Sepultura vs. Pantera

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to make this fair

a) this is about sepultura before the max cavalera split, so post max sepultura and soulfly (ugh) don't count
b) pantera votes can not take into account RIP Dimebag or the fact that Phil Anselmo (post Pantera) is such an obvious inveterate douchebag

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Sepultura 26
Pantera 7


wax onleck, wax affleck (jjjusten), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 07:27 (ten years ago) link

Have to vote Sepultura here. Even if we counted the post-Max era they were still making better music than most of their peers (barring the Deftones).

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 09:38 (ten years ago) link

To make it fair this poll should be Chaos AD+Roots vs Pantera, as any older Sepultura shits on Pantera from unimaginable heights.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 11:48 (ten years ago) link

I want to start a band called the Inveterate Douchebags

Going with Pantera.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:51 (ten years ago) link

sepultura. pantera had maybe two good albums and a their influence created a lot of shitty metal.

BONE ALL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 13:10 (ten years ago) link

their influence created a lot of shitty metal.

True.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 13:27 (ten years ago) link

Sepultura purely because they aren't Pantera. Sepultura didnt have a board as retarded as the Pantera one and they also dont have a singer into white power. And Pantera,apart from a couple of songs , mostly made crap music.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 13:30 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfp5IjGRgEM

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 13:31 (ten years ago) link

Sepultura had miles better politics and were obviously miles nicer guys. Pantera had better tunes. Pantera it is.

chap, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 13:31 (ten years ago) link

I've got a problem, it's not our fucking brain, the little I know.
Our problem is the trends of today, the fucking trends, in the biggest fucking trends of all. If you have read my lyrics before, if you ever read what I've written, you've got to understand this.
We have friends of all colors and all kinds, we're not racist men, and well... if you can talk to yourself like a gentleman, and you act as a human being, you want to be treated as such, am I correct or not?

You're right, I'm gonna make it short sweet, short sweet when you come back to what the fuck we do with that.

Listen, the thing that bothers, is the black rampage of all fucking white kids by their albums of shit, because they think it sells to me, and they think they go to Los Angeles and shake fucking asses, they shake like that, and listen the rampage.

The majority of the whole cum of motherfuckers are pissing all over of white culture, they don't fucking want you, your fucking culture at all, they're fucking over on every white person that was ever born, and they don't know any of us, do you understand that?

In the United States where we live, the black people walk around with T-shirts and shit as saying "it's a black day".

You wouldn't understand, and our favorite one of all is "stop black fallen black crime". Do you know what that means, that means "stop black people from killing eash other", what does that say to you?

That means it's OK to kill White People, as for what it means to me, you don't say stop fucking crime, that says stop black on black crime, it's OK to kill a White motherfucker, no problem!

Well look, let me tell you what, if you walk around with a fucking T-shirt on it a certain "white pride", you would be racist, you would be a piece of shit, a motherfucking racist and you couldn't deal with it.

Wow, from here on it's white on, all you white kids up there. Let my tell you something, taht no other motherfucking man, white man, in the world has any guts to say, are you saying right now, when you wake up in a motherfucking morning and you look at your stomach and your guts in the mirror.

Hey, have all of you a fucking pride in your heart, man! As I always say, because we are a great people, and you know what?

Maybe, just maybe, tonight is a white day, and the black would have to understand what the fuck we're talking about, 'cause I mess it to you.

I'm sure you're consious of it, there is a problem we have on miles below. Open your eyes! Open your eyes! It's fucking a farthest discrimination as what it is. It is one man a ****** that tricks fucking jack ****, **** it, oh my!

Do you understand me? Are you proud of what you are?

I know there's some effort of you. I'm gonna ask you that again, and I'm talking of all you fucking people over there, and all you guardian people on the deck. We love, we the fence up to the best fate of the guardians of the world.

Are you proud of being white?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 13:32 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj2xSwOY0xs

^^^ Pantera win for this alone.

