the cult of dilla, c/d?

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moonship journey to baja, Monday, 16 March 2009 20:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

dud

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, 16 March 2009 20:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

dudcock

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 20:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine anyone who has interacted with pipecock is going to vote classic on this one.

Alex in SF, Monday, 16 March 2009 20:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

paging deej

dude n ned (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 March 2009 20:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

never got what's so great about this guy (Labcabincalifornia is terrible with the exception of a couple tracks)

someone needs channel ethan to give this thread the appropriate flavor

One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 March 2009 20:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

this thread is pathetic.

uncannydan, Monday, 16 March 2009 20:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

For me, I don't care for the majority of his own work, but I like most of the stuff he influenced.

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 20:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think he's quite good actually (although the endless love for Donuts is kind of baffling) but there is no doubt that the fawning praise from certain circles is a lot over the top.

Alex in SF, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

never got what's so great about this guy (Labcabincalifornia is terrible with the exception of a couple tracks)

he didn't produce all of Labcabin

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

how is this thread pathetic? The guy was a virtuoso yeah but the kids running around with J Dilla changed my life shirts are dud.

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

he is that great (& that influential) but the tributes & worship are getting a little old

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think a 42 track beat konducta tribute to dilla is in order.

H3LP, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

but the kids running around with J Dilla changed my life shirts are dud.

― autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, March 16, 2009 9:06 PM (6 minutes ago)

Have never seen one of these, but would probably find it pretty lol if confronted with it in the real world.

ian, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

even i'm over it

(jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

J Dilla changed my life

I couldn't watch Wolverine State past that scene.

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

but the kids running around with J Dilla changed my life shirts are dud.

― autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, March 16, 2009 9:06 PM (6 minutes ago)

Have never seen one of these, but would probably find it pretty lol if confronted with it in the real world.

― ian, Monday, March 16, 2009 5:14 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

met an australian guy in nepal wearing one of these shits - i couldnt resist asking him wtf he thought he was up to - got an earful abt this amzing artist

ice cr?m, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

Changing lifes one aussie guy at a time.

H3LP, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

guys you should all live in the burbs like me and you avoid all this crap

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

shit man, i live in brooklyn and have never seen one of those shirts!

ian, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

(don't leave my house or shop at A1 much though.)

ian, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

it's died down quite a bit but go to turntable lab or hang out in soho/east village and you'll still see a few Dilla Donuts shirts between a New Era and a pair of limited sneakers of some sort.

The only really great thing I know of to come out of the posthumous "cult of dilla" is the two mixes J Rocc made. Really good, search those.

They even put out an album he never finished and supposedly hated ( iirc it wasn't Stones Throw that put it out though)

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

only time I met a guy with one of those t-shirts he was Australian also

Local Garda, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

i have seen these shirts

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

go to la. hate your life

(jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

saddam was wearing one when he was executed actually

Local Garda, Monday, 16 March 2009 21:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

weirdest thing is how he was mainly known as Jay Dee and maybe occasionally as J Dilla but after his death the latter really caught on (maybe cause people got tired of the Jermaine Dupri confusion) and now you seem to hear just "Dilla" like people are so fanatical they can just skip straight to the most casual shorthand.

some dad (some dude), Monday, 16 March 2009 21:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

you guys on this thread got good problems. all i can say.

She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

lolz there are like four other people I think of when I hear the name "Jay D/J Dee" besides Dilla and Jermaine Dupri

One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

weirdest thing is how he was mainly known as Jay Dee and maybe occasionally as J Dilla but after his death the latter really caught on (maybe cause people got tired of the Jermaine Dupri confusion) and now you seem to hear just "Dilla" like people are so fanatical they can just skip straight to the most casual shorthand.

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― some dad (some dude), Monday, March 16, 2009 2:59 PM Bookmark

"big" "pac"

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

you guys on this thread got good problems. all i can say.

