S&D: Glam Metal/Hair Metal

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Wyndham Earl, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Drop everything and find yourself a copy of Chuck Klosterman's "Fargo Rock City."

SEARCH: Motley Crue, Ratt, Cinderella, W.A.S.P, Hanoii Rocks, Guns'n'Roses (kinda), Faster Pussycat, Def Leppard, Quiet Riot, Helix, Twisted Sister

DESTROY: Brittney Fox, Poison, Firehouse, Autograph, Trixter (the bottom of the fuckin' barrel), Bon Jovi, White Lion, Grim Reaper, Bullet Boys, Enuff Z'nuff, Vinnie Vincent Invasaion, Slaughter, Vixen, etc.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Poison wasn't that bad. Bon Jovi had a few good Chinn/Chapman-type songs (I know how this makes me sound) and I've read Enuff Z'nuff had good Cheap Trick style stuff, but haven't heard it

Search: Kix, Redd Kross and the aformentioned. Do Japan's first two albums count? I say yes.

Sean, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck Klosterman's "Fargo Rock City."

The holy bible remains Stairway to Hell for me. If anything, I think there's *less* theory with Eddy than with Klosterman! ;-)

Def Leppard's Hysteria and Pyromania, Poison's greatest hits comp and a homemade CDR with, among other things, Ratt's "Round and Round," Motley Crue's "Looks That Kill" and "Girls Girls Girls," Enuff Z'Nuff's "New Thing" and "Fly High Michelle" and Quiet Riot's "Cum On Feel the Noize" and "Metal Health (Bang Your Head)" will stand you in good stead as a starter. Do not, under any circumstances, let the vile idiocy of Bon Jovi pollute your soul. There are higher achievements to look for -- like the first Pretty Boy Floyd album or Kix's "Don't Close Your Eyes," say.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm actually quite ignorant about this topic, though Guns N Roses I've always liked.

But why Quiet Riot's "Cum On Feel The Noize"? Stick with the Slade original!

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, the Slade original is wonderful -- but the Quiet Riot one I heard first, and it was without question the loudest fucking song I had ever heard at that time. Very much a revelation. :-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

mm, yes. i am actually putting together a cdr comp (or two) based on this genre so track suggestions please.

so far: motley crue - dr feelgood, poison - talk dirty to me, w.a.s.p. - animal (fuck like the beast), cinderella - nobody's fool, enuff z'nuff - mother's eyes, def leppard - pour some sugar on me, hanoi rocks - people like me, warrant - cherry pie, skid row - i remember you, love/hate - blackout in the red room, faster pussycat, pretty boy floyd and some other stuff.

i'm mainly relying on the popular audiogalaxy choices here and, typically, i keep getting the lighter-in-the-air crap. if anyone can come up with the harder, rockier stuff that'd be good.

also were there any GOOD female fronted bands of this type? I remember Phantom Blue, but not, er, for musical reasons. Vixen were typically dismissed as 'female Bon Jovi' and the only Lita Ford I know is the Ozzy duet..

Wyndham Earl, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: POISON (like duh!) Bon Jovi, Warrant, Winger's "Miles Away", Cinderella's "Don't Know What You Got (Til It's Gone)

Destroy: Motley Spew (they suck ass)

jel --, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, Skid Row "Mudkicker".

he he Ned, you should let Bon Jovi pollute your soul!

I must find that Love/Hate album!

jel --, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

No, Jel. I was exposed to it as a youth and have been damaged ever since. Now I tell my story to all as a warning. I am an Ancient Rocker and I stoppeth one of three, etc.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ned sed: "The holy bible remains Stairway to Hell for me. If anything, I think there's *less* theory with Eddy than with Klosterman!"

And that's precisely why Klosterman's the better book, as its not caught up in ridiculous theory (as if the genre in question lent itself to hours of chin-scratching, enigmatic pondering? It's not like it's fuckin' Free Jazz or something) Chuck Eddy, moreover, has loads of bizarre theories that just don't add up (why are Kix mentioned in his book so often?!?! Why does he consider certain artists -- like fuckin' Teena Marie -- metal and others not?) It's an interesting read, but it's just not credible. Chuck Klosterman, however, is the real deal: a white guy from the rural Midwest for whom Metal was much more than just some cultural phenomenon to be pompously ruminated over.

