Everything But The Girl Album Poll

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Not much discussion 'round these parts. I used the British album titles.

My pick remains Walking Wounded.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
1984 Eden 8
1996 Walking Wounded 4
1999 Temperamental 4
1994 Amplified Heart 3
1985 Love Not Money 1
1988 Idlewild 0
1990 The Language of Life 0
1986 Baby The Stars Shine Tonight 0
1992 Acoustic 0
1991 Worldwide 0


The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 March 2009 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

i picked love not money. because it is my favorite everything but the girl album. plus, it's the only everything but the girl album that i know all the words to. which means there are REALLY scary singalong sessions at my house. unless you find the idea of a probably drunk 6 foot tall 220 pound dirtbag from the woods of connecticut singing along to everything but the girl alone and at the top of his lungs somehow endearing.

after that though: (cheating cuz i would pick thorn cherry red ep next) then eden and then baby the stars shine tonight and then idlewild and then the acoustic thing.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 March 2009 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

There ain't a damn thing here better than the first album. Never will be ever.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Saturday, 7 March 2009 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

A lot of nice things to say about the new style on "Walking Wounded", but "Eden" is too great not to vote for. They never really managed to follow it up though, so a change in style may have been a wise move anyway.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 7 March 2009 19:35 (twelve years ago) link

I've never heard Eden! I guess I should.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 March 2009 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

It occurs to me Eden has a sortof Smiths-ish sound to it. I always had the U.S. version though where they swapped a few tracks with the UK version, which in hindsight is really irritating.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Saturday, 7 March 2009 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

walking wounded or temperamental, innit?

djh, Saturday, 7 March 2009 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

It occurs to me Eden has a sortof Smiths-ish sound to it.

To me, it sounds much like early Aztec Camera, only with a slight jazz element added.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 7 March 2009 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

Eden, easily. There were so many good British jazz/pop records in 83/84 (Carmel, early Style Council, etc.) before 80s-style production and synths took over. I listened to Eden and Idlewild back-to-back not too long ago, and the later was painful in its production (except for the fantastic "Apron Strings" at the ened).

Eazy, Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

I'm very fond of Idlewild despite the production and the nice-but-not-my-thing Danny Whitten cover. Someone on the other EBTG thread rightly complimented Tracy Thorn for writing lyrics to and for other women -- these small but emphatic gestures of solidarity. "Blue Moon Rose" is in that category. And "Oxford Street" is just lovely.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

I did like Walking Wounded when it came out, but just got bored of it quickly or something. It was indeed a nice new direction for them.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, I say that, but what really happened was Walking Wounded was the first one I bought of them since Baby The Stars Shine Bright (not sure why it's mistitled in this poll). I heard someone rep for Amplified Heart some years ago, though. God I'd love to hear some of Baby The Stars Shine Bright again. "Don't Leave Me Behind"!!! WOW I forgot about this stuff. I need to hear "Kid" again, too. Shit I've got my work cut out for me.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

Amplified Heart has sharp songs.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

Oh! Also I ended up reading that Ben Watt book because some friend I had a couple years ago happened to lend it to me. I wasn't really jonesing to read it, but it was a very cool book, I was surprised.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

What do you mean by sharp songs?

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

I am voting for Amplified Heart, though it and Walking Wounded are the only ones I know. I joined the bandwagon with "Missing" (and "Protection"). "25th December" is terrific; Richard Thompson's guitar puts chills up my spine. And "We Walk the Same Line" is excellent too.

Euler, Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

Also I didn't mean to discount the jazzy nature of Eden when I said the album was "Smithsian". But I'm a sucker for early Style Council & Sade, so... Hell, I really wish there had been MORE of that kind of stuff going on back then.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Saturday, 7 March 2009 21:44 (twelve years ago) link

amplified heart is close to perfect, from the songs and mood right down to each production element.

w/ sax (electricsound), Sunday, 8 March 2009 00:02 (twelve years ago) link

"Amplified Heart" is also up there. That is, for me "Eden" is in a league of its own, but the last three were all rather strong.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 8 March 2009 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

I have yet to hear #s 2 and 3 though. I would guess they might be good stuff when I love the debut.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 8 March 2009 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

