Pulp: C.L.A.S.S.I.C.O.R.D.U.D?

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It had to be done sometime... or is it not even worth asking on this board? This thread was prompted by someone who told me today that she *hates* "Common People".

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It strikes me as clear that your friend is clearly insane.

Classic, if just for Common People alone. All the rest of it is just dressing. They've done enough top stuff to forgive the crap they did pre-His 'n' Hers, as well. Hell, they'd get classic even if all they ever did was Jarvis's behavior at the Brits re: Michael Jackson.

And they certainly help their case in that Jarvis was also involved in the most fantastic song ever, Set The Controls For The Heart of the Pelvis.

Ally, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you heard the original of "Common People"? Jarvis completely knicked the tune of some dodgy Spanish disco record. Mark Radcliffe used to play it in his shortlived Blackmail Corner. Still, talent borrows and genius steals. And "Common People" is still genius wherever it came from.

Johnathan, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jarvis Cocker nick a tune??? YOU HORRIFY ME. etc.

I remember a great interview with Arab Strap which was all bah we hate Pulp they pretend to be filthy and sordid but they prettify everything, it is WE who are filthy and sordid. So some people don't like them.

Classic. I'll probably get bored later on - well I'm bored now but you know what I mean - and try and explain why a bit more.

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolute classic. From "My Legendary Girlfriend" through Different Class there is hardly misstep. And even if TIH is spotty, the title track, "Help the Aged" and "The Fear" are classic as well. (and Set the Controls as well, as Ally said!)

scott plagenhoef, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nope don't like them. Too over the top for my liking, I would listen to them on the radio but wouldn't contemplate buying any of their records. I liked the TV show where Jarvis Cocker visited someones house that was covered in mosaics, that's his best work. I can seriously only remember Common People which I think was their stab at a summer athemn like Blur's Boys and Girls. Oh, and Help the Aged, Jarvis on a stair lift. So, dud, too twee and affected and musically not what I would listen to.

james e l, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, classic. even though i rarely listen to his 'n' hers and can't be bothered with most of the stuff before it and, come to think of it, haven't listened to different class in ages and this is hardcore in even longer...

but still: classic. one of the few bands in these here modern times who never cease to put out something i enjoy. hopefully that streak will continue with the new album -- the live songs i've heard from it, or that are supposed to be from it, anyway, are great but they say that it's never good when it takes a band forever to complete an album and there are stories of the whole thing being scrapped and re-recorded...but they say a lot of things, don't they? besides, scott walker and marianne faithfull attached to the project? how can it go wrong! it's a 60s freak-out party!

fred solinger, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Absoloute bloody classic. even before His 'n' Hers. O.U. anyone? anyone seen them live? they're even better. Plus Jarvis becoming the world's most unlikely sex god was pretty good!

Bill

Bill, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Please could someone explain exactly why Pulp are classic? The DG jury is out on this one, but I feel a DUD verdict coming on, simply because Jarvis is an irritating lanky streak of piss.

DG, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

In the UK, Pulp were a classic case of an overexposed band. After all those years of outsiderdom, etc, and some records that I liked, they put out Different Class and become every granny's favourite, Chris Evans' pals, etc etc. And it was kind of hard to like them much after that. I hope that doesn't sound like mere pop snobbery - I don't think that's what I'm talking about. It was more to do with the easy complacency that settled around the band - the way that Absolutely Everyone, from the indie press to the Culture Secretary (or whatever) agreed they were A Good Thing (that Jacko episode was absolutely characteristic here). It was the *consensus* that became stifling. But on top of that, and perhaps more to the point, I think the music went downhill too. I like His'n'Hers all right, plus 'Inside Susan' etc, but not much after 'Common People'.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jarvis Cocker seems obviously classic – an Alan Bennett for our generation – funny, charming, at times incisive, old before his time - except he ends up being too fashionable by half. I fear he may be a Hockney instead. Someone who seemed important once but actually isn’t.

Pulp as a band I think are pretty mediocre to be honest. I wouldn’t care if he dumped them and went to work with someone new. I liked his work with All Seeing Eye musically more than anything Pulp have recorded. So Pulp dud, Jarvis potential classic but too early to call.

Guy, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

As with Abba & Duran Duran, unquestionably classic.

The things that some people have been criticizing them for, like the ott factor, are part of what makes their music so good. They're not afraid to go over the top; something they have in common with great pop music. Indie bands tend to try for the "tastefully restrained" approach far too often.