One more thing: Redd Kross were *NEVER* a Glam Metal/Hair Metal band.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

search - king kobra 'ready to strike', vandenberg destroy - loudness, yngwie

keith, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And that's precisely why Klosterman's the better book

Uh, I think you missed my point! I actually think Klosterman is trying to pack more theory and justification and more into his book than Eddy is with his. There's this striving in Klosterman from the point of view of his later years that is all about screaming (if politely), "This MEANS something! I know it did! I'm going to prove it!" Whereas Eddy seems to be mostly about suggesting things and changing his opinions with time -- which is why the Teena Marie suggestion so gets up your nose and that of many others! His book now would be a much different thing if he completely rewrote it; as it was the revised edition suggested a slew of new paths.

Maybe they should be read less as detailing/analyses of a culture as autobiographies, though -- which Klosterman's more openly is, but Eddy's is as much, the references are scattered throughout (it's even more clear in Accidental History, natch).

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And while I'm thinking about it, Eddy is as much a white guy from the Midwest who grew up with metal as well, if you're counting Detroit as the Midwest. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Good lord, Ned, you're right -- I completley misread your statement. Sorry about that. In any event, while I do see your point (that Klosterman is straining to assert/assign some vague semblance of meaning to Hair Metal/Glam Metal), at least Klosterman doesn't present his perspective as *FACT*, as Eddy seems to do. I'm not saying Chuck Eddy's a moron (although Teena Marie is not Heavy Metal by any standards of logical thinking, and Kix were never particularly gifted -- certainly not nearly enough to warrant an inclusion within a "top five best heavy metal albums in the universe"), but his style comes across as much more exclusionary than Klosterman's rather populist, autobiographical approach. Hair Metal meant something specific to him, and he's trying to explain that, whereas Eddy just presents his own (mis)interpretations as hard & fast rules.

Moreover, Eddy's writing is often needlessly dense and pompously convoluted (from his review of WHAT'S THIS FOR by Killing Joke: "The funkless 'groove' doesn't 'go' anywhere --it just is --, but these artsy Eeyores really did get a meritorious rump-bump beneath all their echoplex churn.....The most illegible Weltasnschauung is your usual end-is-near Weltschmerz, so it's shallower idea-wise that it thinks it is, but maybe that's where its humanness -- and maybe even its rock'n'roll -- comes from."

Now, this may sound like sour grapes coming from me (being a zealous Killing Joke fan) but nine-tenths of the above passage add up to nothing.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Klosterman's book is a decently entertaining read, but I have never in my life come across so many poorly-argued justifications in my life: either he's going to great ruminative lengths to justify things that he's already cast off as not needing ruminative justifications, or he's going to great philosophical lengths to justify things and completely missing the obvious exculpatory arguments to be made about them. It's an amusing and enlightening memoir packed full of ridiculous runs of devastating illogical cultural criticism (reaching its peak in a truly boneheaded discussion of sexism): there are moments where he'd be much better off sticking with his otherwise- valuable "well it meant something to me" schtick.

nabisco%%, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

How about Cyanide, a loving tribute to Poison?

Leee, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Klosterman's and Eddy's books are both essential, possibly for different reasons. Klosterman's (which I'm 3/4 of the way thru and totally enjoying, despite some early misgivings) is great because he's really good at telling how the music fit into his teenage (and his adult) life, and he comes off as a huge pop fan with an equal love for hair and hooks, and he describes the music really well without taking pop-metal ignoramuses like myself for granted (his descriptions of various Poison and White Lion songs had me searching AudioGalaxy--mostly to no avail, unfortunately). And his phone conversation with Barney Hoskyns is just a classic classic moment. But yeah, he's weak on the justifications, and some of his stories and punchlines don't add up to as much as they should--plus, the copy I have doesn't have an index, which I hate. (I don't agree with Ned, though, that he's trying to make a point that it Means Something Important--I think him and Eddy are both good at avoiding that.) Eddy's writing rarely sends me out to the used record bins, but that's because his writing itself functions more as music to my ears.

s woods, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

alex yr theory of genres is total media-fed sheepy palabumum (you know this don't you?) => RAISE YOUR STANDARDS!!

mark s, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark, you soft-craniumed Destiny's Child zealot, must you continue to shamelessly dishonor the fire this way?

