WILD MOOD SWINGS (aka the worst Cure album by a country mile)

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Just reading this track list pisses me off. There are some really great songs on here but they are lumped in with so much bland-to-downright-terrible bullshit that it's not even funny. I wish I could have back the months I spent trying to convince myself that "Strange Attraction" was a decent song.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
6. "Mint Car" – 3:32 8
1. "Want" – 5:06 6
7. "Jupiter Crash" – 4:15 4
4. "The 13th" – 4:08 3
5. "Strange Attraction" – 4:19 3
13. "Treasure" – 3:45 0
12. "Trap" – 3:37 0
11. "Return" – 3:28 0
10. "Numb" – 4:49 0
9. "Gone!" – 4:31 0
8. "Round & Round & Round" – 2:39 0
3. "This Is a Lie" – 4:29 0
2. "Club America" – 5:02 0
14. "Bare" – 7:57 0


Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Do Not

One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol

I gotta rep for "The 13th", "Trap", "Treasure" and "Bare" too. "Jupiter Crash", "Gone!" and "Round & Round & Round" are also decent enough but not strong enough to make up for the rest of this fucking thing.

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm kind of a sucker for Jupiter Crash, especially the lyrics.

ledge, Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

I listened to Bare the other day. It was actually quite good, in a VERY understated, low-key, not-anywhere-near-as-sublime-as-early-Cure-low-key-closers-but-still-affecting way. I only listened to it because it surely had to justify its length somehow. Have rarely if ever gotten as far as Trap or Treasure. May rectify this.

One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

"This Is a Lie" sounds good in my memory at least.

ledge, Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like the 3-against-2 polyrhythms in it but they don't really do anything with it; it just kind of sits there not bothering to become really awesome.

Half the songs on this album do this really irritating thing where they build up to a point where they're about to become really awesome... and then stop. One of the reasons I like "Trap" so much is because it doesn't sound abbreviated.

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

("This Is A Lie" would have been better with a different vocal arrangement IMO.)

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

At the end of the day, this album is sunk by the 1-2 punch at the start. After that it can wibble all it likes but it's already broken every heart in the room.

One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

The "Trap"/"Treasure"/"Bare" ending would have been a very good EP.

And, WTF with all of the great b-sides???? "Adonais", "Ocean", "It Used To Be Me", "Home", "A Pink Dream", "Waiting"... all better than practically every song on this album!

(also I would have been much more impressed had they put the Ultra Living remix of "Gone!" on the album than the original)

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is a great album. Voted "Mint Car", of course, but "This Is a Lie", "Strange Attraction" and "Gone!" are also fantastic songs. One of the best Cure albums ever, and by far their most underrated!

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is the one album where the ppl who are all "The Cure ceased to exist after 1989" are actually correct.

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

pooollll blooooodflooooweerrrrssss

One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd do a "worst song on Bloodflowers" poll just so I could campaign for "Where The Birds Always Sing".

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think I've only ever listened to this album once, and it was when it came out (so... 14 years ago?). I don't feel comfortable participating in this poll, but I remember it sucking pretty uniformly.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

:D and I'd vote for that pesky opening track just because. Out of SPITE. xp

One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I remember having a bad hunch about this album so I don't think I actually listened to it until...like 1999 or so. Probably for the best.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love how Club America sounds like it might be another accomplished guitar-heavy rave-up for about 45 seconds, then a not-terrible song for 2 and a half minutes, and then there's that middle-eight to crush all hope...the tone's all wrong. Mood swings don't SUIT The Cure. They can do single moods fantastically, but only if they commit to them. Club America is a tonal mess and the rest of the album follows suit.

One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Debating btw "13th" and "Trap"

Gigolo Grasiento (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

The only good reason to own this album is The 13th, the last hurrah of Robert Smith as exquisite weird pop purveyor.
I sort of like even Want, but the rest of the lp basically is a wreck.

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

PRobably gonna get pelted for this, but I love Mint Car and it will be first dance at my wedding.

dog latin, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Want is good too, but I haven't heard the rest of the album.

dog latin, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love Mint Car and it will be first dance at my wedding.

Grounds for divorce. (Then again I'm not marrying you so never mind.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Used to own this, and I can recall the first six songs (to varying degrees of enjoyment) and NONE of the last eight.

da croupier, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

I reviewed this for my college paper! (don't remember what I gave it; not a good review)

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Don't really get the "Mint Car" hate. it's a shameless rewrite of the last album's "hooray for love!" stuff, but there are worse things they could rewrite. stuck between "want" and "the 13th" though honestly all of them seem so inessential. If "the 13th" wins its for inspiring the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N9piZjt_k8

wish they did more with sophie muller

da croupier, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

"The sun is up, I'm so happy I could scream"

I could never get enough of that kind of songs. "Mint Car" is one of the best ever Cure songs, only beaten by "Let's Go To Bed" and "Friday I'm In Love". I LOVE HAPPY TWEE SONGS!

