Worst "genre" created by a journalist part 4534547668686 : 'Hypnagogic Pop' by David Keenan.

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Oi Keenan, leave the making of silly genre names in order to create hype to the NME. New Weird America was bad enough, but Hypnagogic Pop? Really? Fuck off!
You can shove that one up your arse along with your overpriced CDRs that you sell.

http://www.thewire.co.uk/images/artists/madlib/cover306.jpg
Now I'm going to go listen to Pocahaunted while cursing you some more.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 18:38 (eleven years ago) link

Marcello to thread to slag off 18 Wheeler.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 18:42 (eleven years ago) link

I was wondering why this term had suddenly appeared on Twitter.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

Can you explain this term to me?

the kid is crying because did sharks died? (Hurting 2), Monday, 20 July 2009 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

Does that bother you more than the fact that the tag for the Madlib article is 'Patrolling yesterday's universe with the Beat Konducta'? Seriously?

I like how the hierarchy of the text implies Peter Christopherson is his own genre

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

sorry, Sleazy Peter Christopherson

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:46 (eleven years ago) link

hurting 2 i haven't more than skimmed the start of the article but it seems to be an extension of that 'hauntology' idea no one really did anything with to the "post-noise underground" (sorry, "post-Noise underground", fucking hate the wire's typography)

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:49 (eleven years ago) link

i would like a scan of that madlib article, please

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 20 July 2009 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

vahid I would but i dont have a scanner, sorry.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

there is a bit of it here http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/435/493/5474/1/1

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

The last time i got this annoyed by the wire was when they used Vladislav Delay instead of Luomo which I figured is because Luomo is a more famous handle. Also, genre that starts by trying to shoehorn Emeralds into the same tag as Pocahaunted is starting out pretty shakily. Like this stuff has a pretty small yet inconsistent remit, it's not specific nor is it a wide umbrella term.

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:05 (eleven years ago) link

the photo of madlibs records made me hella jealous btw

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

oh ffs http://www.last.fm/tag/hypnagogic%20pop

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:08 (eleven years ago) link

At least hypnagogic pop as a genre name is not as bad Pocahaunted is as a name for a band.

De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:09 (eleven years ago) link

who the fuck are these bands anyway?

north sea jazz dit weekend (call all destroyer), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

well see that's why he's written an article to bring them to your attention, i dunno that you can really fault that bit

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

yeah but i'd like someone to explain it to me in english so i don't have to scan 5 unreadable wire intro paragraphs next time i'm at the record store.

north sea jazz dit weekend (call all destroyer), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

you will have to make do with

Hypnagogic pop

How James Ferraro, Spencer Clark, Pocahaunted, Emeralds, et al are floating beyond Noise to a dreampop hallucination of the 1980s. By David Keenan

Since I cant scan the article.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

I like Pocahaunted and Emeralds but this making up of a genre name is just stupid.
Of course it will help Keenan sell this stuff in his shop/online mailorder.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:17 (eleven years ago) link

i bought this because i knew i had some hours waiting around in train stations to deal with and had been through the paper and it was just - dear the wire, i really, really think you could be a very good magazine if you fixed your two or three really horrible pre-conceptions that you filter the entire world of recorded music through, and i am spending four pounds on you in the faith that someday you will, but there is not a single thing on that cover that doesn't make it hard to like you

the article makes it sound like 'hypnagogic pop' has a mean of ariel pink and a standard deviation of about two thirds of an ariel pink. the only ones i've actually heard are emeralds, who are droney synths + guitar, and pretty good.

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEE8LzzLPDo

^ makes them sound a bit noisier than they are on the record

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:20 (eleven years ago) link

the wire in playing fast and loose with the definition of "pop" shocker

north sea jazz dit weekend (call all destroyer), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

that song sounded like someone playing back one of those generic chinese restaurant flute songs at half speed.

north sea jazz dit weekend (call all destroyer), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40-q81UmJ28

i got yer hypnogogic pop right here

signature floor-scraping crouches (herb albert), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

well see that's why he's written an article to bring them to your attention, i dunno that you can really fault that bit

Yeah but the problem is he is basically shoehorning them all into some made-up genre in order to give them a coherence that they don't actually have.

anagram, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:46 (eleven years ago) link

am content to no longer subscribe to this magazine, for a number of reasons

mark cl, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

i do thumb through my back issues on occasion tho

mark cl, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

Emeralds are awesome, Pocahaunted suck. There are way more bands both of these bands sound like other than each other.

