Salem - What kind of music genre is this ?

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Was anyone else at the Salem show in Shoreditch last night? The venue (a church) was really cool.

Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Perhaps not as much as I enjoyed being sat in a Hawksmoor full of dry ice listening to a DJ playing Fad Gadget, TG, The Units... And the support (Becoming Real?) was amazing when this tall gothic girl got up and started body popping like something out of an Aphex Twin video.

I wasn't 100% sure that Heather was singing live, tbh. But Jay, Silent Bob's mate seems to have sorted his rapping out.

It didn't seem like she was singing live. I still really don't like the rap songs, and found the performance of those songs pretty cringey. The other dude strumming the mega-gain'ed out guitar was kind of embarrassing too. The funniest thing to me was when the guy on the side of the stage would lean over and press a button on the smoke machine, and you heard the really loud "hisssssss" as it released the necessary 'atmosphere' into the room.

They only played about 8 songs, I think. It was entertaining in the end, I suppose; I just think they could put on a much cooler show. Even the description from the beginning of this thread from a year ago - Saw these guys play in Rome and they just stood on stage and shared a cigarette while car crash footage played behind them. I have a feeling David Lynch c. "Fire Walk With Me" would've loved them. sounds so much better than the reality!

I'm bummed out I didn't watch the opener now.

I enjoyed it, and they've obviously come a long way in terms of actually realising that you need some stage craft since the Fader Fort thing, that I'd go and watch them next year with a fair chance of it being better again. The big Hisssss fitted in with the music and reminded me of the idea of Martin Hannett using aerosol cans as part of the percussion on She's Lost Control.

Just heard "O Holy Night" and thought "this sounds familiar...."

Is it weird to describe this music as having a mix of sentimentality and cynicism that I find repulsive?

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is that matisyahu?

I was literally listening to "King Without a Crown" yesterday, but no

literally!

I tried to figuratively listen to it but that didn't work out so well

David Tibet of Current 93 hops on the bandwagon ;_;

Thank you to Matthew Davies at Tangled Parrot for sending me Salem’s King Night and Mater Suspiria Vision’s Zombie Rave Mixtape, both of which I love. Matt introduced me to the Witch House genre, of which I hadn’t previously known, but which I find fascinating.

The most depressing thing about that statement is that someone who has done so much to trash ideas about what 'genre' is supposed to be throughout his entire career has proceeded to talk about 'the Witch House genre' with a goddamn straight face!

Haw, just knew the revive of this thread was what I too just read in Tibet's latest newsletter. It's depressing precisely because of what Ned lays out here.

while I'm not going to pretend to be bothered by this to score ILX points, I just want to say the guy who sent him the records he mentions is an A+ bro

It's also depressing because Salem sucks.

If he'd been excited about that Creep/Romy XX song, it would at least make sense.

(I find it near impossible to believe that a band named "Mater Suspiria Vision" could possibly be any good, partially because I am no longer 16)

i wish these guys would go away.

just read this had not heard of this 'drag' genre
http://music.newcity.com/2011/03/07/love-to-hate-why-salem-is-flattered-by-your-antagonism/

man, a lot of my friends like salem and it makes me feel kind of shitty

i have not heard they music but the article is interesting

Feel like 'Creep/Romy XX' would be a good name for a Witch House band.

David Tibet rules.

"jillianbrynn Says:
March 8th, 2011 at 10:01 am
i hate them because jack came to my house, burned his initials into my wall, held my friend down against his will and forced him to drink beer, picked a fight with my roommate, and tore my friends journal in half. a true asshole. i sent him a message about it and he twittered it, as though he is proud of his behavior. nothing about what he did was “cool.” he brings darkness and i hope he finds help for his disease. i dont care if the music is good and no, jack, you are not “the truth” (pffft). au contraire, you are but a silver spoon fed self righteous moron. read a book or learn that your fellow humans deserve respect before you will receive any real respect. in the end, youll end up cold and alone because “cool” doesnt last forever.
jillianbrynn Says:
March 8th, 2011 at 10:05 am
if you want to be a band that doesnt make people feel passive, do it with your music, not your misguided hate. in the end, you arent your music then, you are but a life-long performance piece of asshole performance art. why dont you be truthful about that?"

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Salem baited into trolling Whiney:

http://soldout.squarespace.com/blog/2011/3/15/salem-getting-to-the-root.html

soldout: certain music critics, particularly chr1s w3ingarten, have accused salem of being racist for the pitched-down vocals jack uses on album. we think that's ridiculous, but we'd love to know how you respond to
that.

