Taking Sides: Nick Cave vs. Michael Jackson

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Because it's certainly no more ludicrous a comparison than Morrissey vs. Prince

Poll Results

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Michael Jackson 69
Nick Cave 47


Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 13:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

michael

goole, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 13:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Nick Cave wins by fucking light years, of course.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 13:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

jackson

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

I have massive love for MJ & I'm sure he'll win this poll here but Nick Cave's a better lyricist and songwriter any day, and also sets a sterling example for others by not having sex with children.

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

yes cave does have one up on michael in that regard i suppose

goole, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

but, i want you back!! come on!

goole, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

He did have a 20-year heroin habit though!

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

"I Want You Back" is like srsly top-5-all-time for me! Still, an honest vote is for Nick Cave, MJ basically trades on 4 great albums worth of material followed by one of the most precipitous drop-offs in the entire history of music. Nick Cave wakes up in the morning with the thought that his best work lies ahead of him. Michael Jackson got rich & shifted his creative interests toward how best to silence the parents of his victims.

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

turning into a discussion of personal faults again

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Nick Cave wakes up in the morning with the thought that his best work lies ahead of him.

He may wake up thinking that, but I'm not sure it's true! For me he peaked around Your Funeral My Trial, which was a long, long time ago. Obviously he'd done good things since then, but still...

(That said, my Michael Jackson cut-off point is probably Off The Wall, even longer ago.)

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

I really like some of the NC's/bad seeds' stuff I know but MJ is involved in several of the best ever music you can play at a party (and not even mentioning how much I loved him as a kid) ! That said, right after "thriller", there's not much left for me (maybe a bit of "bad").

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

Nick Cave also a much, much better live show, even once you factor in MJ's dancing

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Remember the Time" is a jam.

and captain (kingkongvsgodzilla), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Birthday Party over MJ any day

A Very Powerful Whale Runs To Heaven (latebloomer), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jackson 5 vs. the Birthday Party would be another good poll.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

A Jackson/Cave duet would be pretty great. Maybe if Nick ever does Murder Ballads II

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

Christ, not even close.

They did both peak in the early '80s, though. But Cave got a lot more ridiculous a lot sooner after that (which is saying something, obviously.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting. (Michael sings better, too. Don't think I've ever seen Nick dance; not sure I want to.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

And oh yeah, Michael rocks harder. So him.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

And if that's not good enough:

Last Nick Cave album to make my Pazz & Jop ballot: Kicking Against The Pricks, 1986.

Last Michael Jackson album to make my Pazz & Jop ballot: Blood On The Saddle: History In The Mix, 1997.

The titles both rhyme. But MJ stayed great longer. And I overrated that NC album in the first place.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

A less lopsided battle, maybe:

Scratch Acid vs. Musical Youth

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

nate dogg

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

what would be more enjoyable? Cave covering 'Jam' or Jackson covering 'No Pussy Blues'?

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

cave has eaten jam, at least

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

xp Actually, obviously, on his 1997 album, Michael left a pool of blood on the old dancefloor, not the saddle, as I implied above. (And I will give Nick credit for more strongly inspiring psychobilly cowpunk bands, for whatever that's worth.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Nick Cave also a much, much better live show, even once you factor in MJ's dancing

I have never seen or waych NC live but considering that, at his peak, MJ was among the best performers ever (his singing/dancing from the J5 to "thriller" is just mindblowing), I have some difficulty with this statement !

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

as different as two live acts can be, surely? MJ the king of the stadium in the late 80's/early 90's.

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

Nick Cave wakes up in the morning with the thought that his best work lies ahead of him.

The hair dye must have seeped into his brain and made him delusional then. Hard to think of a more boring artist than Nick Cave these days.

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

Michael sings better

I sing better than Nick Cave!

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

a collabo is making more and more sense to me- Nick Cave sings "Ben" backed with MJ covering "The Carny"

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think MJ can't sing/dance anymore, that said.
but I guess the point of the TS is to compare them at their best.

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting. (Michael sings better, too. Don't think I've ever seen Nick dance; not sure I want to.)

OTM. I don't understand Cave, like, at all.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

a collab produced but will i am. just writing this makes me sick...

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

sounds more like a timbaland joint

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Xpost: I don't understand MJ at all. Seriously. And I've had to put up with his music since the mid-70s.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

Please accept my sympathy

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

there's not a single track by MJ/J5 that you like at all ?

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting. (Michael sings better, too. Don't think I've ever seen Nick dance; not sure I want to.)

OTM. I don't understand Cave, like, at all.

― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm not going to pick nick cave or michael jackson cause fuck that, but are you dudes seriously making this same fucking stale argument that was retarded when it was first made 3,000 years ago? like are you going to pick ted bundy over robert deniro because he lived the creepy pathologies that deniro acted out in taxi driver?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting.

not real sure this is a virtue. do you like actual murderers better than people who write convincingly about them?

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

basically you're saying nick cave is worse because he didn't actually rape children

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

would vote for literally anyone over nick cave

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

HITLER vs nick cave

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

This is really tough! Like way tougher for me than Morrissey v Prince.

fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

LOL n/a said it first & better, xpost

Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

I am assuming Birthday Party is not in (or Jackson 5).

fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Michael Jackson sale at JC Penney's! Boys' pants ... half off!

Seriously though, this thread might be better served as a repository of Michael Jackson paedo jokes.

photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

HITLER vs nick cave

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude it's generation vice donchaknow.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

xpost: nope, MJ/J5 is/are a complete mystery to me. Just not my thing, and it's not for the want of exposure. Haven't been able to get beyond mild irritation. I'm well aware that I'm in the minority, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.

