Jonathan Fire*Eater (and Stewart Lupton)

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Why isn't JF*E getting due credit for reviving (possibly single-handedly) the NYC scene? Are the Velvet Underground comparisons accurate? Is Lupton the last true rock frontman? Is Lupton's book going to get published? Et cetera, et cetera?

litcofsky, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 06:18 (twelve years ago) link

1. They didn't.
2. Not a bit.
3. No.
4. What makes anyone think it would be any good?
5. Way to finish your thought.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 06:24 (twelve years ago) link

I can listen to "The Search for Cherry Red" all day long.

Unknown Artist (G00blar), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 06:26 (twelve years ago) link

Why isn't JF*E getting due credit for reviving (possibly single-handedly) the NYC scene?

Because they didn't. A fine little band, yes, but not the new messiah.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

weren't they from dc?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

i dl'd wolf songs for lambs a couple of months ago. i listened to it a lot in college but must have sold it at some point. there are some good jams on there.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 11:59 (twelve years ago) link

"These Little Monkeys" still sounds great.

Yeah, they were from D.C. originally. They split, and then some of them went and formed The Walkmen, who I originally hated (thanks to overwrought vocalist Hamilton Leithauser III), but I must confess to liking their most recent stuff.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:00 (twelve years ago) link

are the child ballads still together? i liked their live show and their subsequent EP.

MRSA Marchant (get bent), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:05 (twelve years ago) link

Just put on "When Prince Was a Kid," and it all came back. I saw them in New Orleans in '95 in some high school basement with Slant 6. Great frenetic live band, and it's probably true they brought their mod-ish version of Nation of Ulysses fashion and energy from D.C. to New York and spread it around, because within a couple years a LOT of New York bands had similar haircuts and style--I'm thinking of some group I saw outside the regular schedule of CMJ in (I think) '98 called the Barry White Boys, though I heard their name at first as the Very White Boys. Jonathan Fire*Eater and George Clooney on ER were a demarcation point for hair.

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 12:46 (twelve years ago) link

i stumbled across a few of their neglected mp3s in my itunes about three years ago which prompted me to dl pretty much everything i could find. i really dig these dudes. they really had something going on there for a minute.

I, too, was little put off by the Walkmen vocalist, especially since I liked Lupton's stylings. I've come around to the first 2 WM records tho.

nashville - spiritual home of the cougar (will), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

child ballads just played in nyc the other day.
JF*E's "station coffee" is the best rolling stones song ever.

mizzell, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

i saw them in Boston in 97 and they were truly a tremendous live act. much garagier and aggresive than the Walkmen and Lupton was (haven't seen hime lately) much more of a presence than Leithauser.

mizzell, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

Saw JF*E open for Luscious Jackson at the Roxy in late `96. I remember wishing there was more rock action on display.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 14:15 (twelve years ago) link

haaa the media loved this band and no one else gave a shit

p?nico (ice cr?m), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 14:17 (twelve years ago) link

wait are they back together or something?

oh, whineypause (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

some posters don't need a reason

Unknown Artist (G00blar), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

What good are reasons?

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

these guys were sooooo much better than the walkmen

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

I saw Lupton play a very, very strange solo show (though it was billed as Childballads) this past Christmas in D.C. He played a handful of new songs (half reading the lyrics off papers on the stage, seemingly improv-ing some stuff). One song seemed to be Lou Reed's "Street Hassle" with different words. He closed by reading a long poem. I think the guy's incredibly talented, and has come up with some of my favorite lyrics ever. He's given a couple of slightly depressing interviews in recent years where he talks a lot of trash about the Walkmen, and his years struggling with drugs.
I once saw his pre-Jonathan Fire Eater band, The Ignobles, when I was in high school in suburban D.C.; they were very awesome.

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

The first two Walkmen records > Wolf Songs for Lambs >>>>> the other Walkmen records.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Tremble Under Boom Lights EP still holds up, and this band were, as Croupier says, way better than the Walkmen, who are a slightly less boring version of the National IMO.

Neil S, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 13:28 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

(Dug this out last week because this was what Turn On The Bright Lights really seemed to aspire to want to be, but listening to The Make-Up after my white belt bag discovery this afternoon make me dig it out again, again.)

They really were one of those bands whose *entire* output just diminished from start to finish.

Tremble Under Boom Lights > Wolf Songs For Lambs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything The Walkmen ever did.