And I don't think there's anything twee about Pulp -- there's a bitterness and desperation that's a subtext to too many of the songs to qualify for that. People tend to play up the lyrics when talking about Pulp, but I think the music is pretty excellent as well. Their sound was always a little too much in love with chart pop and disco to ever fall victim to the grey and plodding behemoth known as Britpop.

AND even if His N Hers, A Different Class and This Is Hardcore were not three of my favorite albums, I am such a pathetic and sad Scott Walker fan that I would immediately rate any band that let him produce their record. ;-)

Nicole, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

No need for this thread, I thought, then I was amazed how many people came up with the dud argument.

His'n'Hers and Different Class alone are enough: classic. How they redeemed the mid-90s for me; the Pinefox's counter-argument is tempting but a classic misunderstanding of a band through discredit- by-association.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Believe it or not, Pulp once asked me to produce them. Since the demo tape they sent me seemed to consist of a note for note steal of OMD's 'Enola Gay', I passed.

I'm sure the curse of Momus would have put Pulp somewhere between World of Twist and Denim. And Michael Jackson, his sails full of the wind of unchallenged messianic megalomania, would have made five brilliant new pop albums all produced by Cornelius.

Momus, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

World of Twist have cropped up a couple of times recently. Good band, I'm saying.

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Pulp would have been Classic if they'd split up after _Separations_ and never released another record.

alex thomson, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I have this horrible paranoid feeling I'm missing out on something...I dunno, Pulp have just never struck me as being *that* great, but I think I'll have to investigate them further(ie listen to something that isn't 'Different Class'). Mr Cocker does irritate me though, especially those fucking STUPID glasses he wears. HMV, here I come...

DG, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Which glasses, the big black framed ones with clear glass or the big black framed ones with yellowed glass? Both horrendous - does anyone else remember when Damon Albarn and Richey James took to wearing those ghastly things too? Did Jarvis miss the memo that they stopped wearing them?

Ally, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

classic. jarvis cocker is a pimp.

ernest, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic - though readily acknowledge foxys views on consensus.

Within two days stevie t mentions the heartstopping 'days in the trees' by Noman and now yous mention the wonderful WORLD OF tWIST, ILILM.

Geordie Racer, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic -- but! When I first heard of them, I was put off for a long while, as the picture of Jarvis in the _Volume_ 1992 issue I read with him in it was vile, and the track ("She's Dead") good but not great. Then I heard _His 'n' Hers_ years later and there we are. Founded the online fan list and everything.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well "She's Dead" is my favourite Pulp song ever and I even like the Freaks album. Anyone who says dud obviously hasn't listened enough! Go and buy "Separations" this instant!

EdwardO, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, I *have* _Separations_ and I've owned it for years. Calm, sir, calm! Embrace it! I enjoy the song now, but not then. Times change. We grow old and die. Robots pick apart our bones and use them for crude weapons. Etc.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

That was the first verse of Ned's new song that he's penning for Radiohead, how does everyone like it?

Ally, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

You forgot the reversed tapes, buried computer noise and 1993 Warp-era drum samples. Other than that, perfect!

"In conclusion/A meaning wasn't had/Reflecting on the situation/Of a problem/Again."

Not appearing on the "Pyramid Song" B-side anytime soon.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well in the U.K.: classic The rest of the world: a massive whatever. Personally is say dud. Except 'Common People' of course, which is undeniable classic. And yes, World of Twist are/were? superior.

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

total classic. no argument.

but i almost never play them anymore. somehow, its seems too reminiscent of 1995. it seems almost wrong to play them now, out of that context (speaking subjectively here). this is a shame really, because they are such a classic. i hardly play stereolab any more either.

sometimes bands seems very tied to a particular era, and its difficult to extricate them from that.

everything post-different class is slightly disappointing

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

my sister. aged 8. found a world of twist 12" in the basement of her school.

they were good too. regardless of barney sumner's 'we are weird' comments on jukebox jury

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

World Of Twist weren't better than Pulp. But they were really good (the album was a bit patchy though). "The Storm", "Sons Of The Stage", "Sweets" - a complete singles collection* available for under a quid I'd imagine from your local second-hand emporium. Unless you live in America, but then you get to mutter about this really cool band you know that nobody else does. So the trade-off is worth it.

*OK not complete. The "She's A Rainbow" cover is best ignored and I've never, alas, heard "The Sausage".

