Deftones: Underrated?

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I've spent the last few hours scouring the net for reviews of Deftones albums, only to find that most reviewers don't seem to take the time to really listen to the albums in their own right, ignoring the deliberate and painstakingly crafted sound scape, only to lump them in with "nu-metal" (a label they spit out with heavy disdain) Is there more to Deftones than simply who they hung out with when they first started? Are they a band that will be name checked by future innovaters? Can we blame them for emo? Should they go on if bass player Chi, in a coma since an auto accident in early November, never recovers? Am I the only one who even cares?

divorcedalcoholicloser, Monday, 2 March 2009 02:05 (twelve years ago) link

Deftones are pretty good, man...Spin did make the switch around 2001 from characterizing them as nu-metal loseurs to calling them the Smashing Pumpkins of the genre...theyre not the best but they have some undeniably good songs...

they dont know bout us and theyve never heard of drugs (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 2 March 2009 04:32 (twelve years ago) link

I like them a lot and White Pony has to be one of the best rock albums of the decade.

Chris in Belfast, Monday, 2 March 2009 14:15 (twelve years ago) link

there we have it.

they dont know bout us and theyve never heard of drugs (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 11:06 (twelve years ago) link

yes, i would say they are probably the most underrated band of the last 10 years or so.

simon peggle (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:04 (twelve years ago) link

They do have a really great drummer.

Wax Cat, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

I feel this. I put on White Pony once a year or something just for nostalgia and end up getting really excited

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

saturday nite wrist is pretty good i listened to that a couple weeks ago

simon peggle (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

I started this thread because I wanted to hear other peoples opinions about our boys and I couldn't really find that many reviews online. I myself have been an obsessive fan for a good ten years and wonder how anyone could not think they're amazing. Each album progresses from the previous in a way that's an unexpected direction, but one that totally makes sense Their production is thick and awesome. What's not to like?

divorcedalcoholicloser, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

thick production

cutty, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

Street Carp is one of my 100 favourite songs ever

they dont know bout us and theyve never heard of drugs (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

I literally can't listen to anything they've ever done except White Pony which is easily top 50 records of the decade.

c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

i guess i could literally listen, but i don't want to

c♜lyn dodgers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

also, that really sux about Chi Cheng...I hope he's okay.

they dont know bout us and theyve never heard of drugs (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

white pony is great

nine months pass...

^^^^yup, great record

cozwn, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

indeed.

m the g, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:07 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think Whiney should pass up on Saturday Night Wrist if he digs White Pony so much.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 21:51 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't knowingly heard anything this band has done, but I like to mispronounce their name as "Deft Ones."

Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 22:07 (eleven years ago) link

yeah sat nite wrist is really good

jealous ones sb (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 22:08 (eleven years ago) link

^

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 22:22 (eleven years ago) link

i always wrote this band off as lame and couldn't tell the difference b/w them and Korn without ever actually paying real attention to them. ILX was actually the first place I read that they might have more merit, and that was mainly from UK people, where I think their critical reputation is higher than in the US. sadly I tend to associate popularity in this musical format as hand-in-hand with suckitude. I was wrong, White Pony is pretty great.

akm, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 23:27 (eleven years ago) link

wrist is hella patchy. the s/t is underrated.

Simon H., Wednesday, 16 December 2009 23:42 (eleven years ago) link

pink maggit came up on shuffle today. holy balls what a track.

crazy shituations (cutty), Friday, 18 December 2009 15:33 (eleven years ago) link

what are other albums tht sound like this?

cozwn, Friday, 18 December 2009 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

I always thought the Deftones were an indie rock band, possibly new wave-ish (which is to say that I guess I don't really have a clue what they sound like, but that's what their name looks like).

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 18 December 2009 15:35 (eleven years ago) link

they were basically like the radiohead of nu metal i guess

jealous ones sb (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 18 December 2009 16:07 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4MGwlZuAc

I love this song to pieces

Restless Genital Syndrome (HI DERE), Friday, 18 December 2009 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuNZGijfaZA

cozwn, Saturday, 19 December 2009 11:55 (eleven years ago) link

I have fond memories of 'shove it'

=皿= (dyao), Saturday, 19 December 2009 11:59 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

has anyone heard their latest, diamond eyes? i'm tempted to check it out, but i wanted to see if anyone else had first.

borntohula, Thursday, 25 March 2010 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, it's really good. I like it better than either of the two before it.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Thursday, 25 March 2010 01:16 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, after loving the first three, I was really let down by the last two. This one goes a long way toward winning me back.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 25 March 2010 02:38 (eleven years ago) link

Found the Team Sleep album at the Dollar Tree for - yep, you guessed it - a buck.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 25 March 2010 03:42 (eleven years ago) link

Diamond is fantastic; on my favs of the year so far. Basically splits the difference between S/T and Saturday Night Wrist.

