "hammill solo song-based" thing.

akm, Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

That was studio albums only though, I think I did vote in that poll! (xp)

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

well i only do studio albums, you know that!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Vital is technically Van der Graaf rather than VdGG, which I guess is why it doesn't appear in a half-arsed list on home of half-arsed factoids Wikipedia.

Anyway, obv I'm gonna vote AGAIN for Still Life because it is perfect in every conceivable way. Hammill solo poll potentially more interesting at this point in ILVdGG.

Also, don't sleep on Trisector, kids, it builds slow but the second half is FUCKING HARDCORE.

Calamari Merkin (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 July 2009 20:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

jim, you do realise it didn't appear in your previous half-arsed poll, right? ;)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 July 2009 20:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think I left it out cos it's a live set. Plus I said exactly the same shit about doing a Hammill poll on the last one too :-D

Calamari Merkin (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 July 2009 20:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hammill's solo stuff with crazy restaurant violin guy works better than the Van der Graaf stuff for me, tbh.

Calamari Merkin (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 July 2009 20:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Only one I ever owned is "Still Life," and it's been so long since I've played it that I'm not sure if I still have it. Trying to refresh my memory by listening to snippets online I got to "My Room (Waiting For Wonderland)" and went "Aha! So that's what that somber-yet-beautiful song is that pops up in my head from time to time!" LOVE the melody line to that.

Such A Hilbily (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 30 July 2009 20:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

Vital is technically Van der Graaf rather than VdGG, which I guess is why it doesn't appear in a half-arsed list on home of half-arsed factoids Wikipedia.

I'm one of the people who keeps an eye on the VdGG and PH pages on Wikipedia, and I resent your calling it a "half-arsed list". The reason it's not there has nothing to do with it being VdG (Quiet Zone is there, see?), but because it's a live album rather than a studio album. And it's the person's call who sets the poll what stays in and what stays out. I posted a Tindersticks poll the other day, and I restricted it to studio albums even though Live at Bloomsbury Theatre is a fucking essential 'Sticks record. The idea of these polls is that they trace the development of an artist over time, and live albums aren't strictly part of that trajectory.

Oh and by the way, you can find Vital in the list of VdGG live albums on Wikipedia. I know, because I put it there myself.

anagram, Thursday, 30 July 2009 22:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Right, having got that off my chest, the poll. It has to be Still Life, which is just the most perfect slice of art rock you will ever hear, from the bleak and harrowing title track, to the desolate apocalyptic vision of "Childlike Faith...", via the upsetting and perversely tuneful "My Room" and the gleeful intensity of "Pilgrims" and "La Rossa". Jackson and Banton are on fire, Evans' percussion is ceaselessly creative and sympathetic, while Hammill sings like he has some chilling connection to the mysteries of the cosmos.

anagram, Thursday, 30 July 2009 22:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

chill dude. Tom d was just doing what he does on every poll. He always looks for one thats missing something that noone would vote for and makes a joke complaint. its just his way!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 July 2009 22:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

faves ranked:
=The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome (top/equal cos of side 1, my fave Van Der Graaf Generator side)
=Godbluff
Still Life
Pawn Hearts
=The Least We Can Do...
=H To He...
tuthers (haven't heard enough of most recent two to judge)

Paul, Thursday, 30 July 2009 23:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

h to he etc. impact hammill/vdgg had on favorites like current 93, legendary pink dots, and destroyer cannot be overstated

kamerad, Friday, 31 July 2009 00:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hey anagram, apologies if you were provoked. I was having a lazy dig at Wiki, not a lazy dig at you. As I said, I too left Vital off the original poll cos it's a live album.

Calamari Merkin (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 July 2009 07:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

"h to he"

MAN PERISH (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 31 July 2009 07:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp no worries Noodle Vague. I'm new here and still finding my way.

anagram, Friday, 31 July 2009 08:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

theory: form/flow of Godbluff possibly inspired by (Roy Harper) Stormcock?

Paul, Friday, 31 July 2009 11:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

bump

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 August 2009 12:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't listen to Van der Graaf enough — they totally made the brass/woodwinds work better than most prog flute-harasser types did.

(did anyone catch the prog night on bbc4 the other day? i was watching the documentary and thought 'this would be better if it was eight hours long'. also, robert wyatt is such a mensch.)

thomp, Sunday, 2 August 2009 13:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

I didn't.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

Is it on again soon?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=prog

the prog at the bbc compilation of clips might be a bit more essential, the documentary ('prog rock britannia: an observation in three movements') falls back on received wisdom and just whoever-we-could-get interviewees, and makes other mistakes, too, like allowing ian anderson to speak

thomp, Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

ahh right thanks. virginmedia has the iplayer on my tv so i'll catch up with it there.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

I own and enjoy all of these (except for the very latest--haven't picked that up yet). I need to do some more listening to really choose a favorite though.

