Why does Lady Gaga get a free pass from hipsters?

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Lady Gaga is basically singing Britney Spears songs (I actually though it was Britney the first time I heard Poker Face), but since she dresses like Fischerspooner and acts like an "artist" she's given a free pass? Sure, she might actually be able to sing, but I don't see the Cobrasnake crowd championing Christina Aguilera.

makeitpop, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:39 (ten years ago) link

oh geeeeez

surm, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:40 (ten years ago) link

take the wave to shea

fourteen junkies too weak to work (G00blar), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:41 (ten years ago) link

wwb_sd

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:41 (ten years ago) link

yea, and the stupid new yorker article

surm, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:42 (ten years ago) link

tbh "lady gaga" and "hipsters" in the same sentence is making me a little queasy

surm, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:43 (ten years ago) link

it should be a policy to not respond to makeitpop threads but the answer to this one is easy: besides not knowing what you even mean by hipsters, or even if hipsters are giving a free pass to gaga, or if anyone should even care, i think the answer is largely because for a long while before she was a pop star gaga was a performer in presumably hip nyc clubs doing burlesque stuff and the like. she has street cred to put it one way, as opposed to brit or xtina

let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:44 (ten years ago) link

god she is such a horseface

let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:44 (ten years ago) link

it's basically impossible for her to be sexy

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:44 (ten years ago) link

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

gangsta hug (omar little), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:44 (ten years ago) link

i would like to understand where she came from tbh

DUDE, I DON'T LOSE (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:46 (ten years ago) link

also "poker face" doesn't sound like britney

surm, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:47 (ten years ago) link

Lady Ga Ga writes her own material.

Yes, that is important.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:48 (ten years ago) link

But whether she is the "new Madonna" or not, well, we'll get the answer to that in 5-10 years.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:48 (ten years ago) link

the phrase "new Madonna" should never be uttered again

surm, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:49 (ten years ago) link

ws, kinda

i would never want a book's autograph (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:50 (ten years ago) link

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

― gangsta hug (omar little), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:44 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

pretzel walrus, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:50 (ten years ago) link

Her tunes are pretty good, the couple that I've heard anyway. She does not give good interview. I don't know whether hipsters give her a free pass or not. Who knows why hipsters do what hipsters do?

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:51 (ten years ago) link

The Britney comparison is referring to her latest albums, not the Baby One More Time era music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FehBgQeVKFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMeucO5dNTA

makeitpop, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:51 (ten years ago) link

A++++ troll

iatee, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:52 (ten years ago) link

i mean, i understand, but the voice is like, not the same.

surm, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:52 (ten years ago) link

Dee Snider looks great on that RS cover tho

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:52 (ten years ago) link

Obviously, Lady Gaga has a more appealing voice, but the attitude, the production, and the silly sexual innuendo seems interchangeable. Either record could have been released by either artist.

makeitpop, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:53 (ten years ago) link

Lady Gaga: The Original Hipster Grifter

1899 Horsey Horseless (HI DERE), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:53 (ten years ago) link

who is makeitpop a sock of?

languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:54 (ten years ago) link

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

can't be said enough

Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:55 (ten years ago) link

Had this stuck in my head recently, thanks ILM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qRPzBrtYMQ

da croupier, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:56 (ten years ago) link

lady gaga, jay leno & dave matthews in one issue of Rolling Stone. I'm making a bee line to the newsstand.

pj, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:58 (ten years ago) link

Obviously, Lady Gaga has a more appealing voice, but the attitude, the production, and the silly sexual innuendo seems interchangeable. Either record could have been released by either artist.

1. Lady Ga Ga writes her own material
2. Britney has never written a song

VERY important difference!!!!

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:59 (ten years ago) link

no it isn't, shut up

1899 Horsey Horseless (HI DERE), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:59 (ten years ago) link

geir stop

let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 20:59 (ten years ago) link

also percentage of the world that knows that lady gaga writers her own songs and isn't some label controlled robot is probably like 20%

let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:00 (ten years ago) link

also britney has written a song

surm, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:01 (ten years ago) link

much like after you hit suggest ban i think there should be a warning that reminds you that you are about to respond to a geir hongro post

let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:01 (ten years ago) link

lol this is such an obvious trolljob w2g guys

autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:03 (ten years ago) link

dunno if you're talking about makeitpop, geir, gaga or all 3

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:05 (ten years ago) link

I wrote a song, it's called "Geir, Shut the Fuck Up"

Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:09 (ten years ago) link

I hear the lyrics are a little obscure to the uninitiated but the cognoscenti highly satisfying.