There's one album kind of missing here, the self-titled U.S. release, with half the same songs as Eden and half different ones:
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/100/100702.jpg

Eazy, Sunday, 8 March 2009 01:57 (twelve years ago) link

I know damnit! Don't I know it! ARRRRGH I pulled it out on LP today but still haven't downloaded the damn Eden original UK LP yet. I used to have it on cassette but never could seem to warm to the tracks on that that were missing from the U.S. release. Also I think it's worth noting that I had this U.S. version on both cassette and LP. In fact, I think I've owned the LP twice now. Just incase anyone were handing out bonus points for stuff like that.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Sunday, 8 March 2009 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

"I have yet to hear #s 2 and 3 though. I would guess they might be good stuff when I love the debut."

wait, you've never heard love not money?????? one of the greatest albums of the 80's, geir!

scott seward, Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:22 (twelve years ago) link

That's right, Scott! "This Love Not For Sale"! I haven't heard this in fucking EONS. Thanks ILM!!!!!!

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:26 (twelve years ago) link

I bet that song would put goose pimples on Paul Weller's flesh with jealousy.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:28 (twelve years ago) link

I voted "Eden," which is slightly different from the S/T american debut. 'easy as sin' on the american version is my favorite song of theirs. love the first two albums in general.

nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 8 March 2009 04:09 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 19 March 2009 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Yay Eden! I didn't know this poll was gonna end tonight, but ended up playing Eden on the bus today anyway. I was trying to come to a conclusion about the songs that got left off the US version and vice versa, and I still think the US version does a magnificent job of culling the most memorable tracks on the UK version, aside from "I Must Confess" & "Bittersweet". My only complaint with the US version is the tacking on "Native Land" & "Riverbed Dry" at the end. Not only are they of a lesser quality than the rest of the songs, but they have a different sound to them and feel incongruous on there. And hell, I didn't realize the lovely "Easy As Sin" didn't make it on the UK version, that's terrible! So basically you have to have both of the damn things or make sure you've downloaded all the tracks!

I Harbour Multitudes (Bimble), Thursday, 19 March 2009 03:27 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Temperamental -- mmmm

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 01:45 (eleven years ago) link

eight years pass...

would have voted 1984 s/t or Love Not Money.
favorite song: Easy As Sin

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 30 November 2018 12:19 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

boy, is Worldwide good! It's gotten flak for its 1991-era production, but the melodies are gorgeous, the songs fully written, and Watt has never sung better on record.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 13:18 (one year ago) link

1988 Idlewild 0

:|

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:08 (one year ago) link

i turn to walking wounded often, also a GOAT album cover

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:09 (one year ago) link

Br@d, you'd like Worldwide if you love Idlewild: it's a Technicolor representation of that acoustic sound.

EBTG mean so much to me that should anything happen to Thorn or Watt I'd mourn them like I would Madonna or Ferry.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:13 (one year ago) link

yeah i was gonna say my love of idlewild probably proved that i'm here for ebtg records that've gotten flak for their production, i'll check out worldwide soon

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:15 (one year ago) link

I think we now need a poll for Tracey Thorn’s THREE volumes of memoirs. She’s rivaling Peter Hook at this point

beamish13, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:45 (one year ago) link

The first one is SO sharp.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:46 (one year ago) link

i love ebtg, but worldwide is a stinker.

i would've voted idlewild.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:47 (one year ago) link

worldwide is great. "old friends" is so good

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:28 (one year ago) link

The lack of love for Idlewild is indeed disgraceful, so:

Everything But the Girl - Idlewild (1988)

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:32 (one year ago) link

i love ebtg, but worldwide is a stinker.

i would've voted idlewild.

― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, August 18, 2020 11:47 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

worldwide is great. "old friends" is so good

― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, August 18, 2020

Heh. I was wrong:

Everything But The Girl Album Poll

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:37 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

1990 The Language of Life 0

:|

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 15 November 2021 15:00 (two weeks ago) link

I've had "Frozen River" stuck in my head since August 2020.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 November 2021 15:01 (two weeks ago) link

can we talk about the language of life though???? perfectly recorded sophistipop

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 15:02 (two weeks ago) link

"Driving" and its remixes are fabulous. "The Road," "My Baby Don't Love Me," "Get Back Together" (that solo!), and "Imagining America" too. It's got some dull things that remind me of the Najee and Hiroshima-esque stuff my dad foisted on me in the car.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 15:05 (two weeks ago) link

lol i was just about to bring up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzY01LLo3lo