Alex in NYC, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Redd Kross were never a glam metal/hair metal band, though they did sometimes do shows with various mid-Eighties Sunset Strip Starz. My friend Kim has a flyer for a show they headlined at a tacky club in the Valley in 1985 with Poison as the opening act!

Search: Femme Fatale-"Waiting for the Big One"

God, remember Starz? Wrong era, I know, but "Pull the Plug", the Karen Ann Quinlan-inspired euthanasia power ballad--what a song! I think. I should download it first before I start making these outrageous claims.

Arthur, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Haha I didnt know Poison once supported Redd Kross.

Rock Bastard, Saturday, 20 March 2004 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

seven years pass...

Revive. I spent a very long time without hearing Def Leppard's Pyromania (25 years?) and I heard it this past weekend and I'm kinda feeling it. Also ISO RIYL Ratt "Round and Round".

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:25 (ten years ago) link

No serenade, no fire brigade.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:33 (ten years ago) link

eight years pass...

Steel Panther are kind of the worst

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 August 2019 01:55 (two years ago) link

They certainly seem like it, but I've never actually heard their music. Satchel is one of my favorite stage names though.

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 19 August 2019 12:25 (two years ago) link

i hate them so much lol

maura, Monday, 19 August 2019 12:25 (two years ago) link

Chuck Eddy vs. Chuck Klosterman: some other universe.

clemenza, Monday, 19 August 2019 13:32 (two years ago) link

Steel Panther made a half second of sense back in early 2000s Metal Sludge days, maybe.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 August 2019 13:47 (two years ago) link

I keep hoping Justin Quirk is going to get his last 3% funding on Unbound to publish.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Friday, 23 August 2019 08:07 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

are Diemonds glam metal?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 25 April 2020 17:01 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

I found the track listing for the five-CD set I made for a girl who did an '80s glam night at the High Five back when I lived in Ohio. In retrospect I might have included some of the original '70s glam bands to mix things up but still, not a bad box set if I say so myself:

DISC ONE
1. Kix - Cold Shower
2. Alice Cooper - Poison
3. Skid Row - Youth Gone Wild
4. Firehouse - Love Of A Lifetime
5. Judas Priest - The Hellion
6. Judas Priest - Electric Eye
7. Warrant - Uncle Tom's Cabin
8. Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine
9. White Lion - Wait
10. Arcade - Nothing To Lose
11. Enuff Z'Nuff - New Thing
12. Cinderella - Shake Me
13. Killingbird - Just Like Heaven
14. Faster Pussycat - You're So Vain
15. Bon Jovi - Livin' On A Prayer
16. Great White - Once Bitten, Twice Shy
17. Bon Jovi - Runaway
18. Steelheart - I'll Never Let You Go
19. Def Leppard - Rock Of Ages

DISC TWO
1. Dirty Looks - It's Not The Way That You Rock
2. Vixen - Edge Of A Broken Heart
3. Tesla - Gettin' Better
4. The Poor - More Wine Waiter Please
5. Keel - The Right To Rock
6. Bang Tango - Dancin' On Coals
7. Buckcherry - Lit Up
8. Mötley Crüe - Shout At The Devil
9. Dokken - In My Dreams
10. Britney Fox - Long Way To Love
11. Kingdom Come - Get It On
12. Mötley Crüe - Smokin' In The Boys Room
13. Twisted Sister - We're Not Gonna Take It
14. Poison - Talk Dirty To Me
15. Katmandu - The Way You Make Me Feel
16. Def Leppard - Foolin'
17. Beautiful Creatures - 1 A.M.
18. Every Mother's Nightmare - EZ Come EZ Go
19. Guns N' Roses - Paradise City