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:11 (ten years ago) link

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

The-Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:13 (ten years ago) link

no one fucking likes lady gaga, what the hell is this guy talking about

― gangsta hug (omar little), Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:44 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

― pretzel walrus, Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:50 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

UH i know at least one person who never stops singing JUST DANCE

69, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:14 (ten years ago) link

I wrote a song, it's called "Geir, Shut the Fuck Up"

ysi?

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:15 (ten years ago) link

http://perezhilton.com/2009-06-10-the-hottest-tour-of-the-fall

makeitpop, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:16 (ten years ago) link

perez hilton, hipster

da croupier, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:18 (ten years ago) link

Geir Hipstro

krots tphns (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:19 (ten years ago) link

okay, everyone all together:

FUCK YOU, KANYE

1899 Horsey Horseless (HI DERE), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:19 (ten years ago) link

lady gaga music > lady gaga photos tbh

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:20 (ten years ago) link

defenestration > lady gaga photos

1899 Horsey Horseless (HI DERE), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:21 (ten years ago) link

what kind of free pass do you mean? a bus pass? a train pass?

Local Garda, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 21:22 (ten years ago) link

Suggest this user to be banned.

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the archetypal ghetto hustler (history mayne), Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:05 (nine years ago) link

aw it's cute that you're still holding a torch, hope he appreciates it.

i don't want to give the quietus my custom by clicking the link again but wtf was with john doran's defensive comment frenzy? nagl.

lords of hyrule (c sharp major), Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:18 (nine years ago) link

he genuinely doesn't realize that describing Rihanna as the archetypal ghetto hustler should disqualify you from writing about popular music.

zvookster, Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:49 (nine years ago) link

aw it's cute that you're still holding a torch, hope he appreciates it.

o no u dint

the archetypal ghetto hustler (history mayne), Sunday, 28 February 2010 22:53 (nine years ago) link

"i don't want to give the quietus my custom by clicking the link again but wtf was with john doran's defensive comment frenzy? nagl."

Best bit about that was how, when his argument got completely dismantled by fellow commenters he went into panic mode and resorted to ad hom-ish "LOL U CAN'T SPELL 'AVANT GARDE' LOL" tricks.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Monday, 1 March 2010 08:47 (nine years ago) link

Generally I find this whole discussion about what black and white people listen to boring (why do they have to listen to different stuff in the first place?), but I still find that black people don't deserve to be underrated in that one believes they are only interested in manufactored and mass produced corporate pop. I would choose to believe black people are also able to understand artistic value in pop music, and pop music as having actual artistic merit rather than just business.

And Lady Gaga's fans are probably mostly white anyway.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 1 March 2010 09:23 (nine years ago) link

And btw I also hope the same goes for white middle class people. That they don't let the upper class moneymen steal all their money with manufactured plastic pop, and that the middle class aren't alone in actually preferring more artistically thought out music.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 1 March 2010 09:25 (nine years ago) link

I'm still laughing/offended at the term 'archetypal ghetto hustler' that's some bullshit...
The argument that black people do not really appreciate music with actual merit is totally false, you just have to look at the history of black culture and music to see that.
As for Rihanna, she is only able to be 'weird and edgy' because she's been so successful and has such an aggressive and smart marketing, production team etc. Plus other artists clearly paved the way like Grace Jones, Kelis, M.I.A and if anyone is aping Lady GaGa it is only because that is what is selling right now. If you don't really write your own lyrics (LIKE BEYONCE) or generally have any creative input into your music/style/image/personality (like Rihanna) then clearly you're only going to be about what will make you lots of dollar. It really just comes down to money imo.

RubyNoir, Monday, 1 March 2010 10:36 (nine years ago) link

The argument that black people do not really appreciate music with actual merit is totally false, you just have to look at the history of black culture and music to see that.

good to know

the archetypal ghetto hustler (history mayne), Monday, 1 March 2010 10:39 (nine years ago) link

Lol sorry if I sound patronising

RubyNoir, Monday, 1 March 2010 10:45 (nine years ago) link

nah u jus sound dumb

plax (ico), Monday, 1 March 2010 10:50 (nine years ago) link

"dance like there’s no-one watching, sing like there’s no-one listening and fuck like you’re being filmed" Ewwww.