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

And "Wild Mood Swings" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Cure"

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Btw. this should have been called "This is a Poll" :)

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

No it shouldn't have.

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

'want' by a very significant margin. though to be honest, i think i haven't heard a number of these songs more than once.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 30 July 2009 16:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love this record. It's general mood is not what you expect from the Cure, but that's part of why I like it so much. Just got the 2xLP not too long ago for cheap. Not sure why there is any distaste for this record.

pipecock, Thursday, 30 July 2009 18:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Because it's terrible?

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

only clicked on this thread for reliable Geir lols

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 30 July 2009 19:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

(xp)

I mean, if you want a list of the problems by song:

"Want" is good but gets chopped off right when the song becomes interesting.
"Club America" is a shambling mess of bad ideas executed poorly.
"This Is A Lie" is a nice-enough instrumental arrangement ruined by some truly atrocious vocals and lyrics.
"The 13th" is an unambiguously good song, but it's kind of a problem when you have to go past the first three songs to find something that isn't truncated, completely ill-conceived or just mangled by poor editing/execution.
"Strange Attraction" is a self-indulgent piece of poisonous horseshit.
"Mint Car" is an attempt to do wide-eyed, sweet and charming that winds up sounding plodding, trite and overwrought.
"Jupiter Crash" has some nice musical ideas in it but isn't allowed to develop into anything.
"Round & Round & Round" works well as a live jam but sound completely enervating on the album.
"Gone!" does actually work but has such a bonkers vocal on it that it's almost guaranteed to turn most people off.
"Numb" is a good song that may lie a little too far on the static side to really grab people's attention; that's probably intentional given the subject matter but it would have been more effective with cleverer lyrics.
"Return" is a frightmarish attempt to do mania that basically trips all over itself and doesn't succeed in being anything but hyper-annoying.
"Trap" is a good song that actually develops within the framework of its running time and doesn't have a wholly embarrassing vocal on it.
"Treasure" is a nice, quiet song that does capture the wistful mood of the lyrics very well.
"Bare" is one of the only songs on the album that feels like it has space to breathe due to its longer running time; it's also one of the few tracks allowed to grow organically as opposed to being smashed from one part to another or cut off right when things sound like they're going to become interesting. Unfortunately, the placid, mellow timbre of the song makes it kind of boring.

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 19:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Those are all terrible reasons to dislike those tracks.

pipecock, Friday, 31 July 2009 01:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like Mint Car but I also don't. I voted for it and wish I hadn't.

billstevejim, Friday, 31 July 2009 05:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

(LJ, I'm betting that if you listen to the last 3 songs in isolation from the rest of the album, you will like them a hell of a lot more.)

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 17:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Apologies to Robert, but it's all downhill from "Want" (an admittedly stunning opener) on this album.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 31 July 2009 17:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

I remember having a bad hunch about this album so I don't think I actually listened to it until...like 1999 or so. Probably for the best.

― Ned Raggett,

I avoided it until at least 2003.

akm, Friday, 31 July 2009 18:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've never even heard this. I quit the Cure after Wish.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 31 July 2009 18:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

FTR this is the only post-Wish album worth avoiding, although it's better to get the Japanese edition of The Cure than the US/UK one.

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 18:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

true, but that's still a frustrating experience (as was the last record)

akm, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha I am on record as someone who strenuously disagrees with that so I'm not going to get into all of that again

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm with akm more or less, though I understand your reasons for disagreeing and also will not get into it.

I was torn because I felt compelled to vote for the WORST song on the album to fit with the general tenor of the question.

Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 1 August 2009 02:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

agreed that this is the worst Cure album.

i was going to try and listen before voting but that didn't happen. "Treasure"

Bee OK, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 06:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

god this was awful. this was the off-the-bus point for all the huge cure fans i knew.

piscesx, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 06:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 6 August 2009 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

What the hell is wrong with people

I am over wieght and I have angelical quilities (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 August 2009 23:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hate Dredd Song but aside from that, this is the album they should have put out

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Sunday, 16 July 2017 05:04 (one week ago) Permalink

I've never listened to the WMS b-sides so I'll check those out

as far as I can remember the real highlight of the last few albums was Underneath the Stars

ufo, Sunday, 16 July 2017 05:26 (one week ago) Permalink

WMS is a really interesting transitional Cure record, in some ways it reminds me of The Top (which is my personal favourite).