Tom, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Were too! ;) World of Twist are the musical equivalent of the secret handshake with which Reynoldsishtas identify each other, right?

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Fucking World of Twist. I'm with Barney.

Snub TV, circa 1990. World of Twist playing 'The Storm' and then being interviewed.

"We definitely see ourselves as a pop band, not rock" says the monkey boy leader. Much nodding of heads from the other band members.

I sit there and think "Yeah yeah, like you're so radical for saying that. God this indieboy pro-pop thing is starting to annoy me"

The funny thing is, looking back I'm not even sure why I thought this. Whose line did I think World of Twist were parroting? It wasn't like I was familiar with early 80s NME rhetoric. How did I get so opinionated so young? Maybe I just thought they'd nicked ideas I'd started to have about pop music and were cross that they'd made a hash of it.

Pulp: CLASSIC by the way, but I completely sympathise with pinefox's attempt to locate his problem with consensus outside the trappings of moronic snobbery. Don't understand why everyone is going on about 'Common People'. If ever there was a song that has been completely newtered through overexposure, that is it. I tend to skip it when I listen to 'Different Class' now.

What I find weird about 'This Is Hardcore' is that it contains perhaps their two finest achievements in the title track and 'The Fear', one pretty good track in 'Help the Aged', and then the rest is just treading water. Seriously, when I first put on the album and heard the opening track, I thought it was going to be the best record ever made. Then that godawful line about sharing the same initials as Jesus came on (is there anything more annoying than when he repeats it at the end of the song in case you didn't catch how clever it was the first time round?) and disillusion set in once more. *sigh*

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

PULP=GREAT - classic.

great to know I'm not the only one to still be into world of twist too - can I be a smartarse and say I've got the "blackpool tower suite" 12"?

norman fay, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I can see what Gareth means about Pulp seeming tied to their moment, but they still bring back positive memories for me. Being slightly younger than some on this forum, "His'n'Hers" and "Different Class" remind me of the first time pop transcended life for me, and that's never going to seem trapped in a particular place or time.

That said, it's quite a while since I've played any of their albums.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

_tih_ is the only album i've heard. "the fear" and the title track blew me away enough to buy the album. what a disappointment the rest was! i'm glad to know that some pulp fans feel the same way. what's a good album to check out?

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

different class.

intro.

gareth, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm, Different Class I remember as being pretty good, although I haven't listned to it in a couple of years or more since my copy was either stolen or lost. His n Hers has three very good tracks and the rest passes me by. This Is Hardcore was a great single which was criminally undervalued by most people, as far as I could see. I haven't heard much more, so maybe I'm not the best qualified to answer the question. Which is good, cos I don't really have an answer. They are the definition of alright, perhaps.

Ally C, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
i borrowed the library's copy of _dc_ and fell pathetically in love. i think i've played "disco 2000" 10 times in the past two days. i am an offical anglophile (tm). colonial mentality, i suppose.

and i fantasize about english countrysides when listening to yes, too, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, that's not difficult with a prissy middle-class voice like Jon Anderson ...

(not that anyone I've ever met talks or, indeed, sings like that.)

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
"Party Hard" reminds me quite a lot of Bowie. This is the best band ever, I've slowly decided. This man is dangerous--he just shot his load on your best party frock. Before you enter the palace of wisdom, you have to decide: are you ready to rock?

My god. I'm selling the rest of my CDs and just keeping the Pulp, any bidders?

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I still am bitter that the World of Twist got dragged into this somehow.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I need to reread the thread later, then. I never minded World of Twist, actually.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

"This man is dangerous--he just shot his load on your best party frock. Before you enter the palace of wisdom, you have to decide: are you ready to rock?"

Is this a Pulp lyric? It's amazing whatever it is.

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, it is from the song "Party Hard".

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Which is like the greatest song, besides all of Pulp's other songs.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

See, further proof! I don't remember that line at all!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I love it in "Party Hard" when the bassline goes all Duran.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

DURAN! Spencer, I never even thought of that comparison before. Wow.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

That IS good. Spencer you genius man, write more music thoughts for FT and everything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
i bought different class in hawaii along with a judy garland and mickey rooney box set

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i listened to it while driving through the crater-like landscapes of the big island

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:08 (sixteen years ago) link

what do we think about this

a total laugh package (s.clover), Monday, 17 November 2014 20:16 (six years ago) link

This needs more Pulp and less kids reactions/random English fans/dance teams rehearsing/etc.