Brian C, Thursday, 25 March 2010 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

*one of my.., that is

Brian C, Thursday, 25 March 2010 17:20 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of "overrated/underrated" discussions tbh but I think Deftones are simultaneously over and underrated, just by different populations.

My metalhead breathren were wont to dismiss them as Korn clones, which even when they did play a similar style, they definitely had their own personality. And less likely to check out albums like the s/t or White Pony.

However, being someone who liked both those albums, I can say that it never really went beyond a strong "like", not a "love". I think they do what they do well, but I've never heard anything of theirs that captivated me or took me to the next level.

So I guess I'm saying they're rated about right in my eyes.

Usain Bolt Cola (Cattle Grind), Thursday, 25 March 2010 23:08 (eleven years ago) link

I don't really think they sound that much like Korn...more like Pantera w/ Cure influences

don't let it rest on the President's desk (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 26 March 2010 13:25 (eleven years ago) link

Not that familiar with their stuff but I really enjoy the covers on their rarities comp

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 26 March 2010 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i can't stop listening to this new album. not sure if i love it, but theres clearly something i like about it.

borntohula, Friday, 2 April 2010 21:29 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

so, has anyone else heard the new one?

ksh, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 00:11 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Heard 'Back to Skooooohoool' (sic) tonight. Fuck, if that isn't the worst song of all time then christ knows what could be.

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 00:34 (eleven years ago) link

yeah but Street Carp is probably one of the best songs ever written...

huge part of my obsolescence (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 01:33 (eleven years ago) link

Am I the only one with a soft spot for "Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away)"?

"Change (In the House of Flies)" is my favourite song from White Pony.

Sundar, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 01:55 (eleven years ago) link

"back to school" is indeed bad but it was an alternate version of one of their songs which was tacked onto a "re-release" of White Pony:

"Back to School (Mini Maggit)" was released as both a single and as an EP package; the single was released shortly before the EP.

Vocalist Chino Moreno: "This album right here [the White Pony re-release] is not the album that we turned into the label. As far as we're concerned, the first edition was the record. Done. Then they talked us into re-releasing it with another song on it, and it's not like I'm against the song or whatever, but I liked the sequence we had when we first turned it in. When this version came out, a little part inside all of us felt like: 'Fuck! We just totally compromised.' And I know that a lot of our fans felt bad about it too."[1]

(latebloomer) (latebloomer), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 02:37 (eleven years ago) link

Am I the only one with a soft spot for "Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away)"

no way. that song is great!

borntohula, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 02:46 (eleven years ago) link

that's a good one but I like My Own Summer (Shove It) a little more

huge part of my obsolescence (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 03:20 (eleven years ago) link

i played guitar in a band in high school that covered deftones, metallica, etc... we played at our senior class party thing and opened with my own summer. i broke my low e string almost immediately :(

Billy Crystals (another al3x), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 03:52 (eleven years ago) link

i've heard the new album once, not enough of an opinion to cast judgment on it yet

regarding "white pony." if i've ever needed an album to remind me of where i was musically/emotionally that year as an upstate high-schooler involved only with what was heard on FM radio, that album is it

Bastards of Young Dro, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 04:09 (eleven years ago) link

"back to school" is indeed bad but it was an alternate version of one of their songs which was tacked onto a "re-release" of White Pony:

"Back to School (Mini Maggit)" was released as both a single and as an EP package; the single was released shortly before the EP.

Vocalist Chino Moreno: "This album right here [the White Pony re-release] is not the album that we turned into the label. As far as we're concerned, the first edition was the record. Done. Then they talked us into re-releasing it with another song on it, and it's not like I'm against the song or whatever, but I liked the sequence we had when we first turned it in. When this version came out, a little part inside all of us felt like: 'Fuck! We just totally compromised.' And I know that a lot of our fans felt bad about it too."[1]

― (latebloomer) (latebloomer)

That's such a fucking lame excuse. If they were truly awesome they wouldn't mind whatever song the label picked as a single. Stop creating music that makes you feel ashamed.

