Best Tricky Album Poll

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been listening to PMT quite a bit lately - i think thats definitely his best album (though the rakim remake isnt as interesting as the black steel remake on the first album). maxinquayes good in spots, but its always seemed a bit overrated, not quite the finished article yet. juxtapose is underrated i think. not heard angels in a long time but that was the first tricky album i really got into so i like parts of that too (broken homes was a bit crap though).

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Maxinquaye (1995) 37
Pre-Millennium Tension (1996) 20
Nearly God (1996) 5
Knowle West Boy (2008) 4
Angels with Dirty Faces (1998) 3
Juxtapose (1999) (with DJ Muggs and Grease) 1
Blowback (2001) 1
Vulnerable (2003) 0


titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 08:23 (ten years ago) link

Maxinquaye, definitely if predictably. PMT was when he started raging, eg Vent, which I blame on his love of average 90s alt-rock, although it's still two-thirds genius. Nearly God only works half the time, but when it does it's phenomenal - recently became obsessed with Martina's cover of Black Coffee, with its piano chords of doom. Angels is still too much like hard work though I admire the sticky, corrupted swamp-blues vibe. Juxtapose has some great tunes but no atmosphere and - an enduring handicap - no Martina. Blowback is an intermittently inspired lucky dip. Vulnerable is boring as hell. Knowle West Boy is a step in the right direction. Maxinquaye's the only one that grips me from start to finish. I remember being blown away by Aftermath, even moreso by Ponderosa, and counting the days till the album came out.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 08:54 (ten years ago) link

'vent' is pretty incredible though, the paranoia has a real focus there. and it's about a girl who's stealing his asthma medicine! martina's echoing vox work so well - "i'm the one/who steals his ventolin" - will also rep for 'tricky kid', 'christiansands', 'lyrics of fury' and at least a couple more from PMT.

my fav thing on nearly god is 'i be the prophet', so stately and scary. i'm v attached to that album. how out of place is the weirdly jaunty neneh cherry track which reappeared on her album a year later! and how weird that a track like 'poems' reached the top 30.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 09:00 (ten years ago) link

i mean yeah maxinquaye is the best but i think i should vote for one of those two.

the only other ones i've heard all the way thru are blowback - better than i was expecting! cd is long lost (tho) - and knowle west boy - RETURN TO FORM! trumpeted the press release. it was fucking abysmal.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 09:01 (ten years ago) link

True. The PMT tracks you mention are all phenomenal, as are Makes Me Wanna Die and Bad Dream. It's just a notch below Maxinquaye for me.

Just listening to Bad Dream now. The way Martina says "What can I say? I was having a fucked up day" in this completely callous, dead-eyed way - wow.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 09:07 (ten years ago) link

my favorite songs are on Juxtapose (eg. 'For Real') but it's true that it lacks sth as an album.

Gigolo Grasiento (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 09:09 (ten years ago) link

the grooves on maxinquaye seem a bit ramshackle compared to PMT. everything seems more fuller and better developed on PMT. i dont mind the rage. agree with lex, it had a focus and wasnt just for its own sake. i dont know if i still have it on tape but there was a concert c4 showed around the time of pmt that was amazing.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 09:10 (ten years ago) link

there's quite a lot of shit on PMT too (tho) - can't remember exactly what b/c for the past decade i've only cherrypicked the tracks i like off it

could never decide whether its cover was great or hideous, either

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bk-wO-1564s/SZCW7rSF0yI/AAAAAAAAAj0/3eg-1H-Mbuk/s400/1996premillenniumtensioyw2.jpg

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 09:14 (ten years ago) link

it took me a really long time to notice what he did there on the cover - when I did it went from great to hideous

Gigolo Grasiento (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 09:18 (ten years ago) link

same here. but this is worse -
http://theruffdraft.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/durrty-goodz-ultrasound-2009.jpg

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 09:22 (ten years ago) link

this is so not a contest

unban dictionary (blueski), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:01 (ten years ago) link

Maxinquay>>Nearly God>Angels with Dirty Faces>>>>>>>>>PMT>>>>>>> the rest.

jed_, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:21 (ten years ago) link

Maxinquaye, but "Poems," the Alison Moyet tune, "For Real," and "She Said" are all brilliant.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:47 (ten years ago) link

Just listening to Bad Dream now. The way Martina says "What can I say? I was having a fucked up day" in this completely callous, dead-eyed way - wow.

