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I'd like to get the estimable ILM crew to suggest the best bands/albums from the Krautrock scene, and why. Equally, which are the ones to avoid! I'm pretty much a novice in this area with only 4 Kraftwerk albums and a little bit of Can (Future Days, 2CD-Anthology and a freebie compilation disk which came with the Mute re-issues) to my name. Yeah the most obvious ones ;)

There seem to be lots of new re-issues from the likes of Faust and Neu around now - are any of them any good? Likewise Amon Duul, Popol Vuh. Try and say why anything you recommend is good.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Neu 75' is excellent. Its worth checking out. Anything by Amon Duul II is worth checking out too. 'Dance of the lemmings' especially. I like Tangerine Dream's 'Phaedra' if you could count that as Krautrock.Does anyone know if Popol Vuh's Werner Herzog soundtracks are available on CD?

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

A good thing to track down is Juian Cope's "Krautrocksampler" book - hugely entertaining and often right. Of the bands you mentioned I'm a particular fan of Popol Vuh's In Den Garten Pharaos and Amon Duul I's Paradieswaerts Duul - Amon Duul I gets an incredibly bad press but everything I've heard by them has been marvellous.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

So I'll second 'Neu 75'. I'm still looking for the first album, can't find it anywhere :( With Can I'm a 'Future Days', 'Soon over Babaluma' man myself [the double live-cd is quite good, though not very subtle collection of monster-jams]. I'll add that Bordedoms' 'Vision Creation Newsum' is the best Krautrock album not made by Germans (okay, so it's the best Krautrock album ever :). I always want to check out Faust but never get around actually buying one of their records. La Dusseldorf is supposed to be good too, right?

Omar, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does anyone know of an Amon Duul record called 'Experimente'? I picked it up on tape for 50 pence. There's no song titles on it or what year it was made. It's just these freefrom jams and totally incompetent playing. It's probably the most shambolic thing I've ever heard although I dont listen to it much.

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ant, the guy who sits across from me at work, has the first Neu album and occasionally lets me listen to it. It's a damn fine record, and the extent to which Stereolab ripped it off is quite shocking. I've had similar trouble getting hold of a copy for myself and Ant's had it so long he can't remember where he got it from. However, it is due for a re-release in the UK in the next few weeks, so it should soon get a lot easier to find in the Netherlands on import.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link favourites are Amon Duul2 "Yeti" (this is an AWESOME album!) "Wolf City" which combine hawkwindish fuzz freak out with some *weird* kind of german spiritual outlook. And the following popol vuh albums: das hoheleid salomos letze tage, letze nacht tantric songs (try to get CD version on "celestial harmonies" label) Actually, anything featuring florian fricke and danny fishescher is pretty much essential. Popol Vuh CDs are available on mantra, a krautrock re-release label. They are generally extremely sprirtual, and will get U in a deep contemplative mood, just like that. Danny F is probably the best, and most little known guitarist there's ever been. His leads on "das hoheleid salomos" are just *from somewhere else*. The fact he also played drums is just amazing... The cosmic jokers discs the julian cope raves about in his book are good, but IMO not quite as good as he says they are. "cosmic jokers" and galactic supermarket" are worth a try anyway. the three neu! albums are good, but *slightly* overrated IMO, as is now fairly well known, on the second album they ran over budget and had to record their "super/neuschee" at various speeds - IE 78rpm, 16rpm, dubbed from cheap cassette player etc. A good story, but you wouldn't want to listen to it more than once.

A lot of "krautrock" has strong progrock tendencies, and this includes much of the above IMO. It always makes me laugh when some bullshit artist hipster starts banging on abt how it *just isn't prog, right* (cf thommy baby, wee bobby) Somehow, You jusy KNOW that if hawkwind, man, art bears or peter hammill had been german, they'd fucking love them (sigh.) Anyway, there's also stuff that I like, such as eloy, grobschnitt, jane, guru guru and the like that, given thee good doktor's anti prog preledictions, he'd probably best avoid. Be aware that just like british progressive/underground bands, most krautrock bands were only good up to a certain point - ESPECIALLY amon duul2!

