John Cale album poll

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if you're cool you'll vote for something other than paris 1919
but then you'd also be wrong
I dunno if it's worth it

Poll Results

Paris 1919 (Reprise) March 1973 21
Fear (Island) September 1974 13
Fragments of a Rainy Season (live) (Hannibal) October 1992 7
Vintage Violence (Columbia) December 1970 4
Slow Dazzle (Island) March 1975 3
Music For A New Society (Ze) August 1982 3
Animal Justice (EP) (Illegal IL 003, UK) September 1977 1
Honi Soit March 10, 1981 1
Caribbean Sunset (Ze) June 1983 1
Walking on Locusts (Hannibal) September 1996 1
Sabotage/Live (IRS) December 1979 1
HoboSapiens (EMI) October 2003 0
5 Tracks (EP) (EMI) May 2003 0
N'Oublie Pas Que Tu Vas Mourir (Crepuscule) 1994 0
23 Solo Pieces pour La Naissance de L'Amour (Crepuscule) November 1993 0
Even Cowgirls Get The Blues (live) (ROIR) 1991 0
Words for the Dying (Opal/Warner Bros.) October 1989 0
Artificial Intelligence (Beggars Banquet) September 1985 0
John Cale Comes Alive (Ze) September 1984 0
Helen of Troy (Island) November 1975 0
The Academy in Peril (Reprise) April 1972 0
blackAcetate (EMI) October 2005 0

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2009 03:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm cool+wrong btw

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2009 03:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

Voted for Slow Dazzle, for collecting the dangerous, pretty, and dangerously pretty better than anything else he recorded: "Ski Patrol," "Heartbreak Hotel," "Mr. Wilson," "Guts," "Taking It All Away." The tracklist is practically a greatest hits comp.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 March 2009 03:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

i gotta be uncool+right here sorry

۞_۞ (ciderpress), Monday, 2 March 2009 03:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fear, easy.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 2 March 2009 03:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, lame+right here. what a fucking album.

My carpal tunnel is too bad to go "all over." (Matt P), Monday, 2 March 2009 04:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

hobosapiens was good

My carpal tunnel is too bad to go "all over." (Matt P), Monday, 2 March 2009 04:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

slow dazzle is a really interesting album, not his best but what a bizarre mix of pastiche & menace. also, ski patrol is lol X infinity

velko, Monday, 2 March 2009 04:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

I voted Fragments because:

1. It was the album that took me from "I really like some John Cale songs and albums" to "I should probably search everything he's done"
2. More good versions + good songs than any other album - serves as a greatest hits better than any collection would
3. Definitive version of 'Dying on the Vine' - which is probably his single best song (though the studio version has a lot going for it too)
4. On that note, a lot of other songs that I had heard before and didn't really like - made a lot more sense after hearing the Fragments version.

So, more than just a live collection of good songs - for me at least it's a lens through which everything else makes sense.

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2009 05:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paris 1919 (Reprise) March 1973
Fear (Island) September 1974

Tough choice between these. "Hanky Panky Nohow" may give the former a slight edge (for me, at least).

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 March 2009 06:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Paris 1919" when I'm feeling up, "Music For A New Society" when I'm feeling down

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Monday, 2 March 2009 11:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Decided to ignore Fragments and view this as a studio albs poll-- Music For a New Society

President Keyes, Monday, 2 March 2009 15:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paris 1919 -- it simply has to be. One of my top ten albums of all time, so ... Lotta good choices here, though! Fragments is killer -- probably the best intro to Cale. The last half of that album is stunning.

tylerw, Monday, 2 March 2009 15:36 (nine years ago) Permalink


sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 15:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

Vintage Violence is pretty damn untouchable for me.

ilxor, Monday, 2 March 2009 15:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

Slow Dazzle for me

Joe, Monday, 2 March 2009 16:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

I hope Helen of Troy gets at least one vote, cause that's a damn good album

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2009 18:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's the only one of the classic sequence that feels unnecessarily histrionic.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 March 2009 18:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

iatee perfectly summed up why "Fragments" is so great ... I agree with all of that comment -- even #3 as long as I can swap out "Dying On the Vine" for "Style It Takes".

