Poll: Bandwagonesque v. Nevermind v. Loveless

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I don't think this has been done before, but it seems a natural comparison to me. Three great albums released in 1991; one among the most perfect examples of power-pop, the next a game-changing album of ferocious rock; and the last a classic noise-rock album. One named by SPIN Magazine as the best album of 1991, the other two routinely named among the most significant rock albums of the past 20 years. And some commentators have already done a compare-and-contrast:

I don’t want to get into how or why Bandwagonesque beat Nevermind for Spin’s Album of the Year, 1991. I don’t want to discuss the obvious thematic similarities between the money bag and the baby with the dollar bill. And I’m not going to insist that, while Nevermind indeed shows some wrinkles 16 years after the fact (it’s not particularly well-sequenced, and it drags a bit between “Drain You” and “Something In the Way”), Bandwagonesque is still pretty much perfect, because it’s not.

Tiny Mix Tapes

Let’s make one thing perfectly clear at the outset: I don’t care about SPIN Magazine’s 1991 year end list. My disdain for Bandwagonesque has nothing to do with (and predates my knowledge of) the fact that Teenage Fanclub’s second album beat out Nevermind and Loveless for top honours. Thirteen years later, who cares? At the time, Bandwagonesque certainly seemed like a huge improvement on the band’s muddy, only intermittently bearable debut A Catholic Education, and they were certainly exploring a sound few others were at the time.

Stylus Magazine

I’m interested in your thoughts. So:

Poll Results

OptionVotes
https://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Brad/loveless-1.jpg 74
http://outlandinstitute.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/nirvana_nevermind_front1.jpg 72
http://www.connollyco.com/discography/teenage_fanclub/bandwagonesque_hi.jpg 36


Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

i had to click on this thread cuz i couldn't remember what bandwagonesque even was.

scott seward, Sunday, 5 July 2009 01:44 (twelve years ago) link

anyway, loveless wins cuz i like it. and i've never heard the other ones. (well, i've heard nirvana. just not the whole album.)

scott seward, Sunday, 5 July 2009 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

Nevermind, geez

Niles Caulder, Sunday, 5 July 2009 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

Bandwagonesque is a great album but it's going to get so slaughtered here it'll be embarassing.

Sean Carruthers, Sunday, 5 July 2009 02:09 (twelve years ago) link

FYI this poll's broken for images off ppl.

bro down syndrome (Trayce), Sunday, 5 July 2009 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

Yikes. Sorry about that. Do you mean you can't see the options? (They're images of the album covers).

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 02:19 (twelve years ago) link

surely screamadelica should be included in this as well.

keythkeythkeyth, Sunday, 5 July 2009 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

1991 albums better than nevermind:

talk talk - laughing stock

bathory - twilight of the gods

slowdive - just for a day

jesus lizard - goat

slint - spiderland

paradise lost - gothic

mercury rev - yerself is steam

the field mice - for keeps

cows - cunning stunts

neil young - arc

coil - love's secret domain

ween - the pod

massive attack - blue lines

pixies - trompe le monde

carcass - necroticism: descanting the insalubrious

n.w.a. - efil4zaggin

death - human

kmd - mr.hood

geto boys - we can't be stopped

ice cube - death certificate

the orb - the orb's adventures beyond the ultraworld

morbid angel - blessed are the sick

bolt thrower - war master

autopsy - mental funeral

swans - white light from the mouth of infinity

dismember - like an ever flowing stream

entombed - clandestine

matthew sweet - girlfriend

scott seward, Sunday, 5 July 2009 02:32 (twelve years ago) link

Not really familiar with Screamadelica, but I thought it was more of a departure from rock (into house, maybe?). Of Scott's list, I do think Laughing Stock would make sense in the poll (rock disc with massive influence). Matthew Sweet's disc is certainly great, but I kind of feel like it's a step down from Bandwagonesque, Nevermind, Loveless and Laughing Stock.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 02:36 (twelve years ago) link

But wow, maybe Screamadelica should have been an option:

There's no overestimating the importance of Screamadelica, the record that brought acid house, techno, and rave culture crashing into the British mainstream -- an impact that rivaled that of Nirvana's Nevermind, the other 1991 release that changed rock.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 02:39 (twelve years ago) link

love's secret domain was so goddamn great

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Sunday, 5 July 2009 02:47 (twelve years ago) link

i think i may have bought all three of these albums on the same day

couldn't tell you the last time i listened to any of em

c.c. crabcock (electricsound), Sunday, 5 July 2009 03:09 (twelve years ago) link

primal scream were such a bad band that made terrible music. you have to remember that. mudhoney peter fonda biker sample intro beats everything primal scream ever did.

scott seward, Sunday, 5 July 2009 03:12 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway, I love all three poll options. But I have a weakness for power-pop, so I lean toward Bandwagonesque.

(Sean's comment upthread is probably right, tho: Bandwagonesque will probably get steamrolled.)

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 03:19 (twelve years ago) link

Nevermind > Loveless > Bandwagonesque

I like Teenage Fanclub, but I never understood the appeal of this particular album. It's quite bad IMO. Grand Prix is about a million times better.

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Sunday, 5 July 2009 04:05 (twelve years ago) link

lovelsess by so much

unbandictionary (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 July 2009 04:13 (twelve years ago) link

Nevermind

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 5 July 2009 07:23 (twelve years ago) link

TF & Nirvana voters proudly announce themselves. Defenders of one or more of the ridiculous aggregation of brilliant LPs that dropped in 91 make their cases. Silent MBV voters tip the scale toward a massive landslide victory b/c this is ILX.

Went w/ Kev fwiw (yawn)

Banned on the Fourth of July (Pillbox), Sunday, 5 July 2009 07:41 (twelve years ago) link

In what way is 'Just for a Day' better than 'Nevermind'?

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 5 July 2009 08:18 (twelve years ago) link

while it may be difficult to objectively argue that it's "better" i'd much rather listen to jfad than nevermind

c.c. crabcock (electricsound), Sunday, 5 July 2009 08:20 (twelve years ago) link

But would you rather listen to JJ Fad than Nevermind? JFA?

Bored on the Fifth of July (Pillbox), Sunday, 5 July 2009 08:25 (twelve years ago) link

yes

scott seward, Sunday, 5 July 2009 13:14 (twelve years ago) link

Poll is broken. Loveless x 1000.

Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Sunday, 5 July 2009 13:21 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah. It looks fine to me, but apparently people without images turned on can't see the options (which are album covers, rather than text names). My bad; I'm not very tech savvy. I'll see if something can be done about it.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

Voted Nevermind but if Screamadelica had been on here I would have had to think about it really hard.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 5 July 2009 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

And probably would have voted for B.A.D. II The Globe over either, but this I recognize as an idiosyncrasy.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 5 July 2009 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

surely screamadelica should be included in this as well.

1991 albums better than nevermind:

No, and no.

billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

Without question, this are the 3 best albums of 1991. Good poll.

billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

these*

billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

Okay.. I might put The Low End Theory over Bandwagonesque, but 3 out of the top 4 is not bad.

billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

no and yes. between this thread and that stones throw poll, scott seward = REAL TALK xxxpost

Matt P, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

Out of everything in that list I've heard, only The Pod and Orb's Adventures.. would come close. (That Matthew Sweet album is def not better than Nevermind, nor is Mr. Hood, the least impressive Pixies album, Blue Lines, or any Morbid Angel LP.)

billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

billstevejim you struck me as potentially a big Jesus Lizard fan but I guess not!

Matt P, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:50 (twelve years ago) link

and the talk talk is like better than all three in this poll combined

Matt P, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

I'm into Jesus Lizard, but I've only heard 3 songs from that album, and all of Liar.. Not especially into that Talk Talk album.. I've tried many times.

billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

"Nevermind"

"Grand Prix" >>>> "Nevermind" though.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

ILM must have changed a lot for this not to be obvious

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not saying that's a good or bad thing BTW

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

I assume you mean it will be Loveless? It's funny; when I first thought of the poll, it was going to be only Bandwagonesque v. Nevermind, because I remember people complaining about and/or laughing at SPIN Magazine for making Bandwagonesque -- instead of Nevermind -- their No. 1 album of 1991. But as I was putting the poll together, I read that article from Stylus (RIP), in which the author was all worked up that Bandwagonesque topped both Nevermind and Loveless. At that point, I remembered, "Hey, Loveless was from 1991!," and figured it would have to one of the choices. As I say, maybe Laughing Stock should have been a choice, too.