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 15:06 (two weeks ago) link

i think this is my favorite EBTG album so far but in another way they're all my favorite. this just kinda nails how crisp and sharp the city looks after you walk out of a smoke-filled lounge at night

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

ha -- that's what I imagine with Temperamental but with a slight nip in the air

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 15:26 (two weeks ago) link

Have you read Thorn's memoir? She sounds bemused years later by the cost of the studio musicians and being slotted into New Adult Contemporary, despite the affection deejays had for "Driving."

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 15:28 (two weeks ago) link

i haven't yet, her books have been on my list for ages

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

omg worldwide

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:07 (two weeks ago) link

"old friends" is like minimalist adult-contemporary, remarkable

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:09 (two weeks ago) link

wait till ya get to "Talk to Me Like the Sea."

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:11 (two weeks ago) link

alfred you already know this is my highest compliment, but wow worldwide is like ebtg's heart in motion

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:15 (two weeks ago) link

get to "Frozen River" first

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:43 (two weeks ago) link

i have! it’s so gorgeous

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

A song that sounds like the album sleeve.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:48 (two weeks ago) link

I'm very fond of Idlewild despite the production and the nice-but-not-my-thing Danny Whitten cover. Someone on the other EBTG thread rightly complimented Tracy Thorn for writing lyrics to and for other women -- these small but emphatic gestures of solidarity. "Blue Moon Rose" is in that category. And "Oxford Street" is just lovely.

― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, March 7, 2009 This makes me think of my Top Ten pick Record, which unselfconsciously takes as a given the need to think out loud, to confide, in a way not too navelgazey, self-absorbed (some singer-songwriters cam make me wonder, "Whatta they need me for?"
Will have to check her books, also ETBTG albums, having only heard a few singles, back in the day.

dow, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 17:20 (two weeks ago) link

worldwide and language of life are missteps by this band and anyone else who made records like it.

for that sort of big budget overproduced and "schlocky to the point of detriment" thing by this school of bands, aztec camera's dreamland is far superior and still a complete disappointment of an album.

nothing but respect for ben and tracey —i would rate them as an alltime favorite— but ebtg's catalogue began with an immediate slew of highlights, hit a deep and cheesy valley of disappointment, and then careened ever so consistently back up to the heights of their early records (with a completely different vibe, obvs).

i will never be convinced otherwise and i am suspicious of anyone who tries to push a different narrative.

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 19:42 (two weeks ago) link

I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you. Keep your suspicions high and your stubbornness reaching for the stars.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 19:44 (two weeks ago) link

btw the albums before TLOF are as uneven, i.e. three or four tuneful or attractively sung non-entities per album

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 19:45 (two weeks ago) link

be suspicious of me i don't give a shit. the songcraft fucking sings

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 20:03 (two weeks ago) link

Plus, what makes those albums' arrangements "schlock" and the 1984-1988 stuff okay?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 20:04 (two weeks ago) link

nothing but respect for ben and tracey —i would rate them as an alltime favorite—

― the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:42 AM

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 20:19 (two weeks ago) link

yeah i know, you're disrespecting us instead lol

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 20:26 (two weeks ago) link

i also do not understand singling out language of life which sounds to my ears like a refinement of idlewild

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 20:27 (two weeks ago) link

mid period EBTG is my favorite too! it has a nice sort of end-of-history post coldwar anomie that suits the band. 'idlewild' is the best. some clunkers on 'language' and 'worldwide' admittedly

in any event 'tears all over town', 'old friends', 'talk to me ...', 'driving' all slap

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 18 November 2021 03:52 (two weeks ago) link

hold up, wait a minute, "take me" is a womack & womack song????

the language of life is the best album ever

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 November 2021 13:28 (two weeks ago) link

no disrespect intended. i can be suspicious of someone and still respect what they have to say.

it's just puzzling because idlewild sounds like an actual record that was made by people who cared about what it sounded like, while everything that followed (until amplified heart) sounds like the coked out producer making sure all of his best bud sessions players (who are all amazing musicians, btw) get in on the action. the term "overproduced" was created for that kind of music. it's nightmarish vaporwave twenty years before the fact. deeply unsettling and creepily contrived music.

to bring aztec camera back into the discussion, i feel the same way about his post-knife albums (he also worked briefly with tommy lipuma, who was heavily involved on the language of life). it's very forced music and i just don't buy it.