wow yes. just going back to it now and this is incredible.

this is also the perfect album for being ill to.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 11:54 (ten years ago) link

PMT for me without question. Not only is it more focused than Maxinquaye, it's also more consistent - all the songs sound like part of one album. The only track I still listen to off Maxinquaye is "Hell is Around the Corner." Never liked Angels with Dirty Faces, never heard Nearly God, and everything since Juxtapose (which is funny in a pissed-off-nerd-hits-the-strip-club kind of way) has been crap. Knowle West Boy was one of the worst albums of last year.

unperson, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 12:42 (ten years ago) link

first inclination was maxinquaye but i haven't heard PMT in a long time, seems to me tho right now to be the more interesting one. need to give it a listen. i remember tho there are some incredible tracks on PMT

mark cl, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 12:47 (ten years ago) link

PMT falls apart in its second half, despite the ace Eric B & Rakim cover. Otherwise the Vent-Christiansands-Tricky Kid-Bad Dream-Makes Me Wanna Die whammy is the best music of his career.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 12:53 (ten years ago) link

I agree with Alfred; this was a cd I got used to programming in my own sequence. I vote for PMT anyway, because Maxinquaye seems to me to fall off in the same way, and PMT's first half is stronger.

wide swing juggalo (Euler), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:01 (ten years ago) link

just relistened to PMT for the first time in ages and it's really just the middle that falls apart - the dodgy sex drive/bad things section. it closes strongly, 'piano' is kinda beautiful esp after the claustrophobia which has preceded it.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:04 (ten years ago) link

I can't imagine NOT voting for Maxinquaye. PMT and Nearly God are great but COME ON.

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:04 (ten years ago) link

Point taken about the swampy vibe of AWDF, but, boy, is that album a drag. Juxtapose's "For Real" condenses forty minutes of experiments into one giant guitar and sitar hook.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:05 (ten years ago) link

PMT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maxinquaye

Gigolo Grasiento (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:24 (ten years ago) link

maxinquaye, probably just cuz it's the first. pmt is tougher and more focused, but i like the haziness of maxinquaye. love them both, tho.

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:37 (ten years ago) link

If this poll renders any answer other than Maxinquaye, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call the fearsome Logic Gestapo to come and execute everyone responsible.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:39 (ten years ago) link

The Japanese vinyl edition of Maxinquaye has a cover of Heart's "Alone," Alex! Did you know?

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:41 (ten years ago) link

ha

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:42 (ten years ago) link

PMT

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 13:45 (ten years ago) link

PMT = just the right mix of ominous agitation & pop sense/groove/accessibility

ex-juggalist (Pillbox), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 22:47 (ten years ago) link

"'piano' is kinda beautiful esp after the claustrophobia which has preceded it."

best track on the album by some distance.

jed_, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 22:53 (ten years ago) link

Sympathetic to all the pro PMT/Nearly God arguments here, but reluctantly gotta say Maxinquaye. Less for the (yes, fantastic) singles and more for the amazing tracks buried near the end of the album - "You Don't" and "Feed Me".

Tim F, Thursday, 30 July 2009 00:16 (ten years ago) link

listened to pmt again last night. its still the best one. maxinquaye i think people will go for as its more 'important', the 'first', and reps a certain era more than pmt, but trickys production got a lot better after his debut. pmts thicker/'phatter'/funkier and like someone said upthread, more consistent and cohesive as an album. maxinquaye has dated a bit more too. the only track i dont like too much on pmt is makes me wanna die just cos theres times where it feels like the vocals are slightly out of key.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 30 July 2009 10:48 (ten years ago) link

according to wikipedia, max went to no 3 in the uk charts, but pmt only got to 30. angels and juxtapose both went higher!

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 30 July 2009 10:49 (ten years ago) link

I think I like PMT best because it has the same ugly vibe as There's a Riot Goin' On.

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:47 (ten years ago) link

no qualms whatsoever with Maxinquaye production. practically perfect (murky samples and all).

unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 30 July 2009 13:59 (ten years ago) link

I am voting Maxinquaye almost solely because "Overcome" is my favorite Tricky song by a ludicrously wide margin.

Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:15 (ten years ago) link

pmts just denser overall, which i tend to like in any album.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:36 (ten years ago) link

Ooh, haven't heard this in years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_khmSBRpkY8

I really really miss the tapes I used to have of a couple of Tricky shows from early 97. They're the only 2 tapes I miss out of the 1000s I had, and I've never seen the recordings online anywhere. Full of stuff like this, anyway.

toby, Friday, 7 August 2009 00:12 (ten years ago) link

For some reason Maxinquaye has never clicked for me but the Vent-Christiansands-Tricky Kid-Bad Dream-Makes Me Wanna Die whammy is the best music of his career rings totally true for me

da croupier, Friday, 7 August 2009 00:14 (ten years ago) link

Thanks to this poll, I've got "For Real" on my iPod. Tricky is the only guy whose wow-I'm-famous ruminations totally fascinate me.

Anatomy of a Morbius (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 August 2009 00:20 (ten years ago) link

Another PMT vote here. I like Maxinquaye OK, and the cover of Cold Steel was the track that got me to pay attention to Tricky. But I started listening to him after PMT had come out, so I didn't experience Maxinquaye as something unprecedented, and emotionally for me PMT was the more compelling album, even if it has a drowsy stretch in the second half (as many have noticed). Now that Tricky is irrelevant, PMT is the only one I ever listen to. Yes, the first five track sequence is amazing, as is Piano.

There are parts of Vulnerable that I really like, too. As a whole, it's boring, but there was a great EP buried in there.

Vornado, Friday, 7 August 2009 17:28 (ten years ago) link

This thread is very comforting. I thought I was the only person in the world who never got why Maxinquaye was so much better than PMT.

The PMT cover art is truly horrendous.

Vornado, Friday, 7 August 2009 17:33 (ten years ago) link

its nice if you dont actually look at it carefully which is what i did for years.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 7 August 2009 17:36 (ten years ago) link

nice to see so many pmt fans though. does anyone remember the channel 4 docu on tricky? i used to have on audio tape several live tracks from there (i think, though that might have been another concert show on tv, not sure now) that were superb. he made the studio-live transition so well.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 7 August 2009 17:38 (ten years ago) link

Don't know about Channel 4, but the first time I heard Tricky it was a "Sessions on 54th Street" (?) show on PBS. Tricky, Martine, and band, around the time Pre-Millenium Tension came out. On a double bill with Ani Difranco. They did Cold Steel, Christiansands, and I don't remember what else, but I was transfixed. I spent several years chasing trip-hop before that enthusiasm ran out.

Vornado, Friday, 7 August 2009 18:34 (ten years ago) link

I select Maxinquaye partially because I bought it the week it came out due to me loving Tricky on Massive Attack's first album (for some reason, I hadn't heard Protection; probably I was annoyed that Shara Nelson didn't sing everything on it and pointedly ignored it). Hearing "Overcome" for the first time completely blind to "Karmacoma" was an absolutely flooring experience; I knew the song had to be a reinterpretation of shared lyrics but I really wasn't expecting the raw sexual power of that beat. To this day, I think that is one of the lustiest, most carnal songs I own (and I do think "Karmacoma" sounds kind of fussy and silly in comparison).

When the rest of the album continued to get better and better, I was completely hooked. Pre-Millenium Tension is a great album but came nowhere near the impact of Maxinquaye (or Nearly God) on me.

I am over wieght and I have angelical quilities (HI DERE), Friday, 7 August 2009 18:42 (ten years ago) link

Here's a couple of those West 54th performances mentioned upthread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RVObkXuZ-U&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBpSJ-Lt94A

Moka, Friday, 7 August 2009 18:46 (ten years ago) link

if anyone has that shepherds bush concert from 1997 (i googled and apparently it was shown right after the docu) i would be most grateful.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 7 August 2009 19:31 (ten years ago) link

Anyone care to explain me what the chorus of Christiansands means? I get the rest of the song is breaking down a relationship but I have never been able to make sense of the chorus within the context of the song.

Moka, Friday, 7 August 2009 19:46 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 27 August 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

I think I like PMT best because it has the same ugly vibe as There's a Riot Goin' On.

I didn't know about that, is there an uglier vibe than "Nearly God?"

It's an ugly (but very great) drug album.

kwhitehead, Friday, 28 August 2009 01:32 (ten years ago) link

Dan OTM upthread re: the carnality of the beat on "Overcome."

kind of surprised NG isn't getting more love. Poems is ridiculously good.