DISC THREE
1. Whitesnake - Still Of The Night
2. Mr. Big - Addicted To That Rush
3. Hanoi Rocks - Teenangels Outsiders
4. Shotgun Messiah - Babylon
5. The Cult - Fire Woman
6. Whitesnake - Here I Go Again
7. The Honey’s - Pink Velvet Cocaine
8. Mötley Crüe - Live Wire
9. Extreme - Get The Funk Out
10. Trixter - Bad Girl
11. Aerosmith - Dude (Look Like A Lady)
12. Winger - Seventeen
13. Guns N' Roses - You Could Be Mine
14. Killer Dwarfs = Dirty Weapons
15. Firehouse - Don't Treat Me Bad
16. Accept - Balls To The Wall
17. Nelson - (I Can’t Live Without Your) Love And Affection
18. Mötley Crüe - Girls, Girls, Girls

DISC FOUR
1. Danger Danger - Slipped Her The Big One
2. Van Halen - Hot For Teacher
3. Manda And The Marbles - Sex Object
4. Def Leppard - Pour Some Sugar On Me
5. Hericane Alice - Tear The House Down
6. Loudermilk - Estrogen Oxygen
7. Krokus - Midnight Maniac
8. Drivin' N' Cryin' - Fly My Courageous
9. Warrant - Cherry Pie
10. Lita Ford - Kiss Me Deadly
11. Guns N' Roses - Welcome To The Jungle
12. Pretty Boy Floyd - Rock & Roll
13. Quiet Riot - Cum On Feel The Noize
14. AC/DC - You Shook Me All Night Long
15. Gene Loves Jezebel - Jealous
16. Zodiac Mindwarp - Prime Mover
17. Ugly Kid Joe - Everything About You
18. Dogs D'Amour - I Don't Want You To Go
19. Poison - Every Rose Has It’s Thorn
20. Ratt - Round And Round

DISC FIVE
1. Kik Tracee - Mrs. Robinson
2. Skid Row - I Remember You
3. Dangerous Toys - Pissed
4. Bon Jovi - You Give Love A Bad Name
5. Ozzy Osbourne - Shot In The Dark
6. Hardline - Hot Cherie
7. Jesse Camp - See You Around
8. Slaughter - Up All Night
9. Poison - Nothin' But A Good Time
10. Kiss - Heaven's On Fire
11. Kix - Blow My Fuse
12. Love / Hate - Why Do You Think They Call It Dope?
13. Poison - Unskinny Bop
14. Bonham - Wait For You
15. Heavy Pettin' - Love On The Run
16. Scorpions - Rock You Like A Hurricane
17. Faster Pussycat - Bathroom Wall
18. L.A. Guns - Sex Action
19. Michael Monroe - Dead, Jail, or Rock 'n Roll

There are a couple of nods to local (at the time) Columbus bands that made the list which may explain some bands most don't know; the rest isn't very obscure, I don't think.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 02:21 (one year ago) link

I love everything about this track list

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 03:27 (one year ago) link

People really don't have enough Krokus in their lives

p.j.b. (pj), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 05:31 (one year ago) link

otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 05:36 (one year ago) link

Oh man, just saw these posts...

Redd Kross were never a glam metal/hair metal band, though they did sometimes do shows with various mid-Eighties Sunset Strip Starz. My friend Kim has a flyer for a show they headlined at a tacky club in the Valley in 1985 with Poison as the opening act! ― Arthur, Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:00 PM

Haha I didnt know Poison once supported Redd Kross. ― Rock Bastard, Friday, March 19, 2004 11:03 PM

I interviewed Redd Kross in their dressing room when they played NYC to support Phaseshifter which actually remains my favorite Redd Kross record. I was doing it for Livewire, the national metal magazine, so I asked them why back in the old days they chose to get bottled by angry Black Flag/Circle Jerks fans playing shows with them when LA had a metal scene that was actually a lot closer sonically to what they were doing.

