In your Jesus Christ POLL: BADMOTORFINGER

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Poll Results

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2. Outshined 12
4. Jesus Christ Pose 10
1. Rusty Cage 5
3. Slaves & Bulldozers 5
10. Drawing Flies 5
8. Room A Thousand Years Wide 5
5. Face Pollution 4
9. Mind Riot 4
11. Holy Water 2
7. Searching With My Good Eye Closed 2
6. Somewhere 2
12. New Damage 2


butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:43 (ten years ago) link

I suppose I could have just stopped with the tracklist at 4...

(ps oh dear mods plz fix title)

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:45 (ten years ago) link

Outshined

JESUS CHRIS

BADGES DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO WALTZ OFF WITH A BABY (HI DERE), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:52 (ten years ago) link

(is that better)

BADGES DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO WALTZ OFF WITH A BABY (HI DERE), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:52 (ten years ago) link

I haven't listened in ages, but I seem to remember frequently stopping and rewinding to listen to Room A Thousand Years Wide.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 March 2009 03:53 (ten years ago) link

Hey Seuss Christo

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 March 2009 03:54 (ten years ago) link

Anyway, "Mind Riot" in early 1992 with only guitar and vocals on the first leg of their tour.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 March 2009 03:55 (ten years ago) link

haha yeah those first four tracks are basically the whole album for me

don't understand all the 'first four' talk really, never was huge into the singles so when i heard the whole thing i was kinda blown away by how consistent it is. "Somewhere" is probably the all-time favorite, but i haven't listened to the album in years, really should.

the worst breed of fong (some dude), Monday, 30 March 2009 04:05 (ten years ago) link

i hadnt even heard the singles when i first listened to this bitch, i just notice my attention wanders after JCP every time

Went back and listened to "Room..." now and HELLYESTHISSONGISAMOTHERFUCKER

Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 March 2009 04:11 (ten years ago) link

Jesus Christ Posse, although Slaves & Bulldozers kills live...

Kings of Lygon (SeekAltRoute), Monday, 30 March 2009 05:07 (ten years ago) link

Slaves & Bulldozers kills live...

I was really torn on including SOMMS, but feared

a) splitting the slaves and bulldozers vote
b) inability to resist voting for stray cat blues

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Monday, 30 March 2009 05:09 (ten years ago) link

seriously epic shit here \m/

(also seriously lolgrunge shants'n'boots... cornell rocked those pretty much nonstop 1991/1992)

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Monday, 30 March 2009 05:14 (ten years ago) link

Room a thousand years wide has always been my go-to-track.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 30 March 2009 05:58 (ten years ago) link

satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas!

I always liked that "feeling Minnesota" lyric, shitty Keanu movie be damned.

Digging this out right now to listen to it for the first time in years.

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:16 (ten years ago) link

i guess it's gotta be 'outshined' but 'room a thousand years wide' has one of the best opening riffs of the genre.

Charlie Howard, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:57 (ten years ago) link

lol is he singing 'alive' in the middle of that vid???

goddamn that ownes

it's between Slaves/Jesus/Somewhere/Mind for me

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:38 (ten years ago) link

I first thought this was a "Jesus Christ Superstar" poll. :)

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 March 2009 12:06 (ten years ago) link

Hard choice for me, one of my favorite albums ever. Didn't hear much in the the cursory listen I'd given the their early records. Did not like this one at all when my younger brother's buddy were played it in the living room. All I could hear was churning songs with too many parts that went on too long. But my brother borrowed it, and I gave it a few more chances, and it was "Drawing Flies" that drew me in- 'cause it was fast, 'cause I thought the "x's in my eyes" wordplay and imagery was funny. (The whole record has great lyrics, something they aren't recognized for, 'cause their other discs aren't as tightly written.) With each subsequent play, another song would click for me. By the time the second release came out with SOMMS, there's was no question I'd be buying this disc for the second time in in six months.

All of their other albums try a lot harder for hooks- this one is more gnarled. Seems to force together guitar tones, time signatures, vocal imagery. But the chemistry of the band makes it work. Seems like getting a new member just as they were on the precipice of "making it" added the spark they needed. The credits suggest there was a division of labor on Badmotorfinger that doesn't happen in the rest of their catalog.