Good to see that people are still writing pieces with the subtext: "In your face, lame-o indie strawman, I am a rock critic who enjoys an enormously popular and widely praised pop star. Please give me a fucking medal."

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 1 March 2010 10:51 (nine years ago) link

Rude

RubyNoir, Monday, 1 March 2010 10:55 (nine years ago) link

If you don't really write your own lyrics (LIKE BEYONCE) or generally have any creative input into your music/style/image/personality (like Rihanna) then clearly you're only going to be about what will make you lots of dollar. It really just comes down to money imo.

Alternatively, it is a take it or leave it from the big A&R guys at the record companies: "Either you perform the manufactured stuff that we have made for you to top the charts with, or just forget about the entire deal".

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 1 March 2010 12:04 (nine years ago) link

Wow. Those John Doran comments: Doctor Dre a pre-gangsta electro star in a homo-erotic health care themed electro dance act)

President Keyes, Monday, 1 March 2010 12:41 (nine years ago) link

How would you describe World Class Wrekcing Kru if you had your tongue in your cheek? Have you heard the music/seen the photos?

Anyway, I'd just like to register my annoyance at The Quietus being called an indie site. Getting wound up by opinion pieces on the internet is your privilege. (For the extremely slow witted: we publish pieces designed to kick up a fuss about four times a year. The last one was on Florence and the Machine. The Guardian does it many, many, many times a day.) I didn't really think that much of the Mof piece, it just made me laugh out loud so I published it. If I were you I'd probably want to exercise my right by not clicking on my site. I'll really be suffering that 0.00001 pence pinch in my wallet until you and Dom Pass "accidentally" find yourself reading my us again.

But. We're not an indie site. We barely cover any compared to what we do (features wise) on leftfield music, post punk, synth pop, dubstep, metal, electronica. In comparison we barely cover it.

That's all.

Doran, Monday, 1 March 2010 12:57 (nine years ago) link

"nah u jus sound dumb"

pots be calling kettle's, man.

Spinspin Sugah, Monday, 1 March 2010 13:22 (nine years ago) link

haha ok "spinspin sugah"

jaded scorer (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 March 2010 13:29 (nine years ago) link

leftfield music, post punk, synth pop, dubstep, metal, electronica

?O_o?, indie, indie, indie, not indie, indie

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 1 March 2010 13:33 (nine years ago) link

My name is Kevin.

Spinspin Sugah, Monday, 1 March 2010 13:33 (nine years ago) link

looooooool xp

jaded scorer (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 March 2010 13:34 (nine years ago) link

doran collabed with someone who wasn't indie or clueless or racist once. the quietus is the archetypal non-indie non-racist non-clueless website.

zvookster, Monday, 1 March 2010 13:45 (nine years ago) link

For the extremely slow witted: we publish pieces designed to kick up a fuss about four times a year.

So I guess we can expect to find you here being defensive 3 more times this year after your hoped for fusses get kicked up.

President Keyes, Monday, 1 March 2010 14:07 (nine years ago) link

lol when will people realize coming to defend your shitty thinkpiece on a message board only makes you look more dum

noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 14:16 (nine years ago) link

Um tbf he is a regular poster here, it would kind of be more incongruous to just pretend not to have seen it

sometimes I feel like throwing my glands up in the air (DJ Mencap), Monday, 1 March 2010 14:18 (nine years ago) link

oh, my bad.

noted schloar (dyao), Monday, 1 March 2010 14:22 (nine years ago) link

The argument that black people do not really appreciate music with actual merit is totally false, you just have to look at the history of black culture and music to see that.

*opens 'history of black culture and music' textbook*

samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 March 2010 16:03 (nine years ago) link

lol I did sound like a arse! but in my defense I was hungover and not really reading the post....not that that is really an excuse urgh.
I liked the argument between the owner of the site and one of the commenters, that was the best part about the article.