I'm just pointing out that it seems to me that Loveless (and Laughing Stock) came into its current status over a longer period of time.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

surely screamadelica should be included in this as well.

and what about seamonsters! as a noise rock album it may not be as innovative as loveless but there is something down to earth to it which it makes it very dear to my heart.

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

btw i voted bandwagonesque. as it took me such a long time to realise it's geniuzs. in the beginning i found it a bland and boring indie pop album.

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

how old you were in 1991 (and maybe whether you're a yank or britishish) will probably determine things here. big points to nevermind for being partially recorded in wisconsin. there are still stories in madison about a broke kurt and co hitting the bars around the capitol square

kamerad, Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

I was in my early 20s in 1991. Nevermind felt like it detonated over the music landscape. I still love it (and Loveless, too), but I seek out Bandwagonesque much more often. And it has my vote.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

^ OTM

john. a resident of chicago., Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjT58fvDpVk

billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

23 y/o at the time these came out. Didn't like Nevermind much then (kept getting into arguments at work about whether to play an advance copy of that or Galaxie 500) and can't imagine listening to it now except for research. The massive success of that album still strikes me as a huge historical mistake, on par with the lionization of Daydream Nation.

Might listen to Loveless for fun, but again I've always prefered Isn't Anything and still don't get what the Loveless fuss was all about.

Might listen to Bandwagonesque for light fun, and it was awfully catchy at the time...probably my favorite of the three in '91. I still think Spin got it right.

Today I look at that list and Talk Talk jumps out as the album I actually play because I want to hear it, with Swans and Pixies trailing slightly behind.

Personally speaking, the arrival of Chickfactor the next year was a much more significant event than any of these.

dlp9001, Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

I was 17 in 1991 - "Nevermind" definitely felt like a massive sea change to me at the time. After interminable 80's hair bands, generic indie, and rave/dance music, it was like someone had swept the chicken carcasses from the banqueting table. After losing a lot of interest in music between '89 and '91, Nirvana's album was one of the things that got me right back into it. I won't vote for it though. As the Tiny Mix Tapes review at the top of the thread mentions, it's badly sequenced on side two and just drags. OTOH I won't be voting for TFC, because "Grand Prix" >>>>>>> "Bandwagonesque". I'm not familiar enough with MBV to vote for "Loveless" either. So I guess that makes me an I-hate-fun-me curmudgeon, or perhaps someone who's just knocked out that I'm now more that twice the age I was when these albums came out.

snoball, Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

do you ever think some ppl are fronting with this whole OMG WEEN/BOLT THROWER/COWS IS BETTER THAN NEVERMIND shit nowadays?

making plans for nagl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

yup absolutely

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

Did you mean: "Elizabeth Hurley was in Crash."

No results found for "Elizabeth Hurley was in Crass.".

Mark G, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

"scott no offense but your posts on this thread have reminded me why i'm glad you haven't been posting on my 90s/00s sonic youth threads, lol"

hahaha! i have to give SOME people a break. i also stay away from all smashing pumpkins threads and all latter-day flaming lips threads.

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

anyone prettier than paul simonon in punk?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_StfQ_dy7LhQ/SUwqSs0OB-I/AAAAAAAACv8/xyHgof4lEPM/s400/disneyrollergirl+paul+simonon.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

if he hadn't existed, bruce weber would have had to invent him.

http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?uid=AAAAAQAQvcdhTPGjVjgTQ6O-dJxVzwAAAAo39h8xvSlpFQfCp1i49J5l

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

That's Peter Murphy.