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 2 March 2009 19:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

it's not unnecessary! he has a straight-jacket album cover to live up to

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2009 20:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

they kind of undermined the straightjacket cover by taking off "Leaving It Up To You"

thunda lightning (clotpoll), Monday, 2 March 2009 22:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'd probably go with Fear, but maybe just because I can't not vote for the album with "Fear Is a Man's Best Friend." Paris 1919 might be more consistent, but shit, that song.

thunda lightning (clotpoll), Monday, 2 March 2009 22:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paris 1919 is to Transformer as Fear is to Blue Mask

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 05:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'd vote 'Church of Anthrax,' because I'm not a huge fan of singer-songwriter-mode Cale.

Soundslike, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 05:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

new option:
uncool + wrong

iatee, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 05:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Vintage Violence, appropriately enough, kills.

inhibitionist, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 06:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm uncool and vote Paris 1919

been a few years since i had my huge cale love story. maybe it's time for a second phase seeing there are still a few things here i haven't heard

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 11:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fragments, since it's like a best of + all great cover versions of his own songs in one.

StanM, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 15:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Sabotage is pretty cool. That spoken intro to "Mercenaries" is vicious. Also: Captain Hook.

thirdalternative, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 15:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

not to mention the great "Hedda Gabler", which is on the cd version of Sabotage!

nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 15:27 (nine years ago) Permalink


۞_۞ (ciderpress), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 15:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'll come back to this in a week once I've got through everything on Spotify.

tomofthenest, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 17:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hedda Gabler = 2nd greatest song of all time

but it can't count towards Sabotage in this poll
because I included Animal Justice

iatee, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 18:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 29 March 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink


I'm just now only getting into the meat of his career! Please give me a break! Wow. Oh shit. Woah.

Is It Goth Enough For You? (Bimble), Monday, 30 March 2009 00:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

There should never be polls at all.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

bimb you should just vote CS so it gets some respect

iatee, Monday, 30 March 2009 03:50 (nine years ago) Permalink


drone/a/sore, Monday, 30 March 2009 04:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 30 March 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

I would like to hear from this Walking on Locusts person

iatee, Monday, 30 March 2009 23:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

3 votes for "Music For A New Society"? You fools. I didn't vote for it, of course.

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 08:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

Only 3 votes for "Slow Dazzle" and for "Music for a New Society" ??? What's wrong with you people ???

Snowballing, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 09:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paris 1919 should not have won by that much

and none for Helen of Troy???

turtles all the way down (Face of Wolf), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 10:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

dunno, that poll looks about right to me. If I didn't vote for Paris, I probably would've voted for Vintage Violence or Music for a New Society. I like the Island trilogy a lot, but as albums, those are my faves. Didn't vote for Fragments because that is more like a greatest hits to me.

tylerw, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 14:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

I would kill for a decent recording of the Even Cowgirls Get the Blues period.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 19:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

has everyone heard the Ocean Club bootleg from 1976? Guest starring Lou Reed, David Byrne, Patti Smith, Chris Spedding, etc. Not as good as you want it to be, BUT PRETTY GOOD.

tylerw, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 19:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

I want that to be pretty good

iatee, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 23:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

I saw some video of that, I think.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 23:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

why hasn't someone reissued Honi Soit, Music For A New Society, Carribean Sunset, and Comes Alive? aside from there not as good as his other stuff.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 11 July 2009 23:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

?? MFaNS is one of his best records. Honi Soit is pretty great, too...

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 12 July 2009 00:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

yah so you'd think they would get a reissue instead of costing a crapload for used copies on amazon.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 12 July 2009 01:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

They're not as good (or even okay) as the other works!