RubyNoir, Monday, 1 March 2010 16:54 (nine years ago) link

wow. [nabisco] should have saved his "using black ppl as pawns in games of music nerd one-upsmanship" for this maybe

average dump from average gangsters (deej), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 00:31 (nine years ago) link

ILM users see everyone as pawns in games of music nerd one-upsmanship

T-R-A-P-S-T-R (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 04:56 (nine years ago) link

Even Lady GaGa can be celibate. You don't have to have sex to be loved.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 11:17 (nine years ago) link

four weeks pass...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575151541851806562.html

why does lady gaga get a free pass when it comes to terrorism

iatee, Friday, 2 April 2010 20:20 (nine years ago) link

ha that's already been taken apart hardcore by a couple different ppl

goole, Friday, 2 April 2010 20:29 (nine years ago) link

I just like the title

iatee, Friday, 2 April 2010 20:30 (nine years ago) link

Are settlements more offensive than pop stars?

ans: nope!

goole, Friday, 2 April 2010 20:32 (nine years ago) link

depends on the pop star

Mr. Que, Friday, 2 April 2010 20:33 (nine years ago) link

Lady Gaga > Israeli settlements > Katy Perry

The Reverend, Friday, 2 April 2010 21:04 (nine years ago) link

My 6 year old cousin just overheard my sister playing Lady Gaga and she came asking her "why does she stutter in all her songs? Does she have a problem?" Never really thought about it but:

Just Dance: Just, j-j-just dance
Pokerface: po-po-po-poker face po-po-poker face
Paparazzi: papa-paparazzi
Bad Romance: Rah-rah-ah-ah-ah! Roma-Roma-ma-ah! Ga-ga-ooh-la-la!
Telephone: I am sick and tired of my phone r-ringin.
Future Love: I want a f-f-f-f-future man, I wanna f-fuck you as hard as I can.
Monster: That boy is a monster, m-m-m-monster

Moka, Monday, 5 April 2010 18:15 (nine years ago) link

Found another one:

Dirty Ice Cream: When you call or incessantly t-t-text me

Moka, Monday, 5 April 2010 18:17 (nine years ago) link

Well what do you think, she also stutters on her new single:

Alejandro, Alejandro, Ale-ale-jandro, Ale-ale-jandro.

Moka, Friday, 9 April 2010 00:01 (nine years ago) link

yea this is a definite trick for her. i think she uses it to break up the pace in the melody. i like it.

2 guys 1 gag (surm), Friday, 9 April 2010 00:03 (nine years ago) link

lol @ "does she have a problem"

2 guys 1 gag (surm), Friday, 9 April 2010 00:05 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Jack White 'Got Quite Into Being Lady Gaga' While Writing New Song

Lady Gaga is a lot of things: songstress, trend-setter, lover of little monsters, and, apparently, an inspiration to White Stripes singer Jack White. He said he thought about how she writes music and "got quite into being Lady Gaga" while writing a track for his band The Dead Weather, called "Sea of Cowards."

Jack said: "I was thinking of the type of song a contemporary musician would write, so I started thinking about Lady Gaga. I started thinking of how she would write the music to this song and got quite into being Lady Gaga in an odd way."

Despite Jack's foray into Lady Gaga musical territory, the rocker insists the group's second album builds on the sound established on their debut, Horehound, which was released last year and was recorded quickly in order to capture the band's energy.

is it really that hard to spot all these fake british dudes? (velko), Monday, 10 May 2010 18:46 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

She seems like a fairly decent person (although she did once sue a chef into oblivion for calling herself Lady Aga), but the music is over-produced landfill.

The arc of her album sales is shaped like a soft letter L:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga_discography#Studio_albums

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 11:41 (two months ago) link

WRONG:

I like that song “Shallow.” The sort of thing you can picture a boy and girl doing on Lawrence Welk.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) May 5, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 14:28 (two months ago) link

really missing the point at which it seemed lady gaga's music was imminently going to turn into client

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:10 (two months ago) link

Some grisly posts basically the whole way through this thread

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 22:32 (two months ago) link

she did once sue a chef into oblivion for calling herself Lady Aga

I looked this up — seems like she sent a C&D letter, but there was no lawsuit

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 23:53 (two months ago) link

the cobrasnake era was fucking dark

maura, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 23:56 (two months ago) link


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