Cosey Fanni Tutti: Classic or Dud?

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lady die, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Not as good as Don Juan but better then the magic flute.

anthony, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

That's not even a joke, is it?

Greg, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I thought that

maryann, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

doesn't anyone wanna talk about cosey? oh man, rude! she is so classic!

lady die, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Chris & Cosey play live @ this electronic musick festival waaaay back in the 1980's. It was awesome. Cosey had the cut-down guitar as seen on thee kover ov "Thee Psychic Sacrifice" by Throbbing Gristle, and she played her cornet as well. Chris Carter manipulated these ultra-heavy beats. As they performed, they showed a film, which consisted of "L'Age D'Or" intercut w/porno made by & featuring Cosey. Total head-fck from beginning to end. Cosey = rox0r!

|\|0|2/|\4|\| |=4'/, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
I came across this site when searching for TG material. My opinion on Cosey is she influenced a lot of of Musicians and Artists "me for one" The style of clothing she wore in 1976 would come back in the early 80s with the Goth scene "you will see what I mean if you look at the inner sleeve of 2nd annual report"

She and Chris seeems like nice enough people who allways reply to emails, but I never had the chance of meeting them.

Cosey is not a dud she is a classic, TG invented Industrial music which has now moved into trance/techno.

I hope this has helped?

Thanks IAN.

IAN, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

lol we don't even have a christ & cosey thread? fuck ILM

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 December 2007 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

ha, I said "christ"

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 December 2007 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

anyway thx to Matmos for recommending heartbeat on emusic, I would've had no idea where to start otherwise. color me dumb for associating all throbbing gristle side/solo work with the annoying sound of orridge shouting incomprehensibly into a long delay

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 December 2007 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.chicagoreader.com/hitsville/hp030613.jpg

Oilyrags, Monday, 31 December 2007 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Chris and Cosey, CTI, Chris Carter solo, there's tons of great stuff in there. Just remember Chris was responsible for all the pretty arpeggiating synth stuff on the TG albums...Hot on the Heels of Love is essentially proto-Chris and Cosey.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i will never forget the day i found "techno primitiv" in a brooklyn stoop sale for $1, not their best album but still fantastic

chris and cosey rock!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Echoing the Chris/Cosey love, though their work is definitely the least I know out of all the non-TG TG work. Not entirely sure about the dawn of the nineties stuff but I seem to remember some good tracks.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

almost all awesome.

There is a TG spinoff S/D thread but almost nothing about C&C.

Heartbeat: rough, raw, a little undeveloped, but more aggressive than almost anything else by them.

Trance: fully blown classic, lots of cornet, great sounding record with more atmosphere than tunes.

Songs Of Love And Lust: initial pop sounds surface, some great songs on here. The one I know least well of the early ones.

European Rendezvous: essential live document (as CTI) of tour with Glenn Wallis (Konstruktivits), truncated for release on Collectiv 2 CD.

Elemental 7: another great live CTI LP, more atmosphere and spaciness whereas Rendezvous has the tunes. Also truncated for release on Collectiv 2.

Collectiv 1: CD compilation of two great singles as CTI ("Hammer House" is my favorite C&C track), along with Carter's first solo LP which is just OK.

Techno Primitiv: The most pop yet, another great one.

Take Five/Exotica/Rise: Nettwerk-era slump, but still worthwhile.

Core: neato collaborative LP with Coil, Robert Wyatt, others.

then I lost track until the Union CD, a really good live disc from 2000 or so. Really really want to hear the Carter Tutti CDs, I suspect they will be among my favorite releases from the past few years.

Also, I saw them at the Metro in Chicago once and they blew SPK off the stage.

sleeve, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe I should have put that on ILM.

sleeve, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

and I need a thesaurus.

sleeve, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I came across this site when searching for TG material. My opinion on Cosey is she influenced a lot of of Musicians and Artists "me for one" The style of clothing she wore in 1976 would come back in the early 80s with the Goth scene "you will see what I mean if you look at the inner sleeve of 2nd annual report"
She and Chris seeems like nice enough people who allways reply to emails, but I never had the chance of meeting them.

Cosey is not a dud she is a classic, TG invented Industrial music which has now moved into trance/techno.

I hope this has helped?