― She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, March 16, 2009 6:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

other peoples shirts

ice cr?m, Monday, 16 March 2009 22:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

xxxxp I think the proliferation of "Dilla" came with all the hype around Donuts because it came out right when he dies and everyone jumped all over it because of that

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

OPS

She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

YAH U KNOW ME

ice cr?m, Monday, 16 March 2009 22:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

i like slum village btw

ice cr?m, Monday, 16 March 2009 22:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

"apples" "oranges" rev

some dad (some dude), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

WWJD

She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

this is a weird thread

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

says the guy whose screenname is the equivalent of a "dilla changed my life" shirt

some dad (some dude), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

"apples" "oranges" rev

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― some dad (some dude), Monday, March 16, 2009 3:06 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not really sure how so

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think there really is an instinct to speak of fallen heroes in the most familiar terms possible.

Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think cuz pac & big, like oranges, are waaaay wayyyy better than jay dee, like apples.

u know???

ian, Monday, 16 March 2009 22:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

rev, j dilla didn't die like a gangsta, so it's ok to be all 2006 is lame and shit

She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

makes sense to me lol

She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

i meant more comparing common nicknames of huge cultural icons to a guy who was barely known by any name for his best known work in his lifetime is shaky, but i guess i invited it with the part focusing on the 'casual shorthand' part (when the term i should've emphasized would be, say, 'posthumous re-branding').

some dad (some dude), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

cult of serge, c/d?

all these french kids. hate life.

She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

btw i started this thread with great conflict in my heart because as patrin is right to note "dil cosby / dil withers suite" is not only the best beatkonducta work yet, it's also an amazing listen

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 16 March 2009 22:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for Slum Village and doing Jaylib and solo stuff, really had no idea he was responsible for all these Tribe/Badu/Janet/Common/De La/Q-Tip records I knew and liked/loved and mainly associated with 'The Ummah' or 'the Soulquarians' or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 2-3 years later people would be all Dilla this, Dilla that.

some dad (some dude), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 March 2009 22:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

Britisher who isn't too invested in rap has big gaps in rap knowledge and weird opinions about rap, news at 11. I don't know why I'm defending dude, but the level of freaking out in this thread seems kind of above and beyond.

someone who genuinely likes to make children cry (The Reverend), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 22:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

no ones freaking out. were just making fun

autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 22:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

& 'the light' isnt close to his best dilla track either

yes, it's def close.
Rev clearly you were not alive during the 60s and therefore unable to judge when there's an actual FREAKOUT going down.

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 June 2009 01:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha clearly

someone who genuinely likes to make children cry (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 June 2009 02:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

This is possibly the worst thread on ILM, and with the shit quality of most threads here that is really saying something.

pipecock, Thursday, 18 June 2009 02:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

^reliable

someone who genuinely likes to make children cry (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 June 2009 02:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

i wouldnt expect a fully-licensed member of the cult of dilla to be totally happy w this thread no

autogucci cru (deej), Thursday, 18 June 2009 02:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

couldn't get much worse ... then cock walked in

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 18 June 2009 03:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

"i wouldnt expect a fully-licensed member of the cult of dilla to be totally happy w this thread no

― autogucci cru (deej)"

i would expect a fully-licensed member of the cult of stupidity to be v happy with this thread.

pipecock, Thursday, 18 June 2009 03:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

let us pray

autogucci cru (deej), Thursday, 18 June 2009 03:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

"i would expect a fully-licensed member of the cult of stupidity to be v happy with this thread."

And yet you are not. How strange.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 18 June 2009 04:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

alex did you just

i mean why even

it's pipecock for the sake of

nevermind

mo money mo collier (some dude), Thursday, 18 June 2009 04:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

cock-baiting is an american classic

michel gonorrhea (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 June 2009 04:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

if it works the other way around, then i understand why reynolds wrote something so american-baiting

mo money mo collier (some dude), Thursday, 18 June 2009 04:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

"i agree but i kind of think this:

Why do you look for 60s & 70s rock? Crippling reverence towards the past?

says a lot about his weird anti-90s rap weirdness."

Yeah I thought the line about looking for old rock was unfortunate in context. OTOH I don't think sr actually iscripplingly reverent towards 60s and 70s rock (he almost never talks about it), any more than anyone who buys soul records of old school rap is automatically a dj premier stan or owns a "dilla changed my life t-shirt."