One other important thing - if any ILM-ers based in or near leicester have contact details for thee "ultima thule" record shop, please post them. don't even waste your time with any other sources of kraut reissues. What these people don't know, isn't worth knowing.

A friend of mine recently described julian cope as being like "guru guru, if they'd been managed by malcolm mclaren" GOD how I wish *I'd* though of that!

Something else I though of - germany in the '70's was a bit like jamaica in the '70's, in that the amazing & unique music made there will NEVER happen again, because of the globalised media, MTV etc, and that it is UTTERLY futile to try to recreate what they did, not that it stops FOOLS trying, ov course. x0x0

norman fay, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Richard, you just made my day with the news of that re-issue :)

and I'll add: - Cluster, any good? And what albums? - Of course it's prog rock. I always thought it was a bit ironic that all those punks who trashed prog-rock got into Can in a big way.

Omar, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh God, Cluster.

I've always hated the "If X had made it instead of Y you'd like it" argument. It presumes too much about another person's tastes, it is a dead end, and it's silly too because X didn't make it and because who makes records is part of how we respond to music - the context, the package, etc.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah Tom got to agree with you, again. As witnessed again with one of those dreadful Discovery reviews ("If it was Mike & the Mechanics who made X instead of ironic French Robots nobody would notice"). Besides things from Germany have a certain coolness I reckon, well save Bayern Munchen and erm...nazi's, youknowwotImean.

Still what's up with Cluster?

Omar, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

IIRC, Tom wrote the Cluster entry in that big book of inaccuracies, lies and other untruths known as the Rough Guide to Rock.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hmmm...Tom, as an example, listen to Amon Duul2 "yeti", or "wolf city". VERY trendy, hip name to drop, "Oh, I love krautrock, amon duul, etc" Now listen to Hawkwind "Space Ritual live" or "Hall of the Mountain Grill" Note EXTREMELY STRONG similarity between musical styles of 2 bands - wonder why its *cool* to be into german prog/underground music, but NOT cool to be into brit prog/underground music. Honestly, I do think there's some bullshit holier-than-thou posing thing going on CF thom yorke's recent remarks re prog rock & kraut rock, which did sound pretty rich coming from someone who'd recently had a hit single that sounded like van der graaf generator.

It just tends to piss me off that weird 1970's german bands (many of whom were great) get lionised, often by fckng posers, whilst weird 1970's british bands (many of whom were great) are "prog"=destroy. It just makes no sense, and I'm damn sure there's something more than just musical taste being paraded there (er, not here, though, it seems :)

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norman fay, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have the first edition of this book bought at a reduced price and did not realise/notice that Tom was a contributor!

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, and if only it had stayed that way. It was a laugh to do (I listened to as many Cluster albums as I could find in 24 hours and then wrote the entry - I'd never heard a note by them before) but the actual entry was apallingly written, edited to make it worse and then I didn't get paid.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can't say I've heard much besides 'Tago Mago', Faust Tapes and the second Neu album - I think I expected more after all the glowing articles.When buying the Can album at a local record store I was told how funky it is - do not believe shit like that. Nothing of any worth to me was produced by Holgar Czukay and his tranny.


Lost Johnny, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah of course there's something more than musical taste being paraded but what I';m saying is that trying to separate that and musical taste, or pretending aloofness from all things strictly non- musical, is a mug's game.

It's all part of being a music fan - lots of the fun is affectation.

Personally I like Hawkwind and AD II about equally = not much.

The other really big aspect is that you can hear/read the lyrics on a lot of British prog records and if lyrics are important to you that might be a turn-off. Whereas that's less the case with the Germans.

And country of origin is important. There's something heroic about Turbonegro rocking Sweden in a way that there isn't about Buckcherry rocking the US, say.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

How do you like your Krautrock sir, prog-psych noodling or proto-techno electronica? For the former I'd say the first and fourth Ash Ra Temple albums (S/T and 'Join Inn') are pretty essential - Klaus Schulze is one of the all-time great rock drummers, imho - and 'UFO' by Guru Guru also has its moments of acid casualty wigged-outness. For the latter, the dreaded Cluster, esp their gorgeous 'Zuckerzeit'.