(despite my militant stance here, i do like songs from this period and i will concede that "driving" is easily one of their best songs and a mini-masterpiece, of sorts. i have to apologize; i have been experiencing more frequent dissociative episodes and sometimes i say things a little more aggressively than the situation calls for while in those moments. sorry if i upset anyone. certainly not my intent. ebtg rules. aztec camera rules. tommy lipuma doesn't, but that's okay too. anyway.)

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Thursday, 18 November 2021 18:25 (two weeks ago) link

I happen to love the Dreamland album by Aztec Camera. It's probably my favorite AC album. It's definitely polished and schmaltzy, but i like it.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:37 (two weeks ago) link

it's just puzzling because idlewild sounds like an actual record that was made by people who cared about what it sounded like, while everything that followed (until amplified heart) sounds like the coked out producer making sure all of his best bud sessions players (who are all amazing musicians, btw) get in on the action

Austin, I like you, but, with respect, this is the review I'd read in AllMusic guides in the late '90s by kids flummoxed by the idea of studio rock production. What makes you think Thorn-Watt weren't in charge and didn't get what they wanted?

I own Aztec Camera's Love, also produced by the fabulously named Tommy LiPuma: same sound, different chords and sounds.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:39 (two weeks ago) link

Ok

I missed this but would have voted for Amplified Heart

Because I am basic

Sry

popcornoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:46 (two weeks ago) link

amplified heart is an amazing album

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:49 (two weeks ago) link

still sounds like no other '90s album: a John Martyn or Richard Thompson album with bossa nova influences but with space.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:53 (two weeks ago) link

I finally spent time (in a romantic situation, too) with Amplified Heart, after only hearing “Missing” and “Single” all too much in coffee shops and clothing stores for many years. Definitely exceeded my expectations of a superfan of their earliest albums. Had Acoustic on cassette and liked that a lot as well, am ready to try out the other mid-period ones again now that they have some age on them.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:17 (two weeks ago) link

Troubled Mind is a banger imo

popcornoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:36 (two weeks ago) link

That's the one I had in mind.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:38 (two weeks ago) link

The Language of Life also works well with Julia Fordham's Porcelain, out around the same time.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 18 November 2021 21:50 (two weeks ago) link

amplified heart is an amazing album

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, November 18, 2021 11:49 AM

one thing we can all agree on. i often think of it as their best.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Sunday, 21 November 2021 03:48 (one week ago) link

still sounds like no other '90s album: a John Martyn or Richard Thompson album with bossa nova influences but with space.

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:53 (three days ago) link

Not to take away from your point, but Stina Nordenstam’s ‘And She Closed Her Eyes’ wants a word.

Tim F, Sunday, 21 November 2021 12:24 (one week ago) link

This thread led me to discover deluxe editions of most EBTG albums on Spotify. Love hearing the home demos of the Eden tracks after knowing the album versions by heart, just starting to get into the demos and remixes on the mid/later albums.

... (Eazy), Monday, 22 November 2021 20:54 (one week ago) link

when all’s well
my love is like cathedral bells

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 22 November 2021 21:32 (one week ago) link

impossible to rank their albums bc they’re all so good

the language of life
temperamental
amplified heart
walking wounded
idlewild
love not money
baby the stars shine bright
eden

sorry 2 eden-heads

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 22 November 2021 21:41 (one week ago) link

worldwide is between idlewild and love not money

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 22 November 2021 21:43 (one week ago) link

Austin, I like you, but, with respect, this is the review I'd read in AllMusic guides in the late '90s by kids flummoxed by the idea of studio rock production. What makes you think Thorn-Watt weren't in charge and didn't get what they wanted?

I own Aztec Camera's Love, also produced by the fabulously named Tommy LiPuma: same sound, different chords and sounds.