Plus i don't think sr is actually anti-90s rap. He always seemed to love wu-tang and tupac. His hatred for biggie is obv highly offensive, of course.

Tim F, Thursday, 18 June 2009 04:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

any more than anyone who buys soul records of old school rap is automatically a dj premier stan or owns a "dilla changed my life t-shirt."

haa but thats sort of the nature of his bias, to the extent that he just heard 'wont do' for the first time .... i mean yeesh

autogucci cru (deej), Thursday, 18 June 2009 04:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

"alex did you just

i mean why even

it's pipecock for the sake of

nevermind"

I know, I know. I feel dirty now.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 18 June 2009 04:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Deej I think the whole "hearing Dilla in a record store" anecdote is set a few years back actually.

You're probably right otherwise though.

I like how he admits (if shamefacedly) to ultimately being won over by Common's performance on "The Light" after having dismissed Common out of hand for so long. Generally, I think people read a lot of condescension in his writing when often he's having a go at himself a bit. Like, I think he likes the convenience of crate-digging record stores that don't require you actually to bend down and rifle through old crates. And he knows, I think, that it's not somehow more "defensible" to go there for 60s/70s rock or avant garde stuff.

I always feel self-conscious going to the local dance record store in my suit on lunch breaks to rifle through records. Often without fully realising it I make snap value judgments about the people I see there (usually some combination of their clothes + their hair + the top record in the pile they're sampling), then remind myself that I probably look far more ridiculous.

Tim F, Thursday, 18 June 2009 05:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

"That night, after several hours of the choicest cuts, the dancefloor was packed, many new faces were there, evidence that Pipecock’s crusade rolled on, gathering more and more momentum with every passing day. Evidence that all those years spent relentlessly pursuing retards on messageboards were paying off. "

this thread has been huge fun

sam500, Thursday, 18 June 2009 05:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

The only ones that are hanging in there, even prospering, belong to a particular type: boutiques that offer a tidied-up version of the crate-digging experience, without the dust and the graft, the knees-bent flicking through musty cardboard boxes in roach-infested basements.

this isnt much different from things that guys like premier or large professor have said over the years, tbf.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 18 June 2009 08:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

"jay stay paid" just isn't very good, is it?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 20:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

only song I felt to be worthy of downloading after listening to the clips was 24K w/Havoc and Raekwon, and even that is just ok.

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 20:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

i can't believe patrin gave it 8.1

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 20:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

he gave mos def an 8.0

im trying to start my own cult of quik

zzz (deej), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 20:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

"The only ones that are hanging in there, even prospering, belong to a particular type: boutiques that offer a tidied-up version of the crate-digging experience, without the dust and the graft, the knees-bent flicking through musty cardboard boxes in roach-infested basements."

these people must not go to Pittsburgh.

pipecock, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jay Stay Paid is awesome and totally worthy of an 8.0

king of ^ flowers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 22:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Mos Def not so much.

king of ^ flowers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 22:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

For me, I don't care for the majority of his own work, but I like most of the stuff he influenced.

― Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, March 16, 2009 4:55 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark

as someone who's been pretty unimpressed with underground rap for most of the past decade, i'm starting to feel that a serious potential source of light on the horizon lies in the dilla aping realm. it goes deeper than flying lotus or black milk, and i'm not even talking shameless dilla jacking per se, but just that sense of making weird beats with loads of atmosphere and an offbeat lurch, and that sense of experimentation away from cleaner sounding drums or samples.

anyways, i'm anticipating a lot of people not liking this but it's a trend i'm v interested in at the moment but know way too little about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFRsJOWRSYE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N63b2Tk-A&feature=related
(this one's actually a flying lotus production)

samosa gibreel, Thursday, 4 March 2010 23:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

actually, start here, and then go here
The Sa Ra Creative Partners Thread, finally...

jaxon, Friday, 5 March 2010 02:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

*there*

jaxon, Friday, 5 March 2010 02:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

Cult is dud, Jay D is pretty classic (though a bit of a mixed bag). This is one of those things that I'm grateful that my brother was super into backpack shit in SE Michigan, so he knew Jay D (mostly through the Subterraneous crew and Slum Village folks), and I got to meet him a couple of times. He was a pretty chill guy, but "Dilla Changed My Life"? Not so much.