The first I ever got was Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other which always impressed me with the heavy doom ending of White Hammer and the tiny epigraph in the gatefold in which they thanks "Alice for the Doughnut".

Nate Carson, Sunday, 2 August 2009 21:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Geir what is your fave?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 August 2009 22:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

all 4 parts ^

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 16:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Geir what is your fave?

Waiting for LOLs as Geir says they are insufficiently melodic

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 16:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Even Geir must love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVBP6VezTgs

Anyone who doesn't must be nuts.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 17:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

And I'm glad this guy from the comments page isn't on ILX


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I've been meaning to listen to this band for years and now that I have a chance thanks to You and the tube my first impression brings a question to mind. If anything was possible what if Nico (of Velvet Underground fame) were to sing the lead ? I mean no disrespect I just wonder what your thoughts on that would be.
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I am going to see the band, as opposed to Peter Hamill alone or with guests, tomorrow. For the first time ever. (Although Hammill did brush against my arm by accident circa 1982.) And your Nico idea is making me gag. It's such a weird culture clash. It's like saying, What if we got Donny Osmond to sing lead for the Dead Kennedys?
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A weird German chick who liked to hang out in the New York gay scene? How does that correlate with progressive at all? I've been trying to remember, and to the best of my knowledge, there is only 1 gay musician in the entire field of progressive rock. It's not a place Nico is going to feel right at home in.
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I saw John Cale solo live maybe 25 years ago. As far as I'm concerned, progressive fans and Velvets fans are two distinct camps with not a lot of overlap in personnel. One man's opinion.
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Velvets. Andy Warhol album cover! Who else has an Andy Warhol album cover. The Stones. Progressive fans detest the Stones. Progressives love the Beatles, and hate the Stones, Nico, Warhol, and cheap sleazy full-of-itself junk like that. Progressives like Tales from Topographic Oceans, something that's ambitious, personal and honest, not the cruddy bloody Rolling Stones strutting and posturing fakely like a bunch of proto-rap goofballs.
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Dude, you are a dirtbag piece of shit racist and you give ALL progressive music fans a bad name.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 17:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Whenever I made cdrs or tapes for people I always put Afterwards on them.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 17:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

noodle vague are you all talked out on VDGG?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 20:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

Who wrote "Afterwards"? It wasn't Hammill...

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 10:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

argh i cant find my cd to check the credits

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 15:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's a Hammill song. AMG seems to erroneously credit it to a guy called Peter Kirtley, who has an instrumental piece with the same title. But the AMG description of the VdGG song clearly ascribes it to Hammill, and the fact that he has the lyrics up on his Sofasound website clinches the deal for me.

well known on the morris dancing scene (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 16:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

"there is only 1 gay musician in the entire field of progressive rock"

- suggestions?

thomp, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 16:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

no idea

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 19:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Thanks Noodle. It was AMG that threw me off.

As for gay prog, is that a stab at Rush?

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 19:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

I think at least one of the guys in IQ was gay and out but I don't suppose that's who the original douche was referring to on that comment box.

well known on the morris dancing scene (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

who was he referring to just out of curiosity ?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

Not really a great one for knowing or caring about musician's private lives, and I can't think of any prog musicians off the top of my head who've made a big deal of their sexuality.

well known on the morris dancing scene (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Prog musicians have sex?

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

i didn't mean anything derogatory by flagging it up, i just found it so wtf as a statement i spent several full seconds looking at it making the o_o face

the first GIS image result for 'gay prog rock musician' seems to be rick wakeman, but i couldn't believe that for a second, all his camping is way too unintentional

there's a prog board somewhere where they're discussing the issue and someone says lindsay cooper. not sure which lindsay cooper they meant. not really any of my business.

probably, however, the original poster meant freddie mercury :/

thomp, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

I finally voted He to He. It's a tough poll because so many of these albums are so good.

Nate Carson, Monday, 10 August 2009 08:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Indeed. I do wonder how the albums from the last few years will do however.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

or indeed the 1st album. 0 for them all maybe?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

i really, really like the first record. but i really like that early prog period generally. but i can't imagine anyone thinking its their best.

ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

currently listening to 'the least we can do' and it's pretty good

cockles (country matters), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 10 August 2009 23:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

vote!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Now!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Please?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

wau @ turnout even if 15 of them were pfunkboy socks ;)

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

only 15? at your last count I supposedly had 300 to your 12

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

I voted Still Life fwiw

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

anyway the most important vote was Geirs. What did he vote for?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

worth doing a hammill poll or shall we just declare Nadir's Big Chance the winner now and be done with it?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

not to distract, but seems as good a place as any given content above...
somewhere online (that I haven't been able to find again) I read a review of Yes - Going For the One, which stated (erroneously?) that U.S. audience/fans deserted en masse and didn't buy as many of the album, cos there was a rumour at the time that Yes were gay:
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/yes/11-1.jpg

considering Rush seemed to have joined in the following year, the implications are funny, especially when you consider the likes of Peter 'Sleazy' Christopherson and his UK art gang may have subversively manipulated prog visual trends (see rumours about cover of U.F.O. - Force It for additional reference).

nice to see Godbluff at #1, Still Life way too low.