I'm gonna have to go with "Drawing Flies", as it was the gateway, and it might not get a lot of other votes. Take Sides: Soundgarden mood-lighteners: Kevin's Mom vs. Drawing Flies vs. Spoonman vs. Ty Cobb.

bendy, Monday, 30 March 2009 12:28 (ten years ago) link

Definitely regard this as their best album.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 30 March 2009 14:07 (ten years ago) link

I vote for Outshined but really I could vote for most of these tracks on any given day.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 30 March 2009 14:07 (ten years ago) link

FACE POLLUTION

6335, Monday, 30 March 2009 15:49 (ten years ago) link

last 1/3 of that song ^ is probably my all-time fave soundgarden moment

6335, Monday, 30 March 2009 15:55 (ten years ago) link

"face pollution" is such a grunge song title XD

the worst breed of fong (some dude), Monday, 30 March 2009 16:00 (ten years ago) link

more epic rocking + lolgrunge fashions

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Monday, 30 March 2009 21:20 (ten years ago) link

LOVE Drawing Flies...but it's not really representative of the album, dunno

Hadrian VIII, Monday, 30 March 2009 22:01 (ten years ago) link

NEW DAMAGE also destroys. But it'll have to be Mind Riot.

Hadrian VIII, Monday, 30 March 2009 22:02 (ten years ago) link

Jesus Christ Pose is amazing...the album is amazing...but I think Slaves and Bulldozers is my song.

Just for the ferocity of Cornell's (once) amazing shrieks...NOWWWWWWWW I KNOW WHY YOU'VE BEEN TAKKKKKKKKKENNNNNNNN!!!!!

III IV V (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Monday, 30 March 2009 22:16 (ten years ago) link

Room a Thousand Years Wide has such an enormous riff, but it's gotta be JCP.

chap, Monday, 30 March 2009 22:48 (ten years ago) link

Listening to this now on Spotify, rather than digging out the cd, and it just got interrupted by an advert for his new album which apparently includes his "groundbreaking single". How the mighty have fallen.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 30 March 2009 23:03 (ten years ago) link

Are you doing all the Soundgarden albums?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 11:25 (ten years ago) link

I have some cracking bootlegs on mp3 of early Soundgarden somewhere.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 13:15 (ten years ago) link

Are you doing all the Soundgarden albums?

Ultramega YouBetcha, though I suspect attendance for the next couple is going to be pretty sparse.

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 16:30 (ten years ago) link

What's in it for me?

Slaves and Bulldozers

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 16:32 (ten years ago) link

top 4 going to get all the votes then?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:48 (ten years ago) link

every song deserves a vote

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:04 (ten years ago) link

i actually never quite dug rusty cage. kind of plods a bit for me, and i always found it a bit of an unrepresentative track to start the album. the closing two tracks are actually outstanding - i normally never make it that far, because i'm so comprehensively pummeled by some of the earlier tracks.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:27 (ten years ago) link

voted 'Face Pollution' for the hell of it.

this was my absolute favorite band in the world from '89 to late '91. must have seen them literally 8 or 9 times during that span (in which they toured CONSTANTLY)

disagree about "Rusty Cage" ... being a massive 'Louder Than Love' fan, I had so much anticipation for this album, first time I heard "RC" i got goosebumps: they were actually getting *better*. rest of the album didn't really maintain that level, except for JCP, for me

Stormy Davis, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:30 (ten years ago) link

i'm going to go back and listen to 'louder than love'. seems there's much more to it than i initially tapped found.

anyone hear a prelude to 'fresh tendrils' in 'mind riot'? or a precursor to 'mailman' in 'holy water'?

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 2 April 2009 07:57 (ten years ago) link

no but i hear a precursor to 'holy water' in 'incessant mace'...

Plunge Protection Team, Thursday, 2 April 2009 12:52 (ten years ago) link

the song that starts out with "this is a pig" and "this is the sound the devil makes" is also a good one. This whole thing is great, with special mention to "Drawing Flies". I love when the whole band drops out and its just Cornell and the bass. Very nice.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 2 April 2009 13:54 (ten years ago) link

I feel like "Outshined" is not going to do that well. I love that song, though.

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:06 (ten years ago) link

we're way too indie around here for Outshined to win this, but it burns... it's between that and Slaves & Bulldozers for me

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:39 (ten years ago) link

more badmotorfinger video lulz

it's worth remembering that Soundgarden got their major label deal years before "grunge" broke, and it would be years more still before "stoner" had a section at the record store. A&M was selling them as a straight-up metal act.

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:43 (ten years ago) link

yeah i saw Soundgarden on Headbanger's Ball more than 120 Minutes, even after grunge hit, definitely.

the "Outshined" video always reminds me of Beavis & Butthead, who thought the bearded dude was the singer from the Spin Doctors. still a great song, don't think it'll suffer too much in the poll since it's by far the album's biggest hit.

deceptigoon (some dude), Thursday, 2 April 2009 16:48 (ten years ago) link

Drawing Flies

Joe, Thursday, 2 April 2009 19:13 (ten years ago) link

Well, yeah, that's what I mean. Counting the whole phrase as a single bar of 19 (!) is pretty ridiculous.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:53 (six years ago) link

That and it doesn't feel like a single bar of 19!