Thanks IAN.

rio (r1o natsume), Friday, 27 February 2009 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

anyway. can't believe there isn't a chris & cosey thread on here. the more i think about it, the more i realise they were probably the best post-tg spinoff, at least during the 80s. first three albums are beyond classic, and what i've heard of the wax trax stuff sounds great. songs of love and lust bridges the gap between 70s german synth minimalism and 80s techno-pop better than anything else i've heard from that era, in fact i can't think of any synth-pop groups around that time that were really rocking arpeggiators outside of italo. but yeah, just perfect synth programming and sound design, and cosey's voice is amazing.

rio (r1o natsume), Friday, 27 February 2009 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

how are the two chris carter solo albums? the one on industrial and the later one... mondo beat? i remember hearing a track from mondo beat on a beats in space mix and it sounding fantastic

rio (r1o natsume), Friday, 27 February 2009 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

can a mod move this to ilm please?

rio (r1o natsume), Friday, 27 February 2009 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I was the DJ on Beats in Space who played that.The first one, The Space Between, is awesome. I don't have the second, just that track on mp3.

dan selzer, Friday, 27 February 2009 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

The Space Between is a classic, mondo beat is pretty good, actually, all the Rough Trade releases are classic.

Chris and Cosey are two of the nicest down to earth peeps in the independent music scene.... had the opportunity to meet them some years ago, and spent the afternoon at their house/studio...

Haven't heard much of their recent stuff though..

Jack Battery-Pack, Friday, 27 February 2009 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Chris and Cosey are two of the nicest down to earth peeps in the independent music scene.

will second that. i released a c&c record many moons ago and they were a total joy to work with. i even made it onto their christmas card list for a few years!

stirmonster, Friday, 27 February 2009 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link

which record was that?

Jack Battery-Pack, Friday, 27 February 2009 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link

"twist"

http://www.discogs.com/Chris-Cosey-Twist/release/67603

stirmonster, Friday, 27 February 2009 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I had that one... Didn't you used to run Pi recordings as well?

Jack Battery-Pack, Friday, 27 February 2009 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link

i did. the last release was around 1997.

stirmonster, Friday, 27 February 2009 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link

aha... i used to get promos and stuff from jillmingo as she was doing cnc's press at the time... wonder what happened to her...

Jack Battery-Pack, Friday, 27 February 2009 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link

...funnily enough i now run another record label with her.

http://www.optimo.co.uk/music/

stirmonster, Friday, 27 February 2009 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I like the Christ & Cosey idea.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 27 February 2009 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

how is this not a picture thread?

That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon. (contenderizer), Friday, 27 February 2009 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

NSFW

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 27 February 2009 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link

C&C remix of 3xc3pt3r on the way...

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 27 February 2009 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link

np "AB/7A". chris carter is the fucking man

rio (r1o natsume), Friday, 6 March 2009 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Someone please send a link to some of her porns?

Nate Carson, Friday, 6 March 2009 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

You sure this isn't a thread about the album where Squeeze tried to sound like Paul Young for one album? :)

Geir Hongro, Friday, 6 March 2009 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I've always thought October Love Song was fantastic. I'm puzzled as to why I'm not more familiar with the rest of their career by now. It seems like they kindof get overlooked in post-punk circles.

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 6 March 2009 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Dirty Cosey pics.

http://sickness-abounds.blogspot.com/2008/09/carter-tutti-you-are-hear-live-11104.html

Alex in SF, Friday, 6 March 2009 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link

"I've always thought October Love Song was fantastic. I'm puzzled as to why I'm not more familiar with the rest of their career by now. It seems like they kindof get overlooked in post-punk circles.

― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, March 6, 2009 7:13 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark"

maybe because they have nothing to do with "post-punk"

rio (r1o natsume), Friday, 6 March 2009 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

depends how you're willing to define post-punk, but no, I don't think they're generally overlooked.

Andrew Weatherall included them on 9 O'clock Drop, a comp that was pretty influential in the more recent "post-punk" revival, and they generally rate very high in techno, electro and industrial circles.

dan selzer, Friday, 6 March 2009 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

C&C remix of 3xc3pt3r on the way...

― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, February 27, 2009 7:28 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

just read that it's a remix of "shots ring", my favourite song from debt dept. definitely excited to hear this. when is it coming out?

rio (r1o natsume), Sunday, 29 March 2009 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

coming out on RVNG (see last para). with jim thirwell remix too!

prince of PLURsia (haitch), Monday, 30 March 2009 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link

From the "Bimble Rules" thread:

his indifference towards chris & cosey is frankly unforgivable, but otherwise he seems like a dude with excellent taste

― rio (r1o natsume), Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:43 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark

I'll have you know I was perturbed by this and I'm trying to make up for it now. I've got Heartbeat & Trance downloaded and am listening now. Thank you.