One of the McDonald brothers gave me a great story about what is probably that show - they said they played a gig with Poison. At the show, Poison - who was unsigned at the time - had a limo and champagne backstage and a sign on the dressing room door that said they were the "Glitter Glam Slam Kings of Rock & Roll."

I think I remember the exact quote: "We heard they were into the Dolls, but really they just liked Van Halen. And we decided then that we never, ever wanted to be associated with that again."

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 17:22 (one year ago) link

lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 17:50 (one year ago) link

those cds are great!

maura, Thursday, 23 July 2020 12:10 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

I've been reading that hair metal oral history, and tbh forgot what most of these bands sounded like. And the answer is ... they sounded like garbage. Bad songs, terrible production, everything bad but the image, which wasn't bad so much as lazy and stupid. Like, I just spent a bit listening to stuff on youtube by Faster Pussycat and Cinderella and Poison and White Lion and Warrant and Winger and it's pretty much all soooo bad, made probably more embarrassing when the guys can actually sing kinda cool (like Tom in Cinderella) or play (like the guitar solo on White Lion's "Wait," which is super cool) and yet are so beholden to a certain sound that it still sounds like shit. And then the videos ... woof. Even as a middle schooler smack dab in the middle of this particular marketing bullseye I thought this music was shit, and with few exceptions it's aged terribly. It's all so thin and shrill and treble-y, with huge marshmallow snares that take up half the mix (and try to make up for the fact that there's nothing to hide in there anyway).

Imo.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:50 (eight months ago) link

I will stan for Cinderella, wtf!!!!

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:56 (eight months ago) link

mostly their later, bloosier stuff, but even the more glammy stuff.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:56 (eight months ago) link

It's gonna be a long cold lonely winter without Josh in Chicago's love.

peace, man, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:11 (eight months ago) link

Note: I saved some of my limited praise for Cinderella specifically.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:32 (eight months ago) link

the solo for "Wait" is really cool, like Vito Bratta figured out some way forward from EVH that was actually interesting

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:34 (eight months ago) link

Tom Keifer doing his Cinderella thing solo has been *sad* from the videos I saw, though. He screeeeeeeamed his heart out for a wee bit too long

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:43 (eight months ago) link

~cries, clutches aquanet~

YOURE TERRIBLE

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:55 (eight months ago) link

I went on a glam/hair metal kick after seeing GNR a few years back and I discovered that I do like eaaaarly Motley Crue, and Dangerous Toys (somewhat), and Black 'n Blue, and I think Ratt, but I hate a lot of it. do not care for Dokken!

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:59 (eight months ago) link

Tooth and Nail!!! Cmon

brimstead, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:00 (eight months ago) link

Enuff Z'nuff were the best of these bands, more like Redd Kross musically speaking (if not lyrically).

did you hear about the midnight ambler gambler? (Matt #2), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:07 (eight months ago) link

Enuff Z'nuff were the best of these bands, more like Redd Kross musically speaking (if not lyrically).

― did you hear about the midnight ambler gambler? (Matt #2), Wednesday, May 12, 2021 4:07 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha they were such the "best pop metal band" for people who didn't like pop metal, kinda bored me personally

Dokken rules

this is the most underrated hair metal album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSV6R9ZVFFY

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:09 (eight months ago) link

also anyone who likes hair metal listen to Vain - "No Respect", imo a lost classic of the genre

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2021 05:30 (three weeks ago) link

xpost sorry dude, this is where i leave u

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 December 2021 05:39 (three weeks ago) link

fare the well

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2021 05:50 (three weeks ago) link

thee lol

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2021 05:50 (three weeks ago) link

fare thee lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 December 2021 06:17 (three weeks ago) link

but: i will rejoin you on Vain - thx for the rec, they are p good!!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 December 2021 06:20 (three weeks ago) link

Pretty surprised by the anti ratt chat in here i thought they were like the “cool” hair metal group to like?

Spottie, Thursday, 30 December 2021 06:23 (three weeks ago) link

everyone likes them except me and neanderthal. but the record clearly shows that they suck & everyone is wrong :D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 December 2021 07:26 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBYa2xGDAQs

I didn't realise Ratt were on the Point Break soundtrack!