Andrew, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ha, The Rough Guide to Rock! Got the 1996 edition as a promo and gave it an unreasonably good review as then-job was in a placate advertisers and whore your own opinions phase. (Dominant phase of most magazines, o'course.) Privately, was mildly irked that, despite genuine usefulness in many areas, a book purporting to be a "guide to rock" (not pop, rock!) was full of no-count Brit indie bands and made no mention of, f'rinstance, Montrose. First album MONTROSE being more influencial than, say, THE VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO on "rock", not to mention a classic of the highest order: "Rock Candy," "Bad Motor Scooter," "Space Station #5," Ted Templeman making his name, Sammy Hagar's debut/finest moment, etc. And THAT'S not in there but f@#king Cluster is!

AP, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not pretending aloofness, Tom - sorry if it came across that way! I'm a big fan of 1970 british underground music tho' and I tend to get a bit pissed off about the way it's viewed. One of the best things about ILM, esp. to a newcomer like me is that it is more open- minded abt this (& other things)

The bit abt the lyrics is a good point - would a native-english speaking band have got away with kraftwerks lyrics? or can's?

Good point abt yer band rocking sweden too. I hope they're better than buckcherry

Anyway, Someone mentioned ashra tempel, who I forgot abt. They're also one of my favourites, "join inn" being the pick IMO. However, here's a warning - they did do two stinkers, which I'd *avoid*, even if cheap. "seven up" would be OK were it not for singing (tim leary IIRC) so k-lame it makes you feel all horrible inside, and "featuring rosi" is just a clinker. Otherwise, any ash ra tempel album featuring klaus schulze is worth picking up. One of their later albums, "blackouts", is quite nice for that 2am knackered-but-can't- sleep thang.


norman fay, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks for the avalanche of info folks. I'll be checkin out some the recommendations soon.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Siren Discs Future Releases have details of the Neu Reissues: Neu, Neu 2, Neu 75 that are due for release according to the latest information 30th April (Siren Discs import from Europe)

More info at Brainwashed Releases

April 23rd (I think the UK releases are being imoported /issued on Gronland) * Neu! - Neu! CD/LP, Neu! II CD/LP and Neu! 75 CD/LP [official reissues] (Grönland, Germany)

May 15th for the US folk trendy electronic label Astralwerks * Neu! - Neu! CD, Neu! II CD and Neu! 75 CD [official reissues] (Astralwerks, US)

Previously these have been available from some dodgy illegal Italian label (where copyright law is extremely weak), I picked up a copy of Neu 2 last year.

If you check my weblog regularly you would have been aware of the Neu reissues earlier this month.

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been getting more into Krautrock lately, too, but I've been wading in. I started with the first four Kraftwerk releases, and have headed outwards. Can's Tago Mago and Future Days are pretty good...but I started with Cannibalism 1, which provides a good overview of the early material. I've recently started checking out Faust, with both Faust 4 (great except for one track in the middle which sounds uncomfortably like a really low-grade Crimso knockoff) and the compilation of the debut and So Far (more experimental than rocking, but still good). I'm also glad to hear of the Neu re-issues, because I've been told the first one is the one to get to really understand Stereolab's entire career.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Turbonegro was Norweigan. I remember hearing some noisecore and emocore records from Malaysia and Indonesia that were just amazing even though they were terrible. My favorite kraut stuff is Monster Movie and the first Ash Ra Tempel album. And Kraftwerk, and most of the shambolic Amon Duul I stuff.

Kris, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

How can anyone say that Can aren't funky? Perhaps you've been listening to the latter (crap) albums? You mention Holger Czukay and his Tranny which he did on the later albums, mainly as a reaction to hte crap a once incredible band had resorted to playing, namely muso- by-numbers. Listen to the first four albums and some tracks off '1968 Delay' and realise how wrong you have been.