I really love the lighter moments like Round & Round & Round, the 13th, Strange Attraction, etc.

That sense of weightless fun is something missing for me from every subsequent album.

Birds in Hell, Sunday, 16 July 2017 07:30 (one week ago) Permalink

'Underneath the Stars', funnily enough, dates from around the time of Wish, I think. Even so, there's tracks on 4:13 Dream I like more, and Wild Mood Swings has its moments too.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 11:42 (one week ago) Permalink

B sides from the 'Wish' sessions >>>>>>>> all post 'Disintegration' output (even if they're all a bit on-the-nose!)

yesca, Sunday, 16 July 2017 13:10 (one week ago) Permalink

Yes, 'Underneath the Stars' was actually a revision of the song 'Uyea Sound' which was recorded during the Wish sessions and got released on the limited cassette only Lost Wishes.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Sunday, 16 July 2017 13:23 (one week ago) Permalink

If anybody already owns the music and would be interested in this version (with some segues and stuff), drop me a line and I'll share a link. It's really growing on me--given the consensus (here at least) seems to be that 'Wild Mood Swings' was a swing and a miss, kinda wish they'd put out something like this instead, or also.


https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/folder.jpg?w=800

The Cure - 'This Is A Lie'
'Wild Mood Swings' Reconsidered

01 - Adonais
02 - Jupiter Crash*
03 - A Pink Dream
04 - Treasure*
05 - Home
06 - Waiting
07 - Dredd Song
08 - It Used to Be Me
09 - Numb*
10 - Ocean
11 - Bare*
12 - This Is A Lie (Ambient Mix)

Total Time: 53:43

* From 'Wild Mood Swings'

Soundslike, Sunday, 16 July 2017 15:22 (one week ago) Permalink

I also made my own version of Wild Mood Swings some years back and it's the only way I've listened to the album ever since. It goes:

01 Want
02 Waiting
03 Home
04 This is a Lie
05 Ocean
06 Jupiter Crash
07 Treasure
08 The 13th
09 Adonais
10 A Pink Dream
11 Mint Car
12 Gone!
13 Trap
14 Numb
15 It Used to be Me
16 Bare

I'm listening to Lost Wishes as I type this and it's absolutely glorious.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Sunday, 16 July 2017 15:25 (one week ago) Permalink

Ha I wonder how many people are in the same boat--made an edit, and never went back to the actual album? Hopefully Smith et al wouldn't be offended too badly. . .

Soundslike, Sunday, 16 July 2017 15:35 (one week ago) Permalink

I did the same thing with the self-titled 2004 album, as the b-sides from those sessions were a lot stronger than the proper album as well.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Sunday, 16 July 2017 15:36 (one week ago) Permalink

'Jupiter Crash' is one of the songs I would cut, tbh.

'Want', 'The 13th' and 'Mint Car' would all be easy inclusions!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:08 (one week ago) Permalink

I like 'The 13th,' just didn't fit the sound that started coalescing. I'm keeping it as a bonus track "non-album single" hehe.

Want probably fits, but I just wanted to get it down to a shorter run time, had to be harsh. Mint car is fun--another good non-album single for me ; )

Soundslike, Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, shorter run time is always good... pretty much every Cure album from Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me onwards is far too long, IMO. I've always preferred the vinyl config of Disintegration, for example!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:22 (one week ago) Permalink

'Jupiter Crash' is one of the songs I would cut, tbh.

You are not in the majority here.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:09 (one week ago) Permalink

I may very well not be, but that doesn't stop me from disliking the track.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Well, I wrote about four long paragraphs and I accidentally reloaded the page and lost all that I had written.

Basically, I said The Cure and their American label misread the American audience, who they were heavily invested in at the time. They recorded an album that wasn't consistent stylistically, instead dabbling in many very different styles, which is what Smith wanted but not something that is usually well-received. It was an answer to a lot of critics who said the band had grown stale. Apparently, they always had fun playing in private as a band, but had to put on an image they felt obligated to stick to because that is what people expected of them. They finally seemed to be really enjoying themselves in front of an audience around the time Wild Mood Swings was released, though.

The album definitely suffered from an identity crisis. I remember they played Round & Round & Round on an American late-night TV show instead of the singles around that time. I think early on, management had no idea how to advertise the album.

It took me a year to buy the CD (around 1997) and the singles. I hated the album but thought "Treasure" and "Bare" were some of the best songs they had ever written. "Waiting" was good, too.