Although I wonder if the legacy of the bands can be taken into account. Surely Sepultura have influenced some shit, but Pantera are a total key influence on the metalcore scourge.

De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 13:33 (ten years ago) link

I'm talking of all you fucking people over there, and all you guardian people on the deck

The trick is to mention them by name so they see it when they google themselves

Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 13:47 (ten years ago) link

Sepultura had miles better politics and were obviously miles nicer guys. Pantera had better tunes. Pantera it is.

^^pretty much this. i liked sepultura (esp. when they'd let some brazilian influence in), and i knew a lot douchebags who were way into pantera, but i won't lie. i listened to way more pantera at the time and i remember a lot more of their riffs.

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 14:07 (ten years ago) link

Phil Anselmo (post Pantera) is such an obvious inveterate douchebag

You really don't need that paranthetical qualifier there.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 14:09 (ten years ago) link

I gotta go with Pantera. Big. Really big. I agree Anselmo is an asshole, but I dont judge music by whether I want to hang around the guys. Everybody here loves Steely Dan (as do I) but Don Fagan seems like a total twat.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 14:36 (ten years ago) link

pantera were altogether more catchy, more anthemic despite sepultura having the more of that raw, underground menace requisite of most true metal. very tough, but then i can't remember an awful lot of sep stuff despite the two bands being huge when i was at school. going with pantera, mostly because of cemetry gates, walk and

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=15782054

dog latin, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 14:53 (ten years ago) link

I think I like the idea of Sepultura more than their actual music. Whereas I love the music of Pantera, but find them (well, Anselmo) to be indefensibly vile.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 15:36 (ten years ago) link

sepultura. beneath the remains is one of my fave thrash albums. pantera have some OK riffs but are mostly garbage.

and "walk" sucks. so boring.

original bgm, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 16:40 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_gdBR_GXbg

Anyone who prefers "Walk" over this glorious riff-fest has no ears.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:49 (ten years ago) link

don't really care about either of these bands, but anselmo being a white supremacist is not the same thing as donald fagen being a bitter old crank

goole, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:51 (ten years ago) link

also, fagen is actually pretty funny:

http://twitter.com/DonaldFagen/status/2573925964

original bgm, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 19:53 (ten years ago) link

Oh and Alex: raise your standards!

Siegbran, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 20:02 (ten years ago) link

I was a huge fan of both of these bands. Saw them both a few times in the early 90s in their prime. I have to admit Pantera's New Years Eve show on teh Cowboys From Hell tour was one of the better shows I've ever seen. Phil is a douche, but he had a great stage presence, and his voice sounded the same live as on record.

Today though... I have absolutely no desire to listen to any Pantera, where as Beneath the Remains and Chaos A.D. still get play. So, Sepultura is my vote.

mr. me too (rockapads), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 20:30 (ten years ago) link

Gotta go with Sepultura. I'm still a big fan of their Slayer-imitating, pre-Chaos AD period.

That said, Cowboys and Vulgar Display are undeniable.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 20:36 (ten years ago) link

man, I'd even say sepultura playing moshy metal is better than pantera doing the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4E0UtxI7b0

and could pantera ever inspire anything this cute?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TviTCFAGr6w

NOPE.

original bgm, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 20:38 (ten years ago) link

Oh and Alex: raise your standards!

Bahahahahaha! Cheers!

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 21:45 (ten years ago) link

Also, I didn't say Sepultura sucked, I just said I prefer Pantera's racket (or at least up through Far Beyond Driven).

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 21:45 (ten years ago) link

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http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8168/metalcatcy0.jpg

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 21:53 (ten years ago) link

The opening minute of Territory is HUGE. Still think Pantera had more good songs though - they were generally as brutal as Sepultura, but catchier and funkier.

chap, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 23:16 (ten years ago) link

"but anselmo being a white supremacist is not the same thing as donald fagen being a bitter old crank"

Neither fact makes me dislike the band(s) both guys were members of. I think Pantera kicks all sorts of ass, at least through Far Beyond Driven

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 13:06 (ten years ago) link

ROOOOOOOOTS BLOOODY ROOOOOOOOOOTS

swag'll rock (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 13:11 (ten years ago) link

I always thought it'd be funny if Panera Bread Company did a metal-themed advertising campaign.