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

solar bridge = top drawer lo-fi psych-drone

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:58 (eleven years ago) link

i just signed a deal to write a 33 1/3 book about hypnagogic pop....it's gonna basically be a first person account of me surfing the internet today....some ILXORS will be making cameo appearances! : )

I'm a Matt...I'm a DC (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 20 July 2009 20:02 (eleven years ago) link

i'm trying to think of something snappy and contrarian

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

sorry to derail, but ilx poster: "i know, right?": did you used to post under a different name? i think i'm guilty of having you mixed up with someone else for a very, very long time

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

no i've pretty much always been me iirc ; )

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

The last time i got this annoyed by the wire was when they used Vladislav Delay instead of Luomo which I figured is because Luomo is a more famous handle.

he uses difft handles for difft releases tho, i assume the wire just used whatever he was using at the time

lex pretend, Monday, 20 July 2009 21:09 (eleven years ago) link

I can't help thinking that the phrase 'hypnagogic pop' would be a better description of MBV etc than it is of Pocahaunted et al. And if it fits to any act these days, I reckon it'd be Grouper.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

(oh okay thanks) (xposts)

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

this thread is now #3 on google for Hypnagogic Pop
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=hypnagogic+pop&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:29 (eleven years ago) link

the wire in playing fast and loose with the definition of "pop" shocker

indeed it may be a few dozen Skaters and Pocahaunted albums since I heard anything by them, but I really have no idea what they have to do with 'pop'.

Akon/Family (Merdeyeux), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

"The last time i got this annoyed by the wire was when they used Vladislav Delay instead of Luomo which I figured is because Luomo is a more famous handle.

he uses difft handles for difft releases tho, i assume the wire just used whatever he was using at the time"

Also I'm not sure this would necessarily be true for readers of the Wire anyway.

He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:31 (eleven years ago) link

i found the pdf of the hypnagogic pop on another board
hxxp://www.mediafire.com/?i0kyoexginm

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:31 (eleven years ago) link

reminds me of when the wire were really into Cocorosie

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:32 (eleven years ago) link

so you can read it all to your hearts content
xp

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:33 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrQjt-d9o0

^ Kitchens of Distinction claiming the h-word the term for shoegaze

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

didnt the cure do it first?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

i don't get why they don't just throw it in some hauntology bracket

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:43 (eleven years ago) link

giving it it's own thread where people start discussing it essentially legitimizes it, so good work herms

nutzhak perlman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

i just signed a deal to write a 33 1/3 book about hypnagogic pop....it's gonna basically be a first person account of me surfing the internet today....some ILXORS will be making cameo appearances! : )

― I'm a Matt...I'm a DC (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, July 20, 2009 4:02 PM (1 hour ago)

i'll be cool, sounds like a bit of fun

k3vin k., Monday, 20 July 2009 21:57 (eleven years ago) link

^^^will be cool

i found the pdf of the hypnagogic pop on another board

That's not a pdf, it's a bunch of jpegs, and page 2 of the article appears to be missing.

Until I read the full article I won't know for sure, but there may be a connection of some kind with the Hypnagogue EP by former Keenan faves Current 93.

anagram, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:03 (eleven years ago) link

i think originally the term for bands like the skaters and pocohaunted was 'moan-wave'. srsly.

Francis, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:09 (eleven years ago) link

According to the article, it's Skaters first and foremost, as well as the works of the individual works of Ferraro and Clark (Lamborghini Crystal, Edward Flex, Black Joker, Monopoly Child Star Searchers, Vodka Soap). Also, along with Ariel Pink, Pocohaunted, and Emeralds, there's Zola Jesus, Gary War, Sore Eros, The Super Vacations, Infinity Window, Oneohtrix Point Never, Orphan Fairytale, Dolphins Into The Future, Ducktails.....did I leave any out?

