Keiji Haino Solo Album Poll -- I Said, This Is The Son Of Pollhilism

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I just got my hands on "Saying I love you, I continue to curse myself" and it's friggin' fantastic. So I thought a poll was in order, not least to trigger some discussion of Haino's work. I've included all of his solo albums, both studio and live since he seems to make little difference between the two formats. (I left out 2 boxset items and the 'live' cassette, as it was not entirely official). I've tried to stick to the most commonly known title.

I need to think about my choice, but (the rather obvious, admittedly) 'Watashi Dake?' is a possible frontrunner.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Affection --1992 5
Watashi Dake --1981 4
Tenshi No Gijinka --1995 3
Nijiumu --1990 2
Execration that accept to acknowledge --1993 2
Black Blues (violent version) --2004 1
I said, This is the son of nihilism --1995 1
Abandon all words at a stroke, so that prayer can come spilling out --2001 1
C'est parfait" endoctriné tu tombes la tête la première --2003 1
First let's remove the color!! --2002 1
So, black is myself --1997 1
Next Let's Try Changing the Shape --2004 0
Black Blues (soft version) --2004 0
Entwined Around the Universe, My Pain (Uchu Ni Karami Tsuite Iru Waga Itami) --2005 0
Global Ancient Atmosphere --2005 0
Reveal'd to none as yet - an expedience to utterly vanish consciousness while still alive --2005 0
Yaranai ga dekinai ni natte yuku (Won't becomes Can't) --2006 0
Ama No Gawa/Milky Way --1973 0
Light darkness, suddenly melted together, this vibration (Hikari yami uchitokeaishi kono hibiki) --2003 0
The 21st Century Hard-y Guide-y Man - Even Now, Still I Think --1998 0
Keeping on breathing --1997 0
Saying I love you, I continue to curse myself --1996 0
The Book of "Eternity Set Aflame" --1996 0
Twenty-first Century Hard-y Guide-y Man --1995 0
A Challenge to Fate --1995 0
Beginning and end, interwoven --1994 0
Twenty-first Century Hard-y Guide-y Man: Koitsukara usetaitameno hakarigoto --2008 0


Duke, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

I'd say the following are essential listening for guitar-based Haino:
Watashi Dake --1981
Affection --1992
Beginning and end, interwoven --1994
A Challenge to Fate --1995
Keeping on breathing --1997
First let's remove the color!! --2002
Black Blues (soft version) --2004
Black Blues (violent version) --2004
Yaranai ga dekinai ni natte yuku (Won't becomes Can't) --2006

I love the two of his hurdy-gurdy ( Hard-y Guide-y Man) albums that I have, but haven't found his electronics explorations quite as interesting (for example So black is myself). The only side of Haino I don't know very well is the percussion stuff. A lot of people rate Tenshi No Gijinka, but I've yet to hear it.

Duke, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

If the box was a choice, I'd definitely vote for that...for me, it's a toss-up between Black Blues (electric) and Nijumu: Era Of Sad Wings. Aw hell, I'll go with Nijumu. It never gets enough love.

Matt Weston, Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:19 (eleven years ago) link

Affection! Although if it was Haino in general I'm quite partial to that Lost Aaraaff reissue that came out a while back.

Matt #2, Friday, 15 May 2009 00:11 (eleven years ago) link

I feel a strong emotional attachment to Execration that accept to acknowledge, because it was the first thing I ever heard by him and it sounds a lot like a solo set I saw him do at CBGB in 1989 or 1990. But I also really like Abandon all words at a stroke, so that prayer can come spilling out. I just recently got the two Black Blues discs and haven't really absorbed them yet.

unperson, Friday, 15 May 2009 00:27 (eleven years ago) link

WATASHI DAKE

GÖTT DAT SCHING (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 15 May 2009 04:31 (eleven years ago) link

If the box was a choice, I'd definitely vote for that...for me, it's a toss-up between Black Blues (electric) and Nijumu: Era Of Sad Wings. Aw hell, I'll go with Nijumu. It never gets enough love.
― Matt Weston, Friday, 15 May 2009 01:19 (Yesterday) Bookmark

You're mixing up the solo album Nijiumu with Haino's band Nijiumu, which released an album called Era Of Sad Wings. It's an easy mistake to make -- the guy is all over the place.

And, if you are referring to the Soul's True Love box, I didn't include it because only 2 of the 4 discs are Haino solo. I thought I'd restrict this to stand-alone solo releases.

Duke, Saturday, 16 May 2009 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

Shit, totally missed that this was happening. Not been around here much lately. Now I have to make a spur of the moment choice.

krakow, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:27 (eleven years ago) link

P.S. - we should definitely do Fushitsusha next...

krakow, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:28 (eleven years ago) link

P.P.S. Sruthi Box and Koko should be on here, both are awesome beyond their highly limited means...

krakow, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

Affection.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:38 (eleven years ago) link

I feel bad for voting without listening to them all through again, but time does not allow such an awesome endeavour.