Moka, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 06:06 (eleven years ago) link

anti-vaxxer shit is for some reason extremely seductive, i know a few people who should know better who parrot that shit and it’s hard to peel them away from it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 13 November 2020 14:56 (eight months ago) link

stef’s “i’ve never gotten sick so illness must come from the mind” line is v familiar to me too lol

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 13 November 2020 14:59 (eight months ago) link

i think the shinoda remix rocks btw simon, he turned it into a sayonara wild hearts song (arguably this is also what purity ring did to "knife prty")

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 13 November 2020 16:53 (eight months ago) link

i watched you change
into a chemtrail

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 November 2020 17:06 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTxKkYDw704

genuinely awesome

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:00 (eight months ago) link

I was hoping for a full on Smith vocal but this is a nice enough tweak

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:47 (eight months ago) link

yeah this rules

DJP, Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:51 (eight months ago) link

caroline polachek and chino moreno, together at last

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9UIjKtjjPQ

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:28 (seven months ago) link

makes sense to me, i always imagined her vox as a reference chino in that track

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 9 December 2020 18:10 (seven months ago) link

lmao the blanck mass remix of "elite" is fucking perfect

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 December 2020 17:25 (seven months ago) link

lmao the squarepusher remix kinda goes!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:04 (seven months ago) link

i will say i found the clams casino remix underwhelming and the dj shadow mix whelming but everything else here is various kind of successful i think

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:07 (seven months ago) link

clams casino worked for me as a low key intro

I know there's not a lot of competition for rock remix records but this is already one of the best a few songs in

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:16 (seven months ago) link

so far the approach seems to be "keep the vibe, change the sonics"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:17 (seven months ago) link

for a couple of the acts this is close to the best thing they've ever released lol

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:19 (seven months ago) link

phantogram brought their A game goddamn!

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:30 (seven months ago) link

this really must have been genuinely mastered like an album and not just as a discrete set of remixes

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:51 (seven months ago) link

squarepusher fucking killed it! too many cooks ass remix

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:59 (seven months ago) link

I love how predictably OTT the Squarepusher remix is.

braised cod, Thursday, 10 December 2020 23:15 (seven months ago) link

it goes so many directions then returns home, awesome

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 23:21 (seven months ago) link

I think maybe squarepusher submitted a 7 minute remix and then they added the outro

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 23:44 (seven months ago) link

phantogram brought their A game goddamn!

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, December 10, 2020 3:30 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah this remix is so good

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 00:10 (seven months ago) link

[24 hours pass] the phantogram remix is SO GOOD

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 23:36 (seven months ago) link

I really love this whole thing.

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:11 (seven months ago) link

I struggle to think of another rock remix album put together with this much obvious care

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:20 (seven months ago) link

silent alarm remixed

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:24 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiY67wIOIw0

also i love this video. i mean, the original "change" is one of my favorite music videos ever

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:25 (seven months ago) link

the silent alarm one is good but not as....albumlike

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:28 (seven months ago) link

the Tourist remix is so great

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:30 (seven months ago) link

yes! i think i recommended black stallion to tim f mostly bc i want him to hear the tourist remix

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:31 (seven months ago) link

oh my god I just noticed....... "push back the square"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:33 (seven months ago) link

lol

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:34 (seven months ago) link

he really did too

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:36 (seven months ago) link

squarepusher pushes the square back so hard on that remix

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:36 (seven months ago) link

the Shadow one has grown on me a lot, Shinoda and Trevor Jackson are my "just OK" ones

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:41 (seven months ago) link

i do not understand the trevor jackson one. love the shinoda at this point

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:47 (seven months ago) link

I think for the Trevor Jackson one to make sense you need to get "member of Deftones" level blazed

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:50 (seven months ago) link

i'm trying so hard

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:50 (seven months ago) link

salva remix of "rx queen" is like... almost unpleasant? yet i always end up liking it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:51 (seven months ago) link

haha I got pretty stoned on my first couple listens, it really jumped out at me as being, after the intro, three three-song "suites" (active trio, chill trio, active trio) with squarepusher as the fireworks at the end

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:53 (seven months ago) link

speaking of stoned I wonder if they tried calling dean blunt

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:55 (seven months ago) link

just spun Ohms. Awesomeeeee

DT, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 12:05 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

really loving Pittura Infamante atm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-rCTvo604

a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 00:53 (six months ago) link

five months pass...

that's sick!

I want full boutique remix versions of all the albums now tbh

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 23:32 (one month ago) link

I just barely talked myself out of $20 for a two-track picture disc on RSD. How's the Arca mix on the flip side?

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 17 June 2021 04:51 (one month ago) link

the visuals on the youtube made the rest of this thread trip out to my eyes briefly!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 17 June 2021 05:19 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

Is their current US tour w/ Gojira on or not? I've seen conflicting reports.

BlackIronPrison, Saturday, 17 July 2021 00:04 (two weeks ago) link

Postponed till 2022.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 17 July 2021 00:23 (two weeks ago) link


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