Also the opening mix of the live "Common People" sounds like it was performed on a Casio in a drain pipe.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:09 (six years ago) link

Is there an actual Pulp documentary out there? Like w footage of music videos and performances?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:11 (six years ago) link

it's brilliant this, way better than the recent hyped up pop/rock docs (Made Of Stone, Shut Up And Play The Hits etc)

there's a ton of other Pulp stuff; mini-docs etc. check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz4fIxPQBvc

piscesx, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:16 (six years ago) link

this new doc was utterly routine save for the kid in the DUDE shirt

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:49 (six years ago) link

Classic, for 'Babies' and 'Common People'.

That's all I need by them

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 11:52 (six years ago) link

pulp have a lot going on and this docu reduces it all down to some v. obv elements of 'different class' -- like it would go well with some town full of laid off miner strippers and a boy who wants to dance and idk something about football?

a total laugh package (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 03:55 (six years ago) link

one month passes...
two years pass...

Christ, Freaks is such a strange record... on one hand, you can hear a very rough version of the band that they would eventually become but on the other, there's these bizarre tracks that are reminiscent of early Gorky's Zygotic Mynci(!) ... Jarvis' fake Morrissey vibrato on this record is hilarious, too.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:01 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

Listening to Different Class right now for the first time in a long time, and while the likes of 'Common People' and 'Disco 2000' are starting to feel relatively fresh to my ears these days (they were both inescapable in the mid '90s), the tracks that are grabbing me this time around are the lesser cited deep cuts like 'Live Bed Show' and 'Underwear' ... I remember thinking at the time that 'Something Changed' was my least favourite of the singles released from this album, but now it's one of my absolute favourites, and 'F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E' sounds as great as ever.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:44 (three years ago) link

Underwear is quite possibly their best song. Live 105 in the Bay Area gave it steady rotation in the fall of ‘95. First song that turned me onto Pulp.

LimbsKing, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 20:54 (three years ago) link

That's incredible! It wasn't released as a single here or anything, and I think half the album (or something like that) had been released as a single by the time it had run its course.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:31 (three years ago) link

It was a b-side of Common People fwiw

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:48 (three years ago) link

Different Class is perfect, just a towering achievement in songwriting. My only complaint is that "I Spy" might be a little too long? I don't know, that's really nitpicking.

On a theory note, these guys really love the IV-iv turnaround.

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:56 (three years ago) link

Something I wrote about Underwear a couple of years back, with links to various live versions, etc. - https://pulpsongs.wordpress.com/2015/12/18/underwear/

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 21:58 (three years ago) link

aaah I haven't listened to this album in years. It reminds me so much of trips to London, hanging around in bars and clubs circa 96...
I think I remember passing in front of Bar Italia !
Anyway, I would have to listen to it again but iirc it was such a great album.
I remember particularly liking "E's & Wizz" and the over the top disco moment in "I Spy" !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 08:28 (three years ago) link

When I heard 'Disco 2000' last night, I was amazed at just how well it slotted in with all the new wave/synthpop I've been listening to a lot over the last few years. If I'd never heard the song before and you told me it had been released anywhere between 1977 and 1983 instead of 1995, I wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:50 (three years ago) link

If it weren't for the lyrics, you could convince me that Disco 2000 came out last week

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 20:47 (three years ago) link

disco 2000 doesn't sound like it was recorded in the early 80s wtf are you talking about turrican

the drum sound, the guitar tone, the clarity...

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:06 (three years ago) link

voodoo chilli otm, tho

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:07 (three years ago) link

i mean, i guess its not that far off from a de-funkified "my own way", but it sounds totally un-80s imo

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:08 (three years ago) link

defunkified "my own way" in terms of the beat or whatever

nevermind me, no reponse necc, i don't care anymore

understood by moron level and above (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:08 (three years ago) link

It's okay, I didn't in the first place. You're wrong, anyway.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:32 (three years ago) link

In fact, generally speaking that particular era of UK guitar music were more influenced by the late '70s and early '80s than the '60s, which is what everyone seems to think. Aside from Oasis, whose influences are more early-mid '70s. There's more "'80s" in Pulp and Blur than folks realise or want to admit.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 21:41 (three years ago) link

Those cowards who don't dare to point out that britpop had influences that they freely admit in interviews

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:05 (three years ago) link

*britpop bands

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:05 (three years ago) link

Pulp formed in the 70s and active for the whole of the 80s so what are you on about?