As a personal preference my favorite albums are the first two Harmonia albums, which are superb. They were a kind of super group of Cluster and Neu! members, and were representative of the more mellow side of these two groups. Unfortunately they are quite hard to get hold of as you can only get them on Import from Japan as far as I know. I managed to get them from Rough Trade in Neals Yard, but on two seperate visits.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

the early Cluster albums are hot poop...later ones are still pretty good, but i guess not as good as, say, Montrose. Yeah Harmonia, that is some choice stuff too...i think any stuff with Roedelius & /or Moebius on it is worth listening to, although of course there's a hell of a lot i never have (listened to). & on Neu! spinoffs - how about La Dusseldorf? i only ever heard 1 of their albums, once, but it sounded great.
No-one seems to've been mentioning Faust. How come? "The Faust Tapes " is one of the best albums of the time/place, up there with the best Can rec's I reckon.
On hawkwind vs. A.D.II, I think the only A.D.II albums that are specifically better than any primo-era Hawkwind albums are "Phallus Dei" & "Yeti"; the others range from patchy ("Dance of the Lemmings" is probably the next best one [whatever Julian Cope sez]) to horrible.

duane zarakov, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I suppose I've still got a lot to hear, but my favorite krautrock is probably made by Faust. Conveniently, their first two albums are available on a twofer CD. IV seems to be a lot more widely available (I found my copy in a Borders Books in Des Moines, IA, so...) and is good but if you hear it first it may make you wonder what the fuss is about. (I'm a little puzzled by the above reference to a King Crimson knockoff on that album, though.)

I can't really speak to how much their other albums 'rock' but Tangerine Dream are certainly krautrock; Zeit is an album that actually deserves the description 'glacial'. As far as I've heard anything from earlier on in their catalog will be good and also different enough from the others to make exploring worthwhile.

Josh, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just went and dug into my copy of Faust IV, and the song I linked to Crimson was "Picnic on a Frozen River". Maybe not so much Crimson now that I re-listen to it, but it certainly has a feel to it, especially in the vocals, that I tend to associate with the early-70s prog world. Most of the rest of the Faust IV album, to my ears, doesn't go anywhere near that. Maybe it's not a bad thing in and of itself, but in the context of the rest of the album, it seems misplaced.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Germany is producing some good new music at the moment in the vain of Krautrock. So, I'd recommend Barbara Morgenstern who is quite minimal analogue synth and vocal type stuff, one of her songs samples a fly buzzing near the microphone and Komeit who produce nice electronic pop but not in that knowing post modern way (eg Ladytron).

james e l, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
UK folk within striking distance of a Fopp may be interested to know that they have a promotion on under the banner of "Neu musik", covering some Kraut and (more or less) Kraut-related stuff. Nothing particularly different but (if you can cope with the growing emphasis on a stack-em-high ethos and the dopes debating which Phil Collins CD to spend a fiver on), the Bristol shop has "Monster Movie"/"Tago Mago"/"Ege Bamyasi"/"Future Days" for 10 quid, the Neu albums for 7, and the usual odds n ends for 5. Bigger Fopps might have more stuff.

Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Saturday, 24 January 2004 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

My God this is an old one (cringes slightly)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 24 January 2004 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry ;-) I was trying to do the decent thing and not start a gratuitous new thread and this was the closest that I found.

Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Saturday, 24 January 2004 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Start a new thread snnap! Ask the question your way!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 24 January 2004 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Listen to Faust if you know what's good for you.

David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 24 January 2004 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll second the Amon Duul II, Faust, Can and Ash Ra Tempel recommendations. I have a few bootlegs by these bands if anyone's interested.

Can 'Free Concert'
Can 'Future Days & Past Nights'
Amon Duul II 'Live in London'

Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 24 January 2004 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
No love for Xhol Caravan?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

remember when krautrock was cooler than hawkwind?

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

It still is in my house... and always will be. Hell, I remember when it was cooler than Yes AND Shirley Collins!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

remember when krautrock was cooler than hawkwind?

yeah, man. thank god it isn't cool anymore, i can stop feigning interest in it and start feigning interest in something new.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha ha O!T!M!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Is hawkwind "in" at the moment? lol@hipsters buying "xenon codex" or "choose your masques" if so.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

remember when krautrock was cooler than hawkwind?