"Abandon All Words..."

I'm sure to regret it later.

krakow, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:44 (eleven years ago) link

I voted for Execration That Accept To Acknowledge.

unperson, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:47 (eleven years ago) link

Not that I've heard anywhere near them all but Affection really ups that special brand of gothic Romanticism with enough meaty chunks of no wave guitar.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:52 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

There we go. I guess a wee PSF order is needed, as Affection is one of the few that I don't have yet (having held off ordering the relatively easy to get ones unless they happened to come my way in preference of hunting out the harder to find ones when money allowed). Time for gaps to be filled.

krakow, Thursday, 21 May 2009 07:42 (eleven years ago) link

Fair result. I would have put Watashi Dake? above Affection myself, but the latter is a good one. Recorded live on New Year's eve 1991, IIRC.

It's worth getting for the cover alone, of course:

http://poisonpie.com/sounds/haino/images/psf_23.jpg

Duke, Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:21 (eleven years ago) link

Correction: recorded 30th December 1991.

Duke, Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:22 (eleven years ago) link

I think we should definitely do a Fushitsusha one (maybe in a week or so to give some extra thinking time), so get your listening and decision making on the go Haino fans...

I'll happily start it unless Duke wants to, of course.

krakow, Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:26 (eleven years ago) link

Haino has some wonderful album covers and photographs. The dark, almost all black, mysterious aesthetic just adds to (and/or is part of) the draw. Affection has a beautiful photo there.

krakow, Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:31 (eleven years ago) link

Surprised by the turn out here. I've seen Haino live a number of times, and he's just phenomenal performer, but I've found the recordings a disappointment. I'll have to give them another chance, working from this.

Soukesian, Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:19 (eleven years ago) link

Quite a few of his solo albums are live performances, such as Affection, and are presented as such (ie one single "track" on CD, which can be annoying, but that's a different discussion).

If you're interested in a recording that does a good job of reflecting the power of his live performances, I would suggest "A Challenge To Fate". It consists of various pieces from different gigs, and covers the range of his styles, from guitar madness to vocal craziness to plaintive songs. It might not be easily available, but if you want, I can organise a copy for you.

Duke, Thursday, 21 May 2009 22:32 (eleven years ago) link

i have this too http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=22509

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

The Haino collaborative discography is a whole different kettle of fish in terms of mind-melting size...

That archive one with Sitaar Tahl that pfunk mentions is great though. As are the two relatively recent collaborations with Tatsuya Yoshida. All more than worth tracking down. 'Hauenfiomiume' and 'Uhrfasudhasdd' ended up being one of my top picks of last year. Quite different for Haino (cut ups, crazy proggyness), but wonderful.

krakow, Friday, 22 May 2009 07:23 (eleven years ago) link

uh... isn't it Sitaar Tah! or have i been wrong about this for years now.

YAWNN 0))) (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 22 May 2009 07:56 (eleven years ago) link

Yes, it is. I just c+p'd from boomkat.

krakow, Friday, 22 May 2009 18:01 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

Just ordered the following from PSF, thanks to some US $'s earned to my paypal account:

PSFD-7
Keiji Haino / Nijiumu $18

PSFD-23
Keiji Haino / Affection $18

PSFD-38
Keiji Haino / Watashi-Dake? $18

PSFD-8014
Keiji Haino / To start with, let's remove the colour! $18

PSFD-8020
Keiji Haino / Uchu ni Karamitsuiteru Waga Itami $18

PSFD-8021
Keiji Haino / Konokehai fujirareteru hajimarini $18

Can't wait for this bunch to arrive. I'd always held off on the PSF ones, as they're relatively straight forward to get hold of compared to some of the others.

krakow, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 08:36 (eleven years ago) link

hey the best two won!

ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 10:16 (eleven years ago) link

nine months pass...

I'm sorta partial to 'I Said This Is the Son of Nihilism,' 'Affection,' and 'Saying I Love You I Continue to Curse Myself.' But they're all worth a listen at least. Haino never ceases to amaze me with the ability to project his essence through any instrument or device he touches. Hurdy-gurdy, theremin, percussion, what-have-you. He come through.

ImprovSpirit, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 21:23 (ten years ago) link

nicely said, IS. only time ive seen keiji live (in a duo w/ tony conrad) the most fearsome instr he played was the theremin, so loud it made the soles of my feet vibrate, seriously! those hurdy-gurdy albs on PSF, especially the first one, are fuckin' central pieces of the totality of the expression - nobody seems to get DEEPER into a zone (of silence/stillness/loudness/intensity) than haino

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 21:58 (ten years ago) link

Thanks WF. I've never had the pleasure of seeing him live, but I keep hoping.