In retrospect, "Jupiter Crash" is probably one of their most inventive songs, starting with the very non-Cure drum pattern down to the lyrical content. A lot of the album was about going into uncharted territory for the band, which they successfully did. There are references to all of Smith's influences. I always thought the acoustic guitar and strings sections was his attempt at Nick Drake-style songs.

My Wild Mood Swings-era track list would be:

1. Adonais
2. Waiting
3. Numb
4. A Pink Dream
5. Jupiter Crash
6. Treasure
7. Ocean
8. Bare

the sound of space, Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:25 (one week ago) Permalink

^^^ that's a great tracklist

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 16 July 2017 21:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Thank you!

That tracklist or "album" should really be called something like "Ocean," because most of the songs' lyrics and sounds have some type of ebbing and flowing imagery, as if the songs are seeping in and out life, like slowly opening and closing your eyes resisting death.

It's the death of a part of oneself and a relationship, in my opinion.

i n f i n i t y (∞), Sunday, 16 July 2017 23:06 (one week ago) Permalink

:-)

the sound of space, Sunday, 16 July 2017 23:10 (one week ago) Permalink

The actual tour was very good indeed. (As I mentioned, I didn't actually hear the album until some years later, but I had no problem at all seeing them again live.) Loved the broken-down funhouse set. The show I caught

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-cure/1996/irvine-meadows-irvine-ca-7bd7eac0.html

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 July 2017 23:14 (one week ago) Permalink

I remember Tommy Vance on VH-1 introducing the video to "Mint Car" upon its release as a single back in '96, and him branding the band as "sad" ...

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 23:25 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm with Turrican and would totally cut "Jupiter Crash." I am surprised to see it in everyone's revised WMS tracklists. The only good thing I can say about it is it isn't as terrible as "Strange Attraction" - which is just offensively bad. I'd keep:

Want
This Is A Lie
The 13th
Mint Car
Return
Bare

lingereffect (Kent Burt), Monday, 17 July 2017 03:01 (one week ago) Permalink

"Mint Car" and "Return" rank among the worst songs The Cure have ever recorded. Also, people are sleeping very hard on "Trap".

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 13:36 (one week ago) Permalink

'Return' hasn't aged well for me at all, but 'Mint Car' remains giddy fun and 'Trap' rules.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:09 (one week ago) Permalink

not a Cure fan by any stretch but the top two songs in this poll are among my favourites by them

Shat Parp (dog latin), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:38 (one week ago) Permalink

i mean, why would you hate on Mint Car?

Shat Parp (dog latin), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:38 (one week ago) Permalink

"Mint Car" is an attempt to do wide-eyed, sweet and charming that winds up sounding plodding, trite and overwrought.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:41 (one week ago) Permalink

works for me

Shat Parp (dog latin), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:44 (one week ago) Permalink

'Want' was on a free cassette with Select magazine back in 1996 and I remember really liking it.

Shat Parp (dog latin), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:45 (one week ago) Permalink

"Want" was a poor man's poor man's "Open" (yes, you read that correctly), and the same goes for "Mint Car" as a concept explored in "Doing the Unstuck." I believe these were discussed at the time of their release. I suppose new Cure fans or those unfamiliar with their work would be more likely to like them.

"The 13th" as a single seems to be the weirdest part of that album.

the sound of space, Monday, 17 July 2017 17:51 (one week ago) Permalink

"Want" is 100% a poor man's "Open" but it's decent enough as a song in its own right even though I'd always rather listen to "Open".

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 17:59 (one week ago) Permalink

It is. They're great live, too.

the sound of space, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:01 (one week ago) Permalink

"Want" was a poor man's poor man's "Open" (yes, you read that correctly), and the same goes for "Mint Car" as a concept explored in "Doing the Unstuck." I believe these were discussed at the time of their release. I suppose new Cure fans or those unfamiliar with their work would be more likely to like them.

Mmmyeah, I disagree with this since I couldn't be any more familiar with their work and I like both 'Want' and 'Mint Car' plenty. I probably prefer 'Want' to 'Open', if I'm to be really honest.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Surely we can all agree that "Club America" is a terrible, terrible song?

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:07 (one week ago) Permalink

As a song it's not particularly great, but it has some neat ideas - I like the guitar riff for example. It's one of those tracks where there's something in it, but it still needs a lot of work.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:10 (one week ago) Permalink

club america is bad clunky britpop, i really have no idea how it happened

adam, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I would argue that the "something" it has is a unique combination of "nonsense" and "horseshit"

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:19 (one week ago) Permalink

No, the "nonsense" and the "bullshit" is what prevents the "something" that it has from reaching its full potential.

club america is bad clunky britpop, i really have no idea how it happened

― adam, Monday, July 17, 2017 6:10 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hmm, I don't know about britpop, but it was the mid '90s...

