The Afghan Whigs "Gentlemen" Poll

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just curious what people's fav jam on this is

Poll Results

OptionVotes
4. "Debonair" – 4:15 10
8. "My Curse" – 5:45 8
2. "Gentlemen" – 3:54 5
6. "Fountain and Fairfax" – 4:21 4
7. "What Jail Is Like" – 3:30 4
3. "Be Sweet" – 3:37 3
5. "When We Two Parted" – 5:47 2
1. "If I Were Going" – 3:05 1
11. "Brother Woodrow/Closing Prayer" – 5:40 1
9. "Now You Know" – 4:10 0
10. "I Keep Coming Back" – 4:52 0


Is because I think a lot of the music you like is flowery? (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Debonair" wins over the title track by a very narrow margin. I still play the hell out of this record.

Tantrum The Cat, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think we've done this? what an album

cutty, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

my band in high school covered debonair, so i'm going with that

cutty, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

we never did a poll, i checked obv

Is because I think a lot of the music you like is flowery? (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

'Be Sweet'

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

i am leaning toward be sweet fwiw. when we two parted also in the running.

Is because I think a lot of the music you like is flowery? (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh don't make me choose!

Swat Valley High (goole), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 16:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

im sure i did a poll on this and debonair won.
voting debonair anyway

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

"If I Were Going" into "Gentlemen" still one of my favorite segues, right up there with Friends into Celebration Day.

•--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

"My Curse"

Simon H., Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

srsly WTF:

...because I really want to believe that it isn't, but I can't stand it. I consider selling it back every time I see it, but there's always something (aside from the cover-- which is really cool) that stops me. I think it might be darnielle and kellman's claims on another thread that it's one of their favorites from the 90s. Is this one of those you-had-to-be-then-and-there albums?
And if I don't like this album, am I not going to like Sebadoh? I've never heard them, but I think "Poledo" is one of the best tracks on YLAOM (and that's saying a lot).

Anyway, if you care, what exactly is so interesting about this album? I haven't really listened to the lyrics that closely, but that's supposedly what this guy's know for, yea?

[and don't tell me to use the search function. unbelievably, this really is the first thread exclusively about the album]

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cutty, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

from Convince me that Afghan Whigs' "Gentlemen" isn't crap...

cutty, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

marcy mays ftw

mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

"My Curse" really is great, it's the highlight of the record. It seems like the band is reaching back for just a little bit extra when they bring this home and, Marcy May's vocals fit the songs perfectly.

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Exactly. "My Curse" all the way.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

'My Curse' was a very close second for me.

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 18:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Be Sweet. But if I could pick a favourite part of a song, it'd be the first third or so of the last track.

StanM, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 18:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

ladies, let me tell you about myself. i've got a dick for a brain. and my brain, is gonna sell my ass to you.

cutty, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 18:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

Naturally, Dulli sells his ass quite well throughout the Whigs' career:

Hey... Welcome home
I got a little wine
Some Marvin Gaye
Come on and taste me
Come on and take me, I'm yours
Dance, little sister, dance
This is my girl you're talkin' to
There isn't anything I wouldn't do
So take me... Taste me... Erase me
I'm yours... Let's get it on

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 18:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

underrated genius

cutty, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 18:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dulli's more recent Twilight Singers are fucking great as well.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 18:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

"What Jail Is Like."

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 18:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

fuck i'd forgotten how much i loved this album

just sayin, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 18:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

moniker OTM

StanM, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 19:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

all the twilight singers records actually

cutty, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 19:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

the gutter twins album with Lanegan was quite brilliant.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 19:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dulli's acoustic solo album sucked though. And I say this as a big fan.

StanM, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 19:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

another for 'what jail is like'

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 20:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Plz to remaster and reissue and include What Jail Is Like B-side My World Is Empty Without You KTHXBYE

StanM, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 20:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dulli's acoustic solo album sucked though. And I say this as a big fan.

Sadly, you are correct. It was leftovers.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 20:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

I <3 Dulli. Have to think about this one a bit. Hmmm.

Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 20:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

There's no way I could rank all of Dulli's work. My fav to this day is likely Blackberry Belle, which soundtracked my life for a good six months when it came out. Lots of good stuff he's released, though!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 20:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 1 June 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

this is one of the best albums from the 90's, voting for "Be Sweet."

Bee OK, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 06:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

a good album, but kinda too pretentious and taking itself too serious.
Fountain and Fairfax for me.

Zeno, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 12:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

I love the Afghan Whigs but as a relative latecomer to Dulli I find the Twilight Singers to be much more dynamic, varied, interesting.

Check out Dulli's recent iTunes-only live rekkid Live at Triple Door for a fucking flooring rendition of King Only.

thirdalternative, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 12:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

When I got rid of my albums to devote myself to songs, Gentlemen was one of the four I couldn't bear to let go. That said, I've never quite been totally convinced of its greatness - it somehow feels just a little bit too unrelenting in its grittiness. Torn between 'My Curse' and 'Brother Woodrow', but it's hard not to vote for the title track

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 12:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

'My Curse' and 'Brother Woodrow' being fairly bleak forms of light relief

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 12:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

Gentlemen was one of the four I couldn't bear to let go.

What were the other three?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

this album is unfuckwithable.

i've loved all of them, debonair was my favorite track for a while but after wearing all of them out now you know is kind of my underrated go-to on this.

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

This was one album I gladly sold back—I'd loved it in middle and high school, and then on relisten just couldn't get over how samey and how forced it all sounded.

THESE ARE MY FEELINGS! FEEL MY FEELINGS! (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's sort of how I feel about it, except that for me that's probably just a minor flaw. Dulli's sincerity always compensates for his forcedness, if that contradiction makes any sense

(the other three were Grace, Marquee Moon and The Holy Bible, by the way)

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

wow, surprised be sweet ended up so low. my vote went to when we two parted but i understand why that's low.

i expected some votes for my curse, but seriously that song wrecks the whole flow for me. i kind of feel like for the album to be 100% true to its vision dulli needs to be the only singer on it. his performance here is hall of fame type stuff to me.

hugging used to mean something (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 00:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

this album's sound and U2 have some things in common

Zeno, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 00:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

"You think I'm scared of girls? Well, maybe. But I'm not afraid of you."

What a brilliant line.

Euler, Monday, 12 October 2009 13:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the flipside of the LP is what I keep coming back for (swidt?):

My Curse -> Now You Know -> I Keep Coming Back -> Brother Woodrow/Closing Prayer

doesn't get better than this, actually replace "I Keep Coming Back" with "When We Too Parted" from Side A and that's like the perfect EP for me.

~~dark energy~~ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 07:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

your kisses scourge me, hyssop in your perfume

~~dark energy~~ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 07:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't think you should be fucking with the track order tbh

mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

dude, this is 2010. track sequences are primitive. ***EVERYONE IS A DJ***

~~dark energy~~ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

Plz to remaster and reissue and include What Jail Is Like B-side My World Is Empty Without You KTHXBYE

― StanM, Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:09 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Your wish was granted. God this album is amazing and fresh 21 years on - the remaster sounds incredible. One-of-a-kind.

Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 04:16 (three years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

steve earle is a god

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 May 2018 22:56 (five months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

last night i dreamt that an evil shapeshifter was using mutant bugs to turn everyone into zombies. a spiderman-type figure (i'm not sure if i *was* him or if the dream-story was just centered on him) was trying to stop him, without success until he realized that clues to reversing the zombification were strewn throughout 'gentlemen' and indeed, the ultimate solution proved to be to kind of hug/squish the zombies together while blasting 'brother woodrow/closing prayer' on a boombox. during this process i think there was a brief glimpse of dulli in the shadows nodding approvingly

nb i don't watch zombie shows or superhero movies. i *have* listened to the whigs a lot, but not particularly recently

mookieproof, Friday, 8 June 2018 18:09 (five months ago) Permalink

I read the Vice "rank your records" piece with Dulli and I'm glad he agrees with me that the album kinda tapers off at the end.

Simon H., Saturday, 9 June 2018 00:25 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Listening to the demos on the deluxe edition for the first time and holy hell these these are maybe the most polished I've ever heard? "Be Sweet" in particular might be better than the album version.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 18:51 (three months ago) Permalink


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