The vocals actually remind me of Dave Mustaine at certain points.

charlie rex, Thursday, 30 December 2021 10:43 (three weeks ago) link

Those first two Ratt albums are close to flawless! Dancin' Undercover shows some cracks but has some phenomenal, original moments. They started to sound cookie cutter after that. To be honest, "Way Cool Jr." is where they lost me.

A. Begrand, Thursday, 30 December 2021 12:14 (three weeks ago) link

Way Cool Jr. was one of my favorite music videos when I was 10. Not the best song though, it's true.

peace, man, Thursday, 30 December 2021 14:30 (three weeks ago) link

dimartini is a great guitarist but he is not enough for me to endure sitting through literally any song

This ties into something in the "Nothing But A Good Time" book. I think Phil Collen observes that thanks to Van Halen every one of these bands wanted a flashy guitar guy, but few could pull it off convincingly. On one (er) extreme were the guys that just weren't that good (Mick Mars, CC). On the other extreme were guys that were *really* good (Dimartini, Lynch, Vito Bratta, hell, Nuno) but were not really enough to make their bands particularly compelling. The bonehead stupid and/or party stuff just stomps all over the flash, really underscoring the lightning in a bottle qualities of Van Halen, the rare band whose frontman was as compelling as its virtuoso guitar linchpin/namesake.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 December 2021 15:40 (three weeks ago) link

Of course, the emptier and flashier the guitar playing, the more these guys had to stress in guitar magazine interviews that their real goals were "feel" and "musical integrity".

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 30 December 2021 16:05 (three weeks ago) link

Vito Bratta's solo on "Wait" is one of the best guitar solos ever recorded

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2021 16:20 (three weeks ago) link

found this playlist, lots of off the beaten path bands/songs

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2021 16:23 (three weeks ago) link

i do agree with vg that pearcy's lyrics are like they are written by a horny baby imitating dr suess

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 30 December 2021 20:28 (three weeks ago) link

Look, let's not impugn the talents of horny babies:

"You know you really want to lay it down
Right now!
And how!"

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 30 December 2021 20:39 (three weeks ago) link

Out on the streets, that's where we'll meet
You make the night, I always cross the line
Tightened our belts, abused ourselves
Get in our way, we'll put you on your shelf

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 December 2021 20:46 (three weeks ago) link

oops forgot the playlist

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5UsHZLOklMoDXgfsyofaJa?si=RoSNQWviREKbCbiunJZ2_g&utm_source=copy-link

Pearcy is a moron but I dunno, judging hair metal on dumb lyrics seems like a dangerous path to go down

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 December 2021 20:49 (three weeks ago) link

Dr. Feelgood, heal thyself.

ma dmac's fury road (PBKR), Thursday, 30 December 2021 21:04 (three weeks ago) link

silly hair metal lyrics are the best

they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 December 2021 21:06 (three weeks ago) link

i agree and ratt were SICK (for like 2 years)

also this band my god they ruled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3TEo9tKa0o

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 30 December 2021 21:10 (three weeks ago) link

Vito Bratta's solo on "Wait" is one of the best guitar solos ever recorded

Agree with this. It also helps that the song is waaay more Cheap Trick than hair metal, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 December 2021 23:20 (three weeks ago) link

hanoi rocks are great

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 December 2021 23:49 (three weeks ago) link

I never got to see Van Halen in person, but Vito Bratta is the greatest guitarist I have ever seen perform. I think I named "Wait" the best pop/glam metal song of the 80s for a big Stereogum piece a few years back.