I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:02 (six years ago) link

I think this is the record that has by far survived the grunge era the best for me. This and maybe Meantime.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:06 (six years ago) link

Fixed it. I wonder if someone will change it back, arguing that they really feel the 19.

xpost

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:07 (six years ago) link

Reminds me of a story my mate told me - he was watching a band with the most amazing drummer who was pulling off all kinds of ultra-technical odd time sig shit. After the gig he asked him what the time signature was on one tune, and the drummer replied, "I always play in 1/1"

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:09 (six years ago) link

Wow, I just counted the second half of "Rusty Cage": 5 bars of 3 + 1 bar of 4!

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, July 2, 2013 10:13 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hear it as three bars of three and two bars of five fwiw

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:13 (six years ago) link

I just played it a few times at low to moderate volume (since I'm at work). I can hear it your way, although right now, I think the guitars support my analysis. I usually try to avoid analysing asymmetrical metres if there's a simpler explanation tbh. I'll listen again at home when I can play it loud enough to hear the drums really clearly.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:39 (six years ago) link

My problem with counting it as 5 bars of 3 is that then the fourth bar of "3" doesn't have a hit on the 1.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:41 (six years ago) link

sorry I mean the fifth bar of "3"

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:42 (six years ago) link

so counting the 5's is the only way I can come up with to avoid an awkward bar with no downbeat

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:43 (six years ago) link

OK, I listened a few times on headphones now. Basically, as I suspected, the guitars and bass do what I said and the drums do what you said, which is what gives this section its rhythmic tension. (You're a drummer, right?) In the 5/4 measures of your analysis, you're hearing the snare hit on beat 3? If I were transcribing the guitar or bass part, I'd probably notate it like I said originally. If I were transcribing a full band arrangement, I might do it your way and write in syncopations in the guitar and bass parts to avoid having to notate shifting accents in the drum line.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:28 (six years ago) link

In the 5/4 measures of your analysis, you're hearing the snare hit on beat 3?

Actually, no. I'm not that experienced with analysing/transcribing drum parts, tbh, but I'm not sure I'm hearing a consistent 5-beat pattern for 2 bars at the end of this phrase.

Basically, I'm hearing something closer to this in the drums:
Three bars of 3/4 with the hit on 1
2 bars of 3/4 with a hit (or accent) on the & of 2 (different from the previous beat but still a 3-beat pattern)
a bar of 4/4 with the hit/accent on 3 (non-standard but with the riff, this really does feel like a bar of 4 to me)

I'll be honest, though: the riff really feels like the predominant element here so it may be distracting me from what's really going on in the drums.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:58 (six years ago) link

The drums and guitars are accenting the same beats pretty much all the time, so just assume I am focusing on the riff. There are three bars of three where the hits are like this:

1-2-AND-3 1-2-AND-3 1-2-AND-3

After that you could count a fourth bar of three with accents on all three downbeats (1 2 3), but then the problem is that makes the next bar accent on the "and" of 1 which is very awkward (no downbeat). So instead I'm thinking of that fourth bar as a bar of five. I agree that that makes the last bar of five not really feel like a bar of five. Maybe it makes more sense to think of it as 3 - 3 - 3 - 5 - 3 - 2

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 21:10 (six years ago) link

Oh, I can hear that.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 22:18 (six years ago) link

'outshined' is the most recent good song to get played on rock radio

i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 04:59 (six years ago) link

haha i love this time signature convo

i totally believe that thayil and some other members of the band were only dimly aware of what time signature they were playing in -- drummers kinda HAVE to think about that stuff but ime you can trick guitarists and bassists into playing in time signatures they would claim not to understand if you just let them find the groove.

some dude, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 11:46 (six years ago) link

I do remember an interview (I think Guitar magazine?) with Kim Thayil where he was actually saying that Chris was telling them how to count certain phrases.

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 11:59 (six years ago) link

NB Chris started out as a drummer and wrote a ton of the riffs

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 13:09 (six years ago) link

eleven months pass...

a remaster of this could rule so hard

j., Friday, 6 June 2014 00:59 (five years ago) link

just louderize the shit out of it make those matt cameron drums shake the ground

j., Friday, 6 June 2014 01:00 (five years ago) link

i'm thinking about how massive some of the riffs would sound. in particular, Outshined and Room a Thousand Years Wide.

charlie h, Friday, 6 June 2014 01:23 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

feelin

j., Monday, 19 October 2015 19:55 (four years ago) link

that verse riff for "Holy Water" don't mess around

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 19 October 2015 20:09 (four years ago) link

MIIIIIIND RIOTTT

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Monday, 19 October 2015 20:50 (four years ago) link

the back half of this kind of turns into an anticipation of down on the upside

j., Wednesday, 21 October 2015 00:29 (four years ago) link

in a way...abandons the Sabbath heavy dirge riffing and goes into some of that open string psychedelic noodling they'd do later. just think they did it better here than on the latter.

will say the Upside stuff sounded nice live tho lst year.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 02:17 (four years ago) link

yeah i tend to think of it in my head as all sabbath heavy dirge riffing b/c of beginning and 'new damage', plus other stuff i kind of just lump together as 'not anything'

j., Wednesday, 21 October 2015 02:41 (four years ago) link

the hammer-on/pull-off riffs in weird tunings was always one of my favorite bits they did on BMF through Upside. especially the title track to Superunknown, that main riff.