Dan S, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:05 (eleven years ago) link

tbf it is a pretty definite aesthetic that makes sense straight away when you start listing

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:06 (eleven years ago) link

I was only asking to make another computer brand joke, tbh.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:09 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, but I was too ashamed after my last post I just couldn't

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:11 (eleven years ago) link

that's okay, keep it ep, son.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:14 (eleven years ago) link

I think the citations of individual works that had influence on the sound of these artists are interesting: Tom Tom Club, Marc Hunter's "Big City Talk", Don Henley's "Boys Of Summer", "Running Up That Hill", The Ghostbuster Soundtrack, new age music.

I also love the non-musical ingluences that James Ferraro and Spencer Clark list: Ghostbusters, surf movies, Beverly Hills 90210, Russian Theosophist PD Ouspensky, And the cultural totems and roadside temples: Atlantis, dolphins, KFC, Hard Rock Cafes, TV dinners, strip clubs, gyms, and celebrities.

Dan S, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

The Wire are falling asleep with all this hypnagogic pop; they should wake up and get into some hypnopompic pop.

moley, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 05:31 (eleven years ago) link

it's Skaters first and foremost, as well as the works of the individual works of Ferraro and Clark (Lamborghini Crystal, Edward Flex, Black Joker, Monopoly Child Star Searchers, Vodka Soap). Also, along with Ariel Pink, Pocohaunted, and Emeralds, there's Zola Jesus, Gary War, Sore Eros, The Super Vacations, Infinity Window, Oneohtrix Point Never, Orphan Fairytale, Dolphins Into The Future, Ducktails.....did I leave any out?

Really though, only Ferraro's solo work, Dolphins and Ducktails I can see fitting the Hypnastoopid Pop glove, the rest is vastly different from eachother...

I still cannot believe The Wire didn't tell Keenan to fuck off with this

rizzx, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 07:04 (eleven years ago) link

"The Wire has gotten nearly as silly as the NME."
Well the Wire has been staffed by former NME writers since the mid- to late 80s so making up genres to slot music they wnat to tell you about is nothing that is too surprising.

Unfortunately there is a lack of ideas/argument at the mo. Still look at it in train stations but it often stays at the station.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 08:46 (eleven years ago) link

Look for it in train stations, have a rapid scan through Invisible Jukebox, put it back on the shelf... knowhorrimean?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:05 (eleven years ago) link

no I don't, I'm an American ... you either get it by subscription or find it in fancier bookstores or record stores.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:07 (eleven years ago) link

Look for it in fancy bookstores, have a rapid scan through Invisible Jukebox, put it back on the shelf... knowhorrimean?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:08 (eleven years ago) link

William Basinski in the new one, btw. Interested to read it. Going to buy the book shortly too. I believe it has Haino in it?

krakow, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:11 (eleven years ago) link

xp actually, look for it at fancy bookstore, look to see if any questionable genres have been coined, look to see if anyone I know has anything reviewed in it, put it back on shelf.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:15 (eleven years ago) link

Every genre is 'questionable'.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:18 (eleven years ago) link

Have to say that I do quite enjoy the Hello-ish full page photos of mopey-looking musicians in their scuzzy domiciles.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:28 (eleven years ago) link

Hello?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:29 (eleven years ago) link

Not enough avant-gardists glowering at manky old teapots.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:31 (eleven years ago) link

The Wire would be vastly improved if they printed more letters to the editor.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:34 (eleven years ago) link

That's a good point I think.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:38 (eleven years ago) link

They should def print Tom D's letters :-)

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:48 (eleven years ago) link

I don't write any anymore!

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:50 (eleven years ago) link

Because I don't buy it often enough to get annoyed enough to write a letter!

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:50 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

um so can someone pls point me towards the poppier end of this stuff?

(9/9/8/9) (cozwn), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:00 (ten years ago) link

Ariel Pink I spose?

an hesher (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:16 (ten years ago) link

I saw them play about a week ago and they had a song that sounded like Def Leppard, I could get with it

an hesher (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:16 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2foFbDYkBY

dude who uploaded this needs to play the tape through maybe 20 more times then stick it back up, and Ariel Pink never needs to write a song again

flashback to 2007: with this guardian blog (DJ Mencap), Friday, 18 December 2009 21:15 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

I think there is something in this. I've been listening to a lot of Gary War, Emeralds, Rangers, Oneohtrix recently and I can see some relation, although no justification for a "scene" to be created - a lot of the stuff on the Olde English Spelling Bee label sounds similar. As an Englishman of a certain age it is evocative of ET era Spielberg films, of an America I'm not sure ever existed but created by a weird juxtaposition of watching Happy Days in northern England in the 1980s. A lot of these bands also seem to be trying to recreate Loveless as cheaply as possible.