Remember when we were 15 and still cared what was cool?

nathalie sans denouement (stevie nixed), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Let's just leave it at lol@hipsters!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

not to mention fucked up cleopatra discs. "NIK TURNERS HAWKWINDS IN SPACE RITCHAL VOL. ZERO ZERO SIX EIGHT"

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't seen Lindsay Lohan in a Hawkwind T-shirt, so I guess not.

nathalie sans denouement (stevie nixed), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Fair enough, think of all those shit German prog bands that people bought because they were "Krautrock"

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha wasn't the best thing like that that comp where half the bands were supposedly genesis p orridge and his mates having a larf, efs style?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

good lord, tom bigging up amon duul i and popol vuh. i remember it. i was there. but sheesh.

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

that alleged krautrock comp, that is...

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Was that the back story of that Virgin comp that I never bought then?


NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it was Julian Cope and all HIS mates? Or was it Richard Norris(?), from The Grid, and all HIS mates? The latter likely to include GP-O mind you...

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Agitation Free possibly?

gotta lol geir (NickB), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:37 (nine years ago) link

weird that the biggest city in Germany produced so little krautrock

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:42 (nine years ago) link

Well it wasn't quite so big when it was chopped in half.

gotta lol geir (NickB), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:43 (nine years ago) link

it was still the biggest by population

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:46 (nine years ago) link

weird that the biggest city in Germany produced so little krautrock

Never heard of the Berlin School (of Krautrock) (not a physical school, of course) - which was T. Dream, Klaus Schulze, Ashra? There's lots who were based there though whether they were actually from there I know not: Agitation Free. Kluster. Conrad Schnitzler. I'm sure there's more.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:46 (nine years ago) link

Ash Ra..forgot about them..

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:51 (nine years ago) link

It's not that bad a representation, 'cos all of those artists are good, there are probably a 100 more terrible ones I can't think of right now

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:54 (nine years ago) link

I mean, Hamburg is the second largest city in Germany, and what have they got? Faust... I'm struggling beyond that.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:55 (nine years ago) link

And by the way, I was in Hamburg earlier this year, and none of the people I talked to there had even heard of Faust! I'm talking musicians and people who are into music.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:56 (nine years ago) link

so which city was the krautrock capital?
i had a theory for a second it was a suburban movement..

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:58 (nine years ago) link

which music are they into?

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:58 (nine years ago) link

There wasn't one, there was was no movement (xp)

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:59 (nine years ago) link

I don't know, sort of indie people I suppose. Germans (I've met) don't seem that interested in German music tbh

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 14:59 (nine years ago) link

how old are they?

it's logical if they are young

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:00 (nine years ago) link

current german music isn't what it used to be.

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:00 (nine years ago) link

30-40 I'd say.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:01 (nine years ago) link

maybe Faust is relatively more popular abroad than in Germany.

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:03 (nine years ago) link

Lots of the well-known bands were from Dusseldorf, Cologne or Munich... Frankfurt was poorly represented though I think.

gotta lol geir (NickB), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:04 (nine years ago) link

awesome stuff:

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 20:57 (nine years ago) link

I thought I'd read that you could loosely separate the genre into two camps - the Berlin School and the Dusseldorf School (with various outliers of course). Berlin = Ash Ra Tempel, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream; Dusseldorf = Neu!, Kraftwerk, Can, Cluster.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:06 (nine years ago) link

Dusseldorf wind, easily

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:19 (nine years ago) link


nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:19 (nine years ago) link

Yes. Plus by default you can add Harmonia and La Dusseldorf to that camp. And Faust is an outlier. Where were ADII from? Popol Vuh? Probably they just complicate my simple binary distinction.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:26 (nine years ago) link

both from munchen

nostormo, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 22:28 (nine years ago) link

Berlin = Ash Ra Tempel, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream; Dusseldorf = Neu!, Kraftwerk, Can, Cluster.

Can and Cluster have got nothing to do with Dusseldorf though. Cluster started in Berlin!