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:05 (one week ago) Permalink

'Want' is a revisiting of 'Never Enough' and RS has gone on to admit as much.

I personally have a very soft spot for 'Gone!' which is one of the band's oddest singles. Obviously an attempt at rehashing the "quote en quote jazz" feeling of 'The Lovecats' but with a bit of mixing in the uplifting spirit of 'Doing the Unstuck' in place of 'The Lovecats' overt silliness.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:08 (one week ago) Permalink

I'd still agree that this is their worst album, though - even taking into consideration the tracks that I like on it. The Cure and 4:13 Dream have some great tracks on 'em that sadly get overlooked because they're in "past their prime" territory.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:13 (one week ago) Permalink

I fell in love with "Gone!" after a while; it's one of the few experiments on the album that cohered into something I enjoyed. Also, the Ultraliving remix is fantastic.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

i listened to the whole damn thing today, i think the keepers are "want," "mint car," "jupiter crash," "numb," "treasure," and "bare." plus the b-sides discussed above. that's pretty respectable for a consensus worst album! still it'll likely be at least another decade+ before i listen to this record again

adam, Monday, 17 July 2017 20:29 (one week ago) Permalink

the video for 'mint car' was one of the only videos I ever paid to rent via some on-demand pay for video jukebox I had through cable at the time.

akm, Monday, 17 July 2017 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

The "Buskers Mix" of 'Mint Car' that was on the single has long been my favorite version. Too bad it was not on Join the Dots.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 01:33 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm so glad so many are defending 'Mint Car', that song has had so much unnecessary shit thrown at it over the years...

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 03:05 (one week ago) Permalink

So I actually like Wild Mood Swings. It's certainly not my favorite Cure album, but it's not the worst either (I'd give that distinction to the self-titled). It has a few really good songs on it and a number of other songs which I simply find enjoyable. (They've been getting some hate in this thread, but I enjoy "Club America" and "Strange Attraction.") My biggest criticism of the album would be that it's too long. I know it was released during the peak of the CD era, when 60+ minute run times were expected, but for me anyway, once I hit that stretch of single word titled songs on the back end of the album, it's easy to become aware of just how long I've been listening to the album. I've never bothered to come up with an alternate track listing myself, but I think it might have been for the best if they'd cut out a song or two to drop it down to the 45 minute range.

Basically, I said The Cure and their American label misread the American audience, who they were heavily invested in at the time. They recorded an album that wasn't consistent stylistically, instead dabbling in many very different styles, which is what Smith wanted but not something that is usually well-received. It was an answer to a lot of critics who said the band had grown stale. Apparently, they always had fun playing in private as a band, but had to put on an image they felt obligated to stick to because that is what people expected of them. They finally seemed to be really enjoying themselves in front of an audience around the time Wild Mood Swings was released, though.

My theory is that the reception to this album wrecked the band's self-confidence. Everyone focuses on the band's dark side, but they could also be very quirky and strange. After Wild Mood Swings, however, it seems like the Cure started to focus on sounding like what other people thought the Cure should sound like and were less interested in taking chances. It's hard to imagine them coming up with something as unexpected as "The 13th" ever again.

Ex Slacker, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 03:04 (one week ago) Permalink

My theory is that the reception to this album wrecked the band's self-confidence. Everyone focuses on the band's dark side, but they could also be very quirky and strange. After Wild Mood Swings, however, it seems like the Cure started to focus on sounding like what other people thought the Cure should sound like and were less interested in taking chances. It's hard to imagine them coming up with something as unexpected as "The 13th" ever again.

Totally otm.

(I like Club America too.)

Birds in Hell, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, that makes sense when you look at the albums that came after - the band suddenly become backwards-looking.

Like, Bloodflowers was talked up as being part of a "trilogy" with Pornography and Disintegration ... Ross Robinson tried to make The Cure an intense experience like Pornography and 4:13 Dream was essentially Wish part two.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:06 (one week ago) Permalink

i think a lot of the songs on the s/t are extremely weird in a way they hadn't been before. ofc the record also includes "taking off"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:19 (one week ago) Permalink

There's one or two things that have felt like, or hinted at, new ground for them... 'Lost', for example, but they never seemed to explore these avenues further.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:27 (one week ago) Permalink


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