Is It Goth Enough For You? (Bimble), Monday, 30 March 2009 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link

oh god i love these folks... need to find a copy of technoprimitiv once i have $$ again.

winstonian (winston), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

chris carter - the space between is so fucking good. someone needs to reissue this album on vinyl so i can play "solidit" out.

rio (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

there's something so joyous and playful about chris carter's production that wasn't really present in throbbing gristle ("AB/7A" and "walkabout" notwithstanding) and is only barely present in chris and cosey. even the darker more aggressive tracks have this kind of wide-eyed energy.

rio (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link

i think chris carter is one of my all time favourite electronic music producers. he is a god.

rio (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link

chris carter - the space between is so fucking good. someone needs to reissue this album on vinyl so i can play "solidit" out.

funnily enough, i have been thinking the same thing recently. maybe i'll look into it.

i think chris carter is one of my all time favourite electronic music producers. he is a god.

absolutely, 100% agree with this statement. definitely, a god.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Picked up Spaces Between on a visit to London last week - the last copy in Sister Ray - I think they said they got 7 copies originally..

the vinyl sounds incredible - the bass is insane! Chris did an amazing job with the remastering..

Any chance of more spaces between coming any time Keith?

Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

it sounds incredible. such a great job all round

"climbing" isn't what i expected at all. the beat is completely insane, like proto-dubstep or something. really cool

lao gan ma (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 17:48 (eleven years ago) link

Any chance of more spaces between coming any time Keith?

i wish i had been able to do a double to begin with but it just wasn't an option. there is a possibility if this does well (pre sale has been v. good) that there will be a second volume.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 23:18 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...
one month passes...

pissed i didn't get tickets for this now!

Crackle Box, Friday, 4 February 2011 14:55 (eleven years ago) link

was SO good.

stirmonster, Saturday, 5 February 2011 11:29 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

Back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvj6Y5UjQVg

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:56 (nine years ago) link

already pre-ordered ;)

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:36 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...

C&C chatting and playing TG rarities on WFMU in 18 minutes:

http://wfmu.org/playlists/AE

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:41 (eight years ago) link

cool, thanks

sleeve, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:53 (eight years ago) link

tuned in!

sext of light (get bent), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:59 (eight years ago) link

Listened for a while, then the stream died.

Can One Hear the Shape of a Ron Decline Bottle? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 03:29 (eight years ago) link

I listened, and I'm going to the Chicago gig

stoked

the tune was space, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 03:47 (eight years ago) link

jealous!

I saw them at the Metro in 1987 and they were really great

sleeve, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 16:23 (eight years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Still bummed I didn't get to see them, but they've been recording these new/live versions so there's something to look forward to:Chris Carter and Cosey Fanny Tutti will release Carter Tutti Plays Chris & Cosey on February 17th, 2015

willem, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 16:50 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

I've been (skim) reading her autobiography/memoir, which I don't think is even out yet. It's fascinating up until when TG reform, then it's just a bunch of boring old rock musicians bitching and kvetching about boring old rock subjects like management, money, recording etc. Gen is the absolute villain of the book, a terrible man, terrible man - that's according, not only to Cosey, though she has most cause, but Chris, Sleazy and most people who crossed his path - if the book is to believed, that is.

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 09:19 (five years ago) link

So, is that them on the cover of the UFO album, "Force it" or wot?

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:09 (five years ago) link

have an irrational dislike of chris/cosey ever since they beefed with thighps <3

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:12 (five years ago) link

Hadn't heard about that, what was the beef about?

heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:21 (five years ago) link

Answering my own question:

https://twitter.com/coseyfannitutti/status/607629459785674752

Although if what she said was true (and I have no reason to doubt her) surely it's Thighpaulsandra you should be disliking?

heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:42 (five years ago) link

in matters such as this i basically think 'ok, who was closer to the artist in question', and trust them

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:53 (five years ago) link

also thighpaulsandra is 10x the musician of any of the surviving hidden reverse crew

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:53 (five years ago) link

Was tickled by the fact that Cosey fancied Gen because he looked like the lead singer of Quintessence. Not that she fancied him that much, certainly not with the intensity induced by the pert buttocks of Chris Carter.

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:12 (five years ago) link

And then there's Chris and Cosey's friendship with Frank Warren. You couldn't make it up.