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2013 07:56 (nine years ago) link

s.y.p.h. - "pst!"(1980) & "s.y.p.h."(1981) they're both available one one CD on the captain trip label. holger's on board for french horn , prod & edit duties. a sloppy, punky, minimalist step sideways from the CAN template. sounds like it was recorded yesterday & released on psf.
both moebius / beerbohm (aggro 2 note synth/ drum ambient chocolate-monk stomps)& moebius / renziehausen (toytown keyboard presets create virtual reality senile muzak weirdness) discs also essential although by no means ROCK.

massaman gai, Thursday, 17 October 2013 09:27 (nine years ago) link

Anyone looked into the 6CD boxes called "Krautrock: Music For Your Brain"? There are *5* of these boxes. Here's the first one:

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:55 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

No one's familiar with the boxes I mentioned?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 12:58 (eight years ago) link

tracklist for the first looks thrown together almost at random. can't see why one wouldn't just want to buy the original albums the songs are taken from.

rushomancy, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 19:20 (eight years ago) link

I heard the first box - it's mostly German hard rock and early prog. Moving on to albums from Copey's list.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 18:01 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

This series looks quite promising! I'm in for the first couple of volumes at least.

To provide an overview of the various musical styles in which Bureau B specializes, the label launches a new compilation series entitled Kollektion. Each release in this series will be curated by a musician perfectly suited to the task. The first kick-off release will be: Kollektion 01: Sky Records, compiled by Tim Gane. The erstwhile Stereolab mastermind delves through the archives of the legendary German Krautrock label. More projects to follow: Kollektion 02: Roedelius -- Electronic Music -- Compiled by Lloyd Cole; Kollektion 03: Bureau B -- Compiled by Richard Fearless (Death In Vegas) -- Double Album; Kollektion 04: Populare Mechanik -- Compiled by Holger Hiller. About Sky Records: The record company was founded in the year 1975 and went on to become one of the few German labels to reap international acclaim. It was run by Gunter Körber, who quit his job at Metronome where he and Bruno Wendel had spent four years developing and managing the legendary Brain label. About Tim Gane: No less a figure than Tim Gane, the man behind Stereolab, has delved into the Sky Records archives for the Kollektion series. Gane has never hidden his love of Krautrock; many a Stereolab song has its foundations in the typical "motorik" beat, while his latest band, Cavern Of Anti-Matter wallows in Klaus Dinger rhythms. Experimental sounds hold no fear for him, as early noise cassette releases under his Un-Kommuniti alias testify. His selection of tracks fits the pattern seamlessly: Asmus Tietchens, Cluster, Moebius, Roedelius, Michael Rother, Riechmann, Gunter Schickert, etc. All names writ large in the avant-garde scene of German progressive music, as well as underlining Gunter Körber's audacity in offering such music a forum with his label. In the booklet, Asmus Tietchens, who released four albums on Sky Records, looks back on collaborating with Gunter Körber.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:38 (eight years ago) link

Currently reading David Stubbs's Future Days, a great read.

goth colouring book (anagram), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:43 (eight years ago) link

Speaking of Bureau B and Sky Records, their upcoming reissue of Harald Grosskopf's Synthesist is very welcome.

doug watson, Friday, 5 September 2014 18:05 (eight years ago) link

clouds, Saturday, 6 September 2014 02:15 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

There's a new collab between Harald Grosskopf (Ashra, Klaus Schulze, a billion other bands) and sometime Kraftwerk/Neu! associate Eberhard Kranemann out now on Bureau B - the album is called Krautwerk and it seems they're touring under that name too.

Thought I'd post here as I thought I remembered reading a lot of praise for Grosskopf's "Synthesist" on ILX though I can't find where. Anyway the album isn't grabbing me that much yet but it has its moments.

They've done a few shows together already, has anyone seen them? Any good? They are playing here in Oxford on Tuesday and I would normally automatically go but the timing is inconvenient, the venue's not great, etc...

a passing spacecadet, Sunday, 1 October 2017 16:34 (five years ago) link

...apparently tonight's Grosskopf/Kranemann/Krautwerk gig is cancelled, btw, so I hope nobody had decided to go to it after reading my post there.

Not sure why or when it was cancelled or if it will be rescheduled. It's listed as cancelled on the Facebook event and 3 different ticket sites but there's no mention of the gig at all on the promoter's Facebook or Twitter, which is kind of weird imo. Hope everyone involved is OK.

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 11:00 (five years ago) link

There was a gig in Brighton which was cancelled due to poor ticket sales.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 14:15 (five years ago) link

geez that's a lame reason to cancel a show

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 14:21 (five years ago) link

brighton show was booked at quite a sizeable/expensive venue iirc?