I agree with you about the hurdy-gurdy things and the one on sruthi (struti? tuti-fruiti?) box is also an amazing drone piece with plenty of interesting dynamic decorations. I think it was called 'Koko.' The main one I continue to have trouble with is the disc he did with classical guitar. Somehow it doesn't grab me like some of the others. Not bad mind you, but prolly the last Haino I'd pick to listen to at any given time.

ImprovSpirit, Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:12 (ten years ago) link

those hurdy-gurdy albs on PSF, especially the first one, are fuckin' central pieces of the totality of the expression

^^^^^^^^

The hurdy-gurdy albums are incredible.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 27 May 2010 16:17 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

Keiji Haino is reported to have formed an R&B covers group, who performed at his annual end of year show in Tokyo. The five piece group, Hardy Soul, with Haino on vocals and guitar, performed a set including covers of "When A Man Loves A Woman", "Lucille", "Land Of 1000 Dances", "In The Midnight Hour" and more.

http://thewire.co.uk/news/28326/keiji-haino-forms-rnb-group_performs-little-richard_wilson-pickett-covers

tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:03 (seven years ago) link

Hah this almost trumps the Jandek interview news. What a nutty day of weirdo music news.

grandavis, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:15 (seven years ago) link

There's a YouTube clip of the "R&B" group. It bears the same resemblance to R&B that Aihiyo (his last cover band) bore to rock 'n' roll. It kinda sounds like Les Rallizes, actually.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:31 (seven years ago) link

Cool, will try to go check it out. Still bizarre news. "Hardy Soul"!

grandavis, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:39 (seven years ago) link

IIRC Haino talked abt his love for Wilson Pickett in an old Wire Invisible Jukebox

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 19:48 (seven years ago) link

definitely liking that youtube clip. anyone know what it's a cover of?

original bgm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 19:53 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...
one month passes...

http://i4.minus.com/ifuF7Ov9yF8yt.jpg

feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 19 June 2015 10:13 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

he's doing a dj set on nts today:

https://www.nts.live/shows/guests/episodes/keiji-haino-21st-may-2019

Br. Des Shadows (NickB), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 11:11 (one year ago) link

Thanks for the perfectly timed tip! Listening now and it's a very promising start.

brain (krakow), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 12:07 (one year ago) link

That was excellent. Do NTS release playlists for these?

brain (krakow), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 13:32 (one year ago) link

if the dj gives them the playlist, they normally add it to the webpage when the show gets uploaded (usually 1-2 days after initial broadcast)

Br. Des Shadows (NickB), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 13:51 (one year ago) link

Fingers crossed then. Thanks.

brain (krakow), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:05 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

The Meaning of Blackness is a typically awkward English title, but it’s a fine, varied solo live album and honestly one of the best Haino-related releases I’ve heard in more than a decade (I’m not as much of a connoisseur as others itt, however). Oh, and it comes with a new version of ‘Koko’.

pomenitul, Monday, 30 November 2020 15:23 (five months ago) link

The Meaning of Blackness is a typically awkward English title

Give the man a break, he managed to not make it a novella-length title this time! ;)

You weren't wrong btw! This is one of the best of his 00s output (though I've not heard all of them, admittedly), been really enjoying this one lately.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 13:54 (five months ago) link

The version of "Koko" is on YouTube and it's amazing. I might need to buy this record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QloLYsK5v9A

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:31 (five months ago) link

Otm, it's amazing.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:49 (five months ago) link

Give the man a break, he managed to not make it a novella-length title this time! ;)

I don't know if it's the full title or a two-line poem but for the album's Bandcamp page he couldn't resist the call of elongation:

The Meaning of Blackness More Decorous than Duty
Having become faster than everything A smile that was never birthed into the light

pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:54 (five months ago) link

Congratulations, I played myself lol

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 14:57 (five months ago) link

Hearing Haino in English (about 6 minutes into the first track) was genuinely shocking.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:59 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

Haino is 69 today. Feel like now's the time to talk about all three times I saw him perform.

The first was two days before Christmas 1991 at CBGB. Haino played a solo guitar set on a bill that also included OLD and UFO Or Die. John Zorn put it together, and at the end of Haino's set he came out and they performed a duo that was skull-crackingly loud. His guitar sounded like a thunderstorm, and all Zorn could do to pierce the wall was screech at the very top of the alto's range.

A couple of years later, maybe 1995, I went to the Knitting Factory and saw him do a solo percussion show. He started out doing soft, ritualistic stuff with tiny gongs, like some kind of monk or something, but by the end he was screaming and leaping into the wall with a tambourine in each hand and pieces of tambourine were flying across the room.

In 2000 I went to Tonic to see what was billed as a solo set, using electronics and hurdy-gurdy, to be followed by a Fushitsusha performance. It turned into a seamless three-hour experience that was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen/heard. There was theremin. There was hurdy-gurdy. There were half-hour slabs of unbelievably loud doomprov. He even played a song I recognized from one of the first two Fushitsusha live albums!

I love Haino. Long may he roar.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:27 (one week ago) link


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