Liking Forest Swords too - this guy seems to be from near where I grew up, near Liverpool, and is adding Burial to the mix. Good stuff.

kraudive, Friday, 28 May 2010 23:19 (ten years ago) link

Creating a such-and-such that seemed to exist but never did is always a good plan to me. I applaud unmusics, &c.

I am fighting off an infection and hope I don't get gangrene or something equally amputate-able.

bamcquern, Saturday, 29 May 2010 04:26 (ten years ago) link

ten months pass...

I love the comments btw
http://crystalvibrations.blogspot.com/2011/02/hypnogogic-sound-vibration-tape.html

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 16:05 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

RIP Volcanic Tongue

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:48 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

Picked up David Keenan's novel 'This Is Memorial Device' in a charity shop the other day and was surprised to find what I am convinced is myself mentioned in it very very briefly in passing early on in the book. My fleeting appearance is rather negative, but it's not an unfair description and has amused me greatly. Other than that, the book seems pretty promising from the first few chapters.

brain (krakow), Thursday, 9 January 2020 19:45 (eight months ago) link

haha wow, that's amazing (as in the superlative, not as in surprising, obviously, given how often you and keenan will have rubbed shoulders). subject matter is v much up my street despite my reservations on mr keenan as a writer

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:05 (eight months ago) link

I got super confused when I saw this yesterday:

https://images.roughtrade.com/product/images/files/000/185/505/hero/open-uri20191205-9868-1gwqcsx?1575557819

Death to (NickB), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:29 (eight months ago) link

Amazed that I never posted on this thread

I've never felt any ire toward neologisms like "hypnagogic pop" because widely-regarded genre tags seem to take forever to stick, and sticking them to a particular scene has always been folly unless you're a purist. Grouping a bunch of contemporary sounds under a tag, regardless of some variation, is more of a shorthand way of saying "if you like this band, you may also like these others" and retroactively throwing prior work in there seems like an extension of the same.

Now we have data science analyzing listening habits and the likes of Spotify giving us monikers like "Escape Room" that qualify groups of artists that listeners seem to seek in parallel

babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:35 (eight months ago) link

"Escape Room"?!?

https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-one-of-my-top-genres-on-spotify-a886372f003f

shit's getting weird

The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:46 (eight months ago) link

'Hypnagogic pop' doesn't strike me as sillier than 'impressionism' or 'cubism'.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:49 (eight months ago) link

never forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microhouse

babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:59 (eight months ago) link

'Microhouse' is fine. 'Buftech', on the other hand…

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 19:03 (eight months ago) link

buftech probably makes a lot more sense in its origin language

babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:05 (eight months ago) link

Isn't that what they call beefsteak in New Zealand?

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:07 (eight months ago) link

"conceptronica"

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:30 (eight months ago) link

"Escape Room"?!?

https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-one-of-my-top-genres-on-spotify-a886372f003f

shit's getting weird

― The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, January 10, 2020 6:46 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hm, not bad stuff. Would I be able to hear this on night out at the escape club?

☮️ (peace, man), Friday, 10 January 2020 20:02 (eight months ago) link

every bar becomes an escape room scenario at some point in the night

babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 10 January 2020 20:29 (eight months ago) link

"UK Funky" is one of those genre names that riles me up just looking at it. (I have no idea what it sounds like, I'm sure I would totally like it.)

henry s, Friday, 10 January 2020 20:39 (eight months ago) link

should have called it BritFunk

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:00 (eight months ago) link

Level 42 and others already did that in the late 70s/early 80s

Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:00 (eight months ago) link

Now we have data science analyzing listening habits and the likes of Spotify giving us monikers like "Escape Room" that qualify groups of artists that listeners seem to seek in parallel

Blame Glenn McDonald.

MarkoP, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:33 (eight months ago) link

wank sock

PaulTMA, Saturday, 11 January 2020 00:44 (eight months ago) link

had a hypnogogic moment where i got confused by the fact he has the name same as someone i know

sarahell, Saturday, 11 January 2020 06:50 (eight months ago) link


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