It was also hella fun to be 15 years old learning the guitar and tuning a shitty Fender Squire to their weird tunings and learning to play these songs.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 02:45 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

did not know they were remastering this!

It's already on Spotify

http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/10/soundgarden-announce-deluxe-reissue-of-badmotorfinger-for-25th-anniversary/

Spottie, Monday, 28 November 2016 19:26 (three years ago) link

7 discs and no SOMMS EP? What's up with that?

dinnerboat, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:16 (three years ago) link

That second CD also features the version of “New Damage” with Queen’s Brian May.

whaaaa

orifex, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:53 (three years ago) link

my music news pipeline has utterly failed me

j., Monday, 12 December 2016 05:54 (three years ago) link

it sounds good! not the revelation i would have wished, which was maybe impossible (still kind of in mark arm 'rush' territory in the drums), but the bass has more body and there's more definition and separation in the guitar parts.

j., Monday, 12 December 2016 19:26 (three years ago) link

the latter brings out the constant texturing and noisification they've always got going on, but it especially adds to the faster songs in the latter half, because the twistiness of the riffs is made to stand out

j., Monday, 12 December 2016 19:43 (three years ago) link

It will never sound better than on my 1991 cassette.

Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 12 December 2016 19:47 (three years ago) link

OTMFM.

Dammit, just remembered that this is one of those albums I have to listen to anytime people start discussing it.

The Pleasure Principal (Old Lunch), Monday, 12 December 2016 19:58 (three years ago) link

i'm thinking about how massive some of the riffs would sound. in particular, Outshined and Room a Thousand Years Wide.

― charlie h, Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:23 PM (two years ago)

oddly, it's the buzzing thayil (i assume that's him) drone under the verses on 'room' that stands out for me—the weirdness of it definitely seems accentuated

j., Monday, 12 December 2016 19:58 (three years ago) link

Slaves and Bulldozers is still my fuckin fav

Neanderthal, Monday, 12 December 2016 23:45 (three years ago) link

man I haven't listened to this since I had it on tape when it was new

still pretty fuckin good

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 16:46 (three years ago) link

This album will always rule, IMO. I'd love to have been in the rehearsal room when they were learning how to play 'Face Pollution' ... the second half of that track is still one of my favourite Soundgarden moments.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 18:20 (three years ago) link

I had this album on really poorly pressed vinyl back in the day and was never sure all the tricky changes in Face Pollution weren't my needle skipping

Herpes Bizarre (stevie), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 19:50 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

hard to imagine that this and use your illusion came out in the same month

j., Saturday, 12 May 2018 01:33 (one year ago) link

hmm I guess use your illusion was
OUTSHINED
OUTSHINED
OUTSHINED

niels, Saturday, 12 May 2018 09:46 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/may/18/chris-cornell-soundgarden-audioslave-dead-aged-52

But there’s no doubt that Nirvana’s success propelled them to new heights of popularity, aided by the fact that Soundgarden’s breakthrough album Badmotorfinger, was clearly their most focused and commercial to date. But Soundgarden’s oft-reviled willingness to court a mainstream rock audience – “Fuck, you sound like Rush,” offered Mudhoney’s Mark Arm disparagingly on hearing Badmotorfinger – was always balanced by a certain strangeness and desire to experiment.

j., Saturday, 11 January 2020 00:00 (two weeks ago) link

From the interview Ned posted:

Regarding your own playing, some people I’ve spoken to feel that Rush’s last two albums were more commercial than usual. Was that on purpose?

NP: Well, if we were trying to be commercial, we failed.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 January 2020 05:24 (two weeks ago) link

this album fucking rules, start to finish

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 11 January 2020 15:36 (two weeks ago) link

yes

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 January 2020 15:38 (two weeks ago) link

love that every song got a vote

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 January 2020 15:39 (two weeks ago) link

This is the only Soundgarden album I ever put on.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 January 2020 15:39 (two weeks ago) link

I got to see Johnny Cash play around the time of the second American album. It was right after Soundgarden broke up, and I vividly remember him introducing "Rusty Cage" is his trademark baritone. "I sure hope those boys get back together again."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 January 2020 15:41 (two weeks ago) link


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