A. Begrand, Friday, 31 December 2021 01:40 (two weeks ago) link

Strange legacies

Rest in peace Tiffini Hale of The Party. Dug these cats a lot as a teen. And this is a killer cover of a Dokken (!!) song: https://t.co/4HPv6N5KHJ

— Lil Mikey J (He/Him/His) (@tismikejoseph) December 31, 2021

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 December 2021 02:17 (two weeks ago) link

i dont want to come off like im a huge hair metal stan cuz i legit think its the worst genre of all time and life/music was the pits when i was a kid and shitty ballads were on mtv ALL DAY every day. its just a big part of my life because it was the most popular music when i started getting into music that wasnt my parents' records. there was a guy that was around the scene when I started playing in bands named Stevie Rachelle from the band Tuff and his story was that his album came out the week Nevermind came out. people would point at him and go "poor guy." lol

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 31 December 2021 02:43 (two weeks ago) link

I still love how a chance memory of a couple of old LA Times pieces and a discussion online led to this piece, one of the favorites I've written

https://www.nashvillescene.com/music/rock-drummer-pepper-denny-puts-down-roots-and-still-chases-the-dream/article_b8b359d2-c469-5b68-a7d0-d77e08d853b6.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 December 2021 04:23 (two weeks ago) link

i was 9 or 10 when it first started, perfect age to be swept up in Bon Jovi’s handsome hairspray funtimez - that was my starter ban, and Poison’s frosted lipstick & neon, White Lion’s beautiful balladry and Def Leppard … by the time I was hitting my early teens I said goodbye to all that girly stuff and replaced all my Poison posters w Motley Crue … then less than a year later they all came down & up went the GNR posters

i think that’s why i still love it. I honestly didn’t know or think it was terrible until i was much older, but by then yhd damage was long passed being done and i didnt care
lmao

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 December 2021 04:24 (two weeks ago) link

I think the first metal-ly thing I ever heard as a kid was Judas Priest's "You've Got Another Thing Comin'" at the house of a family friend. I was 100% NOT supposed to be listening to that (or anything secular at all), so naturally I loved it. A year or two later, Van Halen's '1984' came out and, though that's never been categorized as hair metal for whatever reason, I'd found my vibe for the next however many years. Thank God for Stryper (pun intended), because they helped me grease the wheel of convincing my parents to let me buy metal tapes.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 31 December 2021 04:56 (two weeks ago) link

<3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 December 2021 05:29 (two weeks ago) link

My first tastes of glam metal were Judas Priest Locked In and Dokken's In My Dreams which I caught on MTV during our first week of cable before mom forbade MTV. I, however, had recorded it on my little cassette player, along with Let's Go All The Way by Sly Fox, No One is to Blame by Howard Jones, Innocent Eyes by Graham Nash. Martha Quinn was the VJ and there was a commercial for Studio Line by L'Oreal as well.

Oh, and I learned about Europe via Nick Rocks (not forbidden) and my parents let me buy The Final Countdown.

The next year I moved to a new town and met some kids a year older than me who mocked my Europe and Dokken, but were constantly playing Hysteria, Girls Girls Girls, Look What the Cat Dragged In, Night Songs to a lesser extent and eventually, Appetite.

peace, man, Friday, 31 December 2021 12:27 (two weeks ago) link

I never liked any of the prototypical hair bands, not even when I was the bullseye target audience. Never owned anything by Motley Crue, Cinderella, Bon Jovi, Poison, et al., and generally changed the channel when they came on the radio or MTV (at least by the time we got MTV). The only time it eventually clicked was GNR, which I think we've established as a transitional peak/breaking point. Or I guess Hysteria (if Def Leppard counts), I owned that album, but so did everyone and even if you didn't those songs were so ubiquitous you might as well have owned it. The hair stuff was just so garish and dumb, but in a pretty unappealing (to me) way. When something older like "Breaking the Law" or "You've Got Another Thing Comin'" ever came on Headbanger's Ball it just seemed both tougher *and* more fun. And of course Van Halen transcended the genre.