(xpost)

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

Paul looks like Nikki Sixx now, alas.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

that guy looks very stoopid. he isn't feeling very comfortable in his outfit. wtf is he doing with his hands in the second photograph? it looks as if he had lost his handcuffs. what a git.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

he just happened to have the looks of a male model

Kurt was cute. But male model cute? Really? For one thing, he was too short (for the runway).

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

blah blah blah

soulDischarge_mxli, Saturday, 11 July 2009 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

lol. Still hoping Bandwagonesque makes a respectable showing (I've given up the ghost on it winning).

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 11 July 2009 02:56 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 12 July 2009 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

I like all three of these, but I gotta go with Loveless

da croupier, Monday, 13 July 2009 02:09 (twelve years ago) link

I actually just bought my CD copy of Bandwagonesque a few months ago, replacing an old tape copy.

da croupier, Monday, 13 July 2009 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

if it was a catholic education v bleach v isn't anything it would be more straightforward

phillippa minge (electricsound), Monday, 13 July 2009 02:22 (twelve years ago) link

Actually that would be much harder for me!!

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 13 July 2009 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

Never got the love for A Catholic Education, but it sounds like the kind of album I should like. Must try again, I guess.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 13 July 2009 03:02 (twelve years ago) link

Not sure how one can list 28 albums supposedly better than Nevermind if you hadn't even heard it all. I loved Nirvana but when I heard it, I hated the production and some of the songs felt unfinished. I was all about Slint and MBV, Massive Attack, Talk Talk, Public Enemy and The Jesus Lizard. Nirvana grew on me later to sneak into top 10. I remember buying Bandwagonesque around Thanksgiving after seeing it in that Spin issue and like the Big Star-isms. But it barely made my top 25.

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 13 July 2009 05:11 (twelve years ago) link

if it was a catholic education v bleach v isn't anything it would be more straightforward - how about In Utero vs. Thirteen vs. that Wire cover?

gayest flash mob pillow fight yet (Pillbox), Monday, 13 July 2009 05:40 (twelve years ago) link

or everything flows vs love buzz vs you made me realise

phillippa minge (electricsound), Monday, 13 July 2009 05:47 (twelve years ago) link

hmmm.. now there's a poll!

gayest flash mob pillow fight yet (Pillbox), Monday, 13 July 2009 05:59 (twelve years ago) link

I like all three of these, but I gotta go with Loveless

― da croupier, Monday, 13 July 2009 02:09 (4 hours ago) Permalink

Bradolf Pittler (latebloomer), Monday, 13 July 2009 06:56 (twelve years ago) link

how about omg! they're still making records? so boring! who cares? vs. kurt you fucker i can still barely listen to my nirvana records vs. who needs a sequel to Loveless? we have Belong now

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 13 July 2009 07:56 (twelve years ago) link

loveless. no contest.

m the g, Monday, 13 July 2009 08:01 (twelve years ago) link

I missed this thread because I've been hiking the Appalachian trail for the last few weeks. I went with Nevermind b/c I like pop music and it's the best pop album of the three (on that front, "Lounge Act" over "Alcoholiday" over "Sometimes" but all three are hot). Its mass success felt like vindication of...something...at the time but that was just a dream. Nowadays we can just talk about the tunes, though each album scratches different itches, ergo the kinda distracted discussion here. I'd like to read more pro-Bandwagonesque here, just b/c we've talked about the other two many times before. "Alcoholiday"'s "there are things I want to do but I don't know if they will be with you" just kills, such insouciant ambivalence.

Euler, Monday, 13 July 2009 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

I missed this thread because I've been hiking the Appalachian trail for the last few weeks

You might have missed something else.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 July 2009 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

Insert appropriate ironic emoticon here.

Euler, Monday, 13 July 2009 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

:^I

tylerw, Monday, 13 July 2009 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

he was really in south america with his mistress.

scott seward, Monday, 13 July 2009 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

"Not sure how one can list 28 albums supposedly better than Nevermind if you hadn't even heard it all."

eh, i've heard enough. has there ever been a live through this -vs- nevermind poll? cuz i like that album a lot. that's probably the best grunge-related album there is.

scott seward, Monday, 13 July 2009 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

the poll should be bandwagonesque vs. loveless vs. seamonsters. nevermind is not only from a different continent but it also ha a totally different vibe. and speed of course. as an american poll there could be nevermind vs. gish vs. goat. and i would go probably for the wonderful tripping hard rock of <a href="http://musik.antville.org/stories/993832";>gish</a>.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

will i ever those ilx tags?