Super Cub, Friday, 28 August 2009 07:44 (ten years ago) link

"I think I like PMT best because it has the same ugly vibe as There's a Riot Goin' On."

tricky doesnt really do dry/wry humour like sly stone though, its just ugliness with occasional bits of beauty.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 28 August 2009 12:03 (ten years ago) link

maxinquaye if only because it's one of the top ten best-sequenced albs of the '90s.

y'all are making me want to revisit pmt for the first time in eons though.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 28 August 2009 13:09 (ten years ago) link

There's a video piece from 2001 by the artist Steve McQueen called "Girls, Tricky" that manages to capture a lot of what is being said about Tricky in this thread by filming him in kaleidoscopic close-up while he lays down studio vocals. It's like he's filmed in surround-sound and all of the tense claustrophobia and sexuality of the music is there translated to video. The vocal performance is also quite controlled for all its seeming unhinged or improvised on the spot. I saw it at the Art Institute in Chicago, but it looks like it's no longer there.

society for cutting up (tricky), Friday, 28 August 2009 16:43 (ten years ago) link

maxinquaye if only because it's one of the top ten best-sequenced albs of the '90s.

This is implied in my previous post but not explicitly stated, so thanks for saying it because I think it's integral to my enjoyment of the album.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 28 August 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

What's the name of the bass player in the Christiansands vid above?

phil67, Sunday, 30 August 2009 11:53 (ten years ago) link

Deluxe Maxinquaye due November 2. Bonus tracks include Alex Reece's fantastic Gary Numan-meets-My Sharona mix of Brand New You're Retro:

DISC 2

She Devil (rough monitor mix)
Ponderosa (Dobies Rub Part One)
Slick 66 (commercial 12)
Overcome (Bungle Mix)
Brand New You’re Retro (Alex Reece mix)
Black Steel (Been Caught Steeling mix)
Aftermath (version 1)
Just For The Hate Of It (rough monitor mix)
Karma Coma (accapella – rough monitor mix)
Black Steel (accapella – rough monitor mix)
Overcome (2009 mix by Tricky & Al Riley)
Hell Is Round The Corner (2009 mix by Tricky & Gareth Bowen)
Black Steel (2009 mix by Tricky, Jose Maria & Kidd Rasta)

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 4 September 2009 14:50 (ten years ago) link

Overcome (2009 mix by Tricky & Al Riley)
Hell Is Round The Corner (2009 mix by Tricky & Gareth Bowen)
Black Steel (2009 mix by Tricky, Jose Maria & Kidd Rasta)

^^^^ Know Fear

Tim F, Saturday, 5 September 2009 15:19 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

damn guys this was a good poll!!!!!!!! i never really thought about exactly how much aaamazing stuff peak-tricky put out. like, pmt and maxinquaye are two masterpieces released in consecutive years.

anyways, i just realized today that i prefer pmt. i like its pop sensibility; it's like the nasty vibe of maxinquaye got refined just that little bit. imo nothing on maxinquaye hits the highs of christiansands or makes me wanna die - two basically perfect songs. maxinquaye is almost like the tricky blueprint maybe? like, it all sounds very new, whereas pmt sounds more confident, i think cuz he's trod that turf before.

but man, the tracks at the end of maxinquaye are sneaky good!

p.s. i always thought blowback was underrated. some of the singles, esp the alanis morrisette one (lol) are good!!

oneohtrix point zero (fennel cartwright), Friday, 11 November 2011 10:14 (eight years ago) link

five years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIH0CSqmo7o

real good

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 3 November 2017 05:32 (two years ago) link

not going to click on that

the late great, Friday, 3 November 2017 05:37 (two years ago) link

why?

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 3 November 2017 05:42 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Wow, Xgau looooooves Tricky:

http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist2.php?id=1624

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 28 June 2020 13:35 (one week ago) link

New single sort of veers into hip house territory and I’m liking its vibe.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:04 (one week ago) link

Odd how much Xgau rates him kindly. I might use this Sunday to relisten to his full discography. I haven’t paid much attention to his work from the past 20 years or so.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:06 (one week ago) link

Nor I – I’ve always found most of what I heard following Maxinquaye to be a mess of blown out vocals and tuneless grooves.

One question ... was Martina’s vocal on “Ponderosa” her putting on a Robert Wyatt thing? The accent and lyrics are totally different here and seem like a direct, if left field, reference.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 29 June 2020 05:29 (one week ago) link


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