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:19 (five years ago) link

I think you'll find Chris and Cosey were members of TG, and as such had more of a right to TG archives than Thighpaulsandra ever did. Plus, has he denied selling stuff? If not, then it's a question of fact, not one of trust.

Plus, the idea that Thighpaulsandra is 10x Chris & Cosey as musicians is wtf.

heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:38 (five years ago) link

Trust the judgement, I mean

While they were ex-members, wasn't there a huge falling-out?

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:41 (five years ago) link

You mean because Gen was allowing all and sundry to put out TG product without the permission of the rest of the band, and from which they received no financial gain?

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 13:44 (five years ago) link

I know what you meant but it's a stretch to say that Thighpaulsandra's judgement on what to do with TG archival material should be trusted merely because he was closer to Sleazy than C&C were at the time (if indeed that is the case)

xp

heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:01 (five years ago) link

Reading interviews with TPS I'd say it's very likely that he and Sleazy were close right up until his death, but there's also talk of unpaid debts that he's now evening-out. I don't know. It's all a sordid business when money and legacy gets involved. I do think it's possible to over-venerate the objects of artistic creation.

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:07 (five years ago) link

I've got the book preordered but it's not out for a couple weeks here, I think.

Seeing C&C perform a few years back was a great experience, and I hope I get the experience to see them with Nik Void at some point. Probably something I should prioritize, if the opportunity arises.

I came to the realization after reading a few interviews that Chris & Cosey are nearly exactly my parents' ages, which is a bit of a weird perspective

mh 😏, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:17 (five years ago) link

C & C never fell out with Sleazy and were in contact with him hours before he died - he'd emailed them to rant and rave about Gen's latest shenanigans.

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:22 (five years ago) link

exactly

imago, selling Coil's master tapes to the highest bidder on eBay for personal gain is total bullshit, full stop, take off yr fucking rose colored prog-snob glasses

sleeve, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:23 (five years ago) link

"better musician", fuck off with that

sleeve, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:24 (five years ago) link

what C&C should I listen to to challenge that notion?

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:29 (five years ago) link

any of it

heaven parker (anagram), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 14:33 (five years ago) link

Had the Coil tapes not been 'baked' and transferred (and thus not actually useable as media any more)? IRDK but that was my understanding. Maybe people were still upset.

Imago - try Re-Education Through Labour, Driving Blind & CC's The Space Between album.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 15:53 (five years ago) link

Stick to what you know

a but (brimstead), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:24 (five years ago) link

Let's get back to the important stuff,

"I had begun to fall for Gen. My attraction was partly influenced by my crush on Phil 'Shiva' Jones, of the band Quintessence. Gen had a similar pretty 'Indian Prince' look."

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:55 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Purely based on looks, Lesley Sharp could play CFT.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 31 January 2020 10:47 (two years ago) link

will watch

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Friday, 31 January 2020 16:15 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

Big Cosey fan but found her book surprisingly dull. The last third - the tedious TG reunion stuff - in particular is a major slog

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 12:09 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

MY NEW BOOK!!! Was out in the garden when this proof was delivered. WOW! 2 years of writing. ⁦available August. @FaberBooks⁩ ⁦@hannahknowl3s⁩ ⁦@alexavh#deliaderbyshire #margerykempe pic.twitter.com/BnK079iaD4

— Cosey Fanni Tutti (@coseyfannitutti) April 14, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 14 April 2022 15:04 (two months ago) link

cool, I'm listening to Carter Tutti right now

thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 14 April 2022 15:21 (two months ago) link

i was just listening to C&C's Heartbeat

looking forward to this. i'm hopefully going to do a Q&A with Cosey when it comes out.

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 April 2022 17:07 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua2J2cengE0

Maresn3st, Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:36 (three weeks ago) link

thank you so much, I saw this tour!

thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 9 June 2022 17:19 (three weeks ago) link

Wooo-ha! Thanks for the link!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 9 June 2022 18:13 (three weeks ago) link

Thanks! I'm still sad that there was no demand to see them play in the UK in this era and they only ever played North America or mainland Europe.

It felt like every second gig i went to back then there was some "shock / gore" footage being shown but i'm still a little surprised they were rocking the texas chainsaw massacre footage.

i'd love to know what was in CC's flightcase.

stirmonster, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:49 (three weeks ago) link

Thought the revive would have been about Cosey's new book:

https://www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571362189-re-sisters/

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 20 June 2022 19:46 (one week ago) link


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