JD: Im not even trying to be in a dialog with angry/upset 40 year olds but... that guy is an ass :( . We all use effects on our vocals. Chr1s should probably eat a salad and go to bed. Its an intense and serious accusation to say someone is racist, its clear he doesnt understand our work but to be so negative as to say all that is very sad. Sometimes I think older people can be intimidated when something new gets attention, I just googled him and it looks like he is tryna be in a band....maybe he is jelix???? I pray 4 him.
JH: is chr1s w3ingarten white? Racial interpretation is in the ear of the beholder. i pitch down my vocals too, i wonder if he thinks thats racist too even though i dont rap?
H: He's probably just another angry white man. We get a lot of reactionary responses to our music, putting energy into hating something is still giving your energy to it, it doesn't bother us.

hypocrite baited into matching screen name to real name

hahahahah omg amazing

"Chr1s should probably eat a salad and go to bed."

I'm 31, assholes! 12 minutes ago via web

he took the bait, now let's watch what happens!

dude I thought about that but your visible screenname sez yr last name in it! anybody wants to delete my post feel free, I 100% do not mean to blow whiney's spot here

^^ aero otm, ilx is basically free publicity for whiney, right?

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i don't care, i'm just saying someone else had a visible screen name with their name in it for a while and would get super pissy about way less than this

salem's response is such horseshit - "he's old! old people don't understand!" great argument you dumb fucks, congratulations on publicly admitting that you're incapable of engaging criticism

anyway I posted this to say "this is how assholes act when they get called out," not to say "these guys said lol things about whiney" - I'm on whiney's side here

xp yeah actual-lol it's not really news that I am a pissy diva type whines!!

Don't let them win, Whiney. I kind of hope you keep this going.

But your last name is a lot more googleable than your first and it's in your screen name, unobfuscated! Or do we hide those from people not logged in, I forget.

I kind of hope you keep this going.

lol well this only came to my attn because I could feel the steam escaping from whiney's ears as it broke through the tweetstream

That's kind of the deal, if you're going to respond to someone who's actually critical of you, you probably shouldn't do it to the guy who only gets more verbose when wound up.

Salem try to pick a fight with our dude is very much slingshot-to-the-gunfight

Hahaha, thanks dudes. I pretty much said my piece in the Voice f2k article. There's literally nothing left to say about these diarrhea stains until they release their next terrible record. But by that point everyone will have bounced on to the next flavor-of-the-month fake blogger genre and it will be like kicking an O.D.'d horse

skreets is watching whiney, be careful

this made me lol. hi j0hn d0ran whoever you are
http://www.thelmagazine.com/TheMeasure/archives/2011/04/08/interview-british-online-mag-the-quietus-responds-to-salem-hoax

" I work between 70 and 80 hours a week on a website which is pretty much a labour of love and the freelance work I need to do, in order to keep myself in baubles and biscuits." "
We need to have really good google presence for me to earn the paltry amount of £100 a week (do a google conversion and start weeping) and this is for a 70 hour 7 day week, which is kind of destroying my physical and mental health at the moment."
"Maybe I'll start working 14 hour fucking shifts instead of 13 hour shifts."

I usually don't like to post negative things on this board just cause, but this?? Is the life of a music journalist/web designer really so strained and laborious?

My life as a freelance journalist is a piece of piss. My life as the owner/editor/features editor/staff writer of an independent music site is *exactly* like that. No overexageration. No metaphor. One of the 15 - 20 people I know on this board could probably confirm it if they so wished.

I'm not looking for sympathy by the way, I enjoy doing nothing other than my job with my waking hours. I wouldn't have it any other way. That's not to say I like having my time wasted though. This is the only time I've ever mentioned my hours/pay in the context of not wanting trustafarians in shit NYC bands pulling spoofs on me.

They took one of my questions out. They said who should they have spoofed if not Salem and I said they could have done Wavves by taking a liquid shit onto a dictaphone. Didn't make the cut.

I said they could have done Wavves by taking a liquid shit onto a dictaphone.

Would've definitely left that in any interview I was publishing.

My question wasn't meant to be sarcastic or ironic. I'm far removed from the music industry. I do write quite a lot, though I never consider it work exactly. I've never gotten paid for my writings. Any kind of work involves a certain labor, yet also when a lot of strain and stress is involved I question the joy and quality of the work. Not that writing always comes easy and that certainly can be stressful. Maybe that's why I choose work that doesn't concern my loves, taste, and pleasures. When music becomes work are you really listening with the same ears you once had?

That's a question for yourself not for me. And, no slight intended, I think it shows a lack of imagination.

This is my job. I love it. I don't think the scale of listening I do or the fact it pays my rent affects my appreciation of it.

The truth of the matter is I don't really see it as work, in a 9 - 5 job sense, I see it as an utterly pointless and mainly harmless calling that allows me to get loads of music and to get into all the gigs I want to go to and to hang out with other people like me so I don't feel like so much of a fucking mentally ill freak.

Music fills the space in my life that other people would fill with religious or spiritual concerns. It has also given me a solid framework to help me get over my genetic predisposition toward thirstiness and narcotic use and, to a certain degree, has helped me with low level mental health issues.