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 18, 2021 11:39 AM

thanks, i like you too.

but i do hear it as:

deeply unsettling and creepily contrived music.

it's overproduced. the underwhelming calibre of the songs doesn't match the uber glossy production. by being too cohesive, it ends up not being cohesive at all. it sounds unnatural and OFF. if such a thing as "so bad it's good" exists, then surely the inverse can also apply.

i also own and know love (the aztec camera album, not the human emotion) quite well — because for some reason i kept listening to these kinds of albums, looking for something that's obviously not there. always feel like watching american psycho afterwords.

("killermont street" and "somewhere in my heart" admittedly still decent though.)

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 13:42 (one week ago) link

the language of life
temperamental
amplified heart
walking wounded
idlewild
love not money
baby the stars shine bright
eden

sorry 2 eden-heads

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson)

The last four correctly placed.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 13:49 (one week ago) link

no worldwide on that list huh?

i'll just assume it's not there because it's so forgettable.

=)

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 13:53 (one week ago) link

Walking Wounded
Amplified Heart
Temperamental
Worldwide
Idlewild
The Language of Life
Baby The Stars...
Love Not Money
Eden

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 14:17 (one week ago) link

i wont countenance the idlewild disrespect. easily top 3 for me, so many hooks. although you can destroy 'caruso'

for me the highlights of the mid-period -- 'driving', 'old friends', 'talk to me like the sea', 'tears all over town' -- meld the sort of anesthetized blank sheen criticized by austin with a deeply felt humanity. the combo is very evocative of the brief, forgotten cultural moment between 80s cold war jitters and 90s techno-paranoia and its very much my thing ...

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 15:42 (one week ago) link

i just think it's awesome —and definitely agree with brad's sentiment that they have so many absolutely great albums— that i legitimately can't stand some of their material, but i also can't imagine not ever loving other material.

like i can't narrow it down and pick my a #1 album for them. it's just too difficult.

(candidates would be eden, amplified heart, idlewild, and tempramental)

what about the pre-ebtg "solo" material? any love for that stuff?

(i happen to prefer north marine drive and a distant shore over at least —**ahem**— a few ebtg albums. they're very sparse and nice coffee shop jangle.)

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 16:33 (one week ago) link

A Distant Shore, Love and Its Opposite, and Record rule.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 16:34 (one week ago) link

agreed. in terms of non-band recordings, i prefer tracey's output. ben's more recent albums have been okay, but very mor middle aged rock. some good songs scattered throughout for sure.

i used to play a cover of "small town girl." it's one of the first songs i learned on guitar.

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 16:41 (one week ago) link

uptown churl otm about the way the production works with the songcraft in the mid-period. such tremendous longing expressed with expert finesse, emotions blushing through frosted glass + unimpeachable michael brecker sax solos. and, like, again, the songs are so good, they don’t get bad just bc they shine like linoleum

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 19:11 (one week ago) link

i find that people think there is a line that jazz-pop or sophistipop crossed where it becomes as unbearably cheesy as smooth jazz or whatever but ime this line is so subjective as to be practically imaginary. give me that hiroshima sound where each instrument sounds like a raindrop reflected in glass, i love it, it’s beautiful

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 19:28 (one week ago) link

What I love about Worldwide is how it sounds like demos for an album that might become The Language of Life.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:53 (one week ago) link

what i like about worldwide is how it's sometimes forgotten.

=)

(okay, i'll stop now.)

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:53 (one week ago) link

Revisiting Eden this week, having learned this songs by heart from their self-titled US album at age 16 or so, it struck me for the first time how most of these songs are about emotional and/or physical abuse. The albums after this one have the freedom of someone who has left those situations to make their own life.

As far as early albums, would also add the two Marine Girls albums, especially Tracey's songs ("Tonight?" and others).

Been hanging out this week with the deluxe editions of Amplified Heart and Walking Wounded thanks to this thread. Had previously gotten off the bus after Idlewild and will give the mid-period albums a shot soon.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 25 November 2021 19:04 (one week ago) link

Also revisiting these albums due to the thread. Had forgotten how much I liked You Lift Me Up, and Get Back Together has been stuck in my head all week. Would like to review all their albums to see if The Language of Life's back and forth interplay is the same over the catalog. Seems very pronounced, and a joy. I'd remembered their catalog being one or the other taking lead vocals.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 26 November 2021 01:29 (six days ago) link


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