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

will i ever learn i meant, sorry.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

Ooh, one hour to go! Exciting!

Mark G, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

voted Nevermind, MJ's death has made me re-examine my roots

sonderangerbot, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 13 July 2009 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

i have learned from all this that all three album titles are compound words, and the one with the least letters won

kamerad, Monday, 13 July 2009 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

Hm. After having my expectations shaped by reading the thread, I was surprised by two things in the results: (a) it was closer than expected between Loveless and Nevermind (74 votes to 72 votes) and (b) Bandwagonesque did okay (36 votes).

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 14 July 2009 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I was going to say - the order is exactly what I was expecting, but I was expecting Loveless to run way out in front, and was expecting Bandwagonesque to maybe languish in the teens. I'm glad all three were repped reasonably strongly.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

as they should since all 3 are amazing

billstevejim, Friday, 17 July 2009 06:07 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

1991 albums better than nevermind:

* * * *

coil - love's secret domain

* * * *

― scott seward, Saturday, July 4, 2009

__________________________________

love's secret domain was so goddamn great

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Saturday, July 4, 2009

the album stream on youtube is making a convincing argument for this album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DewJHJlYOIU

can't find it for sale on itunes, bandcamp, or boomkat. obscure!

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 15 February 2014 23:57 (eight years ago) link

Yeah it's out of print, sadly. Saw it for $500+ on Amazon!

Classic album though!

iFrankenstein (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 February 2014 06:44 (eight years ago) link

Bandwagonesque is the only album that doesn't sound dated to me 23-years-hence. Nirvana were never as good as their buzz and Loveless (Tremolo and Isn't Anything were far superior) was never as good as the ideals of the critics.

Fanclub's album is the only one of these that i might listen to when i turn 80, if only for it making me feel young.

Also, add Peggy Suicide (Julian Cope) and anything that Levitation put out in '91 for trix more involving than anything Nevermind had to offer (save, "Where Did You Sleep Last Nite", which is one of the smartest covers ever).

bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 February 2014 09:13 (eight years ago) link

Fanclub's album is the only one of these that i might listen to when i turn 80, if only for it making me feel young.

100% OTM. this album makes me feel young.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 17 February 2014 00:14 (eight years ago) link

mon frere

bodacious ignoramus, Monday, 17 February 2014 08:29 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

gonna pop a bag of chicarrones and dig into this mighty thread. I do not get bandwagonsque at all, apart from the last track. Why did they waste the best hook on an instrumental!?!

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 23:59 (two weeks ago) link

talk talk - laughing stock

This is a work of genius. However, comparing it to Nevermind is like comparing apples and giraffes.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:02 (two weeks ago) link

comparing these albums is unfair, but if you could only keep one band's catalog (and the other two disappear from existence), ya gotta go w/ TFC

alpine static, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:10 (two weeks ago) link

talk talk - laughing stock
eh

bathory - twilight of the gods
Is this their Viking stuff? No thanks

slowdive - just for a day
this is fine

jesus lizard - goat
dude’s voice = no

slint - spiderland
dude’s voice = no

paradise lost - gothic
lol no

mercury rev - yerself is steam
dude’s voice = no

the field mice - for keeps
some of this is amazing but some of it is terrible

cows - cunning stunts
haven’t heard

neil young - arc
fuck yes

coil - love's secret domain
I am too lame to enjoy Coil but I love the idea of them or whatever

ween - the pod
sounded great when I was 21 and trippin

massive attack - blue lines
not a massive attack fan

brimstead, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:22 (two weeks ago) link

the rest of those albums are pretty good to great. sorry for all that.. eeesh

brimstead, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:25 (two weeks ago) link

I really hope you lot are all confusing Arc with Weld.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 9 May 2022 08:19 (one week ago) link


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