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 July 2009 01:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

music for a new society is great, esp. if you're in the mood for some bleak stuff

J0rd D. (velko), Sunday, 12 July 2009 01:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

His "unplugged" versions of those songs are superior.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 July 2009 01:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

agreed but please never use the term "unplugged" again

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Sunday, 12 July 2009 01:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Pretty nifty double live set just released:

Way, way better than "Comes Alive", and rehabilitates some of the "Carribean Sunset" material nicely.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 31 October 2010 20:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Paris 1919 or Music for a New Society for me....never could choose between the two, both nigh on perfect!

yugi ex, Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

Having recently re-listened to both albums, I reckon MFANS is his true masterpiece, but I would always prefer to listen to Paris 1919.

yugi ex, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

He's 70 today!

(I unwittingly posted as such on the De Subjectivisten board; my browser was set to auto-translate Dutch and I didn't notice)

an elk hunt (Ówen P.), Friday, 9 March 2012 14:01 (six years ago) Permalink

Penblwydd Hapus!

willem, Friday, 9 March 2012 14:12 (six years ago) Permalink

well said, willem, well said
i'd put it just slightly differently, though:
john cale on kõigiti äge säga ja õnne sünnipäevaks ja kanget tervist talle!

t**t, Friday, 9 March 2012 14:23 (six years ago) Permalink

happppy birthday. one of the greatest.

tylerw, Friday, 9 March 2012 16:05 (six years ago) Permalink

interesting that it's also Ornette Coleman's birthday, and that the artwork for Ornette's Free Jazz album was Pollock's "White Light." Interesting to me anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 9 March 2012 17:15 (six years ago) Permalink

lol, Cale and Lou born in the same year and a week apart!

I seem to remember some wanky discussion panel item on Lou last week. This hasn't been as dubiously celebrated and it sucks!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 March 2012 11:56 (six years ago) Permalink

Sabotage is pretty underrated, methinks. Mercenaries is enormous. Listening to it a lot lately.

Everything You Like Sucks, Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:15 (six years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

When I could take you apart
And if you give me half a chance
I'd do it now, I'd do it now, right now, you fascist

this guy

giallo pudding pops (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 20:14 (six years ago) Permalink

It is cruel to choose. He is the only interesting lyricist of paranoia. Even when no guns or threat of foul play are involved, his paranoia is exquisite. Here is a lyrical sequence of non-violent paranoid bits from three consecutive records: "Nothing frightens me more than religion at my door," "You know more than I know," "They're taking it all away."

Vic Perry, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 03:10 (six years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Nice. I just joined twitter and I follow you. I commented on your twitter about Honi Soit and the great Hungry For Love.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:14 (two months ago) Permalink

The ones you need🕸.

I don’t know Songs for Drella that well but I know it doesn’t belong on this list.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 00:23 (two months ago) Permalink

Yo La covered "Hanky Panky Nohow" *and* "Andalucia," which is pretty cool. Paul Kelly did a lovely cover of "Buffalo Ballet" that makes me wonder why more people don't cover John Cale.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:04 (two months ago) Permalink

Btw, it's getting to the point where every time a dormant thread pops up I assume the person is dead when really I should start assuming it's a Soto list.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:07 (two months ago) Permalink

I heard Paul Kelly's cover before the original, it's close but I still prefer Paul's version.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Cale has a rare ability to be equally convincing in crazed punk mode as well as evocative wide-screen mode a-la "Buffalo Ballet"

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:11 (two months ago) Permalink

Btw, it's getting to the point where every time a dormant thread pops up I assume the person is dead when really I should start assuming it's a Soto list.

Soto lists always come in threes.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:13 (two months ago) Permalink

like my dates!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:54 (two months ago) Permalink

lol. have to listen to Fear again, but I love Paris 1919

Dan S, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Don't sleep on Tyler's excellent Unreleased Cale comp on his blog!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 04:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Hedda Gabler had a very funny face

velko, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 06:58 (two months ago) Permalink

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