Paul, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

I was thinking about GFTO during the naked female form thread. Maintain it should have just been 'naked form'.

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

well it hasnt stopped males on covers being posted. so post away on it

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 01:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Great turnout! Especially considering how often I play VDGG for folks who've never even heard OF them.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 02:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

well you are a dj ;)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 11:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

worth doing a hammill poll or shall we just declare Nadir's Big Chance the winner now and be done with it?

I wouldn't say it was a certain winner, some of it's not very good

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 12:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

half the shite we vote on here isnt very good but it still wins!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

This is true

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

when you consider the likes of Peter 'Sleazy' Christopherson and his UK art gang may have subversively manipulated prog visual trends (see rumours about cover of U.F.O. - Force It for additional reference).

If you mean that Genesis P-Orridge and Cosey Fanni Tutti are on the cover, then that's no rumour, it's true

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't say it was a certain winner, some of it's not very good

yeah, i'd vote for ph7 or the future now before NBC.

ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

then that's no rumour, it's true

actually, one rumour has it as Pete and Genny!

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

not Hammill, that is - here:
http://www.paranaiv.no/files/images/ufo_force_it75.jpg

VDDG poll's getting Gristlized - VDDG would approve!

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

actually, one rumour has it as Pete and Genny!

Pete never had long hair. Unless it's a wig.

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

(x-post)
though the post-punk/industrial(-folk) band that reminds me of VDDG = Eyeless In Gaza

why? Martyn Bates' OTT vocals, strange lyrics - e.g. the Hammill-worthy: "bite lips to blood in realisation, senses register cacophony"
plus the stark instrumentation, use of organ (lack of fear to write mental/sentimental love songs, Englishness, etc)

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

oops VDDG = VDGG

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

(agreed the dude on the left looks more like Genesis)

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'd recognise that arse anywhere

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

cheeky implants now? (sounds like a line from twatter)

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

twatter

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

did we do a Van Der Graaf epics poll? (couldn't find on search)

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

OK, I've been listening to Godbluff all afternoon and it's clicked.

You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 14:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

Truly the band of the 70's.

You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 14:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

fucking told you so
xp

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 24 August 2009 14:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

Pawn Hearts used to be my favourite til I eventually heard Godbluff.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 24 August 2009 14:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

yes you did, well done :P

would still rank them scorched earth >>> the sleepwalkers >>> arrow >>> the undercover man but it's much much closer now, they're all super songs

don't see still life being eclipsed, that record is righteous, and pawn hearts is probably entrenched as my 2nd choice, but this is probably 3rd now, either it or quiet zone/pleasure dome at any rate

You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 14:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

REALLY fucking love quiet zone/pleasure dome

You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 14:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

The Undercover Man is getting better the more I hear it

You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

...but Scorched Earth is a moment in time. It's righteous the way good religious texts are.

You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

I have that Godbluff DVD that I watched maybe 3 times. 'Undercover Man' was the only song that really struck with me at the time because of Hamill's amazing singing on that on. I went out and looked for live recordings of that song and some one of them was really great (forget which). But I didn't vote in this poll because I'm basically only familiar with Godbluff and Pawnhearts. I still would have voted Pawnhearts. I think I need to give Godbluff more listens now.

CaptainLorax, Monday, 24 August 2009 17:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

This band is so good I kinda want to shout it. I think they might be my 2nd-favourite band of all time behind Cardiacs these days.

You are Rebels! You are all yankees (country matters), Monday, 24 August 2009 17:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

Favourite (song on the) Van Der Graaf Generator (debut) Album: "it's all a game". the nice jams with the doors and holy fuck let's tour the multiverse

\m/

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:36 (one week ago) Permalink

I absolutely love "Aquarian"

frogbs, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:48 (one week ago) Permalink

'octopus' for me

exceeeept anyone who pretends it isn't 'afterwards' is fronting lol

imago, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Pawn Hearts

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:30 (one week ago) Permalink

"necromancer". i love peter hammill's ridiculous white magick songs. i was just listening to a live version of "white hammer" from '72 and it fucking slayed. (they also did "aquarian" at that gig!)

does "giant squid" count? i love the squid 1/squid 2/octopus live medley from the rejected second lp of "pawn hearts".

bob lefse (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:20 (one week ago) Permalink


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