everything, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 23:21 (three years ago) link

^ is implying that It sounds like Different Class or His 'n' Hers, when it doesn't.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 06:54 (three years ago) link

Oh, and Britpop didn't exist.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 06:55 (three years ago) link

Also, Wings are influenced by the 60s

everything, Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:01 (three years ago) link

But yeah, 'Disco 2000' with its "disco" beat that a lot of British bands were utilising in the late '70s/early '80s, with its guitar riff that seems like it's been beamed directly from the late '70s Blondie song, vintage keyboards and a chorus that wouldn't have sounded out of place on a Dexys Midnight Runners track circa Too-Rye-Ay ... yeah, I'd say it fits in snugly.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:03 (three years ago) link

Yes, Wings are influenced by the '60s - thanks for that, Captain Obvious.

Pulp's early '80s work, although Cocker's voice is in place from the off, has a very different set of influences. It comes from a different place than the work which actually defines them.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:08 (three years ago) link

Disco 2000 seems like it was heavily influenced by Denim's 1st album especially "I'm Against the 80s" & "Here is my Song for Europe".

everything, Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:24 (three years ago) link

sounds like mid period Jimmy Eat World iirc

ur-oik (rip van wanko), Thursday, 23 November 2017 08:29 (three years ago) link

Disco 2000 is about 50% Gloria by Laura Branigan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=355Fk8drgZE

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:22 (three years ago) link

ahah otm re : Laura Branigan !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:30 (three years ago) link

also I agree that mid90s brit guitar pop was more influenced by 70s and 80s bands and sounds than 60s.
as for "Different Class". I listened to it yesterday following this thread.
Actually, although they're great, I don't think I need to hear "Common People", "Disco 2000" and most of the rest again.
I still enjoy "Es&Wizz" and "Underwear". Also agree that "Live Bed Show", which I never particularly liked, might be the one I find the most interesting now.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 23 November 2017 09:35 (three years ago) link

woah is she wearing a lightning bolt belt in that video? so cool!

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 23 November 2017 15:42 (three years ago) link

But yeah, 'Disco 2000' with its "disco" beat that a lot of British bands were utilising in the late '70s/early '80s, with its guitar riff that seems like it's been beamed directly from the late '70s Blondie song, vintage keyboards and a chorus that wouldn't have sounded out of place on a Dexys Midnight Runners track circa Too-Rye-Ay ... yeah, I'd say it fits in snugly.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:03 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's nothing new under the sun, asshole

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 15:48 (three years ago) link

obviously "Disco 2000" is influenced by the 70s, it has the word "Disco" in the title fergodsake

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 15:50 (three years ago) link

^ Wow, check out this charmer!

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 16:25 (three years ago) link

turrican, you have a tendency to point out the most obvious of musical observations and present them as if you have some sort of special listening ability that makes your judgment superior to everybody else's. please stop.

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:03 (three years ago) link

most people on this board can discuss music without intimating that everyone who doesn't share their every opinion is a dullard

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:06 (three years ago) link

Brimstead stated that he couldn't understand what I was getting at and I explained it. Cue your howl of pain. This could have potentially have blossomed into a great discussion about a band we all like, but you and brimstead clearly can't help yourselves, it seems.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:14 (three years ago) link

Anyway, to steer us away from this nonsense, I listened to This is Hardcore earlier and 'The Day After The Revolution' completely blew me away. Maybe it would have benefitted from being a couple of songs shorter, but I can't decide which ones... all the ones that tend to get cited as lesser moments: 'Sylvia', 'I'm a Man', 'TV Movie', 'A Little Soul' are ones that I still really like a lot.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:18 (three years ago) link

'Seductive Barry' surely must be one of the best things this band have ever done...

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:19 (three years ago) link

what
is
this
feeling called challops

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:23 (three years ago) link

sorry couldn't resist, but i totally disagree about Seductive Barry, which is overwrought even by the standards of an intentionally (and often blissfully) indulgent album like This Is Hardcore

voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:24 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

I hadn't heard it since I was about 15, but I've had "Babies" stuck in my head for a few days, so I popped on the record today, and Christ, I forgot how brilliant this song is.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 January 2021 01:31 (one week ago) link

I was pretty obsessed with this is hardcore in the spring of 2002 but “seductive barry” did absolutely nothing for me

brimstead, Thursday, 14 January 2021 01:50 (one week ago) link


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