Mike Patton - C or D?

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Solo, FNM, Tomahawk, Mr Bungle, and the Fantomas. Not too fond of his solo crapola, but i harbor a secret love for all things Faith No More and Mr Bungle. Haven't heard enough Fantomas and Tomahawk to form any opinions.

Chris, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Solo stuff always seemed a bit masturbatory -- literally and figuratively. Mr.Bungle's first album is sheer genius, although they lost the plot for me later on. Faith No More's work with him still stands up. Not too familiar with his Fantomas work, but the Tomahawk disc is mighty.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dud.

He's managed to sully even the best project he's ever been involved with ("Sax Lessons" on Amarillo Records' Great Phone Calls).

http://gygax.pitas.com, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

When zorn's pulling the strings its okay. But of course, when all's said and done: Duddoh.

nathalie, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

patton seemed like a very good idea at one time, but i think actual stadium funk-metal killing off his parodic stadium funk- metal (which helped to kill off the pigfuckers as dave q noted on another thread) drove him over the edge in the bad way.

jess, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

A friend had a bootlegged Mr. Bungle concert vid on at his place in 1994 and it may still be the most disturbing piece of concert footage I've ever seen.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I can vouch for the disturbing Bungle concerts, as I me and my aching back had to sit through badly rigged sound and strange feedback in '95. Also, Melt Banana opened, and raised the bar unassailably high.

dleone, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well, i am a hata on new funk-metal -- and really, all of *that* is the fault of mike muir anyway -- but i think mike patton is utterly classic. 'california' is a masterpiece, the tomahawk record is noir- rock at its finest, and oh, his range!

(and really isn't it kinda neat that fantomas opened, and tomahawk is now opening for tool?)

maura, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Saw Mr. Bungle a few years ago and they are a weird bunch. Patton was wearing a sailors outfit and opened the show with "What the world needs now is love...sweet love."

Also saw FNM in 94 I think at a small club in Boston and saw one Mr. Patton popping a squat in the corner of the club into a paperbag. I read somewhere that apparently its some sort of ritual.

Chris, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i agree with maura - 'california' is grate

geeta, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i think what soured me on mr. bungle was (like naked city, etc.) i'm not too fond of crazee 900mph cutup rockjazzmetalspizzspoo (i dont have this problem with early boredoms oddly enuff)...but also friends waaaaaaay too into wilfull wackiness (this stuff can be two steps away from they might be giants territory...and don't even try to deny that one because i have had to listen to both enough to know) and prog. (which could explain my prog hate, too.)

jess, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(i don't mean to suggest that willful wackiness and prog are mutually exclusive, however.)

jess, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(nb: angel dust favorite record of 9th grade. still like it quite a bit.)

jess, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

and prog

Haha, I agree. Actually, a long time ago I tried to get more love for Mr. Bungle and Naked City on prog webboards and review sites, but nobody ever listened to me. Some of the avant-prog fans liked it, but in general it didn't fly. I just know they'll come around one day...

dleone, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

beyond classic. a musician's musician. his demos for the new 'peeping tom' project blow my mind. his on stage antics with dave lombardo top anything slayer ever did.

chaki, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

jess have you even heard 'california'??? its alot more restrained with an emphesis on song structure rather than radical tempo changes or in your face metal. its really beautiful.

chaki, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Genius.... much too intelligent and interesting to merit a discussion on this message board.

maria, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"his demos for the new 'peeping tom' project blow my mind."

if you're referring to the Peeping Tom demos which were floating around Napster etc a while back the truth is they have nothing to do with the embryonic Peeping Tom project, but are actually old discarded demo tracks that Patton worked on with an unnamed producer some time ago but aborted before completion.

I interviewed the man last year and he told me that Peeping Tom had yet to record a note of music. obviously that may have changed somewhat by now, but the original demos purporting to be Peeping Tom were a hoax, although quite obviously the work of Patton (note the similarities to FNM and the more accessible moments of Bungle).

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Certainly a classic. I've enjoyed almost everything Patton-era Faith No More put out, and I adore California (and a few tidbits from the other albums).

Vinnie, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Absolutely horrendous for innumerable reasons. The only guy on earth who could take a superb idea like recording an album with a bunch of Downs syndrome kids and come out with the most pompous piece of witless rubbish since the Chili Peppers last sat down for a group discussion.