I was gonna say they were the Original Suit Band, but they really weren't. They appeared out of nowhere and kind of inserted themselves at the top of the Suit Band Scene.

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:53 (seven years ago) link

http://stewartlupton.tumblr.com/

"no one understands you like Mom"

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:19 (seven years ago) link

I'm... scared of Stuart Lupton. I keep meaning to check out his solo stuff, but he frightens me a little.

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:23 (seven years ago) link

I think he frightens himself at this point

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:33 (seven years ago) link

(Oh my god, he is - *impossibly* - still hott.)

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:41 (seven years ago) link

This is quite old now, but looks like he's still a nut:

http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.uk/features/interview-stewart-lupton.html

(A completely loveable and frightening nut, but. Wow. It would help it I could spell his name, TBH)

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:51 (seven years ago) link

1st walkmen album was the last great Rock album

brimstead, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:57 (seven years ago) link

Pfffffffftttt don't even talk to me about The Walkmen. The Walkmen weren't even as good as French Kicks and if you're not as good as a rip-off of your own band there's no hope for ya.

Upthread correct about what an amazing live band JF*E were, I mean, they were actually *dangerous*. You didn't want to stand to close to the stage because Stuart might fall on you at any moment.

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:02 (seven years ago) link

Ha - I was young and thin in 96 when I saw these guys in Leeds. Me and my new uni mate got a mad crush on them and raided our Dad's closets for pressed white shirts. They were awesome.

kraudive, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:22 (seven years ago) link

This was when all I could hear around my friends was bloody Oasis. WE held strong with JFE and The Whipping Boy I seem to remember. Yikes.

kraudive, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:24 (seven years ago) link

I've been racking my brains trying to remember when I first saw them. My memories of the mid-90s are *not* very reliable. I have a fuzzy memory of a band I played with playing with them at like... Coney Island High? It was too late to have been The Mind's Eye but it might have been Garage Rage or something like that? In this cute little scene of all these cute little mod boys in suits doing retro stuff, and Jonathan Fire*eater came on and ate everyone for breakfast.

Then the next thing you know, they're touring with, like... Blur or someone. The just blew up so fast it was astonishing. And then blew it so fast, too.

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:32 (seven years ago) link

It's funny how they were so completely retro, and yet they were like 5 years ahead of their time.

Suit bands.

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:35 (seven years ago) link

I am feeling about a million years old right now, trying to work out which venue it was, and googling all of these bars and clubs that are now closed, vanished, torn down to put up luxury apartments. This is so depressing.

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:54 (seven years ago) link

Well I know I saw them in The Duchess Of York in Leeds which became a Versace shop or some such nonsense soon after. This was 96 or 97. They headlined but we only knew of them cos of the Melody Maker - we weren't that cool. I'm thinking Ligament (!?) supported but I can't be sure of that.

The Duchess was a great place. My first introduction to it was as an innocent walking past and being grab handled by a hairy man who insisted he kicked boys away from the front of Huggy Bear gigs. I must have been impressionable but I was impressed. It was nonsense of course.

kraudive, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 00:09 (seven years ago) link

(Now getting v v nostalgic for which bartenders at which NYC bars and clubs used to cut me off when I started "talking English", it's hard to believe this was all 20 years ago now. LOL we olds)

~Autotelic Fabulousity~ (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 00:24 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

RIP Stewart Lupton. he made quite an impression on me when I saw JFE play as a college freshman, a very engaging frontman. i still play and enjoy wolf songs for lambs, and a couple tracks form other acts. this is probably his post JFE peak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhjBlIj9bCw

mizzell, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 12:35 (three years ago) link

RIP, dude could holler

brimstead, Tuesday, 29 May 2018 15:16 (three years ago) link

"a night in the nursery" rules so hard

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 29 May 2018 16:22 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

i still love the shit out of both those records. so much fun.

caddy lac brougham? (will), Friday, 10 September 2021 20:56 (one week ago) link

they kicked ass

brimstead, Friday, 10 September 2021 21:39 (one week ago) link

who engineered those records? absolute masterclass in implementing retro flare, and it not feeling like a novelty or overly precious

caddy lac brougham? (will), Friday, 10 September 2021 22:24 (one week ago) link

With the greatest acceptance it's nostalgia I think I remember them sounding the same live

kraudive, Friday, 10 September 2021 23:02 (one week ago) link


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