"Panera: A Vulgar Display of Flour"

Attack Attack! and Philosophy (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 13:58 (ten years ago) link

lol!

goole, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 14:15 (ten years ago) link

hahahaha.

original bgm, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 14:17 (ten years ago) link

I will now forever think of that when I see a panera.

original bgm, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 14:18 (ten years ago) link

Sepultura for me easily, the only memorable Pantera song I ever heard was "Planet Caravan", although "Fucking Hoff-Style" is the reason youtube was created. And of course, there's THIS:

http://www.kickedintheface.com/reviews/cover/Pantera%20-%20Metal%20Magic.jpg

I do try to keep an open mind sometimes, though. So tell me: If I found Cowboys From Hell and Far Beyond Driven to be unreasonably tuneless and tedious, is it worth my giving Vulgar Display of Power a chance?

x-post:

not as funny, but here's sepultura cover connection:

http://www.metallibrary.ru/bands/discographies/images/sepultura/pictures/87_morbid_visions.jpg

I do try to keep an open mind sometimes, though. So tell me: If I found Cowboys From Hell and Far Beyond Driven to be unreasonably tuneless and tedious, is it worth my giving Vulgar Display of Power a chance?

probably not.

original bgm, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 14:38 (ten years ago) link

vulgar display of power has actual melodies i guess. Geir might not agree though.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 14:41 (ten years ago) link

These are two bands I'm kinda surprised I didn't listen to in middle and high school. Seems like the stuff that totally thrives in weird small towns but somehow I didn't really know about 'em.

drunk shudder shades chick gets kicked out of mcdonalds totally (╓abies), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 14:48 (ten years ago) link

Nothing to do with personalities or politics, I like Sepultura a heck of a lot and I don't give a toss about Pantera.

Raekwon Parlour (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 15:00 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

if it's before Max split, Sepultura by a landslide....beneath the Remains, Arise, and to a somewhat lesser degree, Schizophrenia, all kick the shit out of anything Pantera ever did.

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 23:10 (ten years ago) link

oh...and exhorder's slaughter in the vatican is better than anything Pantera ever did too

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 23:12 (ten years ago) link

i also have to say it is exceedingly lame how pantera attempted to pretend their first four albums (Metal Magic, I am the Night, Power Metal, and Projects in the Jungle) didn't exist. it was funny having convos with their fans as some of them were unaware pantera started out playing glam rock.

i mean it isn't like a hidden secret or anything but their website had no mention of these albums and worded their bio in a way to make it sound like cowboys from hell was their first album when in reality it was just their first 'major label' album.

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 23:23 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 30 July 2009 23:01 (ten years ago) link

Gotta agree with sound reasoning there.

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Friday, 31 July 2009 23:55 (ten years ago) link

this album from 2006 was great!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Sepultura_-_Dante_XXI.jpg

the last album - the clockwork orange concept album one - sucked though. i was so surprised that i like that dante album. i hadn't listened to sepultura in years. i never listened to pantera. maybe if they had been around when i was a kid i would have liked them. who knows. i listened to krokus and grim reaper when i was a kid and they were pretty bad. i've never actually heard the fabled pantera glam metal albums. maybe i'd like those.

scott seward, Saturday, 1 August 2009 00:23 (ten years ago) link

i saw em live a few years ago. pretty spiritless show (Sepultura that is). I bet the Max days were better. even "Beneath the REmains" was meh live.