Bon Jovi was actually an important band for me, because when they started to crest (I was in Philly) they were so annoying and not my thing that I had to more or less stop listening to the radio, which sent me, as a middle schooler, seeking solace in albums and classic/catalog rock. I distinctly remember a long period of Bon Jovi on one radio extreme (lol) and New Kids on the other top 40 extreme and then somewhere at the end of that two-year tunnel hearing "Bring the Noise" and "Potholes in My Lawn" and thinking, finally, something different. Then I was off to the races.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 December 2021 15:29 (two weeks ago) link

Finished the book a day or two ago. I found it pretty interesting to hear these stories; a decided contrast to the VU and Beatles docs in that tbqh most of these guys don't seem very smart. There's sort of an interesting contrast between the attitudes of some of the early guys like Quiet Riot and George Lynch and Ratt, who seemed somewhat serious about the music they wanted to make, even when it was unfashionable, and a bunch of the guys who came later on like Poison and Faster Pussycat and Warrant who were almost jaw-dropping in their lack of any artistic vision and were upfront about being in it for the fame and chicks. A number of people, esp some of the johnny-come-latelies, certainly not all, didn't really seem that broken up about the swift decline of the music in the 90s - like they rode a wave for what it was worth and moved on. Winger a noted exception - they really seem bitter about the way they were personally targeted by Metallica and Beavis & Butthead, though even they cop to basically cashing in on a trend, although in their case they were prog rock and session guys who were slumming it. The chapter on ballads was kind of funny - so many of them seem to have seen these as a necessary evil they did grudgingly, since they were usually the genre's biggest hits.

I tried actually listening to Winger's first album, since I've always liked the singles, and a lot of the rest really didn't seem that great. I turned it off when I got to the "Purple Haze" cover. Listened to some of Kip's orchestral composition (Conversations with Nijinsky and Ghosts), though, and they're actually decent. I was a bit surprised by the first Motley Crue album - some solid stuff there.

Some of the connections to goth rock and NY punk/postpunk stuff were interesting too.

treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Monday, 10 January 2022 02:48 (one week ago) link

Winger were kind of analogous to the hair metal scene as The Police were to punk.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 10 January 2022 02:52 (one week ago) link

Motley’s first album is still their best imo
The original Leathür records version doesnt have the sped-up vocals & bells/whistles & is imo preferable to the wide-release version

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 January 2022 03:04 (one week ago) link

xpost Winger also blessed w insufferable lead singer lmao

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 January 2022 03:04 (one week ago) link

Winger were kind of analogous to the hair metal scene as The Police were to punk.

I know what you mean, except the Police were really talented and original, even at the start, whereas the Winger guys dumbed themselves down.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 January 2022 03:08 (one week ago) link

After a point, Winger's "Hungry (for your love)" starts to blend into White Lion's "Hungry (for your love)", you know?

Hair metal probably personally significant in that it was probably the first musical genre I both fell in love with and outgrew once I recognized the formulae and imitations.

treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Monday, 10 January 2022 03:27 (one week ago) link

Actually, listening now, Winger's "Hungry" sounds a bit like it prefigures some of the emo mall-rock stuff that came later.

treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Monday, 10 January 2022 03:43 (one week ago) link

When the W-initialed bands took over that was both the high water mark of hair metal and the point at which the genre became absurd

Josefa, Monday, 10 January 2022 04:22 (one week ago) link

I turned it off when I got to the "Purple Haze" cover.

My high school band played "Purple Haze"...in the Winger arrangement, because our lead guitarist thought Winger's solo was better.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 02:57 (one week ago) link

lmao

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 02:58 (one week ago) link

o_O

treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 03:22 (one week ago) link

I just played the Noel Redding bassline anyway.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 03:33 (one week ago) link

“hendrix aint shit, winger is where it’s at man”

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 03:47 (one week ago) link

that's hilarious. that's like doing the Whitesnake version of "Day Tripper"

i thought the crüe helter skelter was the funkiest song i ever heard when i was a kid

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 03:52 (one week ago) link

my high school choir teacher (amazing teacher, still keep in touch w/ her) had this weird habit of making us do the non-iconic versions of songs, usually cos she often would play the recording for us before we learned it and sometimes the only tape she had was a cover version.

Freshman boys were doing "Duke of Earl" and instead of Gene Chandler, she had the New Edition version on tape, so she made our accompanist (a very pretentious, nerdy, straight-laced classically trained dude who scoffed at such music) learn all the cheesy synth parts and play it on the KORG>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcu0eHDDyis

xpost I like that cover!


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