But then, isn't the point of the thread that this is a completely absurd comparison to make?

Soukesian, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm not going to pick nick cave or michael jackson cause fuck that, but are you dudes seriously making this same fucking stale argument that was retarded when it was first made 3,000 years ago? like are you going to pick ted bundy over robert deniro because he lived the creepy pathologies that deniro acted out in taxi driver?

The difference is that Ted Bundy hasn't written any good songs.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

this is a stupid poll but nick cave defenders are really scraping the bottom of the barrell with their arguments here. were like ten posts away from 'nick cave is better cuz he uses real instruments man'

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Sunday, 19 April 2009 21:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

Well, he does.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Again, this thread was merely meant to lampoon another thread (specifically the Morrissey vs. Prince thread). Much like that comparison, there really aren't any common threads between MJ and...er... NC. It's not meant to be taken so dead seriously. Nick Cave and Michael Jackson are very different artists who make very different music from each other, generally tailored to very different demographics. It's a pointless comparison.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

... but Nick is still better.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

... and never molested anyone.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

... that we know of, at least.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

lol i spelled barrel wrong

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's the least of this thread's problems.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

Of the Michael Jackson proponents, how many like the majority of his musical output, and how many like a few songs or albums including the band he was in as a kid and dislike Nick Cave? It seems like there are folks saying MJ is great, and others saying MJ had some good songs, which is more than Nick Cave had.

photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

xp Max: Would it be scraping further down to say "I vote for Nick Cave because he is better looking"?

photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

at this point i think anything goes

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

I do wonder what a Michael Jackson-Mick Harvey collab would sound like.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

It'd certainly sound different.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 22:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

"including the band he was in as a kid"

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 April 2009 23:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

nick cave >>> michael jackson

BUT

jackson 5 >> boys next door

ian, Sunday, 19 April 2009 23:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

LOL one thing I do like about this thread is the concept of "Gothic corn" which I don't think I will stop chuckling about for awhile, here.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 20 April 2009 00:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.moplants.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/indian%20corn.JPG

spot the goth!

ian, Monday, 20 April 2009 00:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thriller & The Birthday Party cancel each other out with true greatness.

Jackson 5 definitely deserve some major props... far more than Boys Next Door (who I like plenty).

Latter ear Jackson and Cave do little for me, but there's no doubt that Cave has maintained sanity and relevancy over time.

But when you really get down to it, only one of these two can sing.

I can't even vote on this.

Nate Carson, Monday, 20 April 2009 04:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

And by "latter ear" I of course meant "latter era". As far as I know, MJ's ears are the only original part of him remaining.

Nate Carson, Monday, 20 April 2009 04:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

You were probably thinking about an ear of corn. In fact, according to this website, the term "comes from the Gothic word for 'husk of corn' which was ahs".

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 20 April 2009 04:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

xp ian: the goth corn is the one on the far right, right next to the reggae corn.

photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Monday, 20 April 2009 07:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

This poll is closing tomorrow.

Oy. Thank God!

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 23:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yawn.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 23:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thank goodness.

The-Reverend (rev), Thursday, 30 April 2009 00:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Pathetic.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 30 April 2009 00:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

according to the lovers of polls, this settles the question

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 01:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

The question being: Are ILM poll-takers tasteless morons? The answer: Most certainly.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

We tasteless morons also like to dance.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

(I'm particularly impatient with Nick Cave after watching his performance in the Leonard Cohen "I'm Your Man" thing: he needed a wet mop in his face)

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

the fact that this wasn't 5 to 1 sorta disappoints me.

iatee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

I imagine if mj didn't have 'character issues' people realllly wouldn't have any excuse

iatee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i kinda want to do a jackson vs killing joke now, just to see AINYC's reaction to the results.

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

you have teh big balls if you do.

Mark G, Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm not gonna lie to you, i have trouble sitting

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hooray!

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

how different would this exercise be if Quincy Jones had produced Nick Cave?

peepee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 12:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

And Blixa Bargeld had played guitar for Jacko?

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 12:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Considering the artist's respective sales, I reckon the Goth vote held up pretty well.

Preferred Cave well before MJ's 'character issues' started to show, don't need an excuse. Up for Cave's Quincy Jackson album though. Blixa/MJ, not so much.

Soukesian, Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

They played this one at the goth club some weeks back and I was like "man, these people know how to choose a particularly stellar all-time-best Nick Cave song". You folks who like Tom Waits, I want you to look me in the eye and tell me why you don't like this.

Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 03:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

So when is there going to be a Crime and The City Solution vs. Nick Cave poll?

xhuxk, Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

Aww...actually I don't know if I even owned a Crime & The City Solution record. I did own one of those ex-Bad Seeds records, but I don't think it was them.

Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

Is Alex in NYC 14?

SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't like Crime and the City Solution as much as Bad Seeds, but These Immortal Souls are on-par.

bendy, Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Is Alex in NYC 14?

Reverse the digits.

Michael Jackson sucks and, therefore, you suck for liking him.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 3 May 2009 13:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

nine years pass...

I wasn't wrong.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 10 January 2019 22:11 (one week ago) Permalink

what would be more enjoyable? Cave covering 'Jam' or Jackson covering 'No Pussy Blues'?

― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:12 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cave has eaten jam, at least

― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:13 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2019 02:51 (one week ago) Permalink

you would just like to point out that you have been otm in this thread

sans lep (sic), Friday, 11 January 2019 07:46 (one week ago) Permalink


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