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Saturday, 1 August 2009 00:27 (ten years ago) link

the only phil anselmo-related product i ever owned was a viking crown album i bought at a cd store cuz i was bored and it was, like, two bucks. it was truly horrible. it was supposed to be a lo-fi basement bm kinda thing and as we all know even when these kinds of albums are "bad" or amateurish they can often be quite entertaining. this was not one of those albums.

if i have anything good to say about the guy (and i don't really have anything bad to say about the guy) its that he was an early champion of eyehategod (and actually black metal in this country, to be fair) and it was his idea to split the immortal "sister fucker" into two parts. which was a great idea.

scott seward, Saturday, 1 August 2009 00:38 (ten years ago) link

no one doubt's Phil's commitment to the underground. it's just that he seems to go out of his way to demonstrate it to everyone. 'LOOK EVERYBODY SEE...I HAD A MIND OVER FOUR SHIRT ON IN THIS VIDEO!'

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Saturday, 1 August 2009 00:39 (ten years ago) link

apparently they do a lot of soundtrack work in brazil - sepultura - and they have great studio resources now. including the use of strings, etc. which is one reason why that dante album sounds so awesome. it's a complete studio creation. i LOVE the way that album sounds.

scott seward, Saturday, 1 August 2009 00:40 (ten years ago) link

i'll be honest, i haven't heard an album past Arise all the way through. i'm including Chaos A.D. I was a total thrashhead so i guess i ignored that period.

Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Saturday, 1 August 2009 00:43 (ten years ago) link

Sepultura for me easily, the only memorable Pantera song I ever heard was "Planet Caravan"

^THIS.

Sepultura > latter era Sepultura > Soulfly > Pantera

I saw the Chaos AD tour and I saw Pantera open for Black Sabbath. Sepultura was amazing. Pantera was a joke. Except for Dimebag. He really did shred.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 1 August 2009 05:53 (ten years ago) link

And I've seen Soulfly twice and while I don't consider myself a fan, they were excellent live both times. My favorite song of theirs is the one Sean Lennon co-wrote.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 1 August 2009 05:54 (ten years ago) link

I bought a "Best of Sepultura" CD to listen to in the car coz of this thread, but it's been remastered and squashed to shit so it sounds like ass. AVOID THIS CD. I couldn't listen to it & pitched it out of the car window. The intro to "Troops of Doom" is fucking awesome, by the by.

f1f0 (Pashmina), Saturday, 1 August 2009 12:40 (ten years ago) link

Listening to Chaos AD just now has made me regret my vote. What a powerful, gutfelt album.

chap, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 16:50 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...

I couldn't listen to it & pitched it out of the car window.

RIP guy who flipped his vehicle attempting to avoid this projectile

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 June 2014 15:10 (five years ago) link

Listening to Chaos AD just now has made me regret my vote. What a powerful, gutfelt album.

― chap, Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:50 AM (4 years ago)

otm

riot grillz (contenderizer), Sunday, 1 June 2014 15:14 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

new Sepultura is FANTASTIC. their current drummer is tremendous.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 7 February 2020 13:08 (three weeks ago) link

I am enjoying it so far. they seem to be thriving.

mega lame that Gloria Cavalera took potshots at Derrick the other day. I'm not linking to it because what she said was dumb and moronic but basically she got mad that Derrick Green had the audacity to answer a question he was asked in an interview asking why everybody keeps asking if Max is going to reunite with the band. You have to figure by now, almost 25 years into his tenure with the band, he has to be mega sick of this fucking question, and yet he diplomatically kept all of the Cavaleras out of his mouth and said the fans that wanted this were just living in the past and that it's not where the band is anymore and Gloria blows up on FB saying "fuck you Derrick, you always gotta bring us up for attention".

I haven't liked even half of the Derrick era, no, but i've liked 3 or 4 of the albums. new fun seems pretty ambitious, isn't just trying to play chugga chugga over tribal drums. also Kisser does some incredible guitar work on this album.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 February 2020 04:23 (two weeks ago) link


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