Baffles me why all the pseudo-hipster kids laud him so, must be the Vincent Gallo effect.

ian, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

nah its because his music sounds really neat to my ears and his concerts are fun. its not really a hipster thing at all. in fact i think its a geek thing.

chaki, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You'll forgive him anything when you hear that FantomasMelvins Big Band thing that's just out. You'll have his babies.

marinecreature, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Another thing - I hate his fucking annoying face. Like Fred Durst he seems to be constantly pulling a 'look how I'm stretching the boundaries of your mind by doing this ludicrously scornful facial grimace' expression in all photos of him. I ask one of you kind souls to give an example below (I dunno html and I don't want to waste valuable minutes of my life looking at his chubby, ironically facial haired mush).

But hey, I'm not one to jump to rash conclusions..... so I'll check out some of his songs. Could someone recommend three tracks that will change my opinion about him? And please, make them nothing like the bad whiteboy funk metal (a la RHCP) or puerile gibberish (a la Green Jelly) songs I recall hearing in the past.

ian, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Retrovertigo - Mr Bungle, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - Fantomas, Stripsearch - Faith no more.
heres a pic of him with some fan.
http://www.fredonia.edu/students/mora7328/patton.jpg

chaki, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I try not to associate someone's face with their music whenever I can, helps to avoid the whole cult of personality thing. Besides, it's not like Patton's throwing his face at you all the time - I'm not sure, looking back, if the Mr Bungle records even had a picture of dude. Anyway, 3 tracks? OK, Lovage- "Anger Management", Kid 606 & Mike Patton - "Secrets for sale", Mr Bungle - "Vanity Fair". All tre- mendous songs. I agree with not digging histrionics, but his usually seem to be in the service of the "song", plus he can really sing, like hit real notes unaffected when he wants to, so rare in modern hard rock.

Matt Riedl (veal), Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
I tend to see Mike Patton as an idiot representing a has-been part of society that I associate with 4 great years of my high school adolescence. But, this proves to me yet again not to care what people think because someone is always going to think you're stupid. My opinion of Mike Patton probably wasn't even really my own, but more of a zeitgeist perception that these types of bands and his type of shtick was embarrassing and over, thrown out with the grunge babies in the bong water. Onto better things! But what? I traded in hard-edge absurdity for all that touchy-feely indie rock, lo-fi and obscure oddness that I can now look back on and happily tell myself it all sucked. Happily, except that I still own a bunch of that shit on CD.

Maybe I was too drug-addled when Mr. Bungle's first album came out, but I finally listened to it today and appreciated it for the first time. For me, it blows Butthole Surfers, Ween and Boredoms out of the water.

It's like I'm destined to never like anything that I can share with anyone. Always discovering bands too early or too late or, as in the case with Phish and the Dead, just as completely out of touch with the general fanbase as everyone else seems to be.

I'm going to vote classic. Even though he's acts like a dork, farts in microphones on stage and probably tries too hard (or is it just natural?), he really seems to be the brains behind his interesting projects.

Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Monday, 30 May 2005 22:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic.

cdwill, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 01:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Could someone recommend three tracks that will change my opinion about him?

listen to California.

latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 01:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

latebloomer OTM.

I've always loved Patton musically, but even if you can't stand the guy, anyone into noisy music and oddness can't help but find his labels artist roster pleasing:

http://www.ipecac.com/artists.php

So, even if you don't like listening to the guy, it's hard to argue against how he's spending his money...

John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 01:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

I don't think there's another thread on this: he's got a new album out...Mondo Cane... thoughts?

Trying not to sound like a total n00b but aside from Dino's 'Volare' I've not been exposed to much Italian music at all, let alone the 60's pop stuff like this. I have to say I am LOVING it. OMG Senza Fine, and Scalinatella! Wow. Beautiful, moving...and I love Patton's voice on these, the covers here feel sincere and respectful, and I wanna hear more more more. I have been a googling fool since I got the album, finding out who all the original singers were...a whole new world of coolness!

VegemiteGrrrl, Thursday, 6 May 2010 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

xposted from the worst music writing thread:

Bill Chenevert of Philadelphia Weekly, you are fucking awful. Reproduced below is his capsule review for Mike Patton's Mondo Cane:

Sounds Like: The Faith No More alum sure can use his voice box. Here he sings mostly in Spanish and with a touch of kitsch, but totally authentic.