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 14:25 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Soul Jazz just announced Deutsche Elektronische Musik Vol. 3 and I'm frickin' stoked!

Klauss Weiss – Wide Open Space Motion
A.R. & Machines – I'll Be Your Singer, You'll Be My Song
Deutsche Wertarbeit – Deutscher Wald
Dzyan – Khali
Missus Beastly – Geisha
Alex – Derulé
Agitation Free – In The Silence Of the Morning Sunrise
Georg Deuter – Pearls
Michael Bundt – The Brain Of Oskar Panizza
Popol Vuh – Ja, Deine Liebe Ist Sußer Als Wein
Novalis – Dronsz
Bröselmaschine – Schmetterling
Neu! – Neuschnee
Between – And The Waters Opened
La Düsseldorf – White Overalls
Klauss Weiss – Constellation
Achim Reichel – Tanz Der Vögel In Den Winden
Roedelius – Lustwandel
Pyrolator – Die Haut Der Frau
Cluster – Hollywood
Streetmark – Passage
Niagara – Rhythm Go
Michael Bundt – Neon

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 6 November 2017 18:39 (five years ago) link

can’t wait for some alt-right dipshit to discover ‘white overalls’ and turn white supremacists onto krautock

What's the range of an Iranian frogman dipshit? (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 6 November 2017 18:55 (five years ago) link

A nicely diverse playlist. Guess they really must like that Klaus Weiss album?

doug watson, Monday, 6 November 2017 19:01 (five years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I think this is the best Deutsche Elektronische Musik yet

paolo, Monday, 4 December 2017 21:20 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Volume 4!

1. Alex – Patella Black
2. Klaus Weiss – Driving Sequences
3. Can – I'm So Green
4. Agitation Free – Laila, Part II
5. Deutsche Wertarbeit – Guten Abend, Leute
6. Amon Düül II – Wolf City
7. Michael Rother – Flammende Herzen
8. Klaus Weiss – Pink Sails
9. Virus – My Strand-Eyed Girl
10. Conrad Schnitzler – Ballet Statique
11. Kalacakra – Nearby Shiras
12. EMAK – Tanz In Den Himmel
13. Et Cetera – Mellodrama 2a
14. Between – Triumphzug Kaiser Maximilian I
15. Roedelius – Halmharfe
16. Dzyan – Dragonsong
17. Harmonia – Deluxe (Immer Wieder)
18. Günter Schickert – Suleika
19. Witthüser & Westrupp – Schöpfung (1. Mose 1)

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 04:21 (two years ago) link

Bear family just started a series of 2cds called Kraut! I think it might include some of the rockier stuff that Cope was trying to exclude.

There are also a number of contemporary to the non-scene bands from elsewhere like Area and Balerno di Bronzo from Italy, Nyl from France and a few other things worldwide that if you like krautrock you should also enjoy. Though that might be difficult to predict. I hear an overlap in the sound anyway.
Also US things like Larry Young's Lawrence of Newark and the much later Savage Republic Jamahiriya.
Or Simply Saucer Cyborgs Revisited and things like peak Chrome that you should also check out. But hopefully you already know that.& at least 70s Hawkwind and Eno era Roxy Music should also appeal.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 08:00 (two years ago) link

Interesting that the Bear Family are moving out of their country/rockabilly comfort zone.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 08:38 (two years ago) link

Looking forward to volume 4. For some reason I thought that 3 was going to be the last.

paolo, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 08:46 (two years ago) link

Me too, it was the "That's All Folks" text on the back.

Bear Family also has an excellent set of NDW compilations called "Aus grauer Städte Mauern - Die Neue Deutsche Welle (NDW) 1977-85"

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:06 (two years ago) link

That Et Cetera song is gorgeous

brimstead, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:05 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

here's something I really dig about certain German records - stuff like Neu!, La Dusseldorf, Harmonia, Gottsching's E2-E4, etc. - it sounds like what I imagined the first albums ever released would have sounded like, if you asked me at the age of 6

frogbs, Monday, 21 November 2022 03:26 (one week ago) link

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