'Bout time to change the display name to something clever (I eat cannibals), Friday, 5 March 2010 02:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

ya i've read and loved the pretentious rn'b thread, but i think this is something at least slightly different; i'm really thinking hip hop and slow head-nod instrumental hip hop. i read a rap review a while ago where the writer said something to the extent of "the production is refreshing in an era where every undie rap producer just recycles old dilla beats" and i thought 'hey i wouldn't mind it if everyone sounded like that.' thing is i just haven't heard enough it, and so far am not convinced that so much of it exists.

samosa gibreel, Friday, 5 March 2010 03:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok yes sa-ra is exactly what i was talking about, thank you.

samosa gibreel, Friday, 5 March 2010 03:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZZZ_SG-boE

PappaWheelie V, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 05:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

that was pretty great

jaxon, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 06:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Dilla's Donuts began simply enough, in summer 2005, as an idea to turn a particularly good demo beat tape into a full-length release. We think we can safely say it has since became a classic hip-hop album, one of the defining works of the artist's life. This box set includes the album on seven 45s and a bonus 45 with "Signs" from the long out-of-print Donuts 'Fan Club 45' b/w DOOM & Ghostface's "Sniper Elite & Murder Goons" - two tracks over Donuts beats which were recorded in late 2005 prior to the original release of the album. These two tracks were released digitally in 2008, but have never before appeared on vinyl. Side D contains the "Donuts Outro/Intro" appearing as an interlude at the beginning of "The Diff'rence" which dates back to the first, original sequence of the album.

groan

the late great, Monday, 14 January 2013 18:43 (six years ago) Permalink

I love Donuts, classic chillwave

brimstead, Monday, 14 January 2013 19:15 (six years ago) Permalink

classic

the late great, Monday, 14 January 2013 19:35 (six years ago) Permalink

This box set includes the album on seven 45s

why do they do this? who buys these?

flopson, Monday, 14 January 2013 19:49 (six years ago) Permalink

soulstrut is tumbleweeds right now b/c the entire board is running to the record store

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 14 January 2013 19:50 (six years ago) Permalink

i dont know but apparently already sold out pretty much everywhere already, though i suppose at $40 it works out to only $5/disc so i guess not total robbery

the late great, Monday, 14 January 2013 19:51 (six years ago) Permalink

I was just going to do a donuts poll yesterday

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 January 2013 20:11 (six years ago) Permalink

the cult is 'annoying' but more annoying is being broke, having ants in my kitchen & not getting a call back from a chick i like

sometimes ppl around here are way too subculturally butthurt
wahhh nerds are corny

― ridin down the yellow brick road in the yellow 6-4 (deej), Monday, March 16, 2009 5:17 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 January 2013 20:17 (six years ago) Permalink

all of those problems have been solved but the dilla cult still exists

mea culpa

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 14 January 2013 20:20 (six years ago) Permalink

this really is an amazing time capsule thread, can't believe velko posted in it

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 January 2013 20:25 (six years ago) Permalink

tbh madlib changed my life

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 January 2013 20:30 (six years ago) Permalink

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 @jrocc that beat isn't from a 1 thru 5 batch, it's from "another batch" 1998.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats @jrocc I don't really give a shit to honest.

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 @jrocc to each his own.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats No it's not to each his own. That's the problem. There are facts to this and dudes be freestyling like they know what it is.

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 i know, that's my point. I'm a stickler for facts and details.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats What facts? Did you get a beat tape from Dilla?

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 are you confusing me with someone you don't know?

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 and why attack me for correcting an obvious mistake? who doesn't know that's 98?

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
More and more annoyed by you so called "Dilla Heads" You really don't have a fuckin clue which I did B47 Breaks in the 1st place.

Andy K, Monday, 14 January 2013 20:40 (six years ago) Permalink

ha awesome

The Reverend, Monday, 14 January 2013 21:14 (six years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

wow this thread all over the place

anyways would have been 45 today rip beat maker

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 16:47 (two months ago) Permalink


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