Free Association: His Eureka, Calif. roots really show here, rocking a chulo vibe.

For Fans Of: Mexico, camp, horns, Zappa, Mr. Bungle.

Not bothering to listen to the album is one thing- you have constraints on your time, I understand- but for fuck's sake, if you're going to fake it at least read a goddamn press release first or something.

a black white asian pine ghost who is fake (Telephone thing), Monday, 10 May 2010 01:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can we perform some kind of citizen's arrest? Tragic.

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 10 May 2010 05:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Here he sings mostly in Spanish"

Thank you from 60 millions of Italians!

Pretty sure this album will be quite good, the tracklist is absolute killer (Il Cielo In Una Stanza was my mother's all time favourite song).

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've listened to some of the originals, and it seems like Patton has given them a pretty respectful treatment. He sings them in his own way, but the arrangements and everything are quite true to the style of the original songs. Who knows, maybe your mother will like it too..

VegemiteGrrrl, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Right from the golden era of Italian pop, Fred Buscaglione and his Damon Runyon fixation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSiGcGgOtZw

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 13 May 2010 09:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think this is a really unique project. i can't say if patton does the originals justice, but italian music is a blindspot for me, so the fact that he's making me want to seek out the originals is a victory in itself. and of course, patton's chulo vibe is unmistakable here :P

borntohula, Thursday, 13 May 2010 12:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Chulo-lololol!

Definite props to Patton if he can spark new interest in the original material. It's worked in me, for sure. Been reading up on some of the original artists. I have come to the conclusion that Italy is great. To wit: Gino Paoli attempted suicide by shooting himself in the chest, and the bullet's apparently still in there; Mina sang like nobodys business but was such a tearaway that she got banned by the Catholic church... then she shaved her eyebrows...her whole bio is generally pretty amazing; Luigi Tenco committed suicide in 67 (I think), but there were suspicions of murder...his body was exumed in 2006!!
See? Awesome music. Awesome bios. World needs more of this.

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 14 May 2010 02:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Talking about classic ways to go, Fred Buscaglione (the guy above) died in Portofino in a horrific car accident while driving, totally drunk, his pink Cadillac (Patton performs his "Che notte!").
And since we're there:

Mina "Il cielo in una stanza" (in later, 1969 version):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01uDmfoUjj4&feature=related

Marco Damiani, Friday, 14 May 2010 08:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

not sure what's going on in "urlo negro" lyrically, but i really like the vocal juxtapositions between the rollicking crazy verses and the more restrained, poppy chorus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWhXaODyZCA

it reminds me a lot of mr. bungle. here's a clip of patton doing it live just for good measure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTSq3A0470w

i was reading a review of the album on allmusic (http://bit.ly/97fls0) and was surprised to hear that the album was patched together from various recordings of mondo cane live... i had no idea. i knew the project first existed as a live entity, but i had no idea that those performances were being recorded, or that the final product is actually culled from multiple shows.

borntohula, Friday, 14 May 2010 13:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

"not sure what's going on in "urlo negro" lyrically"

Quick lyrical sample: "You know what you did to me?/ You know what you did to me?!/I will hate you until God won't take me with Him" and other assorted delicacies.

Marco Damiani, Friday, 14 May 2010 13:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

And isn't the Urlo Negro chorus something about 'pick your own damn coffee beans, I'm not a slave'....or something like that?

Apparently Patton plans to release more volumes, with other songs from the live performances. YAY.

This video of Mina doing Il Cielo Una Stanza is pretty awesome. Pre-eyebrow shaving...she seems kind of out of it, somehow...drunk, or stoned, or something?...something in the way she keeps closing her eyes. But damn, that VOICE. And she's pretty gorgeous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6s_kjlhP5U

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 14 May 2010 17:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
one year passes...

Oddfellows has grown into my favourite thing he's done for a decade or more. Smashing record.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 11:00 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AEOzqUO3jw

liking this more than anything off the last FNM album

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 12 May 2017 20:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's awesome

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Friday, 12 May 2017 20:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

New Dead Cross really good as well. Coming from a similar place to the last Tomahawk album imo, heavier of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpdcT8kyP1U

chap, Monday, 19 June 2017 15:51 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah, this is good stuff

Unchanging Window (Ross), Monday, 19 June 2017 19:32 (five months ago) Permalink


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